Mitsu 3000 GT

[ghostface]

hey whats up...this is in the wrong area but whatever....anyway i was just wondering about this car...i know that the 3000gt's stopped production in like 99 or 98..anyway i know there are 3 verisons of this car that u cna get i think..one is the 3000gt sl and there is a 300gt VR-4 and i dont know what the other is called if there even is one..anyway i raced an sl the other day and was wondering what the hp ratings on these are or the 1/4 mile times..i raced an sl and i smoked him pretty bad.this was when i was stock and i know he was a manual because i saw him shifting..anwya i was just wondering if i should have lost to him or what.,...btw i have a 2001 gt 5spd..
it was stock when i raced this guy

Ghost
p.s- im glad i smoked them because they pulled up next to me and laughed like they were gonna blow me away..anmd then after i smoked them they wouldnt look at me..hehehe..loosers

[red00celicabear]

nice kill man. yea, those 3000gt, are really damn heavy.

[BRAK]

havent raced one yet ... but i do love the styling to em. Especially when they got that Eclipse like loop spoiler. It reminds me of night riders car inthe year 2000.:cool:

[ghostface]

thanx..but what i really wanted to know is that..should i have really gotten smoked bad by this guy or are they not that fast also does anyone know any times for the different models of that car..

Ghost

[lnux-rhat]

Back in 1993 I owned a gt vr4 for 1.5 years.
The damn thing was a head turner, but so much sh*t busted!!!!!
That car is VERY heavy. I believe that non-turbo version of 3000gt does 0-60 in sub 8 sec.

I never regretted selling it ...

[ghostface]

wait are there only 2 verions of this car..the vr-4 turbo and the sl???

Ghost

[lnux-rhat]

Originally posted by ghostface
wait are there only 2 verions of this car..the vr-4 turbo and the sl???

Ghost

There were 3 versions:
3000gt - coupe - cheapest version
3000gt SL - convertible/ but they came out later/
3000gt VR4 - pricey - but goota love twin turbo and AWD, which sucked unbelievably in winter anyway!

I've seen a couple days ago a 98 gt3000 with 38,000 miles on it for 17k in Minneapolis. I think, it's a good deal for this car.
If you need a ph# of the lady who drives it, I can find it for you. :)
BTW, she works at some radiostation in MSP and is pretty famous.

[gts24]

About 1/2 a year ago I finally got to run an SL on the highway..... I FREAKING SLAUGHTERED HIM. The funny thing is, we go the same way to work on the same hiway still..... and he never ever even tries to pass me.


IF it were vr4.. I woulda been in his rearview, but he's drivin an SL, so buh bye.

[ghostface]

ahah yeah man ..this is the only car i've never really known anything about..i always thought that they werre overated....i mean my friedn used to own a VR-4 and it was fast..but people always say "OH MAN THE 3000GT IS BAD*SS .OH MY GOD" i mean theya re ncie cars..but i was the one that i thouight was gonna get slaughtered...ahahah now i can tell all those idiots with thirer 3000gt's the sl versions that they suck my n*tz...hahaha idk well that car looks phat though....yeah the guys after i beat them they didnt even wanna be near me on the highway..nor did they wanna look at me...but before they raced me they were laughin at me thinkin that the celi was slow...bet they got a surprize..heeheh

god kill though

Ghost

[MarkyMark]

twin turbo and AWD, I dont care if it got f*cked up every day, I'd get a second job just for a car like that...

[Blue Bomber]

1999 SPECS:

Base 3000GT
HP: 161@5500
TQ: 185@4000
Weight: 3131

3000GT SL
HP: 218@6000
TQ: 205@4500
Weight: 3263
0-60: 8.5

3000GT VR4
HP: 320@6000
TQ: 315@2500
Weight: 3737 :eek:
0-60: 5.5

[ghostface]

thanx chris...damn that thing is heavy....damn if they made it lighter it would be competing with the corvette and vipers...

thanx

[MarkyMark]

yeah, it's heavy...but it still can do 12's...there's a guy from that national 3000gt club doing 11's with a VR4

[02CelicaGT-S]

I dont think there is any STOCK 3kgt vr4 or stealth tt that will 12's stock. I had a blown 96 cobra and raced a modded tt and got @$$ raped bad. He beat me to 60 by atleast 10 car lengths. I pulled up to him and was going to ask him what he was runing, but the mofo just laughed and took off. Probably dadys car anyway.

