tC: Like or Dislike?

[switchlanez]

Is it just me, or do I sense a negative vibe on this forum in regards to the tC? I'm sure some of you people have some unvoiced appreciation for the tC, but it's so much easier to talk trash about it on this board. I find that ironic because it, as the unofficial successor to the Celica (the Toyota that is most similar to the Celica), gets hated on more ofthen than not by Celica owners.

[I wanted to make this a poll, but my number of poll options says "Maximum: 0"]

[mike23w]

Like the look.
Hate that it's so common.

[Carbonized_GT]

its heavy, its fwd, its got the worst handling ive ever experienced before. and the engine runs out of breath after 4000rpms.

THE only thing going for it is its price.

[Royalcelica00]

good looks.. too common.. too heavy.. my gf wants one.. -_-

[Blue Bomber]

:moved:

Looks nice, good competitor to a regular Civic, but as a supposed successor to the Celica, it falls flat on its face.

[larryd]

I think a lot of people look down on it due to the fact that technically it is the Celica's replacement.

[Acct4me]

honestly, I just think it's boring. Can't find anything to really like about it. Performance isn't all the way there, looks are pretty dull, it's just another car, and nothing i'd buy.

[Zero]

Its tall. TALL!!! It has the stance of the Corolla and the Matrix.

When I was having my Tein S.tech springs installed a white tC was getting done with its spring install. As it rolled out by me, I noticed that it barely looked dropped. Sure the wheelwell gap shortened, but it still looked tall. :faint:

Price is very good though.

[emotart]

imo the only way that car looks half decent...

http://www.eautoworks.com/productimages/pic23994.jpg

The Full Kam Kit...Yes the motor is bigger then the celica and it has more potenial because of that...but c'mon

[switchlanez]

true they are getting VERY commonplace. yesterday i saw an azure blue, flint mica, and spectra blue with the oem kit. some of them were dropped with the optional 7-spoke enkeis and oem wing. that looked nice. yes, many females are driving those things.

when i test drove it, i noticed one thing it had over the celica. when you shut the door, there's that clean crisp thud you hear when you close the door of a lexus or even a supra. the celica doesn't have that sound deadening, i'm guessing for weight reduction purposes. but c'mon, the supra had that fit and finish, and Toyota reduced the crap out of its weight (hollow carpet fibers and bolt heads, aluminum hood, etc.). For the price we paid, the Celica should have had that thud and an aluminum hood to compensate for the weight. It's something small, but noticeable on a daily basis.

true it runs outta breath past 4k. but where does your needle sit for the majority of the time you drive your car? lower end torque on a daily basis would be fun. i rarely race, so i don't have as many opportunities to enjoy lift and the top end of our high compression engines.

i was on a waiting list to get one in summer '04. weeks passed and news of the end of the US celica came out. i changed my mind from tC to celica the instant i found out. i almost bought a tC which i would have later on regretted. one of the best strokes of luck i've had in my life.

[switchlanez]

if the tC were a cute and classy girlfriend, the Celica would be the HOT one with less refinement but more brains to match. and she wouldn't be so intimidatingly hot that you'd have to worry about her cheating on you. because she's a reliable toyota. that's why i got lucky being put on that waiting list before committing myself to the cute one. :crazy2:

[CeliChick2003]

I think it's cool from a daily driver aspect, just not as much fun as my car. With a few appearance mods I think it looks pretty good too. The only thing I hate about it is the constant squeaking from the back end.

[Gas-n-Grease]

its not because i see it too often, its because its a sorry @ss "successor" of the celica. like many of us have said already, it handles like CRAP. i hate how it feels... very airy with no heart and spirit at all. toyota just made a cheap replica celica from other cars in its line up. suspension and chassis from the avensis and an engine from a CAMRY. how the hell do you call that quality R&D? only R&D that i see is the exterior. i can see why it appeals to primarily young people. looks sporty, but it doesn't have the heart and soul of a sport compact. sorry toyota, but this is a getting sad. "ZOOM-ZOOM" is now in my blood.

[vindiCAtor]

Looks nice, good competitor to a regular Civic, but as a supposed successor to the Celica, it falls flat on its face.
My sentiments exactly.

[PassedYa]

^^ That is the first TC i have seen with a kam kit. Looks amazing. I guess cause im not all about power, i really like the tc a lot. But i have to admitt when i test drove it, i could feel the weight and it was no where near as fun to drive as my celica.

[SOAPY]

My friend owns a white TC and lemme tell you just riding as a passenger in the car it feels like a freaken TANK! :laugh: I couldnt believe how much my friend had to slow down to make a right turn! It was dissapointing :ugh: He spouted all this hype about the car before he got it and when I finally got to see it myself I thought its okay looking but the ride felt sluggish. I think he should've got a base RSX for same price he got the TC, even with the amount of he put into it he could got a uesd Type-S. He even had the balls to say its the successor to my Celica :rofl: Sorry I really hate that car.

