Question about the ITR performance

[Dave vdK]

I just met some guy my friend knows that drives a 1997 ITR. After talking to him, he's telling me that his top speed was around 250 km/h (he says his needle was way past the 230 km/h mark and judging by where it was placed, was around 250km/h), and that he's done 14.3 runs on the 1/4 mile. Oh and his car is bone-stock.

I've searched the web but I haven't found real-life performance figured for the stock ITR; only manufacturers specs, but this guy smells like BS. Can someone point me to a forum that would have this info, or if someone knows to please enlighten me?

Thanks in advance

[CheezeFrog]

Sounds about right to me. ITR's have been known to hit 14.2's stock. Ask him what his trap speed was...

[SoSlow]

actually i heard it is possible to hit 14.3 in a stock itr, if you consider unbolted exhaust and/or stripped interior as stock. many hit 14.6-14.7 otherwise i believe. i could be wrong

[Dave vdK]

damn...so this guy is probably not lying. I always take what people say with a grain of salt... too many bs'ers out there. 14.2 is pretty damn impressive though. What about the 250 km/h deal?

[djm221]

That 250km/h (~152 mph)sounds legit too. Speedos are way off at higher speeds, especially if he was "guessing" it was at 250. Some people with GT-S's claim they have passed 150mph indicated.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Sounds about right to me. ITR's have been known to hit 14.2's stock. Ask him what his trap speed was...
Yes, it is possible. I suspect he did a little weight reduction and probably deflated the front tires a little. Everyone agrees real world is usually 0.2 to 0.3 seconds better than the best mag times. Best mag times for the ITR were 14.5. I would be curious to know his trap speed and 60' time as well. I've also seen 14.2 with a CAI only.

[Dave vdK]

He's going to get me a photocopy of his timeslip so I'll post it here when I get it, and his tires were deflated.

[Chui]

Try http://www.itrca.com and http://www.honda-tech.com for relevent websites.

I don't think the car will go 152 mph. I've read 139 to 145 mph, but it's rather academic in "the real world".

I've HEARD of 14.2 and 14.3 second 1/4 mile times by supposedly stock cars. I've not witnessed it and I've not inspected the cars that supposedly ran these times. 14.5 second 1/4 miles I HAVE witnessed and I KNOW the cars were stock. In fact, I watched a close friend of mine run four (4) 14.67 second 1/4 miles in one afternoon with 17" wheels and **** tires. So the cars DO have potential for this type of abuse. And abuse it is; let there be no misconceptions about it.

I think the cars are typically good for 14.5 to 14.7 seconds with a very decent driver in all honesty. It will depend on a lot of variables, however so I wouldn't spend too much time pouring over those kind of numbers.

[CelicaNamja79]

Man,

Impressive numbers. I don't doubt ITRs. I've always wanted Integ and this kinda posts juss keep on pissin me off cuz i purchased a celica instead. I am gonna get one.. no i will drive one before I die.:naughty:

[Dave vdK]

I haven't actually been for a ride in an ITR (I'm sure the drive is amazing), but as far as interior/comfort goes, I'd have to give the edge to the Celica.

I keep on thinking about having made the right choice with the Celica instead of a Type R or an RSX-S, but after driving my car I just fall back in love every time. Personally I'm going to hang on to it until the 8th gen comes out to see if they're going after the RSX-R, and switch to that one if they do.

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by Dave vdK
I haven't actually been for a ride in an ITR (I'm sure the drive is amazing), but as far as interior/comfort goes, I'd have to give the edge to the Celica.

I keep on thinking about having made the right choice with the Celica instead of a Type R or an RSX-S, but after driving my car I just fall back in love every time. Personally I'm going to hang on to it until the 8th gen comes out to see if they're going after the RSX-R, and switch to that one if they do.


Interior/comfort wise... I'd give it to ITR. Integra's interior quality is way superior than the Celica and I am a fan of simplicity. Integra's interior is simple which translates into more modding you can do, besides have you seen a ITR's stock interior? Yakko, don't you have something to add man:chuckles:

[Dave vdK]

Yeah I sat in one this weekend. True it is simple, but I like the dash/console layout of the Celica more.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Dave vdK
I haven't actually been for a ride in an ITR (I'm sure the drive is amazing), but as far as interior/comfort goes, I'd have to give the edge to the Celica.


