How you say "replace engine free" in warranty talk

[GTS LAID]

Hey Everyone...

Guess what... on my celi's 10K birthday (actually at 10,400) the engine is no more to be had. I dunno what the problemo was but I was going 3-4 and either I didnt get into 4 or got into 2 instead (no clue) but mr. engine shoots up to god knows how high.. comes back down starts to flutter (this is when the realization set it) and the about half a second later, CEL and 0 RPM.. good night eleanor.

I pull over, open the hood. and all of a sudden I hear *CRACK* ... Oh shnat.. what was that ( I think to myself)... That must be the head cracking from the cool down from the extreme temps that it was at 5 seconds ago (I have no idea what I'm talking about so thats what I said to myself). I didnt try to turn it on or anything. Just pushed the car to my friends house a mile away (it was 2 in the morning - no cars around) and watched a really bad movie (enemy at the gates-dont see it)

Anyway Toyota Hell starts on Monday morning for me.. this is where i get to test out that 2,000 dllar extra warranty I got shafted off my ass for, well see how far it goes. Anyway Wanted to add my boring blown up engine story to the board and ask you guys if you have any suggestions about the whole thing.. Primarily these are my concers (in no particular order):

1. What kind of stance should I take (ass vs niceguy, informed vs. no clue *mis-shift wats dat?*, threatening vs. passive? I'm not gonna really do much bull****ting cause I hate that, I'm gonna lay it on them straight that the only reason I got the 2000 dollar platinum 7 year warranty is because I knew of situations like this occuring and wanted to have myself covered.

2. The engine is obviously gone.. to what degree though? Have they been known to try to screw around and only try to fix it instead of replacing it. On the same note, what should I expect of tranny repairs, should i genuinely be concerned with the tranny's integrity being compromized?

3. What is the issue with the ECU? does new engine necessarily mean new ECU as well? because I would really really hate to have them put on that Shi*ty 02 ECU as I was quite happy with my 2000 one.

4. How many licks DOES it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll? maybe one of you know-all gurus can help me out on this one, cause its been bothering me for a while.. hehe.

Ok so activate flood control and hold on to your lug nuts cause this threads about to catch on fire... j/k thanks for all your help in advance guys.

Amjed


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[GTS LAID]

oh and P.S. the dealerships name is freehold toyota and they've been pretty good to me so far (except for stalling my car 3 times while pulling it into the fixing bay -- but we dont like to talk about that).

Just in case someone knew something about replacing engines there.

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[CgCelica]

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[GTS LAID]

hey thanks for replying cg

i read about this burnt rubber issue too.. should do that though... where does burnt rubber come from... When The engine blew I think I might have been in neutral (I thought there was fuel cutoff but still) cause there was no strain on the tranny and the car pretty much just coasted to a stop. Also should I reset the ECU.. but then it makes me look like i got something to hide.. which i really dont ...

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[GTS LAID]

Do you guys konw what I'm disappointed in most... today i was so excited about finally having my mp3 player (costing me about 900 bucks) installed that I went out and got some zaino stuff to do up the car.. shelled out $150 for everything from z1 all the way to z18 ... plus a weterblade thingie... now its sitting in my garage doing nothing ... sucks..

btw if you guys want to get this zaino stuff cheap then I can buy a couple of cases for a discount and ship it out in a GP sort of thing... should save us about 15% ... I'm going to test all their stuff and then put together a little package for all in one use.

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[X-EVIL-X]

just be nice and tell them what happened.
i played dumb, when this happened too me a year ago, and got totally new engine.
they had to call toyota and it took a long time sorting out things.
the bill was 4400 bucks.
if they say that they wont cover it then go find all the information you can on misshifts and thow it to them.
tell them you'll get a lawyer and they'll do it.
is this your first engine?
if it is then i wouldn't worry about it to much.
you just wont have your car for a while(3 months for me).
good luck and after you get it back take care of it.

[GTS LAID]

oh my god man.. 3 months thats crazy...

this is my first engine (its only got 10K on the car)... I'm gonna play it dumb.. as dumb as I actually am.. cause I dont really know what happened so I'm just gonna tell him what I heard/saw/felt.