TC = TOTAL CRAP :puke:

[Carbonized_GT]

im not just saying what i said because of its "replacement" of the celica, but more because i owned one... a RS 1.0 tC #575. it was fun for about a week. the gearbox was very user friendly. but thats as far as it goes.

[techgeekwill]

im not talking trash about it, but.....

it looks good from the outside, i like the dash and console better than the celica, and that is it.

the rear seats are smaller than the celi's imho. the rear trunk is tiny. the performance is horrible. the tranny is slushy, the engine is too weak to carry the weight.

its FWD, not soo bad, but it handles like a crown vic.

i like it, its great for a freeway cruiser, but for a performance oriented its a no.

[LightningRod]

EXTERIOR: Looks okay. Kinda boring and not as agressive as our Celi's. The tC is too round and tall. :thumbdown:

INTERIOR: Better. Interior quality doesn't *seem* so cheap as ours. I like how the tach is to the right of the speedo, but I don't like how it's so darn small. The shifter feels nice, as well as the auto up/down driver AND passenger windows. :thumbup:

ENGINE: The low-end torque is very noticable and very convenient, especially in everyday driving. However, I agree with everyone who says that the engine sorta runs out of steam after 4000rpm. I feel a lot of pull the first couple thousand rpms, but after that there's barely any. :thumbup:/:thumbdown:

HANDLING: Compared to the Celica, the tC's handling is poor. You can definitely feel the extra weight, not to mention the FWD (understeer). :thumbdown:

COMFORT: The tC seems more comfortable than the Celica. The front seats are supportive, and to me, the rear seats seem much larger and spacious. They also recline! :thumbup:

OVERALL: I give the tC a :thumbup:. But I would rather have my Celi any day.

[2zzTahara]

I've posted this long ago, but it seems relevant to this thread:

Project Scion tC, by Aaron Bonk.

From Sport Compact Car Magazine Nov. 2005

[switchlanez]

i agree. performance-wise, it isn't there. but it's still a car that i like.

[marc]

ok . . .
fwd - nope
small, low output engine - nope
bubble exterior - nope

[LightningRod]

http://www.speedoption.com/articles/4941/?SpeedOptions=2e1

^^^ That about sums it up nicely. Are all Celica v. tC articles like this? I've yet to find one that actually favors the tC over the Celi.

[SOAPY]

The TC is a CAMRY...Nothing more :chuckles: Camrys are not meant to be a performance vehicles. Just like the TC. If they made the handling somewhat closer to the Celica's then maybe it would be considered "sporty". Even if you lower the car and add something to stiffen the TC it still doesnt come close to a stock Celica in handling. For what it is it's an okay car but I think trying to make it more performance oriented is a stupid idea. Besides TCs and Celicas are different cars.

TC = commuter car
Celica = "Sporty" car not a Sports car

[marc]

The TC is a CAMRY...Nothing more :chuckles: Camrys are not meant to be a performance vehicles. Just like the TC. If they made the handling somewhat closer to the Celica's then maybe it would be considered "sporty". Even if you lower the car and add something to stiffen the TC it still doesnt come close to a stock Celica in handling. For what it is it's an okay car but I think trying to make it more performance oriented is a stupid idea. Besides TCs and Celicas are different cars.

TC = commuter car
Celica = "Sporty" car not a Sports car

tC is slightly better than the Camry

A) Corolla engine, instead of wimpy Camry engine. Still low output piece of ****.
B) Has an independent rear suspension that toes in, from the Celica, not the solid rear axle like most Camrys have.

[SOAPY]

The TC is a CAMRY...Nothing more :chuckles: Camrys are not meant to be a performance vehicles. Just like the TC. If they made the handling somewhat closer to the Celica's then maybe it would be considered "sporty". Even if you lower the car and add something to stiffen the TC it still doesnt come close to a stock Celica in handling. For what it is it's an okay car but I think trying to make it more performance oriented is a stupid idea. Besides TCs and Celicas are different cars.

TC = commuter car
Celica = "Sporty" car not a Sports car

[LightningRod]

Double post!

[SOAPY]

^^wonder how that happen? :confused: oh well :D

[SOAPY]

tC is slightly better than the Camry

A) Corolla engine, instead of wimpy Camry engine. Still low output piece of ****.
B) Has an independent rear suspension that toes in, from the Celica, not the solid rear axle like most Camrys have.

Well I guess I better do more research in the future then :wiggle: I've been corrected :bowdown:

[switchlanez]

tC is slightly better than the Camry

A) Corolla engine, instead of wimpy Camry engine. Still low output piece of ****.
B) Has an independent rear suspension that toes in, from the Celica, not the solid rear axle like most Camrys have.

A) Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the tC have a 2.4L Camry engine? The Corolla engines are the 1ZZ-FE or 2ZZ-GE while the tC has a 160hp 163ft-lb (!) 2AZ-FE.
B) I haven't confirmed this, but TRDLiquidSilver (Rich) sells tC's and owns a gen1 IS3 and told me it shares the same suspension components as the gen1 IS3.

