WCT TUrbo kit

[Cabel]

Ok so I am a little behind the times, one just get's fed up after a while, so now I am struggling to catch up.

I read all the posts here now with anticipation but it still seems oh so far from reality. It seems if anyone is gonna do it, make it work reliably and ppl are going to trust him it's gonna be Dave draper.

So now what is taking so long? What is needed to make it happen faster?

Anyone?

Also the big question, I posted in another thread bu no one has answered, the returnless fuel system, it seems to be the sticking point, add a fuel line great but no way to modify the ECU, eventually along the line this is the problem that is ruining engines is it not? What will be the solution? Has WCT approached this? Just trying to get up to speed here, a T/C would be great, but only if it's not gonna make the car completely unreliable.

[Red-one]

People post lot's of BS here promissing things they'll never acomplish...look at this "chip" from WR..,...WC trubo.....etc....

I'm tired of this crap....They should give them certain amount of time to back their stuff up and if not...delete their "dream selling posts"....People at acura camp are getting all sort of turbos, stuff..and their car's engines are as difficult to work as ours...I'm tired of excuses....

If anyone wants hardcore performance parts....just call ex: crower for a custom rods, send webc-cam a set of used cams and regrind them to your specs, call SRP or Arias for a set of higher-lower pistons; send your cylinder head to JG for a competition port bowl work......etc. Don't expect people do things for us..BC's no-one knows our car's need as ourselves......

I'm going my way like most suscesfull people do.......

BRGS
RED

[ride22]

Lets just face the fact that the new celica is the "red headed step child" of the import world. Don't get me wrong, I love my celica but it seems that we have been forgotten. I agree w/ Red-one you must go out and get it for yourself! Just think about it this way at least your not driving a Honda like the rest of the world!

As far as a T/C or S/C goes they will come sooner or later. Everything comes with patience at least if you want something that is quality. I realize that we have been waiting over 2 years, and the RSX already has several kits but Honda/Acura has a bigger market for performance prods.

The main thing is just to keep your head up and keep on calling the potential companies that make S/C and T/C. Show them that there is a demand for these in the celica world. Even TRD being the @$$'s that they are have forgotten us, but they could be one of our best chances.

Well thats about it
later
ride22

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I like how nobody flamed the other turbo guys that where suppose to be at SEMA. All they needed to do what the piping; the hardest part of the whole project.

Where is WC you ask??? Done with the 1ZZFE Turbo for the MRS. When will the turbo be done for the Celica... as soon as possible. I'm just waiting for the thumbs up from Dave to give them my keys and finish the final touches on the kit. SOON SOON SOON!!! Would you rather have a crappy kit now or an awesome kit soon???

[Cabel]

Hey man if it's gonna happen I am in. As is I have no cash to pursue a custom project at the moment anyways, so a little more waiting is in my plan anyways. So I hope it happens before then as it seems to be the most reliable go at it, and buying a kit has to be cheaper then custom so that sounds good all the way around.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Don't worry. When the kits are delivered the wait will be WELL worth it.

[Cabel]

Seems like it's been forever pushed back, and since I only started recently visiting this forum again seems many ppl have even started doubting WCT.

That's unfortunate I think.

Are there any late details? An estimated ETA? What is the current problem trying to be solved?

[Drix]

There has been claims and promises about a turbo for our cars for months, as far as I can see WC is the most promising, we know they are ACTUALLY working on a kit, and have been for a while both for the mr2 and the celica. I for one think it

[Cabel]

Sounds like you and I are on the same line of thinking Drix.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drix
[B]There has been claims and promises about a turbo for our cars for months, as far as I can see WC is the most promising, we know they are ACTUALLY working on a kit, and have been for a while both for the mr2 and the celica. I for one think it

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO


We appreciate it. We like to think that the months and months of R&D will pay off after you guys get the turbo's and a year later want your car to still be running. Like I said earlier the Spyder kit is finished and we will get going on the Celica very very shortly. Once the Celica gets time at the shop it should only be a few weeks and its finished. Thanks for the support this is what we like to see. Keep it up Guys and Gals.