[YOshi31]

there is a Vr-4 convertable it has 440 hp stock my buddy has one its green and well it has more than that now.. but yeah cost him what 40-50k for it dont remeber but yeah he had to choose from a SL vr-4 or wait 2 months for the convert and wait he did its hella fast and its a must to wear the seat belt when the top is down!!! you feel like your gonna fly out ! and and the convert has more hp than the hard top from what the dealer said and stuff. but thats alot more hp for a convert from the hard top so i think the dealer was lieing but yeah it prob has lot more now

[shourick]

i like vr4s

[borpph]

I beat an SL the other day as well. Smoked it! Badly. My friend that was in the car loves those and he just got sorta upset. But he understands it was an SL. It was modded a little. Had an exhaust and AEM Intake. Oh and forgot to mention the "Powered by Mitsubishi" banner on his windshield.

[Arghman]

My friend has a base GTO and it's pretty slow and it seems like it was designed really crappily. It looks huge on the outside but the trunk is like a damn miata and the back seats are like spherical so if your ass is big you can't fit for crap. The cockpit feel is really nice and the exterior looks dope, but the base model is just too underpowered to be worth anything!

[ghostface]

a GTO..i didn't think u could get them here in the states..or am i thinking of a different car....well anyway i hate poeple who are d*cks about it when they win..when i beat someone i say good race or soemthing like that and i usually end up talkin to them for like an hour on the side of the road...but if they are d*cks to me like those guys in the 3000gt were i'll be a d*ck roight back to tghem..other than that im cool with everybody on th road...

Ghost

[Blue Bomber]

US 3000GT = Japanese GTO

[ghostface]

oohhhh...wait isnt there a mitsubishi GTO in japan thats like the size of teh celica maybe and its got a small V6 in it...c'monm solmeone knows what im talkin about

Ghost

[Blue Bomber]

That's the FTO. Really sweet lookin. I'll find some pics.

[Blue Bomber]

http://www.japanese-imports.co.uk/cars/11-036fto001.jpg

http://autospeed.com/site/autospeed/images/0841_2lo.jpg

http://performancecars.orcon.net.nz/cars/car_specs/m/mitsubishi/fto_back.jpg

http://www.uniqueautosports.com.au/fto%20engine.jpg

BTW, it also used Mitsubishi's variable valve timing, called MIVEC

[ghostface]

thats it ..thanx i was a lil confusded...damn im messed up..i never have to ask what a car is..damn im slippin.hehe

thanx

Ghost

[Cash Money]

one's a sohc N/A= slow
mid-level dohc N/A= kinda slow
dohc TT VR-4 Spyder= fast
dohc TT VR-4 Coupe= very fast

just the build quality sucks...weights a very harsh issue on these cars...because of the poor power transfer ability of the VR-4's AWD and the dead over-weight of the car at launch, you'll see them more likely in the shop than on the road...

But they look pretty nice though and could be very very fast if APU+
Still no match for the JZA80's 2JZ-GTE...period :)

the FTO is a pretty cool car...too bad they won't bring that over...it's a cool lil' car...

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by lnux-rhat
There were 3 versions:
3000gt - coupe - cheapest version
3000gt SL - convertible/ but they came out later/
3000gt VR4 - pricey - but goota love twin turbo and AWD, which sucked unbelievably in winter anyway!

Nope, not right.

3000GT (base) - coupe (5M, 4A)
SL - coupe (5M, 4A), Spyder (I believe all SL Spyder's are automatics).
VR-4 - coupe ('91-'93: 5M, '94-'99: 6M), Spyder (6M)

Spyders were available in '95 and '96.

3000GT's
'91-'93: Base and SL had 222 hp, VR-4 had 300
'94-'96: Base and SL had 222 hp, VR-4 had 320
'97-'99: Base switched engines and went to 167, SL lost a couple due to emissions, VR-4 stayed at 320

167 hp -- 3.0L SOHC (engine for all base Stealths)
222 hp -- 3.0L DOHC
320 hp -- Twin turbo 3.0L DOHC

"which sucked unbelievably in winter anyway" :wtf:




Originally posted by Cash Money
just the build quality sucks...weights a very harsh issue on these cars...because of the poor power transfer ability of the VR-4's AWD and the dead over-weight of the car at launch, you'll see them more likely in the shop than on the road...