I meant to see your guys' opinions on how the tC stands as a vehicle on its own. I didn't intend to make this a performance/comparo thread, but I guess it was inevitable.

[SOAPY]

^^ I think it happen like that only cus alot people say the TC is the new Celica :faint: Especially TC owners! :laugh: Its stupid to call the TC a Celica. Its totally designed differently than any Celica made. Its designed more like a Corrolla or Camry. I just wonder when people will stop saying the TC is a Celica. :thumbdown One of these days my friend will get so ass happy bout his TC I'm just drop a bomb on him and tell his damn car is just a damn Corrolla/Camry not a Celica. :bang: Sorry I just hear so much from him about his TC and how he swears its the new Celica. It's ****ing annoying! :angry:

[LightningRod]

I hate how they're everywhere now. They've become too common. I see one of each color every single day. The tC is another cheap car (i.e. Civic, SRT-4, etc.) that ricers and wannabes will be ruining very soon.

[mindphunk]

The tC is another cheap car (i.e. Civic, SRT-4, etc.) that ricers and wannabes will be ruining very soon.

Have you been to Scionlife? It's like a board full of 140Gt's. I can't even look at the forum anymore because of the idiotic questions and posts. They list everything in their signature, including floormats, ipod radio, tint percentage, tyc taillights, etc. Who cares if you bought floor mats? I have a tC and I like the car, but the community is as ricey as a Cavalier forum.

[LightningRod]

Have you been to Scionlife? It's like a board full of 140Gt's. I can't even look at the forum anymore because of the idiotic questions and posts. They list everything in their signature, including floormats, ipod radio, tint percentage, tyc taillights, etc. Who cares if you bought floor mats? I have a tC and I like the car, but the community is as ricey as a Cavalier forum.

Yes I have. My buddy owns a tC and he's all into his car like it's the $hit (although I must admit it's pretty nice in it's own way) and he told me to go to the website. God I just wanted to slap everybody silly when I entered the forum, and I haven't been back since.

[SOAPY]

I just found out my friend bought a short ram air intake for his TC, :rofl: Oh God I'm never gonna hear the end of his TC ****. Its just a damn short ram intake! :gay:

[LightningRod]

I just found out my friend bought a short ram air intake for his TC, :rofl: Oh God I'm never gonna hear the end of his TC ****. Its just a damn short ram intake! :gay:

:werd:

Are they all like this? tC's breed the new generation of Civic ricers ... no offense mindphunk ...

[SOAPY]

I think a good percentage are RICERS in the TC community.... :lame: Its cus the car is cheap and scion is meant for more of the younger crowd anyway. I just didnt think my friend would fall prey to the scion bandwagon. Gotta love the TC commercial tho :laugh: Tricking all those ricers that the TC can powerslide like that so easily! :bs: Atleast they made the TC perfom better than in reality :thumbup:

[LightningRod]

I just didnt think my friend would fall prey to the scion bandwagon.

Ugh. People are in tC's cuz it's what's hip and trendy right now ... soon enough the trend will die ... it's so annoying seeing so many tC's everywhere!

[SOAPY]

^^I hope to god it dies soon seeing TCs everywhere is dissapointing cus all those kids who own think they're driving a race car are just stupid :faint: The TC is the new ricer trend sorry to say. Its a great car to get from point A to point B but thats it really :wiggle:

[LightningRod]

^^I hope to god it dies soon seeing TCs everywhere is dissapointing cus all those kids who own think they're driving a race car are just stupid :faint: The TC is the new ricer trend sorry to say. Its a great car to get from point A to point B but thats it really :wiggle:

That just about sums it up.

[mindphunk]

I still don't see alot of tC's here. There are too many Celica's here. I moved from a town where there was one other red Celica to a town where I would see 4 or five red on'es just on the way to work. I had a celica for almost 6 years, for me it was time to get something different.

[marc]

you're right I screwed up - the tC has the 2.4L Camry engine - its still a piece of ****.

[techgeekwill]

the tC is like a fat white trash ho wearin a tweety bird shirt.


-its curvy in all the wrong places
-it has a bubble but
-once its taken 4 steps it runs out of breath

(thats all i can think of, feel free to add more)

its an appealing car. its comfortable to drive as a daily driver, but as a performer, its not worth the time or money. i think it looks very good when tastefully customized.

[LightningRod]

its an appealing car. its comfortable to drive as a daily driver, but as a performer, its not worth the time or money. i think it looks very good when tastefully customized.

:werd:

In the hands of the right person, a tC can look great, it's just that most are in ricers' hands. My friend's tC actually looks very nice. It's like the only one that I like.

[TRD-CELICA-GT02]

I use to love the tC when it came out but damn I'm sick of seeing them on the road now. it has become your common Civic. I see it everywhere. I see literally like 10 plus tC's per day here in SoCal.