Matt

The Spyder's kit is finished?!?! When did this happen? Last on Spyderchat WC kept saying they'd be done, first March and then I don't know when. Was WC planning on letting us Spyder owners know? If you guys didn't check, people were getting impatient for WC and now Energie Developments has started a GB for the Power Enterprise Turbo Kit. I think if you guys want to make back some of the money that went into the R&D, it'd be wise to let the Spyderchaters know ASAP. I know many of them are about to put the cash down NOW!

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

He's waiting to go pick it up. Last I heard the design was finished and now they gotta get it tuned up and its ready to go. Call David and ask him. I know they where like to the point where he could go get the car.

[JOHNBLAZIN]

holla

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

=0)

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
He's waiting to go pick it up. Last I heard the design was finished and now they gotta get it tuned up and its ready to go. Call David and ask him. I know they where like to the point where he could go get the car.

Well I'd definitely let David Draper know that posting his kit with final pics, specs, etc. on spyderchat would be a smart thing. I know David seems to favor the Celica board more than the Spyder board. :p And I've sworn I've seen you Dark post on the SC board too...

[David Draper]

Actually, Matt's just a little bit ahead of me on this one....

The Spyder is 99%, but the intercooler placement needs a little work. That's it. When it's done, there will be lots of pictures, and the car will be on it's way for tuning.

The tuning portion of the kit should take very little time, as the tuner is experienced with this engine and turbo being mated together.

Since the tuning is done via computer (like factory) and not mechanically, it's a longer process, but is also better.

The other kit that requires custom oil pan tapping and then welding and then cutting of the center pipe and then welding of that and so on is an example of a "quick kit", which red-one and other dissidents are more than welcome to purchase.

Frankly, I know it's annoying that things are being delayed, but we're going as fast as is prudent, and I'm not too interested in expediting the release at the expense of quality.

That having been said, I'm pushing as hard as I can, so here's hoping it's soon.....

[143hawaii]

Thanks David for stopping by personally! I totally understand where you're comming from. All of the Spyder owners know that you're doing your best to come out with a quality kit with no annoying CELs constantly on or "tacked" on fuel injectors. I think it's just the fact Spyder owners are getting as impatient as Celica owners. We both know how long other cars like the RSX or even Civic have been out, and look at their aftermarket support.

We all thank you for helping us out. I'll be sure to relay your msg to the SC board later on tonight when I have time, I'm sure it'll sway some people to hold off on the PE Turbo Kit's GB.

[onyx]

egads...all this talk is getting me real excited about this prospect again. :thumbup:

...let's see, how much money have I squirrled away so far...

[Cabel]

So DD can you bring me right up to date here as to what kind of estimated cost we're looking at for your kit? (Working that into my budget now b/c this turbo hope is about all that's left tokeep me from selling my poor beloved car.)

Is it going to be a fuel return system or a returnless system like the Greddy RSX? And what are you doing about the ECU?

And is there an ETA? Are you willing commit and estimated date to print to instill hope in our broad Celica bretheren?

And the final question, what is it going to be like for us Canadians to get a hold of this kit?

Some of these questions might be answered by searching, if so I am sorry for posting them again.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Yes I am a regular at spyderchat. I love you spyder owners a bunch.

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Yes I am a regular at spyderchat. I love you spyder owners a bunch.

:applaud: :gap:

[acilec11]

the celica wont get a turbo kit for a while. we all just have to be patient!

[Lord Banshee]

will the celica's ecus have to be sent to wc to get tuned or is thier going to be some sort of piggyback chip. and if it is a piggyback chip do we also have to get it tuned at a performance shop?

[SpyderByte]

Oh my God, it's almost here! Time to start rationalizing now. Must have turbo Spyder.

[byebyebaby]

Any news?

[David Draper]

Originally posted by byebyebaby
Any news?

Probably changing piping manufacturers next Wednesday (the deadline I gave the current guys).

Taking WAY too long, to the point that even they're willing to concede.

I have two backups, one in Sante Fe Springs, and one in San Diego.

