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Motor
07-09-2006, 12:22 PM
SOURCE (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17829)
MSRP:
328i - $35,300
328xi- $37,100
335i - $40,600

Invoice:
328i - $32,475
328xi- $34,130
335i - $37,350

Variants :
335i (turbo)
3.0L DOHC bi-turbo @ ~8.52 PSI (6 cylinder, 24 valve)
300hp / 300 lb-ft tq

0-60 - 5.3 seconds (manual)
0-60 - 5.5 seconds (auto)
Unladen Weight: 3571 lb.
Power-to-weight ratio: 11.9
Brake Diameter: 13.7 / 13.2 inches (front/rear)

328i
3.0L DOHC (6 cylinder, 24 valve)
230hp / 200 lb-ft tq (max tq @ 2750rpm)
0-60 - 6.2 seconds (manual)
0-60 - 6.8 seconds (auto)
Unladen Weight: 3351 lb.
Power-to-weight ratio: 14.6
Brake Diameter: 11.8 inches (front and rear)

328xi
*AWD version of 328i
Power-to-weight ratio: 14.9
http://www.e90post.com/forums/uploadedimages/e92coupeimage.jpg

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marc
07-10-2006, 07:47 AM
they just get heavier and heavier, about 100-150 lbs/generation

I'd even say the new 3 series is nearly size of the old 5 series

that said, the cars still handle beautifully and have a level of refinement blended with performance I've yet to find elsewhere (I can find cars with similar performance, or similar refinement, but not both in the quantities BMW can provide).

Also - this turbo engine should be incredible.. BMW makes a great motor.

Motor
07-10-2006, 07:45 PM
they just get heavier and heavier, about 100-150 lbs/generation

I'd even say the new 3 series is nearly size of the old 5 series

that said, the cars still handle beautifully and have a level of refinement blended with performance I've yet to find elsewhere (I can find cars with similar performance, or similar refinement, but not both in the quantities BMW can provide).

Also - this turbo engine should be incredible.. BMW makes a great motor.


is it too late for you to get rid of your Z4 and get one of these? or do you not like the new coupes body style? I'm sure it will be a performer, but the current crop of BMW's I have yet to warm up to.

twistedGTS
07-11-2006, 06:32 AM
I'm a big fan of bimmers but i'm really not liking this new style. The turbo engine is a big plus tho.

marc
07-11-2006, 08:27 AM
is it too late for you to get rid of your Z4 and get one of these? or do you not like the new coupes body style? I'm sure it will be a performer, but the current crop of BMW's I have yet to warm up to.

I don't want an overweight coupe

I love my little roadster.

Top down, music up.

Blue Bomber
07-11-2006, 04:03 PM
i'm really not liking this new style. The turbo engine is a big plus tho. .

LightningRod
07-11-2006, 06:58 PM
i'm really not liking this new style. The turbo engine is a big plus tho. .


:werd:

This new Chris Bangle style has yet to grow on me ... for the 3 series anyway ... but I love how the new 5s look ... and the new M5 ... :drool:

Motor
07-30-2006, 10:37 AM
The first BMW CC will share most of the design elements with it’s coupe brother. The side line will be a bit different, due to the three components retractable hard-top. For the same reasons the rear window will also be less skewed and closer to the vertical. The wheelbase will be the same as in the coupe, and therefore it will offer enough room for four persons.

The technical platform and the engine range will also be borrowed from the coupe. A new addition will be the 183 cui direct petrol injection engine, that will provide 272 bhp and is also praised to be economical. The new unit will feature braking energy recovery, a start/stop system and electrical power steering, all of this helping reduce fuel consumption. These new systems will also be featured on the rest of the engine range. The top model will be the 335i, with 306 bhp. The base will equip an 152 cui 218 bhp unit.

Scheduled for launch in October, the new BMW 3 Series CC will be available in show-rooms starting from March 2007. In late 2008 a convertible M3 is also scheduled.

Here you can see TopSpeed exclusive computer renderings created by our artist in order to give you an impression of how the production car will look, based on the information we have at this time.

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neological
07-30-2006, 04:01 PM
3 comments:

1. 3 series convertibles are ghey.

2. 4 seater convertibles suck ass. It's embarrasing to sit in the back with the top down. that car needs to be a foot shorter and have 2 less seats.

3. It will probably come in champagne silver and mint green.

LightningRod
07-30-2006, 11:25 PM
I don't like how the new 3-series coupes look. IMHO the Chris Bangle design is pulled off more nicely in the sedans. I'd rather have the 5-series. M5 of course. :naughty:

marc
07-31-2006, 08:17 AM
Seriously . . the 3 series coupe is hideous

the 3 series sedan . . . . I think it looks great. That and the old (E39) 5 series are two great looking 4-doors.

Motor
07-31-2006, 06:04 PM
1. 3 series convertibles are ghey.

Yes, I dont care if it's a M3 or a 328ci, the car screams "I'm not hetero."

I don't like how the new 3-series coupes look. IMHO the Chris Bangle design is pulled off more nicely in the sedans. I'd rather have the 5-series. M5 of course. :naughty:

The 5er is hideous, Bangle ruined the whole BMW lineup, IMO, the generation before it look elegant and tasteful. The new BMW's look like they could've been drawn by the artisits in Toyota's Scion division.

Seriously . . the 3 series coupe is hideous

the 3 series sedan . . . . I think it looks great.