[SOAPY]

^^ I know how you feel

[air2thethrown]

Hey guys what's up. I'de like to take this moment to say this is just my opinion... lol

First of all, I think that the tC IS NOT a replacement of the celica. If anything the matrix took that spot because i wanted a matrix a long time ago and read somewhere that the matrix actually took sales from the celica consumers. Also, the corolla and the matrix now have the option of the XRS, aka the celica GT motor. Yes I know the tC came out and the celica left, but WHY did it leave...?

Don't hate on the tC because it's not fast compared to the celica. Scion as a whole was made to be affordable and personalized. That's what persuaded me into ordering one.

I read above posts that it's like a camry. To me, it's more of a smaller solara (the 2-door camry). Again, same 2.4L 4cyl. engine. It's just a simple daily driver as many already said.

I love celicas and I was really tore between the tC and the celica. I chose the tC because I have a '73 celica ST (with a GT transmission) ready for me to bring back to life.


BTW: techgeekwill, your DS sig is freakin' dope! hahah

[Carbonized_GT]

I wouldnt consider it a smaller solara. solara has the convertable option. leather option, and a much much better interior.

[techgeekwill]

I wouldnt consider it a smaller solara. solara has the convertable option. leather option, and a much much better interior.

:werd:

the solara is a big upgrade from the tC. the only thing they share is the 4cyl in base models.

true, the tC is an affordable car, but starting at $17k, you could buy a civic coupe with plenty of options and it would still be a faster, better car than the tC.

im not ragging on toyota or anything, but the scion line has been done wrong. the xA and xB are underpowered. they need a bigger engine, and it wouldnt have hurt to use a 1zz (at least in the xB) but instead they used the 1.5 echo motor which barely powers the car.

the tC as others have said is too heavy, i think partly from all the glass n the roof. its a good looking car, but thats about where the line is drawn.

back in 04, i had seriously considered buying an xB, i like the space and functionality and that it was so weird looking. but it is now a car for the masses, same with all scions.

scion brought a whole new meaning to rice.

[SOAPY]

^^Very true if Scion did a whole lot better with the develop of their 3 models I prolly would have more respect for them. I'm mean all three are lacking in different major areas Power, Weight, & Handling. Have you seen some superchargers for Scions? The size of my fist! :faint: "Check this out yo! I gots Blitz! 140hp yo!" :rofl: I heard that from a Xb owner....its sad really :chuckles:

[Carbonized_GT]

dont you love the sweet 10hp accessories? neon this... neon that. i mean cmon.

I wonder if the new yaris could fit a gts motor... hmmmmmm

[CeliChick2003]

scion brought a whole new meaning to rice.


Where this statement is true, they are still selling a lot of cars so they must be doing something right. You can't expect cheap cars to sell to really classy people and you cannot expect them to be putting 1zz motors in cheap xA's and xB's because then the cost would go up. As long as people buy it, then they are successful. I think Scion has done alright for theirselves personally.

[techgeekwill]

Where this statement is true, they are still selling a lot of cars so they must be doing something right. You can't expect cheap cars to sell to really classy people and you cannot expect them to be putting 1zz motors in cheap xA's and xB's because then the cost would go up. As long as people buy it, then they are successful. I think Scion has done alright for theirselves personally.


i dont think the cost would have really gone up that much, the corolla starts at $14K for a base ce, it may raise the price $500 at most, but im sure people would prefer a more powerful engine while getting the same or better mileage.

im still undecided on the whole brand. its a love/hate relationship. i love the prices/styling/options and value. but i also hate the styling and the drivetrains and other things about the cars.

if you look at who drives them, more than half the drivers are either older or female. not to be stereotypical, but they most likely bought them for styling/price/quality, not for customization. those who do buy them for performance usually end up ricing them as they are often times theyre first car.

i admit, toyota had to choose performance or price. when it came down to it, the cost effectiveness of a lower performance car is what won the coin toss.

all scions in my opinion are great daily drivers, which is what they were designed for overall, but offer little in performance potential with stock powertrains.

[SOAPY]

I talked to my friend who owns a TC last night. He's so stupid I told him how common his car is getting and tells its not that common at all man. Straight up denial! :rofl: Then started asking about the weight & handling problem with the car, and he started getting more & more ass hurt. It was kinda funny but at the same it was kinda screwed up what I said. I wish he wouldnt be sensitive about it tho. :( People always hate on my Celica but i dont care really. Its just a car...

[ahnjae]

...

[Alpha-Zero]

TC = a nice looking, weaker camry. 2.4L for an almost 3000lb car. nice suspension (wonder where they got that from?) but what's the point? that thing is too top heavy, panoramic roof.

I much prefer the Xa (except for that stupid center mounted gauge cluster) and think it's the best platform from Scion to start with if you're into performance.

[Carbonized_GT]

tc... nice suspension? that thing handles worse than a rav4.

[SOAPY]

^^ makes you wonder who would get a better times in an auto x The TC or RAV4 :rofl: I vote RAV4! :hide:

[Alpha-Zero]

tc... nice suspension? that thing handles worse than a rav4.

ever look at the tC's suspension? looks awful familiar if you've ever looked at your celica's suspension... :gayfight:

[Carbonized_GT]

that still doesnt change my opinion on its crappy handling.