Hopefully, the majority of the kit will be done, and we will only need a couple of parts done at the new fabricator.

That's it for now, but here's hoping the new fabrication shops are a bit quicker.

Sorry, I'm just as frustrated as you guys....

[aZnTrD2k]

David...are you talking about the MR2 or Celica

[143hawaii]

The MR2's being done first if i'm not mistaken. But later adapting it to the Celica isn't a big deal and shouldnt take too long.

[Liquidium]

This sucks, there are companies building turbos now that nobody seemed to know about and they are already out in the market, but the WC turbo isnt even close (as far as I can tell). Its been months and barly any progress. This a cheap ploy to get your name out there on the web?? You always seem to be waiting for all these other companies to finish up parts. If would be on their case and looking for other companies as soon as I found out they were not producing anything.

[TRDNiteLife]

My only concern with the WCT kit is PRICE....and I'd rather have a kit that came with a T3/T4 hybrid over a T28 ( I realize there is an option for a hybrid, but with the added price the kit will be too expensive from what I foresee ).

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by TRDNiteLife
My only concern with the WCT kit is PRICE....and I'd rather have a kit that came with a T3/T4 hybrid over a T28 ( I realize there is an option for a hybrid, but with the added price the kit will be too expensive from what I foresee ).

Why? The car on stock internals can only handle 12PSI. Unless you do about 2g's in engine work then you can push more boost, then a T3/T4 would be good.

[TRDNiteLife]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO


Why? The car on stock internals can only handle 12PSI. Unless you do about 2g's in engine work then you can push more boost, then a T3/T4 would be good.

Hehe, you seem to have avoided the price issue. About how much are we looking at as of now?

[beeseries]

id rather wait for a kit that has been fully tested, and have all the bugs worked out, rather than get a kit and slap it on and deal with all the problems. Take a honda kit for example, the greddy kit doesnt offer as much horsepower in its stock form, but it is safe, and relatively problem free, but as soon as you start up'in the boost that is where the problems lye. just my opinion from knowledge is that its better to take a little more time getting it done right rather than rushing anythin..peace

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

$3200.00 to $3500.00 is what was thrown around... that included all the necessary Computer units and Front Mount Intercooler. Trust me, weve beat this kit to death in design, its going to be the best out there. We could have released this kit way back in Dec. when we finished the first prototype but David wants it perfect and I don't blame him. This kit will be worth the wait.

As for the T/3 T/4 --- ull boost up at 3500rpm @ 6psi and I'll boost up @ 2800rpm @ 6psi.

[oldster]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
$3200.00 to $3500.00 is what was thrown around... that included all the necessary Computer units and Front Mount Intercooler. Trust me, weve beat this kit to death in design, its going to be the best out there. We could have released this kit way back in Dec. when we finished the first prototype but David wants it perfect and I don't blame him. This kit will be worth the wait.

As for the T/3 T/4 --- ull boost up at 3500rpm @ 6psi and I'll boost up @ 2800rpm @ 6psi.

What car was the prototype installed on?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

It was done and installed on my car.

[oldster]

Did you ever do a dyno on it?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

No David had them take it off... he didnt like the center pipe configuration. Also, before we Dyno we need to do the Tuning etc... but everything else was fitted and ready.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Also, before we Dyno we need to do the Tuning etc... but everything else was fitted and ready.

Shouldn't the turbo kit be tuned ON a dyno?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Yes sir.

[oldster]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
No David had them take it off... he didnt like the center pipe configuration. Also, before we Dyno we need to do the Tuning etc... but everything else was fitted and ready. [/QUOTE

Was it ever fired up and driven with the turbo on it?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

No because the car isnt driveable till it is Tuned.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
No because the car isnt driveable till it is Tuned.

Why wasn't it driveable? A shop near where you live called Shinestreet used to drive around a 2000 Eclipse that was turbocharged by HKS but wasn't tuned yet. One of the employees there said that it wasn't that quick because it wasn't tuned yet, but they still drove it around everyday.

[onyx]

perhaps this is a newbie question, but what exactly does tuning a new turbo setup entail?

thx!