How the hell do you know if you haven't ridden in one? The Type R has superior seats, but that's about the only clear advantage. The GTS seats are lower to the floor, and that's more of a personal preference. The ITR does ride a little stiffer, but not that much stiffer once you put a set of Eibachs or H&Rs on the GTS. As for road noise, there isn't much more of that either. I found the ITR much nicer on road trips than my friend's GTS because the front seat has more room. The seats were nicer too. My butt kepy falling asleep in the GTS. Both cars have their high points. I didn't care for the cheap plastic interior or the gauges on the GTS. But I also don't like the fake CF interior on the ITR either.

[Dave vdK]

Sorry I should have left comfort out... I meant layout of the console/dash.

[SoSlow]

to me, the gt-s interior is more sporty and exciting, but the stuff it's made of is crap

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

How the hell do you know if you haven't ridden in one? The Type R has superior seats, but that's about the only clear advantage. The GTS seats are lower to the floor, and that's more of a personal preference. The ITR does ride a little stiffer, but not that much stiffer once you put a set of Eibachs or H&Rs on the GTS. As for road noise, there isn't much more of that either. I found the ITR much nicer on road trips than my friend's GTS because the front seat has more room. The seats were nicer too. My butt kepy falling asleep in the GTS. Both cars have their high points. I didn't care for the cheap plastic interior or the gauges on the GTS. But I also don't like the fake CF interior on the ITR either.

I knew you were gonna come out with the authority...:D :bowdown:

[Keyshawn]

Yakko (or Chui or any other Type R expert out there),
Are there any articles that compare the old Type R to the new RSX/Integra Type R? How do those two stack up?

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by SoSlow
to me, the gt-s interior is more sporty and exciting, but the stuff it's made of is crap
Spoken from an obvious owner...

[ghostface]

i always thought that the type-r was a little overrated ..thats mainly because its a rare car ...also it still is a bad*ss car that i wouldnt mess with in most imports...i was also wondering how like a 1999 eclipse gs-t or a gsx stacks up to a type-r ..givin that botha re completely stock.....btw what does the eclipse gs-t and gsx run stock in the 1/4 mile...oh and one more thing...i have never ever seen a picture of an eclipse in japan..do they even have them there..or do we actually jhave a pretty bad*ss import that they dont have....but all in all the type-r is bad*ss so is a GS-R for that matter

Ghost

p.s- how does the type-r stand up to a new RSX Type-s

[CelicaNamja79]

Eclipse question should be answered by Larry soon.. and i think GSX OR GS-T should give a TYPE-R a good race..prolly beat TYPE-R stock to stock.. but then again that will be answerd by our infamous TYPE R owner "YAKKO-R"..:chuckles:

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Yakko (or Chui or any other Type R expert out there),
Are there any articles that compare the old Type R to the new RSX/Integra Type R? How do those two stack up?
I haven't seen any articles yet, but my subscription to SCC hasn't been moved to my new place yet. From reading the articles about the new R, it should be about 0.4 seconds or so faster in the quartermile. The chassis improvements to the RSX over the last Teg should be even better once it gets the Type R treatment. The car is going to be a much better road course performer, but only slightly faster in the 1/4 mile. A comparison would be interesting.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by ghostface

p.s- how does the type-r stand up to a new RSX Type-s
After giving a RSX-S a complete test drive, I was disappointed. The straightline speed was a little less than my modified Type R. Most quartermile numbers I've seen since my RSX-S jaunt have supported that. The handling of the RSX-S was noticeably worse. The RSX handling is much worse than the GTS. However, the highway ride of the RSX is superior to both the ITR and GTS. I guess they went with a comfy ride over better handling.

I did prefer the steering feel of the RSX and the feel of the clutch and shifter to the ITR. The steering feel was almost as good as the GTS, with the shifter in the RSX being superior to both cars.

I guess the big factor is that I was expecting something on level with my Type R. (After reading the ads and hearing the hype before it was released). The Type S is just that...a Type S. It's not a Type R, and it doesn't approach the performance of one either. A very nice car, but not a pure performer.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79
Eclipse question should be answered by Larry soon.. and i think GSX OR GS-T should give a TYPE-R a good race..prolly beat TYPE-R stock to stock.. but then again that will be answerd by our infamous TYPE R owner "YAKKO-R"..:chuckles:
I haven't followed the stock times for the GSX or GST. However, I have been told by people familiar with both cars, that the Type R is a tad quicker in the 1/4 mile than each of them in stock config. The GST is supposed to be faster than the GSX at higher speeds due to the increased drag created by the AWD system. Modding, however, is a different story. You get much more bang for your buck on the Eclipses because of the potential of the turbo motor. The turbo Eclipses are not bad cars at all. Just poorly put together with cramped poorly laid out interiors.