Not nicer than the A4 or the IS.

marc
07-31-2006, 07:56 PM
Yes, I dont care if it's a M3 or a 328ci, the car screams "I'm not hetero."



The 5er is hideous, Bangle ruined the whole BMW lineup, IMO, the generation before it look elegant and tasteful. The new BMW's look like they could've been drawn by the artisits in Toyota's Scion division.



Not nicer than the A4 or the IS.

I think both of those cars look hideous. Like science experiments gone wrong.

LightningRod
07-31-2006, 09:34 PM
A4 is alright. But the new IS ... looks like a fcukin tC from far away ... :thumbdown

Motor
08-01-2006, 02:55 PM
A4 is alright. But the new IS ... looks like a fcukin tC from far away ... :thumbdown


I dont think I've ever confused a tC with the IS, their side profiles look somewhat similar, and that's about it. As far as, from a distance goes, maybe once or twice I may have thought a IS was a GS.

mukalicious
08-01-2006, 06:32 PM
the ken doll in the first pic gave it a double take.

looks horrible. rear end looks like a 6th gen celi. (no offense 6th geners.)

Zero
08-01-2006, 06:59 PM
The line on the sides of the car is disgusting. They make the rear end look small and much higher off the ground that the rest of the body.

And yes, the rear looks similar to a 6th gen Celica ST.

Motor
08-11-2006, 07:51 PM
FULL STORY (http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0609_2007_bmw_335i_dynamometer/)
The 2007 BMW 335i will be in showrooms next month, and is the first application of BMW’s new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. This is a big deal because BMW has had only two short affairs with turbocharged gasoline production cars--the 2002 Turbo in the mid-70s, and the E23 745i in the early 80s--and neither was sold in the U.S. As the saying goes, third time’s the charm.

BMW fit this new engine with two small-displacement turbochargers--instead of one larger unit--in an effort to reduce lag. And for the most part, it worked. Behind the wheel, you’re vaguely aware that this engine doesn’t have quite as crisp a throttle response as its normally-aspirated siblings do. But you don’t care--you’re too busy trying to hold on for dear life.

This is one hell of a motor, pulling smoothly and strongly from idle all the way to its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff. There’s no boost gauge, and since you barely hear the turbos spooling, it’s easy to forget they’re even there. Once you’ve adjusted to the slight lag in power delivery following big, sudden throttle openings, all you notice is the sound of that silky in-line six.

BMW says that this engine makes 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque. We were so impressed with its power that we couldn’t help wonder if that was a conservative rating. Wasting no time, I swiped the keys and drove to a local dyno shop to find out.

Test - M3 - 335i
0-60 - 4.8 - 5.1
0-100 - 11.5 - 12.7
0-110 - 14.5 - 15.6
0-120 - N/A - 18.6
0-140 - N/A - 28.2
1/4 mile - 13.4@105 - 13.6@104
peak g - 0.7 - 0.68
30-70 (6th) - 14.7 - 12.5
30-70 (3rd) - N/A - 6.5

70-0 - 162 - 150
Peak g - 1.12 - 1.12

BMW's back on top, again.

NoRulzAt140 Mph
08-12-2006, 09:27 AM
I actually lve every new BMW design. Then again, I am biased as I have always thought BMW's were the best machine ever produced.

homeworld1031tx
08-12-2006, 01:16 PM
The only knock on this car I have is, is that it's ugly. It's not nearly as nice or easy on the eyes as the previous coupe.

+1

The rear end looks like a bad mix of the new lexus look plus a 7series

LightningRod
08-12-2006, 11:54 PM
Then again, I am biased as I have always thought BMW's were the best machine ever produced.


+1

I don't really like how the new 3 coupes look, but my bias forces me to like them.

SilverBullet GTS
08-18-2006, 04:25 PM
I think this car is ****in perfect! Im finished.

marc
08-19-2006, 03:43 PM
sweet

just imagine when you raise the boost with a chip

Motor
09-16-2006, 11:40 AM
335I EVOtech ECU Upgrade
SOURCE (http://www.dynocomp.com/bmw.php?view=bmw)
EVOtech is the first to release the 335i Twin Turbo ECU upgrade.
HP jumps to an amazing 375hp!

Stay tuned for our 400hp turbo upgrade!!

NEW !!!

325i E90
EVOtech ECU
Re-Flash

INCREDIBLE No BS!!! 325i E90:
+40 Wheel HP
+44 Wheel TQ

State-of-the-art programming by Dyno-Comp in conjunction with EVOtech engineers in Germany modify "Valvetronic" maps, the fuel maps, timing maps, and throttle response.

:drool:

LightningRod
09-16-2006, 03:47 PM
Damn, 300hp/300lb-ft with a sexy dual exhaust?! :drool:

marc
09-17-2006, 09:37 AM
I'm more interested in this
NEW !!!
325i E90
EVOtech ECU
Re-Flash
INCREDIBLE No BS!!! 325i E90:
+40 Wheel HP
+44 Wheel TQ

as that's the engine I have in my Z

anarchy69
09-17-2006, 05:04 PM
Ok let me just say i test drove this beautiful baby yesterday and o my god it is amazing!!!!!!

homeworld1031tx
09-18-2006, 05:50 PM
well im not sure if this is completly tuned. from what i have read in last months motor trend (and from what you [motor] posted a week or two ago) the bimmer makes like 360 off the lot stock. so bumping it up to 375 doesnt seem that impressive. of course, if the tester car that the car magazines had were indeed upgraded with some sort of ecu reflash that made it go up to 360 just for the test, and they do sell them at 300 stock, than this is a damn impressive mod.
on another note, i went up to a bmw dealer today (and a toyota one, just got back from them 10 minutes ago) and while we were at the dealer i took a look at the new 335i in person. for all the people who say the pictures are crap but in person they are nice...they are wrong! its disgusting!

