Bad News For Automatic GT-S Owners: Blitz SC for Manual Transmission Only

[Keyshawn]

Got this info from an altavista translation of Blitz Japan's supercharger webpage:

TOYOTA
Model Year system Type Engine type Remark Desired retail price Cord/code
99/09- ZZT231 2ZZ-GE MT car 598,000 10126

Check this link: http://world.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blitz.co.jp%2Fproducts%2Fcomp ressor%2Fcompressor-kit.htm

[GTS808]

Well from the looks of the intercooler piping I didn't think it would have fit. Oh wells.

[pinoyracer]

Ohh well, guess we start trading it in for 6 speed

So superchargers are out

Hmmm I guess start looking for turbo's now, but don't give up hope though, who knows, Blitz might design one for the auto's ;) :thumbup:

[HilfigerCelica]

Oh well, we're pretty used to having a slow car in the straight line but at least she corners like a Ferrari.

[t2000gts]

just get your own intercooler. the actual supercharger/manifold i think doesn't interfere with the transmission.

just do a bit of custom work.

you would probably have to do the same for a turbo anyway, since both intercoolers would have similar piping i think.

or are you guy just going to give up on forced induction entirely because the intercooler piping is 'off' :chuckles: if guys were willing to do custom manifold piping, you can certainly go the extra distance and do some other intercooler with custom piping, unless you weren't serious to begin with.

[Keyshawn]

t2000gts, do you think a custom ECU will be required, too? Just thought about that.

[00BlackGT-S]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
t2000gts, do you think a custom ECU be required, too? Just thought about that.

I was thinking the same thing. Will Tiptronic still function, or are we just **** out of luck.

[gto78]

in a week i'm doing the conversion from auto to 6 speed, its way cheaper than trading in (for me anyways, i'd be losing my down payment otherwise). And for the money its gonna cost thats the cheapest 2 second gain in a 1/4 mile i've ever seen ($1200). Then i'll be savin up for a SC. I can say from years of workin on turbo and non turbo engines for a living that the turboed engine will never last as long as the supercharged engine. Mainly because of the heat involved with turbo. If i was only racing it and didnt care about reliability and longevity than i would choose the turbo since it should peak a little higher on HP, and the torque wouldnt be a need. If you guys install a turbo then try and get a turbo "Blanket". Its a stainless foil heat shield that is shaped like the turbo and wraps around it. It reflects all the heat back into the turbo and away from the engine compartment. Makes workin on it much nicer and keeps your engine cleaner looking and cooler. Not sure if they makem on cars but on aircraft they are usually required and cost about $4,000 for the damn things. its very simple and probably about $30 worth of material when you think about it. Oh well, its somethin to think about.

[00BlackGT-S]

gto78, Where are you getting the conversion done? And how much is it going to cost you?

[gto78]

i'm gettin all the parts from a salvage yard that gets new wrecked cars. I am doin the work myself and should take a weekend. The parts should be about 1200$ and then i still gotta buy a few things here and there, probably another $100. The trans was $700 and gauranteed for 1 year. so my grand total is goin to be around $1300. before i install it I really wanna put in the LSD and Lightened flywheel, if i can afford it. Nows the time to do it.

[00BlackGT-S]

Damn, I'm not not mechanically adept to do the swap myself. How long do you expect teh conversion to take?

[GTS LAID]

good luck man... hope your service manual is up to date... (you do have one right)

[coOOlcelica]

gto78 keep us updated and let us know all the parts need for the swap

[t2000gts]

i don't ever see a custom ECU possible for the auto GTS unless you put a full race ready automatic ECU with new transmission in there.

however, if a company that makes a kit specifically for the celica, (like Blitz in this case) and if they decide to offer replacement ECUs, they could easily offer one for the auto, but i doubt they would.

you don't really need one anyway, for most tuning purposes (especially with regards to streetable forced induction), piggyback AFCs and whatnot will suffice.

gto78: good luck. let us know how it goes and PLEASE, PLEASE take as many pictures as you can every step of the way and any unexpected things you run into!