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Why wasn't it driveable? A shop near where you live called Shinestreet used to drive around a 2000 Eclipse that was turbocharged by HKS but wasn't tuned yet. One of the employees there said that it wasn't that quick because it wasn't tuned yet, but they still drove it around everyday.

Yes... but when we add new injectors and all the car will be running so rich that it wont be to driveable... also we are putting a piggy back unit on the ECU to get it to run right, without it you kind of have Simon Smith syndrome. Running extra extra dangerously lean or rich.

[silverceli2k]

Damn, I haven't even bothered to go in this forum in a while, and its STILL the same OL same OL. Goodluck in ever getting the kit done.

[oldster]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
No because the car isnt driveable till it is Tuned.

So everything is going to be installed somewhere then trailered to the dyno, then fired up to be tuned?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by oldster


So everything is going to be installed somewhere then trailered to the dyno, then fired up to be tuned?

Yep... everyone else is getting pre-tuned ECU's if I recall correctly.

[TRDNiteLife]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO


Yep... everyone else is getting pre-tuned ECU's if I recall correctly.

Are the pre-tuned ECU's anything like an S-AFC, in the fact that certain settings might work for one car and another car would run better with diffferent settings? Am I making this question clear enough?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

It would require adjustment... NO BOOST CHANGES THOUGH!!! But it would be enough I'm sure to where you can plug it in and go. If it wasnt pretuned I dont even see how the car would start it would be running so rich.

[larryd]

the car would be drivable to a tuning place but its not the smartest thing to do.. obviously becuase you could be running really rich or really lean until you get it on a dyno to see for sure.. the first run will be dangerous though becuase your starting at a basepoint of guessing..

as for the guy asking abou a t3/t4..why is it that every import guys insists that a t3/t4 is the turbo to live or dye by?.. first off a t3/t4 isnt even a specific turbo.. its a base, then you decide on the compressor wheel etc etc... FYI.. I have a new upgraded version of the T28 which could put a wooping on many T3/T4 powered cars.. T28s will hold your boost all the way to redline and is capable of ALOT of boost.. I run 15-20lbs on a daily basis..

The other thing to mention is $$.. if your worried about spending $$, then dont buy a turbo kit.. becuase buying the kit is only the beginning.. there are soooo many other things that you are going to spend $$ on in the future either upgrading or fixing, you wouldnt even believe..

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Thanks Larry. I know what you mean. Everyone and there moma wants a t3/t4... good luck guys... what compressor trim you want? Most of us prollie dont even know how that will effect us right, right. Stick with the T28. Like Larry said... it holds boost, low lag, awesome turbo.

As for running too rich, I think one of the problems Hotshot said was the car wasnt even gona start.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Oh yeah another thing larry was saying.... add ons...

These are a must for people wanting to have a safe ride...

New Lower Compression Pistons, Pref. new Rods (they are good up to 12psi), auto tranny guys will want the tranny rebuilt, manual tranny guys will want new clutchs, after market exhaust.

[TRDNiteLife]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Oh yeah another thing larry was saying.... add ons...

These are a must for people wanting to have a safe ride...

New Lower Compression Pistons, Pref. new Rods (they are good up to 12psi), auto tranny guys will want the tranny rebuilt, manual tranny guys will want new clutchs, after market exhaust.

After reading this, I'm just gonna build my Supra instead, screw my Celi.

[larryd]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Oh yeah another thing larry was saying.... add ons...

These are a must for people wanting to have a safe ride...

New Lower Compression Pistons, Pref. new Rods (they are good up to 12psi), auto tranny guys will want the tranny rebuilt, manual tranny guys will want new clutchs, after market exhaust.

ahh that makes sense.. i know my Eclipse ran like crap with the new pump and bigger injectors until I leaned that sucker out big time :)..

you hit it on the head with the addons.. the clutch, a new bigger catless exhaust, since your FWD a LSD will be something to seriously consider and then it comes time to start breaking parts like halfshafts and what not from bouncing off the line, that doesnt even take into effect increasing the boost which is a whole new ballgame..