Motor
09-26-2006, 07:13 AM
[QUOTE]C/D: FULL STORY (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11731/2007-bmw-335i-sedan.html)
The secret is under the hood, which shelters a twin-turbo version of the 3.0-liter inline six. With both turbos generating max boost—about 8.5 psi—the six twirls up a robust 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque.

Paired with the standard six-speed transmission, this is sufficient to propel the 3616-pound 335i to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, with essentially no turbo lag—the tiny hesitation between the time the driver punches the throttle and the onset of full boost. That’s a tenth quicker to 60 mph than was the slightly lighter 335i coupe, an advantage the sedan held through the quarter-mile (13.5 seconds at 106 mph).

There’s no question that the 335i sedan carries forward the class-leading dynamic standards established by the 330i—smooth ride quality, right-now responses, laser-precise steering, powerful, fade-free braking—amplified by a superb new engine that generates big horsepower and, arguably more significant, an abundance of torque delivered over a curve that’s as high and flat as a mountain mesa.

BMWs don’t come cheap, and the 335i sedan is no exception. On the other hand, it starts at $39,395, which is $1900 cheaper than the less-practical coupe. And you could look at it this way: the 335i delivers performance comparable to a current M3, with a lower pricetag, the added convenience of four doors and a more civilized persona that’s easier to live with day in, day out.

Suddenly the 335i looks even more attractive. And the word outstanding suddenly seems a little feeble.

Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $44,445 (base price: $39,395)
Engine type: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve inline-6, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 182 cu in, 2979cc
Power (SAE net): 300 bhp @ 5800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 300 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm

Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length/width/height: 178.2/71.5/55.9 in
Curb weight: 3616 lb

Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.8 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 26.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
[b]Standing

LightningRod
09-26-2006, 08:35 AM
What's there to discuss? That's fcuking sweet!

NoRulzAt140 Mph
09-26-2006, 02:42 PM
The Magazine I got says its under rated. I dont remember if it was dyno proven.

marc
09-27-2006, 01:21 PM
it is underrated - they've been dynoing around that TO THE WHEELS

honestly, if this car didn't weigh 20billion pounds, I would seriously consider it as my next car.

marc
09-27-2006, 01:22 PM
oh yeah - another thing - that direct injection engine responds like crazy to mods - just a simple ECU tweak will net around 370 whp - for $1000 - you have a budget M3 right there . . . . won't handle like an M3, but with the $20,000 you save, I'm sure you can invest a little to sort the suspension and aerodynamics out to your likings.

neological
09-27-2006, 06:57 PM
Like all new 3 series, it's fugly.

Every Bangle BMW but the new 3 series is beautiful. They had to make the 3 as bland as possible so they could sell 23412412 billion of them to yuppies and brandwhores worldwide.

Motor
09-27-2006, 08:01 PM
Like all new 3 series, it's fugly.

Every Bangle BMW but the new 3 series is beautiful. They had to make the 3 as bland as possible so they could sell 23412412 billion of them to yuppies and brandwhores worldwide.



IMO, Bangle f'ed up the whole lineup -- they're all ugly as sin. The new models wont age gracefully like all of their previous generations.

neological
09-27-2006, 10:13 PM
In my opinion before Bangle got there BMWs looked like modern-day Nazi staff cars designed by the luftwaffe. The Bangle designs have a lot of soul and originality. When i first saw his 7 series I thought that it was the only good looking luxury car I had seen in years. Most people hate it though so my taste in BMWs tends to run counter to popular opinion.

Motor
09-28-2006, 07:26 AM
In my opinion before Bangle got there BMWs looked like modern-day Nazi staff cars designed by the luftwaffe. The Bangle designs have a lot of soul and originality. When i first saw his 7 series I thought that it was the only good looking luxury car I had seen in years. Most people hate it though so my taste in BMWs tends to run counter to popular opinion.

I know that most people buy the lower end base models of the BMW lineup, they buy because it's a status symbol; these people are crying to the world, "Hey look at me, I've made it," or "Hey look at me, I want you to think I've made it." I've only met a few humble/nice BMW owners, most I've come across are complete as$holes that think they're drivings G*ds chariot in their automatic 325i/525i. I dont understand why you would call the previous generation "Nazi" inspired BMW's. I find the previous generation of the current lineup to be classy, elegant and understated. To be fair, I think the Bangle designs only work well with the SUV's, namely the new X5; the X3 cant be helped it's cheap and ugly, and people for whatever reason want to buy them. Thankfully, we're all entitled to our opinions. :)

marc
09-28-2006, 09:46 AM
I like the E30 M3, E36 coupe, E90 sedan, E39 sedan, Z4 (of course), and those crazy old shoe shaped M coupes that weighed nothing yet had the 333 hp M3 engine shoehorned in there.