If you don't speak from experience, give it up. I have had zip zilch zero problems with my "sucky" build quality. Poor power transfer ability of the AWD? What do you expect when you're driving two more wheels? VR-4 drivetrain loss is around 25% (remember, all four wheels). Or are you talking about the transfer case? That really doesn't matter either seeing as how they are in the process of being recalled. Dead over-weight of the car at launch? Funny, guys still get great 60 ft. times. Oh yeah, AWD.

"you'll see them more likely in the shop than on the road..."

Sorry, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Do these cars require a lot of attention? Yes, twin turbos, AWD, AWS, and all the other gizmos and gadgets will do that for you. But as long as they're properly maintained and not abused (just like <b>any other</b> car), they ARE NOT more likely to be in the shop than on the street. If 6,000 RPM clutch dumps are a frequent occurance, however . . . :eek: I have yet to experience one, but I've heard it's insane.



Back to the original topic: the DOHC N/A's can run high 14's stock (low 15's much more likely, however). The DOHC bases will be slightly faster than the SL's due to less weight.

[lafaygts]

good kill

[larryd]

good info pensfan83 :)

[Griffin]

If you've never raced a modded Mitsu VR-4 anything don't write it off. Went to college with a guy who had a Gallant VR-4 that was an ultimate sleeper. (little crap-ass 4 door sedan looking thing) He ran low 10s in the 1/4 and was constantly racing the hicks in their stangs and Camaros with flowmasters for cash. It was the same 4cyl. AWD powertrain they used in the eclipse and DAMN could that car launch. We called it the frog because 1 it was green and 2 when he dumped the clutch it would just squat and get. My 89 MR2 got sooooooooo totally owned by him it wasn't funny. I mean it was over in the first second - were were racing on an deserted road on the ol' 3 horn beep method and despite me dumping at 6 grand with some nice fat sticky V rated Dunlops I was instantly looking at his tail lights... it was just unreal anbd in that moment I gained a VERY healthy respect for powerful AWD cars. Hence my current quest for a 92 Celica All-Trac Turbo in decent condition.

Not to mention that if your willing to spend teh bucks on one of those V6 VR4s you can make some pretty insane horsepower. The only trick is getting the Transmissions to hold together - we changed the one in that Gallant 3 times during my last year there and it was no picnic.

Griffin

[GTS LAID]

plus the vr4 spyder was the first ever hard top convertible... damn that thing was a beauty.. i got to ride in one .... i reallllly wanted that car...

did you guys know that the VR4 was the head on contender for the TT supra back in the day.... damn those days are gone... and the supra's still around ;)

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by YOshi31
there is a Vr-4 convertable it has 440 hp stock my buddy has one its green and well it has more than that now.. but yeah cost him what 40-50k for it dont remeber but yeah he had to choose from a SL vr-4 or wait 2 months for the convert and wait he did its hella fast and its a must to wear the seat belt when the top is down!!! you feel like your gonna fly out ! and and the convert has more hp than the hard top from what the dealer said and stuff. but thats alot more hp for a convert from the hard top so i think the dealer was lieing but yeah it prob has lot more now

no such animal stock.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by 02CelicaGT-S
I dont think there is any STOCK 3kgt vr4 or stealth tt that will 12's stock. I had a blown 96 cobra and raced a modded tt and got @$$ raped bad. He beat me to 60 by atleast 10 car lengths. I pulled up to him and was going to ask him what he was runing, but the mofo just laughed and took off. Probably dadys car anyway.

WTF?

what was your Vobra putting out timewise and power wise?

[Griffin]

Originally posted by SlasherX


WTF?

what was your Vobra putting out timewise and power wise?

I'm not that surprised, Mustang owners are notorious for dumping a ton into their engine and actually loosing time in teh 1/4 because the damn things hardly hook up stock. You need some serious suspension tuning before you can get one of those guys to transfer power to the pavement with any kind of reliability.