I spent all night tonight gather mis-shift data and I printed out maybe 15 cases of mis-shifts similar to mine that were covered and had the name of the dealership and all. 2 of them are actually from this dealership that I'm going to. I'm not going to use this unless they start getting nasty with me...I'm actually a really patient person so I'll wait out the beaurecratic bull as long as it means getting everything done. As for transportation I'm not worried cause I can used my sisters car (she doesnt get her license till june)

Thanks for your reply X_Evil_X

Amjed

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[GTS LAID]

Hey everyone...

UPDATE:

I took the car to the dealership via flat bed tow truck... it was right when they opened up this morning. The service guy was really sleepy and was just like . "OK OK OK .. alright we'll take a look at it monday and let you know if its going to be in for a new engine"

I was ready to go all out too. I dunno maybe they'll try to pull something later but for now its all good.

P.S.

I saw 4 GT-Ss there are any from this site:

Black GT-S with Black rims and a US flag TRD badging

Blue GT-S with the CF rear lights (I thought it might me bluebombers GT-S)

And another 2 stockies in for service... the guy said there are 2 other celis waiting on engines... WTF is it really that big of a problem.

Anyway i'm gonna be pimpin my sisters new sentra SE hehe for the next 1 to 3 months.


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[Jeff]

This just happenned to a friend of mine. He drives a '00 GT-S 6speed. Blew the engine to all hell last weekend on a 3-4 miss-shift (put it in 2nd).

The engine is toast.

He's getting a new short block, a new clutch and they are fixing the engine head.

They will also *apparently* add a few parts on the shift linkage to make downshifting in 2nd a pain in the ass passed a certain rpm. Dunno if that's a legend or a fact.

Expect your parts to be at the dealer in 2 to 3 weeks. Parts are not backorder since this problem is SO widespread.

Once they got the parts, its 3 to 5 working days in labour.

So figure at most 1 month for the fix, prolly much less than that.

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[redcel180]

if its your "first time" (hehe) you should get it fixed for free (the extra warranty really has nothing to do with it). but expect anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks before you get your car back.

Brett

P.S. it'll never run the same....

[LaW]

How can you honestly say you don't know what happend??? It's pretty obvious that you misshifted man, unfortunately its your fault...just realize that http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smile.gif I've been there myself....but yeah you might be without your car for a couple weeks...I waited 2 weeks but i was lucky

heh that is kinda funny.. you say you dont know if you ended up in 2nd? how do you not know?

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[pensfan83]

Originally posted by GTS LAID:
and watched a really bad movie (enemy at the gates-dont see it)

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[X-EVIL-X]

Originally posted by redcel180:
P.S. it'll never run the same....

mine felt stronger when i got it back.
i bought the car with 120 miles on it and it was probally abused when it got the the dealer.
they put in all this new stuff and i drove it home.
my engine feels really strong and more than before.
i gave my friend a ride in it when i got it back and he said he felt it being stonger.
i dunno if it is or not for sure though.
but, i haven't had one single problem from this engine in the last year. they took way to long to get it back to me(3 months), maybe thats why there's nothing wrong.

[GTS LAID]

How can you honestly say you don't know what happend??? It's pretty obvious that you misshifted man, unfortunately its your fault...just realize that I've been there myself....but yeah you might be without your car for a couple weeks...I waited 2 weeks but i was lucky

I really dont know what happened... Its one of two things... either I shifted it into 2nd to blow it up or on my way down to 4th I pressed the gas too much, and if it got bogged in the shift gate then it would've stayed in neutral revved like mad. Its probably the first scenario cause I think theres a rev limiter even in neutral and theres no reason why it shouldn't have been working... Strange though I never really got anything close to mishifting this way.. usually its the classic 5-2 almost situation...