[SOAPY]

Suspension is not the reason the car handlings like crap. its weighs almost as much as a WRX which is sad for a coupe especially a FWD coupe. If it is celica suspension thats why car the handles bad the suspension is not meant to handle the weight. Scion thought they could just stick in celica suspension and expect it to handle like a Celica! :faint: Idiots! of course not take off all that weight then maybe it'll handle like Celica. I doubt it tho! Scion is Crap... :rofl:

[Royalcelica00]

i test drove my neighbors tc (manual) onces... to tell the truth the interrior is more silent while driving.. but that put me to sleep.. celica are so much better to fun for long trips... and when u just want to go a lil faster... then i let him drive my car and hit lift now all he got on me is that his car has a nicer color paint, and the interrior =)


the thing i hate from scion owners is that they think thier car are so fast and powerfull, every scion tc i see will pull up next to my gts and floor it.. its sad after 3rd gear the only way ull see the tc is in one of ur mirros, and then they come back at u on the next light floored it again.........i dont even bother anymore just damn too many tcs in so-cal...

[jlitman]

Oh here's a freakin' apt comment from that Speed Options article...

Here's my take on it. Celica guy, I imagine, is a certifiably obsessed car nut. He's drawn to the Toyota's minimalist nature and high-revving engine, and repelled by the Scion's porkier curb weight. For him, every paycheck is another opportunity to modify his car, bringing it ever closer to that perfect state of tune. He's also got a quiet smugness about his car's rough ride and noisy cabin. When his buddies complain, he laughs and says, "Whatsamatter, too used to that big-ass boat you drive?"

[LightningRod]

^^ Sounds familiar ...
My buddy is getting his tC turbocharged within the next week or so ... Greddy ... we'll see how that goes.

[ScionSpd007]

Wow, lots of haters in this room baggin on the tC. Now, from my point, the celica is a great car, definitely looks a lot more aggressive and sporty like (especially with the sports package), but you can't really put down the tC. It is a very common car and yes there's a lot of idiots out there that are giving the tC a bad rep, but there are some others which u have to give props to. I haven't gone against a gts with manuel transmission, but can beat the gts auto and gt auto & manuel (depending on mods though too. stock yes, and even with intake and exhaust). Now i'm not saying my car is super fast, but even stock isn't slower than a civic unless u get the new Si's. There's pros and cons to the celica and tC but both have their weak and strong points. I respect the celica, but you can't really compare the two. My friend has a celica gts, and i love how it looks. Mainly just wanted to point out that they are both nice cars.

[LightningRod]

Hugo is that you?

[LightningRod]

Haha I'm in that picture! ^^^

[SOAPY]

Yeah I'll admit both cars have there weak points but I dont see the reason for modding a tC. People can tell me tC this and tC that but I still wont consider the tC a car with "POTENTIAL" because the engine is from a Camry and weighs almost as much as a WRX. If you read Jesse JL's and Boosted 2.0s posts about the tC's engine on this: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212859
Then you can can see why I wont consider it having "POTENTIAL". I'm not trying to steer up anything with anyone. I just wanna show why I feel this way about the tC.

Now if the tC had a V6, produced 200+hp and had a higher redline then it'll get my respect until that happens it'll just nice LOOKING freeway cruiser to me :wiggle:

[styphon]

im not ragging on toyota or anything, but the scion line has been done wrong. the xA and xB are underpowered. they need a bigger engine, and it wouldnt have hurt to use a 1zz (at least in the xB) but instead they used the 1.5 echo motor which barely powers the car.


I think you are missing the entire point of the scion line, it isn't so wannabe drag strip racers buy them, it is to capture the brand loyalty of the younger audience.

Do you think some 24 year old highschool teacher gives a crap about what engine is in the xB?? Do you think some 19 year old girl is upset that she could've an engine with more Horsepower on her "pretty" tC??

[SOAPY]

I think we all agree the scion line is directed toward a young crowd, but the majority of the younger crowd that buys scions think that their cars are "FAST" which is making scion owners look like complete asshats. :thumbdown If you look at it Scion is good Econo choice for buyers who want good looks and a decent price. Problem is kids buy them and try to make the into little rice burners to race every single car on the road :faint:

I think I said this a few times before but Its not the Scion its the majority of their owners that make Scion look like a bunch of RICERS :rolleyes:

[ScionSpd007]

i have a question for soapy, do u think ur car is faster than a stock tC?if so, what do u have done?

[getmadboy]

i have a question for soapy, do u think ur car is faster than a stock tC?if so, what do u have done?
haha agreed...stock tC is pretty quick. will probably beat a gt pending the mods and driver. the tC owns us in torque...even the 6-speed gts. top end is a different story though. i raced my friend's tC the other night in my '00 gts...i posted a quick "race" story in the racing stories forum. read it if you like...but as stated above, celica gt will probably get owned by tC. IMHO the gt isn't much different from a civic or integra ls....just more aggressive looking and better handling...just my .02

[Tc_BoI]

i mean yea ill admit, we cant hang with a GT-S. But stock for stock,a GT can't take out a TC. and we are int he same price range(GT is a bit over). My lightly modded TC has taken out a lightly modded GT easily.