I honestly think the E46 are the blandest cars ever made by BMW.

neological
09-28-2006, 03:55 PM
I dont understand why you would call the previous generation "Nazi" inspired BMW's.

This wasn't really a dig at BMW for their Nazi activities, the last gen BMWs (to me) did have a old-school fascist design feel to them. My "Nazi Company" digs are almost exclusively reserved for Volkswagen and Porsche who were true Nazi collaborators. BMW was just an engine/motorcycle company that got brought into the war.

http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/volkswagen.jpg
Hitler sketches what will be known as the cutest car ever!

The rounder more streamlined look visually reminds me of Luftwaffe airplanes and Wehrmacht/Panzer bikes (built with Dachau-sourced labor) which BMW helped build and engineer (well, mostly just the engines on the planes). The old 3 series seemed to harken back to that kind of style, the clean soft lines looked old school plane-like to me. In my mind old-school plane + bmw = Luftwaffe.

Motor
10-13-2006, 09:20 AM
SOURCE (http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee94f37)

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marc
10-13-2006, 10:14 AM
4 seat convertibles are for hairdressers

Burrcold
10-13-2006, 10:17 AM
Don't like it at all.

neological
10-13-2006, 11:01 AM
The gheyest thing ever:

Sitting in the back seat of a 4 seater convertible.

Motor
10-13-2006, 08:47 PM
4 seat convertibles are for f4gg0ts

Fixed it for you.

The gheyest thing ever.

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LightningRod
10-14-2006, 12:49 AM
That's worse than the 6-series convertible.

:puke:

Motor
10-14-2006, 06:42 AM
That's worse than the 6-series convertible.

:puke:



Is that even possible?

nippon jet
10-14-2006, 08:45 AM
Nice

LightningRod
10-14-2006, 10:08 AM
That's worse than the 6-series convertible.

:puke:

Is that even possible?

It is now.

wtcnbrwndo4u
10-14-2006, 11:51 AM
Doesn't look like a BMW at all. It killed it.

Motor
10-24-2006, 03:47 PM
[QUOTE=PRESS RELEASE]The new BMW 3 Series Convertible

Innovative folding hard-top roof
World’s first Sun-Reflective leather upholstery
All-new petrol engines with High Precision Direct Injection
World’s first convertible car with through-load luggage storage

Spring 2007 marks the introduction of BMW’s new 3 Series Convertible. Available initially in 325i and 335i guises, but followed closely by smaller engined variants and diesel-powered models, BMW’s new open-top will deliver the ultimate in performance and refinement thanks to a number of innovations. Featuring the first electronically operated folding hard-top roof offered by BMW, the world’s first car to be offered with SunReflective seat cooling leather and a brace of all-new powerplants, the 3 Series Convertible is set to remain the segment leader.

Model
Price OTR
Power
hp
Torque Nm
Zero – 62mph seconds
0 - 62
Top speed mph
Combined
mpg

BMW 325i Convertible

emotart
10-24-2006, 04:03 PM
im with you i hate almost all convertibles... only one i like is the Elise

Blue Bomber
10-24-2006, 07:09 PM
Elise = targa top.

Burrcold
10-24-2006, 07:38 PM
uuu-gly!

marc
10-24-2006, 08:03 PM
4 seat convertible = gay.

folding hard top = unneccessary weight, there to satisfy hairdressers.

those new engines are ALL very interesting - 40 mpg inline 4, 270 hp non-turbo straight six, and a diesel are all SWEET, plus that twin turbo is awesome.

Direct injection is so cool.

Motor
10-24-2006, 09:02 PM
335i convertible VIDEO (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/24/video-new-bmw-3-series-folding-roof-in-action/#more-4301).

Motor
10-25-2006, 09:28 PM
[QUOTE]Autoexpress: FULL STORY (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/motoringpreviews/203415/bmw_3series.html)
Despite a huge amount of demand, BMW has never built an M3 Tour*ing – until now. OK, so the new 335i Touring doesn’t officially wear the fabled M badge, but in terms of performance, it packs an M3-sized punch.

Boasting the same twin-turbo 3.0-litre straight-six as the two-door 335i tested in Issue 929, the load-lugger will cover the 0-60mph sprint in less than six seconds and return 28.8mpg on the combined cycle, too.

But headline figures fail to tell the whole story. The powerplant has 400Nm of torque on tap from only 1,300rpm, and that gives this lifestyle estate awesome acceleration anywhere in the rev range. There’s no need to change down – simply plant your foot and hang on.

All the attributes that have made the standard 3-Series Touring our class favourite remain intact. The 460-litre boot is well thought out and comparatively spacious, the seats fold easily, the driving position is excellent and all the controls work smoothly.

The ride on the 18-inch wheels is firm, but if you want to save money and take a more gentle approach, go for the 335i SE at

marc
10-25-2006, 09:35 PM
looks like a matrix on steroids

J-Easy
10-25-2006, 09:41 PM
hmmm not bad :)

neological
10-26-2006, 08:12 AM
Fugly.

That lower lip is hideous. Looks like an Audi.

http://www.allaguida.it/wp-galleryo/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-ix-sw/mitsu_lancer_evo_ix_sw_2.jpg
It makes this look good by comparison which I never thought possible...

marc
10-26-2006, 08:58 AM
that's the $595 carbon fiber front splitter option.