BUT DAMN.. thats all i can say.. everytime I think about it.. I mean dont get me wrong.. i love my Eclipse to death but a Celica GTS that can rev to 8000+ rpms weighing so little with so much power.. mmm.. 12s would be so fun in that car

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Yeah... I think there needs to be a sticky up Larry on this section so that the redundancy of questions stops. I know im lazy to search but, I've answered these Q's a million times :chuckles:

BTW: Your car is look SAWWWEEAAATT!

[larryd]

there is a sticky.. it says SEARCH :)

here is a thought, write a FAQ :)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

You got it!

[larryd]

hehe.. if you dont I will eventually.. it just needs to be alot of information that can be agreed upon which usually doesnt happen.. its on my project list

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by larryd
hehe.. if you dont I will eventually.. it just needs to be alot of information that can be agreed upon which usually doesnt happen.. its on my project list

Oh yeah everyone has there own opinions. All I can say is a Turbo isnt Bolt on and go, you can put it on then push 10000PSI and be safe... we have N/A cars... theres more to the turbo than the kit... thats why DD has put so much time into making this kit SAFE!!!

[swift 21]

is this kit fot the gts

[coOOlcelica]

nope only for the gt......

[Xlr8_10]

so what exactly are we guna have to do in order to increase the boost? like, upgrade internals and have you guys check it. then youll do it for us?? i know DD once mentioned something about the base kit and "upgrade packages." is that still the plan?

[larryd]

to turn up the boost only requires a boost controller.. to do it safely, new forged pistons and connecting rods, and prolly new valves, retainers and springs.. basically a rebuilt engine :)

[Xlr8_10]

i know that under normal circumstance, a boost controller would do the trick. but i was under the impression that the WC turbo was boost limited by the pre-tuned computer that it comes with. im probably just confused and adding to the "redundancy of questions." but just thought id ask.

[larryd]

you are correct but for anyone who knows enough about turbo setups, they can get around that ;)

[celicauk]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO


Yes... but when we add new injectors and all the car will be running so rich that it wont be to driveable... also we are putting a piggy back unit on the ECU to get it to run right, without it you kind of have Simon Smith syndrome. Running extra extra dangerously lean or rich.

Wow, I've had a phuck up named after me :D

Seriously though, not a good idea to be driving around without any ECU mods at all, I am now back in one piece (well the car is) and using an Apexi S-AFC to adjust the AF enough to keep her going nicely, I am still not pushing it until I have the EGT fitted and do some time on the rollers (hopefully this coming Saturday).

I only got burnt exhaust valves and its not too expensive to fix if you can handle it yourself, all the same, not a desirable result.

[Xlr8_10]

Originally posted by larryd
you are correct but for anyone who knows enough about turbo setups, they can get around that ;)

gotcha :chuckles:

daym larry, do you just sit around here and wait for people to respond to your posts? the promptness of your replies is impressive!

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by celicauk
Wow, I've had a phuck up named after me :D

I thought you'd like that buddy. On a more serious not though you're the only one whose endevoured into such an event and through example you've shown many excellent things. One of them is things are bolt on and race. Good Job keep it up!!! Also, i think Simon Smith Syndrome (SSS) :D is going to be Matt Lee Syndrome in about a month. Hope I can shake the disease with some help from WCToyota!!!

Matt

[larryd]

Originally posted by Xlr8_10


gotcha :chuckles:

daym larry, do you just sit around here and wait for people to respond to your posts? the promptness of your replies is impressive!

nah, im just bored ;)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by larryd


nah, im just bored ;)

:werd:

[Xlr8_10]

Originally posted by larryd


nah, im just bored ;)

yea, i feel ya larry. this has got to be the 5th-6th time ive been in this forum. :rolleyes:

[143hawaii]

FYI to the GT Owners:

The 1ZZ-FE is actually a very strong engine for handling boost. You should see some of the crazy numbers some members who have taken the lead are getting.

[Xlr8_10]

for example...