The VR4 on the other hand is all about traction and launch.

I mean I could be wrong but I've seen it happen before. Friend in highschool supercharged his 5.0 stang (which was already nicely tuned) and took it from a nice 12 second car to a high 12s, low 13s untill he got some new wheels tires and suspension to go with it... it was just too much power and no traction. He could do some really impressive burnouts though ;)

Griffin

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by larryd
good info pensfan83 :)

Thanks, Larry. BTW, I swear your car looks even better each day :)

Originally posted by GTS LAID
plus the vr4 spyder was the first ever hard top convertible... damn that thing was a beauty.. i got to ride in one .... i reallllly wanted that car...

I'm almost certain that it was not the first hard top vert. Let me dig through my email tonight for a link that one of the Spyder guys sent me. They are really, really, cool :)

Oh yeah, Dave's right about the 440 hp Spyder.

[Cash Money]

Originally posted by pensfan83


If you don't speak from experience, give it up. I have had zip zilch zero problems with my "sucky" build quality. Poor power transfer ability of the AWD? What do you expect when you're driving two more wheels? VR-4 drivetrain loss is around 25% (remember, all four wheels). Or are you talking about the transfer case? That really doesn't matter either seeing as how they are in the process of being recalled. Dead over-weight of the car at launch? Funny, guys still get great 60 ft. times. Oh yeah, AWD.

"you'll see them more likely in the shop than on the road..."

Sorry, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Do these cars require a lot of attention? Yes, twin turbos, AWD, AWS, and all the other gizmos and gadgets will do that for you. But as long as they're properly maintained and not abused (just like <b>any other</b> car), they ARE NOT more likely to be in the shop than on the street. If 6,000 RPM clutch dumps are a frequent occurance, however . . . :eek: I have yet to experience one, but I've heard it's insane.



Back to the original topic: the DOHC N/A's can run high 14's stock (low 15's much more likely, however). The DOHC bases will be slightly faster than the SL's due to less weight.

yea... how do you know i don't speak from experience... my mom's BF had two of these cars...a SL, and a VR-4...i don't remember the years but i could find out maybe if that'd make you happy...
poor power transferring ability, i'm refering that the drivetrain can't handle any sort of abuse...i know this from my mom's BF's VR-4 being in the shop much of the time(and not due to 6K sidesteps) it costantly had trouble with the transfer case and axels... not to mention the tranny itself... the cars very very heavy, and when you launch the car, it puts that much more strain on the drive train, thus **** breaks...you can't deny physics...I'm trying to say that weight is a negative for the car and it effects more than just the handling...

you even said it best... they're recalling... there ya go... i pointed out a prob and even though you're tryin' to diss me...you backed my point...thanks :D

so anyway, i'd think that maybe you outta think before accusing someone that they don't have any knowledge/experience... just because i own a Celica doesn't mean i don't have a passion for other cars... VR4's always drew my admiration for it's sexy looks and TT power... I'm in no means saying they're a horrible car... but their weight and shakey build quality (with the drivetrain) are major issues period...and no one will tell me different... and everyone knows Mitsu has had problems in general over the years with all their cars build quality and safety...just look at what they're doing to them in Japan how they covered up major probs and then got caught...

you did make valid points though... just you didn't understand where i was going with everything... and yes... i'm not deny'n that they could be turned into monsters...but when mags and the owners agree, i tend to listen...

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by Cash Money
yea... how do you know i don't speak from experience... my mom's BF had two of these cars...a SL, and a VR-4...i don't remember the years but i could find out maybe if that'd make you happy...
poor power transferring ability, i'm refering that the drivetrain can't handle any sort of abuse...i know this from my mom's BF's VR-4 being in the shop much of the time(and not due to 6K sidesteps) it costantly had trouble with the transfer case and axels... not to mention the tranny itself... the cars very very heavy, and when you launch the car, it puts that much more strain on the drive train, thus **** breaks...you can't deny physics...I'm trying to say that weight is a negative for the car and it effects more than just the handling...

you even said it best... they're recalling... there ya go... i pointed out a prob and even though you're tryin' to diss me...you backed my point...thanks :D

so anyway, i'd think that maybe you outta think before accusing someone that they don't have any knowledge/experience... just because i own a Celica doesn't mean i don't have a passion for other cars... VR4's always drew my admiration for it's sexy looks and TT power... I'm in no means saying they're a horrible car... but their weight and shakey build quality (with the drivetrain) are major issues period...and no one will tell me different... and everyone knows Mitsu has had problems in general over the years with all their cars build quality and safety...just look at what they're doing to them in Japan how they covered up major probs and then got caught...

you did make valid points though... just you didn't understand where i was going with everything... and yes... i'm not deny'n that they could be turned into monsters...but when mags and the owners agree, i tend to listen...