[gto78]

i plan on takin pics of everything, and will note all the small details and other small parts i run into needing. Like for instance theres a switch for the clutch pedal that doesnt let you start the car with stepping on it. I will need a harness for that also i'm sure. I am also swapping the ecu with the one from the 6 speed for various reasons. Of course there may be another harness there i'll need for that tranny. My steering wheel and speedo also have auto features like the buttons and gear indicators that i'd like to swap out. I know theres gonna be a bunch of small things like this and i will note everything and take pics of it all. My cousin is a mechanic (ASE Master cert. and I'm an aircraft mechanic) so between us we shouldnt have any problems with tools or knowledge. His dealer has the manuals on computer for everything you could imagine, and gives step by step details on things like this. I can not wait to do this, its like getting a new car all over again, and this time i'll actually be happy with it. Its time to make some power now......

[t2000gts]

yeah, you definitely need all the wiring harnesses from the 6-speed, and the ECU too (make sure it's an 00-01 :chuckles: )

maybe you should leave out that clutch-in-to-start-car shift, only the US has that i think. be a little unique :D

you could probably keep your gauges, just disconnect the lights for the park-reverse-drive-etc. and the gear indicator lights. you could always hook them up to something else later (using the 1-2-3-4 for a shift lite would be hot i think)

[larryd]

hehe, can u say install guide :)

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by larryd
hehe, can u say install guide :)

this would be the mother of all install guides ;)

[BlackGTS2002]

That install guide would deserve its own category in the installs section.

[larryd]

i would haev to link it on the main page :)

[coOOlcelica]

lol.....damn i cannot wait to see that!!!

gto78 hey how soon should we except to see this?

[gto78]

i have the transmission, just waitin on the rest of the parts... i'm hoping all of it will be here in about a week

[00BlackGT-S]

So is it the intercooler piping that won't fit? Or something else? Because custom intercooler piping is not hard to produce.

[XYRCNCP]

Originally posted by 00BlackGT-S
So is it the intercooler piping that won't fit? Or something else? Because custom intercooler piping is not hard to produce.
:werd: so is just the piping? hmmmm, cannot be that hard to make.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by XYRCNCP

:werd: so is just the piping? hmmmm, cannot be that hard to make.

The ECU might be a problem, too.

[t2000gts]

another reason blitz won't offer it specifically for the auto is because they think it can't handle it...and for long-term on the stock tranny, it probably can't. but with better ATF, an ATF cooler, and perhaps an EBC like TRD has with it's camry superchargers that turn off boost during shifts (when the most wear occurs), the tranny will take it no problem.

[XYRCNCP]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


The ECU might be a problem, too.

now, would that really be a problem or will something like the S-AFC work?, or is our car really THAT picky on what can and can't be done to it? I mean, my friends' civic (yeah I know, any mod is doable in a civic) just got a Jackson Racing S/C put on and his is an auto and had no problem with the ECU. But then again, like I said it's a honda so any mod works regardless....

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by XYRCNCP


now, would that really be a problem or will something like the S-AFC work?, or is our car really THAT picky on what can and can't be done to it? I mean, my friends' civic (yeah I know, any mod is doable in a civic) just got a Jackson Racing S/C put on and his is an auto and had no problem with the ECU. But then again, like I said it's a honda so any mod works regardless....

Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but those Honda engines (B series and H series) are MUCH easier to work with than our 2zz. Even with a complete TEC II ECU replacement, SCC still blew their 2zz on a modest 7lbs of boost. Sticking with the stock ECU would not be a very good idea.

[XYRCNCP]

hmmmm.....well there goes the celica then......now I have almost made up my mind on when the celi departs...

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by XYRCNCP
hmmmm.....well there goes the celica then......now I have almost made up my mind on when the celi departs...

Whatcha thinking of getting?

[XYRCNCP]

either the 350Z or the G35 coupe, pretty much the same car, but I would need to see at least inside pics of the G35 to make a decision, cuz the Infiniti price tag would most likely be higher than the 350Z even though they are pretty much the same car. Any numbers on the G35 yet?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by XYRCNCP
either the 350Z or the G35 coupe, pretty much the same car, but I would need to see at least inside pics of the G35 to make a decision, cuz the Infiniti price tag would most likely be higher than the 350Z even though they are pretty much the same car. Any numbers on the G35 yet?