I see all these comparisons of the TC to the GT-S. The tc runs at round 18K out the door. Celica GT-S runs at least wat 23-24k out the door. With the extra 6k we are saving, have you seen what a ZPI or Turbonetics Stage 1 is capable of. Yes, may not be as reliable, but it yields around 280-290 (claims to be 300 whp, but i doubt it).

Don't get me wrong, i was planning on getting a GT, but they discontinued it and I ride in my friend's GT-S sometimes and its a awesome car with a crazy redline, but i really think its unfair to compare a GT-S to a TC. Price wise,it is liek Comparing the GT-S to and EVO IX GSR. Around 6k price difference, so not fair to compare the two cars.

I think for under 20K the TC is the best car on the market performance wise, if u find a brand new car with an out the door price lemme know. maybe a mazda 3, but dont know wat they run out the door.


Maybe celica owners are upset that the TC took over the spot of the celica, and id be upset too, but our cars if set up right can yield alot of power.

This of course is my bias opinion haha since I am a TC owner, but its hard to see you guys bash our cars. With the little aftermakret support we have right now, some of our cars have come a long way.

[SOAPY]

i have a question for soapy, do u think ur car is faster than a stock tC?if so, what do u have done?

Just to Clarify guys I drive a GT and no my car is not "faster" than tC. I'm not gonna sit and tell you that my car is superior. I dont E-thug. :wiggle: In a drag race a tC would rape me real bad, but on twisty roads its a completely different story tho. Ok my whole problem is the engineering of the tC first its has low redline second it weighs WAY too much for the power the engine produces (cmon it weighs almost as much a WRX and that car only weighs that much cus of the drivetrain in the back also its a SEDAN) Third It handles like a TANK ( please dont say BS cus I have a friend who owns a tC and I've rode in it....It's a TANK)

I have respect for what you tC owners have done to the car because thats TIME & MONEY invested. I think we all know how it is when put alot work into something.

Also In No Way Am I Upset That The tC Took The Spot Of The Celica. It just means my Celica will become rarer to see on the roads compared to the commonality of the tC. I like being different guys :thumbup: Oh and price between the tC and GTS is because the 2ZZ is a engine built for performance. The 2AZ is not really meant for performance and also the GTS is more of a Road race, Auto-X car than a drag racer. Hell the the 7th gen Celica both GT & GTS are one the best handling FWD cars out there. Thats why a Celica cost more than a tC. Well I'm done now..... :piss:

[Tc_BoI]

true true, i know a celica will out perform me on the twisties, but it seems on here ppl r bashing alot more than the suspension and handling of the TC and thats wat i think is kinda wack.

I mean its a car forum and thats wat happens here, but im gonna defend my car cuz its as bad as some ppl on here make it seem. Other than it being common and heavy, for 18K out the door it is one of the better performing cars out there.

I shaved nearly 170 pounds off my car w/o losing anything too important in mycar. anyways haha i love the cellies of course and i love the TC jus didn;t think alot of wat was said about the TC is right (it doesnt handle horrible at all, just compared to the celica it does and ur homie probbaly running on stock craptenza tires, run on some toyo proxes that I have and let me know how it handles.)

[SOAPY]

Hey I understand why you guys are getting mad wit people bashing on your car and all. Just remember I have my views on things and you have your own views. Us Celi owners get hated on because we're not driving Civics or Integras so everyone gets hated on no matter what these days. :chuckles: Oh yeah my friends tC has some chassis stiffening on it now and a new air intake. He's not really into racing so I think he's gonna go the show route on his tC.

Another reason I'm not a fan of the tC is cus I'm more into canyon running and sprints not drag racing, but the tC has put down some decent numbers on the drag strip from what I've heard :cool:

[00gtsGETemHIGH]

tc > civic



i do like their sunroof thingymajigger

i love the fact that our celicas look like they're newer lol.. in a couple years the tc's will be like old school corollas and our celicas will still look new. no offence

same with rsx's, they'll just be a common integra in a year or two.

but hey, toyota knows that compared to the celica, tc's are crap, and that's why they're so cheap, and that's why they are selling so many. toyota needed competition for the CIVIC, the corollas didn't cut it, matrix's didn't fit right, and celicas were too expensive.

so.....the genious's at toyota made the slower,clumsy,fat,tall, but CHEAP TC
but you know what.......theyre pretty damn ok for a 14k car base

sucks that tc's are steeling toyotas aftermarket support which celis lack esp since theyre discont.d

lets just say.....


honda vs toyota

civiv vs tc

rsx vs celicas

[oONoGoAutoOo]

i like the tc. its a nice car.

[ragingpaseo]

i don't know, the front reminds me of a volvo c70...don't hate the car, but it's just a 2 door camry in my opinion...