So figure at most 1 month for the fix, prolly much less than that.

yeah thanks for the info jeff.. I dont really care as long as they do a good job... worst case scenario I'll drive my sisters car as she doesnt have a license yet.

if its your "first time" (hehe) you should get it fixed for free (the extra warranty really has nothing to do with it). but expect anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks before you get your car back.
Brett

P.S. it'll never run the same....


It is my first time and my "first time"... I'm not worried anymore about them picking up the tab for repair... (knock on wood).. and the extra warranty actually paid for the towing to the dealership and it subsidizes a rental at up to $50 per day for the repair. so it does do a little... I'll probably go rent a car although i dont really need one, I'll switch through a couple of diff. cars just to see how they drive and stuff.

Oh and if it doesnt ever drive the same as it was I'll be the happiest celica driver out there cause it was going into the dealer every other week for problems before this.. so maybe it'll reverse things// hehe

heh that is kinda funny.. you say you dont know if you ended up in 2nd? how do you not know?

You think its funny that your fellow celica drivers dont know how to drive a 6spd properly... maybe you wanna get yo ass up here and we can mosey on down to E*town (0.5 mile away) and you can show me... huh.. huh... thats what i thought..... j/k

(enemy at the gates) What in the hell is wrong with you? That movie was awesome.

Umm.. to each his own.. but watching a movie that talks about the german russian conflict where the russians are all speaking in british accents just doesnt lift my cams if you know what I'm saying... besides the plot sucked and it was enormously inaccurate... and to top it all off there was the genuine taste of the hollywood heroic twist injected into it.

mine felt stronger when i got it back.
i bought the car with 120 miles on it and it was probally abused when it got the the dealer.
they put in all this new stuff and i drove it home.
my engine feels really strong and more than before.
i gave my friend a ride in it when i got it back and he said he felt it being stonger.
i dunno if it is or not for sure though.
but, i haven't had one single problem from this engine in the last year. they took way to long to get it back to me(3 months), maybe thats why there's nothing wrong.


You know what _evil_... if it takes them 3 months to fix my car then so be it as long as they *FIX* it. I bought my car with 110 mile on the odometer.. and I feel that whatever dumbass drove the car while testdriving it probably took out half the clutch along with it. This was part of the reason I got the car for really cheap (19,500 back in april).. although I did end up paying about 1800 for the added protection. My other choice was to by it new with std warranty. I felt that 100 miles wasnt that much and that any damage that couldve been done to it can be repaired. And i'm additionally protected until it becomes a piece of junk (warranty runs out in feb 2008 or 100,000 miles.. whichever comes first)... by then It'll be a piece of junk...

Aiight well there are all my replies... enjoy making fun of me some more.."HAHAHA how could you not know.. MWAAHHAHAHA"

-amjed

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[GTS LAID]

P.S. do you guys remember davids post last week about the rebadged GT... well guess what. I'm so proud of myself .. I picked it up.. car said GT-S on the back of it.. so I look at the rear windshield and I couldnt tell any differences (none that I can remember at least)... move down to wheels.. tell tale sign... oh oh.. aftermarket... ohh this guy is good... close inspection driving next to him at about 20 mph... NO CALIPERS IN THE REAR... OHHHHH SHMACK SON... busted... i gave him the finger for making our cars look slower than they are and drove off.. by the way i was in the s2000 so he prolly thought i was some toyota hater or something...hehe

oh and the other day on rt 9.. for those familiar with new jersey I went head to head against a kompressor (same day engine blew) It was NOO challenge.. and I dont even know how to shift (check above for proof) ... anyway thats not the cool part.. there was traffic backed up in the other direction and there were 2 celis .. a black pimped gts one and a white GT with a hot chick.. and guess what .. I got thumbs up from both of them... felt like a brother patting me on the back or somehting.. and the chick.. ohhh my god... i wanted to turn around and make it a 3 person little mini meet.. and then maybe a 2 person *not so mini* meet..

anyway i know it dont belong here but its related sort off.

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[LaW]

First off I'm pretty sure somewhere it got wrong that the 5-2 is the most common missshift, I've mostly seen 4-2 which is what i did and countless others have done. You went into second, and you'd know it...I honestly don't buy that you didn't know what you did but that it just did it...almost 100% of mishifts happen when you don't pay attention, you sir are proof of that http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smile.gif Good Luck...