Awesome choices. I'm looking at cars that are already quick right out of the box and cars that get more aftermarket support, such as the WRX. Although with the Evo's legendary rep in Japan, I bet the Evo 7 will have lots of upgrade potential once that comes out.

[Chai13GTs]

GTO78 I am thinking about doing the same thing too. Beside you, do you know any place that would do the conversion?

[XYRCNCP]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Awesome choices. I'm looking at cars that are already quick right out of the box and cars that get more aftermarket support, such as the WRX. Although with the Evo's legendary rep in Japan, I bet the Evo 7 will have lots of upgrade potential once that comes out.
oh yeah, I forgot, I also have the EVO on my mind.....I'm starting to feel the need to move away from the small car thing though....but the EVO is a serious kickas$ car.......and yes there IS the aftermarket support.
I even thought about a Skyline GT-R, but I dunno about that idea just yet..

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but those Honda engines (B series and H series) are MUCH easier to work with than our 2zz. Even with a complete TEC II ECU replacement, SCC still blew their 2zz on a modest 7lbs of boost. Sticking with the stock ECU would not be a very good idea.

that's interesting...when did that happen? is this the XS Engineering celica? or the SCC matrix using that XS turbo?

i think they blew it because of the TEC II ECU replacement. the 2ZZ is a very ECU-dependent car because of the variable everything and i wouldn't feel comfortable with entire ECU replacements unless they came with the stock timing maps, and then go from there. i'd trust toyota's stock maps to work for mods better than settings that come from anyone else but a tuner that charges 2-3 grand for tuning.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by t2000gts


that's interesting...when did that happen? is this the XS Engineering celica? or the SCC matrix using that XS turbo?

i think they blew it because of the TEC II ECU replacement. the 2ZZ is a very ECU-dependent car because of the variable everything and i wouldn't feel comfortable with entire ECU replacements unless they came with the stock timing maps, and then go from there. i'd trust toyota's stock maps to work for mods better than settings that come from anyone else but a tuner that charges 2-3 grand for tuning.

Huh? You'd trust the stock ECU to take care of fueling and ignition timing on a turbo or s/c Celica over a race-proven ECU (TEC II) tuned by a company that knows their stuff (Vishnu Performance)? Wow.

In any case, this happened on their Matrix. The XS Celica (with the stock ECU) had to turn down boost from 7.5 to 6 psi because of detonation problems.

[iDRIVE]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Awesome choices. I'm looking at cars that are already quick right out of the box and cars that get more aftermarket support, such as the WRX. Although with the Evo's legendary rep in Japan, I bet the Evo 7 will have lots of upgrade potential once that comes out.

Sound like keyshawn had enough of the celica.

With only two years left till the celica is paid off ill just hang on the Celica then give her to my girlfirend. Im looking at the E46 M3 for my next car.

[ultimategts]

the charger is going to cost 6000 for 60 horespower, just does not seem worth it to me...it looks good and all, but, I'm going turbo. At least I can increase and decrease the boost!!!!!

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by iDRIVE


Sound like keyshawn had enough of the celica.

With only two years left till the celica is paid off ill just hang on the Celica then give her to my girlfirend. Im looking at the E46 M3 for my next car.

My time frame is similar to yours. I'm thinking of keeping it for 1-2 more years. Probably not gonna mod it anymore. M3's are dope. Good luck with that, man.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Huh? You'd trust the stock ECU to take care of fueling and ignition timing on a turbo or s/c Celica over a race-proven ECU (TEC II) tuned by a company that knows their stuff (Vishnu Performance)? Wow.

In any case, this happened on their Matrix. The XS Celica (with the stock ECU) had to turn down boost from 7.5 to 6 psi because of detonation problems.

you just answered that yourself...despite all that...they still blew their motor (on the 2zz matrix with new ECU) didn't they?

while the stock ECU just had detonation problems (on 2zz celica with stock ECU).