Motor
11-14-2006, 03:59 PM
3 Series 335xi Sedan
FULL STORY (http://www.bmwmsp.com/bmw/military/sales/program/bmw-300xi-sedan.html)
This is the time we are expecting the launch of one of the best sports sedans in the compact luxury market.

With vast improvements on the the standard interior features and many additional options to create the unique vehicle, why bother looking any further than the 335xi Sedan.

It just got a little bit better. :thumbup:

Motor
11-14-2006, 04:25 PM
SOURCE (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36409)
http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/11/schnitzer_e92.jpg

homeworld1031tx
11-14-2006, 07:10 PM
Does anyone have any specs on it? Any performance mods or is it all cosmetic?
And those rims aren't too great imho

LightningRod
11-14-2006, 07:30 PM
That better be a chipped 335i. :evil:

LightningRod
11-14-2006, 07:45 PM
:drool:

I'm starting to really like the 3 series.

marc
11-14-2006, 07:48 PM
BMWs usually add 200 lbs to include their AWD system, and it increases the forward weight distribution 1-2%

so this would slant the 335xi to about 3800 lbs and 54%/46% . . . . . we'll see. I'd take the regular coupe with some 295s out back and 255s in the front (normally 225/255 on sport package) unless I planned on making ridiculous amounts of power.

Motor
11-15-2006, 09:17 AM
http://members.home.nl/bhamers/20102006489.jpg
http://members.home.nl/bhamers/20102006490.jpg
http://members.home.nl/bhamers/20102006491.jpg

marc
11-15-2006, 12:21 PM
only $40,000 over MSRP for the full AC Schnitzer package which provides a powerful 4 hp boost due to extensive carbon fiber intake ducting and exhaust work, and a rock bottom 25 mm drop.

homeworld1031tx
11-15-2006, 02:18 PM
only $40,000 over MSRP for the full AC Schnitzer package which provides a powerful 4 hp boost due to extensive carbon fiber intake ducting and exhaust work, and a rock bottom 25 mm drop.

you're forgetting the exclusive AC Schnitzer rims...gosh... :rimshot:

Motor
11-27-2006, 01:15 PM
edmunds: FULL STORY (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669/pageId=105654)
What Works:
Insane twin-turbo engine, sleek yet stealthy styling, spot-on steering and handling, better fuel economy than we have a right to expect, civilized ride.

What Needs Work:
Our robot arm seatbelt-proffering device came apart.

Bottom Line:
BMW has created the ultimate all-around sport coupe.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.bmw.335i.coupe/07.bmw.335i.act.1.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.bmw.335i.coupe/07.bmw.335i.misc.2.500.jpg

Burrcold
11-27-2006, 06:38 PM
I test drove one this past weekend. Was not all THAT impressed. Especially since the price tag was well over what the G Coupe costs. The rear end kills the look of the 3 coupe IMO.

marc
11-27-2006, 06:50 PM
this is the car I lust after, seriously - attainable daily driver

375 hp TO THE WHEELS from Vishnu with just a chip upgrade so far

marc
11-27-2006, 06:51 PM
I test drove one this past weekend. Was not all THAT impressed. Especially since the price tag was well over what the G Coupe costs. The rear end kills the look of the 3 coupe IMO.

Ben (Neological)'s dad test drove one too (sedan) and chose the IS350 over it.

I don't care - I love this car!

I think the rear end looks great, especially compared to the sedan.

The new G coupe should match this car initially . . . but once its chipped, no way - and the G coupe will never touch the BMW's slalom poise.

elcelicagts
11-27-2006, 07:02 PM
yep, its one hot ride thats for sure.

Motor
11-29-2006, 09:16 AM
After being on the market for a few short months, Hamann has launched the newly designed Tuning and Aero program for the BMW E92 3 Series Coupe.

At 300 Horse Power BMW boasts that the E92 is the most powerful 3 series ever built. This is achieved by a newly designed highly fuel efficient 3.0L Twin Turbo Inline 6.

Like BMW, Hamann Motorsport has completely revamped their aerodynamic program for the ’07 models. Hamann Motorsport’s new designs are elegantly crafted to enhance the coupes natural lines.

The front spoiler is designed to add a DTM Race inspired look but at the same time it helps to enhance BMW’s OEM grill-work. Replacement side skirts have also been made to accentuate the natural curves and lines shown through out the body. Hamann also gracefully lifts the rear end of the vehicle by adding a roof spoiler and a rear wing that slightly arches over the rear deck.
http://www.gmpperformance.com/CFJFiles/GMP/9315.jpg

marc
11-29-2006, 12:12 PM
I like Hamann and Schnitzer (and Kellener for the M-Bs) but they just charge WAAAAAAAAAAY too much.

Carbonized_GT
11-29-2006, 12:54 PM
Can they chop the rear off the previous gen 3 series onto the new ones? :rimshot:


IMO the new ones are hideous from the rear.

Front looks nice though.

GrimIndustries
11-29-2006, 01:11 PM
Just not a fan of the new ones.

Radi0active Man
11-29-2006, 01:13 PM
Too busy, I think it looks just perfect stock.

omabramo
11-29-2006, 01:22 PM
^ what they said

the kit looks good, but should be better from them, instead of what looks like a front lip kit.

the sides are nice though

homeworld1031tx
11-29-2006, 08:42 PM
Can they chop the rear off the previous gen 3 series onto the new ones? :rimshot:


IMO the new ones are hideous from the rear.