[GTS LAID]

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yeah.. I was paying a lot of attention actually because I always pay attention when I'm driving... if it went into second i should have felt a significant jerk from the shock to the drivetrain .. there was no shock though.. the needle fluttered all by itself for 2 seconds then went to 0 and the car coasted to a stop.

(revise)
and the car doesnt mis shift itself .. i'm not stupid... maybe lacking a nimble right limb ... but definately not stupid.
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[Brett]

Hmm...Your a weirdo....

Generally I would feel....Safe, giving the keys to a fellow 6 speed owner, but you, my friend, would be an exception..

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[GTS LAID]

I wouldn't take your keys anyway.. its a white celi... i'm not down with white celis.. you can call it reverse discrimination or whatever you want... I can't rate my own ability against others who drive 6 spds but i first learned to drive 6 spd on my dads s2000... which was after I drove my 5 spd maxima.. so i can probably drive a manual better than 50% (or more) of the people out there.. As for mis shifting.. never even came close in the s2k and I drive it just as hard. It was my fault cause I was the one who put the shifter in the gear (if you subscribe to that theory), but i believe i'm quoting draper when i say that "its a double edged sword"... it should'nt have been that easy...

besides I really love the celica.. much more than the prelude and the integras and even the s2000 cause its raw... it gives you everything it knows without hiding anything and lets you decide what to do. For example.. the suspension is much more indicative of grip than that of the s2000. The s2k basically just snaps at you if you go overboard.. the celi gives you plenty of warnings ... there are other examples too of course... including the engine and how great it is...

Now let me also say this Brett.. I wouldn't hesitate twice about returning this car to toyota and losing money on it if the opportunity cost of keeping the car climbed higher than the marginal benefit of each additional day of driving it.

[kocheroni]

Go to them, act innocent, and just play nice. Just tell them that you downshifted, and honestly, if you act like u don't know what happened, they'll probably cover it. If they say they won't, then start talking about your warranty and don't give up. sooner or later they'll replace it.

[REdOX]

Originally posted by GTS LAID:
it gives you everything it knows without hiding anything and lets you decide what to do. For example.. the suspension is much more indicative of grip than that of the s2000. The s2k basically just snaps at you if you go overboard.. the celi gives you plenty of warnings ... there are other examples too of course... including the engine and how great it is...


That whole paragraph is soo weird. You're trying to make it sound like you know what you're talking about.

[GTS LAID]

No no no Redox ... if I knew what I was talking about I'd say something like:

"The celica is more of a driver's car when it comes to cornering feedback than the s2000. The limits of handling fall much shorter in the celica but not without prior warning. The understeer it gives you in the waining moments of a return-your-neck-to-the-upright-position turn is a subtly yet seriously taken warning that throttle and rotation correction are needed. The s2000 on the other hand, is more of the patient beast, carrying much higher limits but ending the exhiliration with abrupt snap oversteer if its limits are mettled with."

Thats how i would talk if i wanted it to LOOK like I THOUGHT I knew what I was talking about. but i DONT know what I'm talking about so i can NEVER really make it look like I do.. kinda confusing but if u read it 3 times your might see what i'm getting at. hehe.

I AM

GTS LAID

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[GTS LAID]

UPDATE:

Freehold Toyota is Replacing the Engine, Tranny, and my shifter... 6 weeks ETA, no problems at all.. service manager was very nice to me.

See telling them the truth does help.. The ECU showed that I blew the engine at 11,000 RPM at 84mph... i didnt reset it cause i didnt think i did anything wrong.. and they agreed..

Good for toyota they just revitalized another customer into their products.

Amjed

[REdOX]

I'm glad to hear it GTS LAID... Nice to hear that you will be back up and running 6 weeks from now. Tell us how it feels when you get her back http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[GTS LAID]

Thanks Redox I will.. .I'm also gonna stop by the dealership and thank the service manager just to be nice...