[00gtsGETemHIGH]

front looks like a knock off 3 series bmw.

[Nasty_impulse]

The looks starting to grow on me, maybe its because the really hot 18 yr. old next door just got one.I test drove one and it was disappointing it is alot heavier than it looks and the engine is crap past 4,000rpm.

[Tc_BoI]

yea the tc def doesnt compare to the celi on the canyon at all. Before i got new tires and tein springs, it was scray taking sharp turns in tht thing.

Suspension is something the TC needs alot of work in. But i Think with some mods, TC 's put it down pretty Decent on the STRIP.

I have mad respect for the GT-S, but when GT owners start bashing is when it gets to me lol. The GT is weak to be honest, sure it handles better, but in a strait away stock for stock with the TC, it can't hang and they even cost a little more.

Celicas do have that whole performance aspect about it while the TC has that show look, but our cars on the drag strip run decent.

The onyl civic i'd compare the TC to is the Older SI's power wise. Celica GT-S somewhat compare to the RSX(U guys have the weight advantage at least). I think Celica GT compares with base civics more power wise.

But yea I enjoy the TC, it has a combo of looks,decent power,and affordable. Only problem is that they are too common, which is why im thinking of selling for an IS 300.

ill admit a TC stock looks horrible. Id never drive tht shizz stock lol.

[SOAPY]

^^ I'm sure you'll be WAY more satisfied with the IS300. IMHO a GT & tC stock it would be a very close race. The winner would be the better driver in that race. You have to consider power to weight ratio also. Even tho the tC is bit more powerful than the GT it weighs ALOT more and that's deciding factor in any race.

[CatalepsicFox]

Just got reading at some people's opinions on here. I personally love both cars.... (tC and Celica. It's a matter of taste. Both cars are known as "chick cars" from where I live. tC is around 500 pounds heavier hence the bad handling some people had complained about. That's also another reason I ordered my TRD Shocks and Springs to improve my handling while still looking stock.

[elcelicagts]

well i just got back from dealer and will be ordering a manual flint mica 07 tc scion. they look nice, and the aftermarket for them just bitch slaps all of us celica owners, and laughs at our aftermarket. those engines can handle so much its not even funny.
5 g's for a trd charge from the dealer installed/guaranteed makes ya think, and for the same money you can get a turbo setup that would spank a gts.


handling,suspensions.... and everythig else just like our cars is upgradable to a better/superior performance level.

i love it, it will look good next to my gts in the carport. in the end no one should bash on them because a celica,and a tc are both still considered chick cars by many.

[Blue Bomber]

those engines can handle so much its not even funny.
5 g's for a trd charge from the dealer installed/guaranteed makes ya think, and for the same money you can get a turbo setup that would spank a gts.Considering MWR is making over 400whp on a stock internals 2ZZ, don't count on it. ;) On pump gas, no less. :AF: handling,suspensions.... and everythig else just like our cars is upgradable to a better/superior performance level.The suspension is upgradable, but the chassis is the bigger problem. Too tall, top heavy, and heavy overall compared to the Celica. You'd have to drop a lot more money into the tC than a Celica to get to the same level of handling.

[hkspeed]

hodgepodge of thoughts to what i've read above....

the tC is not a 2 door camry. the Solara is a 2 door camry. other than the engine/transmission, they have nothing in common. is the Celica a 2 door Matrix or Corolla?

the front suspension and brakes are similar to the last celica. celica springs will fit, but will slam it since the tC is heavier. my powerslot front brake kit is the same kit for the celica and matrix/vibe. tCs are also 5x100, 54.1 centerbore.

kaminari makes a fiberglass and carbon fiber roof to replace the glass roof, but that removes one of the best features of the car. maybe the long beach grand prix pro-celebrity race tCs had them. at $800 for the CF roof, i dont expect many to get one.

i do agree many tCs (actually Scions in general) have become excellent examples of rice.

the tC's handling isnt great, but neither is the Celica's. if you really care about FF handling, get an EG/EK/DC2 Honda.

Celica owners are lucky to have JDM support. although the tC is made in Japan, its not sold there. many tC owners talk about making their cars JDM...ridiculous.

tCs are popular because of the price, not their engineering. if it werent for the $16500 price tag, i would have bought a RSX Type S.

the 2azfe is a great engine. lots of low end torque (i guess thats good since the car is heavy). the low compression ratio makes it excellent for forced induction. Turbonetics claims a 100hp minimum gain for their kit on a bone stock tC. i havent heard of tC owners miss-shifting and blowing their engine, but GTS owners........

the TRD muffler for the tC is made by Walker (Dynomax mufflers), and has a 1-2hp gain. its just a fart can.

a Mazda3 "S" Touring has the same features and engine performance as the tC, but at about $2,000 more. my girlfriend just bought one. lower priced "I" models have less options/features and come with a 2.0 ("S" has the 2.3).

i've owned a st162 coupe, st165 all-trac, st205 hatchback, and a zz231 GTS.