Front looks nice though.
That's the exact opposite of what i thought. While i agree that stock the rear is ugly, I like this setup (especially with the quad exhausts) from the rear. Front looks bad in my opinion because the lower grill looks cheap, and the bottom slit-lip spoiler looks gross :puke: . But yea stock the rear end is hideous. Actually, stock, the entire E92 looks gross. We can only hope that the 2008 M3 will be better looking.

rogergts
11-29-2006, 09:23 PM
Man, I'm sorry but I love the New E92 coupe. Lines are edgy with the rear smoothing it out. I'm considering trading my TSX for one this coming year most likely. This kit looks sweet but is $$$.

Motor
12-21-2006, 09:01 AM
NEW 2007 BMW 3 SERIES CONVERTIBLE TO BE FIRST PRODUCTION CAR TO OFFER MULTICAST-CAPABLE HD RADIO (tm) RECEIVER
SOURCE (http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_1163.shtml)
Announcement Extends BMW's Leadership Position Among Auto Manufacturers In The Rollout Of Digital AM And FM Radio

Woodcliff Lake, NJ - December 20, 2006... BMW continues to expand its pioneering position in providing high-quality audio systems by offering a factory-installed digital HD Radio receiver with FM multicasting capability as an option in its innovative new 3 Series Hardtop Convertible. HD Radio technology is one of the most significant advances in radio broadcasting history, providing listeners with enhanced digital audio quality and clear, noise-free reception, as well as multicasting and on-screen text information. The HD Radio multicasting feature allows FM stations to broadcast multiple channels of digital programming simultaneously on a single frequency.

Of the more than 1,000 stations across the country broadcasting with HD Radio technology, more than 500 FM stations are offering a second (HD2) and, in many cases, a third (HD3) multicast channel. For example, WAMU in Washington, DC, offers three channels: 88.5-1, a simulcast of its news/talk analog channel; 88.5-2, a simulcast of an innovative Baltimore music station not available in DC; and 88.5-3, bluegrass music. These channels are free but can only be found on HD Radio receivers. As with all HD Radio programming, there are no fees or additional costs associated with multicast channels.

The number of HD Radio stations is growing daily and expected to exceed 3,000 within the next few years. A current list of HD Radio stations and multicast stations can be found at:

http://www.hdradio.com.

Today's announcement continues BMW's history of groundbreaking premium audio offerings. In August 2005, the company announced the first OEM availability of HD Radio technology in its 2006 7 Series models. BMW then followed up in November 2005 by extending the HD Radio option to drivers of its 2006 6 Series vehicles. This past June, the company announced that HD Radio would be offered in its 2007 5 Series models.

The HD Radio option on the all-new 2007 BMW 3 Series Convertible will have a Suggested Retail Price of $500.
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/uploads/bmw_news/006__scaled_600_003_001.jpg

neological
12-21-2006, 09:13 AM
Wow, I can listen to NPR in high def in my hairdressermobile!

marc
12-21-2006, 04:09 PM
WAMU is actually the AU radio station

neological
12-22-2006, 07:58 AM
Look directly south of the "npr" logo.

http://www.npr.org/

Motor
02-09-2007, 07:30 PM
edmunds: FULL STORY (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 )
What Works:
Massive low-rpm grunt, spectacular exhaust note, lots of performance for the money.

What Needs Work:
Would benefit from suspension mods and stickier tires.

Bottom Line:
A huge drivability and performance improvement for a reasonable price.

Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 340 rear-wheel horsepower
Torque (ft-lbs @ rpm): 390 lb-ft at the wheels

.

marc
02-10-2007, 02:43 PM
some people are claiming more in the region of 375 hp

it would benefit from a god damned limited slip differential . . . . mother****ing BMW I swear . . . . who the hell puts an open diff on a car with that much power and then prays to the gods of traction control that everything turns out ok?

I think the correction is the 420 hp, m-differential, beefy braked, stiff suspensioned M3 - with that car costing $45,000 once you're optioned up, and a fully optioned new M3 coming in probably under $60,000, I'd say wait for an E92 M3 to depreciate after a year or two and pick one up.

neological
02-10-2007, 02:47 PM
M-Differential...BMW has to brand everything.

marc
02-10-2007, 10:04 PM
M-Differential...BMW has to brand everything.

Due to improved traction, the driver can accelerate more consistently on surfaces with varying coefficients of friction. The new system improves both handling and driving stability, enhancing safety and driving pleasure at the same time.

Developed jointly by BMW M GmbH and GKN Viscodrive GmbH, the Variable M Differential Lock offers superb traction in demanding conditions. In conjunction with the Dynamic Stability Control system and 50/50 weight distribution, the new M3 delivers handling in slippery conditions formerly regarded as impossible with a rear wheel drive sporting car.

Here's how it works:

Every car has a differential to compensate for the different distances covered by the inside and outside wheel when cornering. Performance-oriented cars have used limited slip differentials for many years. The limited slip differential limits loss of traction by locking the planet gears when one of the two drive wheels threatens to slip, for example, on a wet patch of road. But in more extreme driving conditions, the benefits of the differential lock are limited.