[6SPDGTS]

Good comparisions Yakko.
I agrre for the most part. The Type R was hard to say no to when compared to my GT-S when I bought it. The Type R does outhandle the GT-S I am not going to argue this. I like the looks of the Celica inside and out comapred to the Type R. The inside of the Type R does nothing for me and I fit in the seats of the Celica better. This is all personal preference though. You cant say which seats are better because its personal preference. I think the Type R easily beats out the RSX-S and the GT-S also easily beats out the RSX-S. The bottom line is you cant go wrong with a Type R or the GT-S. Ive never read a negative article about the Type R or heard anyone who has the car say they didnt like it. I still think the best 2 Sport Compact Cars (FWD) are the GT-S and Type R easily even though the Type R isnt for sale anymore.
Peace
Ryan

[MilinGTS]

sounds about right for type R speeds.


ok ok seriously tho, call bs on him! theres no way he can have one...it must have been stolen by now!



grrr. (still bitter because he knew better than to buy a car someone would steal instantly)

[Chui]

Issue 37 of EVO magazine covered both cars and they rate the old car the better driver's car. 5 stars to 4.5. They stated that the old car has an infinitely adjustable chassis and excellent steering feedback whereas the newer car is not as adjustable and they didn't like the steering feel nor the input into the steering wheel from the limited-slip differential.

[ghostface]

first off is that comparixon between the new rsx type r or the rsx type-s and the onlder intregra type-r...also i do know what they are saying..my friend has a rsx type-s and the steering response isnt as precise as the celis or the older integras...even after he got it lowered it wasnt that good...my other firend has a 98 gs-r and even that car feels like its got more power and preciseness than the rsx type-s...idk ..the rsx kinda feels like its more a luxury car than a sports coupe....can anyone relate to what i said..

Ghost

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui
Issue 37 of EVO magazine covered both cars and they rate the old car the better driver's car. 5 stars to 4.5. They stated that the old car has an infinitely adjustable chassis and excellent steering feedback whereas the newer car is not as adjustable and they didn't like the steering feel nor the input into the steering wheel from the limited-slip differential.
Chui,

Are you referring to the DC5R versus the DC2R?

[Kenshi]

Just an observation, but I find it humorous that comparisons with the GTS to other comparable imports always concentrate on straight line speed.

[yakkosmurf]

Straightline speed is the easiest thing to measure. Also, most of these kids think drag racing cars with under 200 HP is fun. Go figure. At any rate, I think you'll notice that most of the performance minded people on this thread mentioned not only straightline speed, but also handling and driving feel. Mentioning straightline speed numbers gives you an idea of how fast you can power out of the turn. :D

[CelicaNamja79]

Yakko = Car Freak....

[Chui]

Yes, the comparison is between the '96 thru '01 DC2-R and the JDM RSX/Integra Type R. I've not read an article yet that favored the newer model over the current ITR. In Australia they much prefer the older DC2-R over the current RSX Type R as well. It's a shame, really. They've made the car more "user friendly" and made it appeal to a much broader audience, but at the same time they've ruined it as a true driver's scalpel. Same road traveled as the BMW M3 and Porsche 911 [which seems to be trying to get back on track with it's latest iteration of the Carrera].

[Kenshi]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Straightline speed is the easiest thing to measure. Also, most of these kids think drag racing cars with under 200 HP is fun. Go figure. At any rate, I think you'll notice that most of the performance minded people on this thread mentioned not only straightline speed, but also handling and driving feel. Mentioning straightline speed numbers gives you an idea of how fast you can power out of the turn. :D

Yeah, I only mentioned the slightly ludicrous devotion to 1/4 mile times as it seems that many posters see it as the only way to measure cars. Even though I've yet to drive an ITR, I loved the steering and handling of the Celica, especially on twisty mountain roads. Straight out acceleration was mostly an afterthought for me.

Oh yeah, how fast you can power out of a turn is important, but not quite as important as a driver who knows how to approach and exit the corner. :)

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui
Yes, the comparison is between the '96 thru '01 DC2-R and the JDM RSX/Integra Type R. I've not read an article yet that favored the newer model over the current ITR. In Australia they much prefer the older DC2-R over the current RSX Type R as well. It's a shame, really. They've made the car more "user friendly" and made it appeal to a much broader audience, but at the same time they've ruined it as a true driver's scalpel. Same road traveled as the BMW M3 and Porsche 911 [which seems to be trying to get back on track with it's latest iteration of the Carrera].
Thanks for the info. That's an interesting take on things. Everyone just talks about the bigger, higher HP engine in the DC5R. I wouldn't mind driving one to see what it felt like. We'll see if it ever gets here. I could care less either way. I have no intention of buying one. I don't think I want another FWD car.