Wow, two of 'em. That's got to be a record :rolleyes: :D

Yes, the weak link in the VR-4 is the drivetrain. Specifically with the transfer case. Nobody will deny that. Hell, I admitted it by bringing up the fact that there is a recall that should be going into effect shortly if it hasn't started already (personally, I'm not keeping up with it right now).

"you even said it best... they're recalling... there ya go... i pointed out a prob and even though you're tryin' to diss me...you backed my point...thanks :D"

Yes, I know I backed you up. There are problems with the transfer case. What am I supposed to do, deny it? :wtf:

Why can't it take abuse? Because the AWD system is not favorable to launches (see last part of this paragraph). Yes, weight is a factor, but there are vehicles out there that weigh more than a VR-4 (I know, I couldn't believe it at first, either :p). And some of them have manual trannies, too. Yet, they don't have the same kind of problems. I think the problem lies more with the AWD. Two more wheels to start moving on a launch and the wheels won't spin when they do begin rolling. As a result, all of the strain that would normally be released through the spinning of the tires will take a toll on the drivetrain instead.

As far as the tranny, yes, Getrag may have dropped the ball a bit on that one, but it's really not that bad. The main problem that people have been complaining about has been the lack of replacement parts (resulting in having to replace the whole tranny), but I believe there will be some available soon.

Once again, you cited shaky build quality. I personally have seen no evidence of that in either my car or a VR-4 Spyder that's around here. Nor has it shown up in the majority of the 3S's over at 3Si.org. That being said, it's still no Honda or Toyota. Like you said, the drivetrain is where the problems are at. One component of the car. But to, in effect, label the whole car as having a shaky build quality . . . :rolleyes:

"and everyone knows Mitsu has had problems in general over the years with all their cars build quality and safety..."

I don't know enough about Mitsu's history with build quality to comment, but any statement that starts with "everyone knows" instantly makes me slightly skeptical.

As far as safety . . . five star driver's side crash rating, three star pass. side. Doesn't really sound like a huge safety problem with a five star rating. Just make sure you're driving :D

And what, exactly, is it that "mags and the owners agree" on?



Look, it's nothing personal, but when you make such bold, broad statements based upon your experiences such as "you'll see them more likely in the shop than on the road..." and "the build quality sucks..." then I feel obligated to respond with what the majority of the 3S community has experienced. It's because of bold, broad statements like that there is such a wealth of ignorance about not only the 3S's, but almost all cars.


Oh, and by the way, you might be interested to know that:

1) The RX-7's engine is sh!t because it blows up all the time
2) The Celica's tranny sucks @$$ because of all the misshifts
3) Mustangs fall apart no more than one week after purchase because Bobby Joe told me Billy Bob knew a guy who said so
4) S2000's are dog slow because they have no torque
5) Vipers can't handle their way out of a paper bag because they're big and crude

etc., etc., etc.

I hope you see my point

[Cash Money]

oh yea... i got your point... i was just making comment on those issues with the car... I'm not talking build quality as in interior or exterior, just mechanically, see above (drivetrain)...

as far as safety...i was just saying how Mitsu buried reports for years with problems that should've issued recalls especially since most were of major parts that impending on their failure, could endanger the drivers safety... i wasn't talking bout' the 3000GT/GTO specifically on that one... alot of it was with their cars in the mid-late 80's to mid 90's...

what i was commenting on what mags and owners agree on was the drivetrain issues and with such a heavy beast, it loses alot of nimble-ness that other cars in it's catagory have...(RX-7, Supra's, 300ZX, C4's and 5's) But even still despite it's weight, it still puts up very respectable #'s... just would've been better if Mitsu would've shed some of it's weight...