The Variable M Differential Lock recognizes the differential speed building between the driven wheels and generates pressure in an integrated shear pump. This pressure activates a multiple plate clutch via a piston, and conveys drive forces to the wheel with better grip, according to the difference in wheel rotation speed. In extreme cases, the entire drive forces may be transmitted to the wheel with a better frictional coefficient.

Once the difference in wheel rotation speed reduces, pump pressure is reduced accordingly and the locking action decreases. The pump system is maintenance free.

neological
02-11-2007, 08:32 AM
That's just a viscous coupling differential lock. It's been around since the early 80s. Their's is just active and that's been around since the early 90s.

Instead of just calling it an active locking rear diff they just call it the "M Differential," where "M" probably stands for "marketing."

marc
02-11-2007, 06:27 PM
whatever it is, it works

drivers claim its really good in the snow

Motor
02-14-2007, 10:28 AM
SOURCE (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/14/bmw-3-series-m-sport-package-revealed/)
BMW has launched a new M Sport package for the new 3-Series coupe and convertible. Offered on all engine variants, M Sport cars come with a raft of additional equipment as standard compared to an SE model.

An M Aerodynamic body styling package gives the car a sportier look, while Sport suspension with a stiffer, and 15mm lower, setup provides a more focused ride.

All models come with 18-inch M star-spoke light alloy wheels as standard with a differently styled 19-inch M Double-spoke light alloy wheel as an option. High-gloss Shadow line exterior finishes to the window surrounds is also a standard feature.

Inside, all M Sport models feature Sports seats upholstered in Blue Shadow cloth Alcantara, Individual anthracite headlining, M designation door sill finishers and a short-shift M gear lever with a perforated leather gaiter and handbrake lever. A Brushed Aluminum interior trim and M leather steering wheel complete the package.

M Sport models are traditionally a popular choice for BMW buyers. On six-cylinder-engined 3 Series Coupe and Convertible models they account for more than three-quarters of all sales. The introduction of this latest generation of sports model is expected to maintain this ratio.

M Sport model cars are only available in a choice of four metallic colors (Titanium Silver, Black Sapphire, Le Mans Blue, Sparkling Graphite) and two non-metallic colors (Alpine White, Crimson Red).

.

marc
02-14-2007, 10:46 AM
M3 > M Sport

neological
02-14-2007, 11:53 AM
This car = http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/770000/images/_774715_patcash300.jpg

marc
02-14-2007, 12:17 PM
I'm going to guess BMW will charge $4000 or so for this package as well.

with 0 increase in performance.

Motor
04-04-2007, 08:04 PM
WALD (http://www.wald.co.jp/)
http://i10.tinypic.com/3008suw.jpg

Burrcold
04-04-2007, 08:46 PM
Love it, but I'm sure the price tag would make me gag.

marc
04-04-2007, 08:54 PM
VIP styled bavarian . . . . . beautiful

dennis
04-04-2007, 10:02 PM
:drool:

Motor
07-21-2007, 05:19 PM
HAMANN BMW 3-Series Convertible
SOURCE (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/21/hamann-does-up-the-3-series-vert-massages-engines-across-the-b/)
• Sportier aerodynamic kit
• Power boost for 320i, 325i, 330i, 330d and 335i
• Three different wheel designs in 18-20 inch, lowered suspension
and improved brakes
• Stylish interior with sports steering wheel, aluminum parts and carbon fiber

Further information to the extensive HAMANN tuning range is available at website

www.HAMANN-MOTORSPORT.de
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/ham3ser_vert-001.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/ham3ser_vert-005.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/ham3ser_vert-006.jpg

silverCELICAgt-s
07-21-2007, 05:33 PM
is it just me or do the wheels looked photoshoped in some of the pics.

Abactus
07-21-2007, 05:41 PM
hamann rocks but i don't like convertibles ...

homeworld1031tx
07-21-2007, 06:03 PM
at least its less over the top than some of their other crap...they need new wheels too :wtf:

marc
07-21-2007, 06:29 PM
they take some of the gay out of an uber-gay car

and DAMN those are some awesome numbers out of that diesel
272 hp and 600 nm torque (that's 442.5 lbs-ft) at 2000 rpm

I want to drive that engine

LightningRod
07-22-2007, 01:03 AM
Meh.

I hate how the 3-series convertibles look. It just look too damn skinny and lacking in the rear / trunk area.

Burrcold
07-22-2007, 08:21 AM
meh

looks like a surfboard from the side profile

GSBoek
07-22-2007, 08:29 AM
Is it just me or does the rear really look like a Sebring's?

TRDoug
07-22-2007, 08:35 AM
HAHAHA, IT DOES!!!! I think the rear needs a lower lip/splitter or something, the front and sides are pretty low, then the back end is way up in the air.

LightningRod
07-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Is it just me or does the rear really look like a Sebring's?


Haha, nice call.

GT_RyderZ
07-22-2007, 07:01 PM
HAHAHA, IT DOES!!!! I think the rear needs a lower lip/splitter or something, the front and sides are pretty low, then the back end is way up in the air.


NASCA cars bother !!!

neological
07-23-2007, 07:27 AM
hamann rocks but i don't like convertibles ...
Hamann is where awesome cars go to be turned into jackassmobiles. Also, none of their bodykits ever fit right (see sideskirts) and they need to stop taking pictures in front of that shed out back.