[celicauk]

DarkStar - Just to let you know, the engine dude reckoned the problem with the burnt valves was due to overfuelling (rich running) and pre ignition (Detonation?). Made an interesting pattern on the valve though, just little chips cracking off :(

I reckon with an S-AFC or similar you should be fine as you can tell the ECU what it is really getting.

Good luck and no way are you taking my disease name :)

BTW - I am also going to be going for SPD, Sheared Pinion Disease ;)

[larryd]

well the one advantage the GT owners have over the GTS owners is that there are actually turbo 1zzfe's out there on the raod already.. though there not in the Celica their in the mr2 but, its still a turbo 1zz.. so you should get an idea how there doing things and that would explain alot of stuff to you, like what the car can handle etc etc

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by Xlr8_10
for example...

Larry's got it right. The Spyder is huge in Japan. I've got pictures and some of the setups in Japan are very nice.

As far as owners on the board. It's actually not very hard for us owners to turbo. For example there's the Power Enterprise Kit that can be bought for $3000. It's very reliable except because of the way they designed the kit it causes a CEL.

The user "kaz" on the board was last pushing numbers in the 300RWHP range. His car's now in the shop getting fixed up for summer time. He should be putting out 400+RWHP by the time it's up and running. He's one of our users that's actually doing everyone else a favor by pushing the car slowly and finding the limits on our bottom end, stock internals, tranny, etc. So far nothing's given out yet.

"kaz" is probably the farthest one in terms of pure #'s. There's countless others in the 200RWHP range and a couple others approaching 300RWHP.

[Xlr8_10]

cool. thanks for the info! im glad to hear that people have thrown these things on and have finally started to do some real testing, as apposed to mass speculation. "it has begun"

[celicauk]

Booked in for Friday at 10:30 :D

[byebyebaby]

Any new developement, Dave?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

My car will be done soon getting fixed then its off to getting turbo'd.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by David Draper
...The other kit that requires custom oil pan tapping and then welding and then cutting of the center pipe and then welding of that and so on is an example of a "quick kit", which red-one and other dissidents are more than welcome to purchase.


Are you serious? You really have to do all this for the "other" kit out there?? I had no idea....

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by ToyoGT



Are you serious? You really have to do all this for the "other" kit out there?? I had no idea....

Was David's reply in response to the Power Enterprise kit for the Spyder or some other turbo kit for the Celica I don't know of. I haven't really been keeping up with the Celica aftermarket of late. As far as the PE kit goes there's no welding that's required.

[ToyoGT]

oh i have no idea, i was thinking he was referring to the Turbo performance kit.

Just wondering is all :)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

He is refering to our first prototype and probly most other companies turbos. The way we did it the first time was the easiest and cheapest but, you know David... hes a stickler for quality and ease so give it a lil more time we are going to give you all the best turbo you can get. Kid tested Mother approved!

[Fourgig]

Maybe it's just the project management in me talking, but all this "just wait and see...it's going to be the best kit available" talk isn't doing it for me any more. We've been hearing the same line since the begining!

If WCT is really serious about putting out this turbo kit for the Celica, then they must have someone actively working on this project. Is David the only one working on it? Or is there someone else involved?

Would it be too much to ask to have the person in charge of this project write up a short progess report every week or so? I'm not saying we need to know all the gory details (even though I'd like them) but just a short "the new exhaust manifold sucks ass, so we have to prototype another one...it'll take another 2 weeks to design and make it."

Even if they're only working on the MR-S turbo kit right now and the Celica turbo is on the back burner, if we know how far along the 1st kit is, we'll have a realistic expectation of when the Celica's turbo kit will be available.

[David Draper]

Originally posted by Fourgig
Maybe it's just the project management in me talking, but all this "just wait and see...it's going to be the best kit available" talk isn't doing it for me any more. We've been hearing the same line since the begining!



Well...that's true. I mean, honestly, that's true. I went on the projections given to me by the shop doing the piping. They had the first Celica in Decemeber, and as of right now, they've not been able to get the piping done.

That's the holdup. If I can ever get someone to finish the piping, the prototype is about 2-4 weeks from display. The tuning is done. I know that sounds weird, because it's normally the other way around, but the tuning is really actually done. We have the computer, the injectors, all the bits and pieces....it's just the piping.