[SOAPY]

kaminari makes a fiberglass and carbon fiber roof to replace the glass roof, but that removes one of the best features of the car. maybe the long beach grand prix pro-celebrity race tCs had them. at $800 for the CF roof, i dont expect many to get one.



^^ Oh yeah the Long Beach Grand Prix. Wasn't someone gonna post it on here awhile back?









So we could see a bunch of tCs slam into walls :chuckles:

[Joey03_VVT-I]

I own a 2003 Celica and a 2005 Tc! I like both cars but I will always love my Celica. When I drive my Tc it feels like Im driving a low-class BMW! Its cool cause it has nice features and has that nice tourque which is why some people who owns a Tc can think they could beat any other cars. Yes its true that it does have bad handles. Bottom line is that the Scion Tc is popular cause it has a cheap price and it has lots of cool aftermarket products. But when its all said and done I will always have more respect for my Celica and have more fun driving it!

[Carbonized_GT]

i've owned a st165 all-trac, st205 hatchback.


ST205 never made it to the US.

and why the hell did you give up your 'trac.

[SOAPY]

^^ yeah if I owned an all-trac I wouldn't give it up for sure....

On another note for last couple months we're getting more tC people here. I hope they didn't join this forum for the pure reason of defending the car. This is just my observation tho not trying to start anything again :thumbup:

[hkspeed]

ST205 never made it to the US.

and why the hell did you give up your 'trac.

sorry. i meant st202 (1997 base hatchback).

i traded the all-trac with a friend for his 93 sw20 turbo. i couldnt pass up the deal for a 93 turbo. of course I paid cash + my car.


On another note for last couple months we're getting more tC people here. I hope they didn't join this forum for the pure reason of defending the car. This is just my observation tho not trying to start anything again :thumbup:

maybe because newcelica.org created newscion.org
honda-tech.com created scion-tech.com
toyotalife.com starting scionlife.com. lol.


btw, you guys have some cool smilies. i love this one. lol. ---> :rimshot:

[SOAPY]

^^ ahh I see it makes sense now :laugh:

[elcelicagts]

i dont know, but i am very looking forward to getting the tc more than my girl is, and shes the one whos going to drive it. ill probably look into that stage 01 turbo down the road if its something reliable as a dayly driver with it on. since she will be driving it.

i still love my celica, and cant wait to fix that up.

[SOAPY]

One thing thats been on my mind. Most of the tC owners I've encountered really defend their cars if you start giving negative comments. I mean I understand theres alil pride behind what you drive but with a good portion of them are bordering on Civic fandom.

My question is:
Do you tC owners with some common sense give those tC fanboys a good REALITY CHECK on your scion forums like we do here at NC.org?

[Carbonized_GT]

My question is:
Do you tC owners with some common sense give those tC fanboys a good REALITY CHECK on your scion forums like we do here at NC.org?

After seeing and being a scion fanboy, NO.

[hkspeed]

most tC owners are young and new to modifying cars. they think two tone paint jobs and lambo doors are cool. they think Axis wheels, Megan racing, and Tsudo mufflers are high quality.

only a very small minority on tC owners have good taste and they (like me) dont bother posting much on the forums.

[SOAPY]

I see..... I guess the reality checks will be handed in a few years then

[Carbonized_GT]

I see..... I guess the reality checks will be handed in a few years then

Or when they finally ask, why do people laugh at me.

[SOAPY]

^^ :chuckles: "Why do peeps hate my t-SIZZLE yO? I dont get this ****. I thought I'd get mad pRoPz cus my ride's hElLa FAST!"

^^:laugh: this gonna some people upset.

[Carbonized_GT]

:chuckles:

[CeliChick2003]

For the TC owners, what kind of gas mileage do you guys get? I would consider a tc as a commuter car as it has a lot of cool stock features and has decent torque.

[Joey03_VVT-I]

I dont know about exactly how much miles per gallon it is. But I drive my Tc and its a F***N Gas eater! Cause its got a bigger engine and I love flooring it! Hahaha....

[CeliChick2003]

Hehe yeah, I saw on scions site it was 20/27 mpg or something like that. That's crazy since I've gotten 35mpg in my Celica. I'm sure it's because they have more torque down low so it eats more gas. I think I'll just stick with the Celi and ride in style, hehe. Only problem is that I don't want to put too many miles on it.

[mindphunk]

I'm not filling up anymore now than when I had my GTS. In fact, gas is cheaper because it only requires regular.

[Blue Bomber]

Slightly more expensive to fuel a tC than a Celica:

tC:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20648.shtml

GT:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20644.shtml

GT-S:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20645.shtml

[ahnjae]

There selling techniques are a dozen (scion shirts, hats, shoes, pens, sponsoring shows, giving out more tropheys for each make of scion at shows, developing scion clubs, cool fast scion commercials, etc.) All this is to expose scion to the younger crowd and make the scion seem likes its "cool" to own a scion. Toyota is smart for doing this cause kids are buying into it