People sometimes speak to broadly... and maybe i should've rephrased the way i put into words... sorry bout' that... but with seeing first hand what happens with these cars, just by my mom's bf's cars and what he said about what the service dept told him... I have a very strong opinion on it... especially after having to drive him to the damn dealership all the time to pick up or drop off the car...

I see your points and understand what youre sayin', just try to see my points and understand where i'm coming from too... like i said... I love the cars design and it's power too...

oh yea... Mustangs fall apart no more than TWO weeks...:D ...juz kiddin', juz kiddin'...no need to flame...juz bein' a idiot...

and after taking my car in to get the tranny fixed once...just for it to go a second time and have a new one bolted up...i did say the tranny's suck in this car... but so far, so good, it feels alot better and i haven't had a single problem yet...(knocking on wood while crossing fingers and throwing salt over my shoulder)

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by Cash Money
oh yea... i got your point... i was just making comment on those issues with the car... I'm not talking build quality as in interior or exterior, just mechanically, see above (drivetrain)...

as far as safety...i was just saying how Mitsu buried reports for years with problems that should've issued recalls especially since most were of major parts that impending on their failure, could endanger the drivers safety... i wasn't talking bout' the 3000GT/GTO specifically on that one... alot of it was with their cars in the mid-late 80's to mid 90's...

what i was commenting on what mags and owners agree on was the drivetrain issues and with such a heavy beast, it loses alot of nimble-ness that other cars in it's catagory have...(RX-7, Supra's, 300ZX, C4's and 5's) But even still despite it's weight, it still puts up very respectable #'s... just would've been better if Mitsu would've shed some of it's weight...

People sometimes speak to broadly... and maybe i should've rephrased the way i put into words... sorry bout' that... but with seeing first hand what happens with these cars, just by my mom's bf's cars and what he said about what the service dept told him... I have a very strong opinion on it... especially after having to drive him to the damn dealership all the time to pick up or drop off the car...

I see your points and understand what youre sayin', just try to see my points and understand where i'm coming from too... like i said... I love the cars design and it's power too...

oh yea... Mustangs fall apart no more than TWO weeks...:D ...juz kiddin', juz kiddin'...no need to flame...juz bein' a idiot...

and after taking my car in to get the tranny fixed once...just for it to go a second time and have a new one bolted up...i did say the tranny's suck in this car... but so far, so good, it feels alot better and i haven't had a single problem yet...(knocking on wood while crossing fingers and throwing salt over my shoulder)



Okay, I think we're finally coming together on this :D Yes, that is one term that will most likely never be used to describe a VR-4: "nimble". And I can definitely understand how much of an influence personal experience can have on one's opinion. If I went by how much trouble my parents had with their Windstar, I could easily conclude that all Fords suc . . . hey, wait a second. Maybe that isn't such a great example ;) (j/k j/k j/k j/k j/k).

BTW -- nice car :) The Celica was really my first love I guess. I would love to have one.

[Cash Money]

ok cool... glad we're kinda on the same page now... personal experiences can def ruin your opinion on something... so sorry bout' the neg attitude right off the bat...

thanx for the nice car comment... my first love was actually a 1970 Mustang Mach 1... growing up round my granpa and uncles really influenced me... then my next love, and still to date is the MKIV... I would love to get any, but in specific, a 98 TT 6-speed white with black gut and of course Targa top... someday :(

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by pensfan83
I'm almost certain that it was not the first hard top vert. Let me dig through my email tonight for a link that one of the Spyder guys sent me. They are really, really, cool :)


Hey, better late than never, right:
http://retractable.free.fr/index.html (find your way to "History")

http://retractable.free.fr/pics/mi3000gt04.jpg
http://retractable.free.fr/pics/mi3000gt06.jpg
http://retractable.free.fr/pics/mi3000gt20.jpg

[GTS LAID]

so there were plenty of concepts and one offs.. but it was the first... at least first decent one :fawk:

[gts24]

Hey isn't that the one that ron was gunna buy. or was it that he bought it and didn't like it so he got rid of it? :chuckles:

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
so there were plenty of concepts and one offs.. but it was the first... at least first decent one :fawk:

I'll allow that :D