I mean, that's oversimplification. We still need to determine if enough electronic wizardry can be utilized to eliminate the need for a return fuel line, we still need to get the optimal size for the injectors (although we have a range narrowed down I want the best balance possible), and the particulars of the sizing and sourcing for the water lines and oil lines has to be determined, but this is all trivial stuff that's easy to get finalized.

So anyway, the second I have piping completed, I'll have lots to tell.

Thanks for your patience,
David

[MSR27]

Hey Larry, what does a wastegate do? Will this kit need one?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by David Draper


Well...that's true. I mean, honestly, that's true. I went on the projections given to me by the shop doing the piping. They had the first Celica in Decemeber, and as of right now, they've not been able to get the piping done.

That's the holdup. If I can ever get someone to finish the piping, the prototype is about 2-4 weeks from display. The tuning is done. I know that sounds weird, because it's normally the other way around, but the tuning is really actually done. We have the computer, the injectors, all the bits and pieces....it's just the piping.

I mean, that's oversimplification. We still need to determine if enough electronic wizardry can be utilized to eliminate the need for a return fuel line, we still need to get the optimal size for the injectors (although we have a range narrowed down I want the best balance possible), and the particulars of the sizing and sourcing for the water lines and oil lines has to be determined, but this is all trivial stuff that's easy to get finalized.

So anyway, the second I have piping completed, I'll have lots to tell.

Thanks for your patience,
David

A half-year delay because of the piping?! Wow! Those guys doing that work for you are absolutely screwing you guys! Hopefully everything turns out OK for you guys, David. Good luck with that.

[David Draper]

RE: Wastegate--the turbo generally produces more boost than the car can use the entire time you're at WOT. The wastegate releases the excess unusable boost so you run no more than the set level of boost your application calls for. In other words, although the T28 is capable of producing up to 20 psi, you wouldn't want the thing to actually stuff 20 psi into the engine because it couldn't handle it. So, the wastegate is for all intents and purposes a boost pressure regulator.

And, the T28 comes with one built in.

As for the delay, yeah, my eyes were bugging out too! The Celica was dropped off in late December, and was picked up in January, hence the pictures you guys have seen.

However, it took over two months to get it back in to the shop to make a couple of adjustments, and by the time we got an opening, the car had been in an accident, so we had to look to alternatives. So, the Spyder was dropped off around two months ago, but has had almost no work actually done on it.

The shop's price was great, and their work (when you can get it) is very high quality. But, this has just been a disaster, so it's time to move along.

Also, it's important to remember that we were forced into a very small budget to accomplish this for the first several months. It's only in the last 30-60 days they've opened up the floodgates.

Hopefully, this new shop will yield quick results.

*Crossing fingers*

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

*fingers crossed!*

[cybrpunk]

If the celica you guys were supposed to use was in an accident, why not use a different celica to take its spot? There would have been no delay if you guys went that route. Then you guys could have used a 5spd GT instead of that auto GT.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

well... in all honesty the delay wasn't our fault... and we sent another 1ZZ to get done and they still delayed it. Fact of the matter is we cant dwell on what happened we just got to pick the pieces up and move on... and thats what we are doing.

[Fourgig]

So you've already lined up a new shop to make the piping? I'm assuming by "piping" you also mean the exhaust manifold so we can assume the manifold will not be made by Hotshot? Or was Hotshot old, old news already?

OK, let's say the new shop schedules the Celica prototyping to start in a week. That means they'll start on 6/10. I can't imagine a first prototype taking more than a week, then a few days to tweak the design, and maybe another week to make a final prototype. Then let's give them some buffer time of one week (always needed for any project IMO). That gives the shop 4 weeks to make the piping.

And Dave mentioned that it would be 2-4 weeks to display once they get the piping, so I'm assuming this time will be used to finalize electronics fuel delivery, lines, dyno tuning, etc. So let's take worst case of 4 weeks, and add the standard 1 week buffer. That means 5 weeks of fine tuning. So by my guesstimate, we'll see new pics of the kit by 8/12.