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by t2000gts


you just answered that yourself...despite all that...they still blew their motor (on the 2zz matrix with new ECU) didn't they?

while the stock ECU just had detonation problems (on 2zz celica with stock ECU).

Well, that's because the XS Celica was a showcar that was hardly pushed at all, while the Project Matrix was driven pretty hard. In addition, both cars had completely revised fuel systems with the return-style set-ups and new fuel pumps and fuel pressure regulators. So if you're gonna change your entire fuel system and drive your car as infrequently as a showcar, then feel free to use the stock ECU.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Well, that's because the XS Celica was a showcar that was hardly pushed at all, while the Project Matrix was driven pretty hard. In addition, both cars had completely revised fuel systems with the return-style set-ups and new fuel pumps and fuel pressure regulators. So if you're gonna change your entire fuel system and drive your car as infrequently as a showcar, then feel free to use the stock ECU.

possibly, from what i know the XS Celica was running low boost on street, and only upped it for dynoes and stuff.

that's what i would do too. sounds like SCC was going a little crazy with their Matrix :)

i wouldn't change my fuel system for a 5-6 (or even 7) psi supercharger. i'd get bigger injectors and an AFC.

actually i wouldn't even get a supercharger...nitrous adds as much power, has no strain on the engine when you're not using it, and there aren't any concerns with fuel problems either. plus it's so efficient, you don't need to really "tune" it perfectly, running rich like crazy would be safer than lean with that much power. i'd probably get a progressive controller to ease it on as well...

i'm seriously considering just getting built up internals matched to stock specs (new pistons, but still 11.5:1, and new rods/valves/...maybe resleeve if it ever becomes possible to do it properly what with the nikasil coating etc.) and spraying a 100-150 shot with retarded timing when spraying, bigger injectors (although i'm not even sure if this is necessary for direct port or wet), colder plugs, higher rev limiter (8500rpm)....and have my tranny rebuilt with a bunch more tougher clutch packs, atf cooler, valve body recalibration....3500rpm stall converter...this in addition to the intake, header, exhaust and MAYBE cams if they're ever made. the CHEAPEST part would be the actual power maker, so i can spend more money where it would matter more...making sure the engine can handle it.

so i'd have a 2ZZ that is tougher than stock and will last longer than stock without spraying. and when i do spray...i'd expect consistent 1.8-2.0 60' and probably somewhere in the 13s, or faster, i dunno what the auto GTS would do with that much power and good traction.

i honestly don't see the point of people spending such crazy money on superchargers/turboes and then tuning them, and leaving the engine internals mostly stock. i'd expect my tranny to die a whole lot sooner, then i'd swap in a 6-speed and rebuild the engine completely (or get a completely new one) and go completely n/a with crazy cams (hopefully by then, 2-3 years from now we'll have parts and i'll have money :p).

[XYRCNCP]

wow, nice discussion going on here......as for me, I'm still kinda torn......but I will know and make my final decision by year's end....

[Keyshawn]

t2000gts,
Wow, those are some REALLY expensive and ambitious plans you have for your Celi. Are you really gonna try all that stuff or is it a hypothetical plan. I'd be very impressed if you could really pull all that stuff off. Good luck with that, man.

[BadGTSBoy]

I havent posted much on the forums but I've been around since the beginning of time,since the Celica ezboard forums, hehe. I have an auto GTS and this upcoming Tuesday I'm taking it in to a local tranny shop to have it looked at. I'm having my torque converter stall speed upped and maybe get a firmer shift kit for it. In the mean time I got a back up car in the form of the WRX which is also an auto and will also have a higher stall speed after I get my celica done. I love both cars. Anyone have any suggestions about having my celica done or if its worth it or not? Sorry about the long post just wanted to make up for the lost posts.

[00BlackGT-S]

So does anyone have a confirmation on what is the problem? I'm thinking its a combination of both intercooler piping (which can be easily fixed) and the ECU problem. But again, this is just conjecture.

[dx3162]

Built internals with NOS is nice, and the TRD high compression pistons sound like a good idea as well...but can any of that compare to a GTS whistling at you on the street? An SC's whistle is almost as orgasmic as a turbo's BOV.