Now assuming POs get placed right away with vendors for all the parts that are necessary for the kit, I guesstimate it will take 4-6 weeks for the long leadtime parts. So let's just use 6 weeks. That means we could potentially see the first WCT turbo kits available for sale on Sept 30.

**disclaimer** I don't know squat about the auto industry so I'm guessing at everything that I posted above. :D

[Cash Money]

here's a couple ?'s...

whats the specs on a T28??? as in, how would it compare to a IHI VF23??? I'd think that this ball-bearing turbo would be nice, and doesn't XS Engineering use this on their Turbo GT-S??? Ceramic ball bearing turbos spool up and respond very quickly and are very durable correct??? the HP and torque curves of the XS looked very nice to me...

Why upgrade the ingnition as well, as seen in other kits with a stand alone unit with wires... I mean, to keep costs down, wouldn't a MSD DIS suffice with lower boost levels, in the 6-8psi range??? And at lower boost levels, for a fuel upgrade, maybe just consist of a high duty cycle fuel pump suffice??? the MAFS and ECU should be able to keep up with a low boost kit, maybe just use a S-AFC for additional tuning??? thus keeping the kit affordable and to the bolt-on persona??? And it'd definetly have to be intercooled properly...with 11.5:1 theres no way i'd wanna take a chance with high-temp intake charges... just some idea's...

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

For electronics we have a seperate company taking care of everything so thats not a problem.

Fourgig: Man we keep breaking your heart don't we. Don't worry your estimates are right. The problem was Hotshot never had time for us. David has lined up a new company and the car should be going there as soon as the details are done. This kit will be done just bear with us guys.

BTW: This is a GT only kit as it stands right now.

Thanks,
Matt

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Sorry Cash... the T28 is used in many high performance cars. Its a very stable and fast spooling turbo. A lot of the Silvia guys upgrade there SR20DET with T28's and get about 250whp. Thats awesome. Consider our weight and pushing that much HP... we'd be fast cars. With the engine the way it is I don't see many people SAFELY pushing over a bar of boost making the T28 a perfect turbo. The debate of the T3, T25, and T3/4 hybrid was a long one but I think David made the right choice in choosing the T28. Its a good overall turbo.

[Fourgig]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Fourgig: Man we keep breaking your heart don't we.

Well, the thing is I have the money for a turbo kit right now. But I'm also looking at buying a house. So if I find a house before the turbo kit is out, I know I'll end up putting ALL my money into the down payment (damn Bay area housing costs!!). Then who knows when I'll be able to afford a turbo.

So unless the WCT kit is right around the corner, as in it will be available by early July, I'll probably have to go with the "other" turbo kit.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I'm ready to give the car up. The paint should only take a few weeks.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
BTW: This is a GT only kit as it stands right now.


You say that like it's a bad thing ;) hehe

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by ToyoGT



You say that like it's a bad thing ;) hehe

Shut up!!! :chuckles:

[Baldhead_J]

Salivating at the prospect of a Turbo Celica! There is a kit for sale at www.turbo-reformance.com, but I have never heard of the company and the site is bare bones nonesense, so I have little faith in it. If WCT is really goingt o deliver on this, I will certainly wait to see the results. Is there an update on progress?

Respectfully,
Baldhead_J

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Honestly guys, give us a few more weeks... it will work out in the end. A lot of members here have been having mixed reactions with Turbo Performance... one person even bought a manifold months ago and never recieved it but they took his money. West Covina Toyota is very reputable and I think this kit will be worth the wait. Just keep it up we're on the home stretch.

[gavin]

home stretch........ rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright. though i totally agree WCT is reputable.. i like their service. (i got a LSD from them pretty speedilly.. its not in my car yet.. cause ive been waiting forever to get an ACT clutch in the mail from phronline.com ) im just impatient.. (wanted to buy the turbo in sept. when it was origionally supposed to come out.) hurry hurry hurry! and thinking to the future, will there be a package that comes with pistons and rods so we can boost 10 psi?