That front lip is terrible.

mike325ci
07-23-2007, 12:54 PM
:bang:

i wasn't feeling the E90s to begin with, this just made it worse. :puke: the lines on it are waaaay too busy now. i hate the new rears of the E90s, looks like bangle copied them off a kia.

and they took the photos in the back shed cos even they are embarassed to show this car in public. put it back in the shed and :bang: it out of its misery while you can. but before you do that, send the engine to me, i can use it-- kthnxbai :)

Motor
10-15-2007, 06:29 PM
[QUOTE]EVO: FULL STORY (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/210542/vauxhall_vxr8_v_bmw_335i.html)
'How big is the engine?’ asks the filling station attendant. He nods appreciatively when I tell him it’s six litres and delivers over 400bhp. This is the third time today I’ve answered this question and it makes me think that maybe Vauxhall has cracked it this time.

The previous Griffin-badged Holden, the Monaro, didn’t attract this much attention, even though the 6.0 VXR version had a near-identical outsize V8 and a similar bargain price. But the value of that softly styled and rather impractical coupe was much less easy to grasp than that of the new VXR8. This is a BMW M5-style saloon for 335i money.

And on the other side of the pumps sits an M Sport 335i, although it appears not to exist in the company of the big black Vauxhall because, as well as being built on a larger scale, the VXR8’s slightly menacing looks hoover up all the attention. In profile there’s a hint of Lotus Carlton about it, but its best angle is almost dead-on rear, the muscularity suggested by its tall rump enhanced by the glimpse of swollen wheelarches and the glint of 19in alloys down its flank.

It doesn’t look much for

atrac7GTS
10-15-2007, 06:42 PM
the G8 i heard is going to be pretty sick, from what i've read...i'm slightly interested in it and i think my dad voiced opinion into getting one, but more than likely i'll convince him in the end not to go american and grab something euro ;)

Burrcold
10-15-2007, 06:45 PM
Considering the article says the 3 series is a better "drivers car", relieves all merit from this comparison.

Red Falcon
10-15-2007, 10:29 PM
Considering the article says the 3 series is a better "drivers car", relieves all merit from this comparison.
.

marc
10-16-2007, 06:29 AM
they must have seriously muffled that car because I've heard the LS2 and it rumbles

Motor
04-15-2009, 02:39 PM
Update!

RS35 Biturbo
FULL STORY (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090415.012/rdsport-rs35-biturbo-based-on-e92-bmw-335i)
For those wishing to increase the performance of an already stellar platform, RDSport offers the RS35 Biturbo.

The first impression you get of the car is its lower, more aggressive stance courtesy of a Chassis Kit consisting of new custom-valved Bilstein struts, stiffer springs and anti-roll bars. The vehicle now sits 25 mm lower in the front and 20mm lower in the rear with a decidedly more stable ride. Filling the fenders are lightweight, 20" RD2 Monoblock wheels or the optional 20" RS2 multi-piece wheels, shown. Tires are P Zero Nero's supplied by Pirelli, our development partner.

Engine performance includes electronic modifications to increase boost and optimize fuel and timing. A free-flowing intake and a larger, more-efficient intercooler help supply enough air. Exhaust gasses run through a larger exhaust that terminates in stainless sport silencers with quad tips. These modifications result in an increase in horsepower and torque to 414 bhp and 404 lb/ft - more than the V8 powered M3!

The under hood area is finished with a blue engine cover with RDSport crest. These numbers are merely the result of a long development period including TUV homologation. Any tuner can offer a black box upgrade for the vehicle, but how many can say that their modification has been tested and can include the upgraded speedometer and wheels and tires that the homologation requires.

Bodywork is an evolution of RDSport's signature Tornado aerodynamics. The revised carbon front bumper offers larger openings for better engine and brake cooling with an exposed carbon housing for fog lights. Deeper side skirts and revised rear apron with quad exhaust cut outs add to the aggressive look while a roof and trunk spoiler smooth out the airflow over the car.

Interior upgrades include the RS Pedal Set in machined aluminum, aluminum hand brake cover, logo carpet set, the aforementioned upgraded speedometer with logo and RDSport crests in the steering wheel and shift knob.

Each complete vehicle built by RDSport includes a vehicle ID badge and VIN specific build sheet.
http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/4/large/3596386.jpg
http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/4/large/3601231.jpg

Motor
05-26-2009, 05:20 PM
FULL STORY (http://www.motorauthority.com/bmw-unveils-single-turbo-n55-six-cylinder-engine-for-new-2010-5-series-gt.html)
BMW’s current N54 series straight-six engine is one of the most praised engines in the industry today, having taken out the coveted International Engine of the Year award last year and appearing in a vast array of BMW models.

The N54 features a twin-turbocharging system, as well as direct-fuel injection and BMW’s own Valvetronic technology, and in its most potent configuration develops up to 326hp (243kW) at 5,800rpm and 332lb-ft (450Nm) of torque from as low as 1,500rpm. BMW’s new variation on the engine, labeled the N55, is based on the same basic engine block and valve system but only sports a single turbocharger. It is the world’s first engine to combine turbocharging, direct fuel injection and fully variable Valvetronic valve management developed by BMW.

Peak output is still a healthy 306hp (225kW) at 5,800rpm and 295lb-ft (400Nm) of torque from an even lower 1,200rpm. Furthermore, the new N55 is also said to be more fuel-efficient than the N54 though no independent test results have been produced.
http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/b/m/bmw_n54_engine_main630_1119_630x360-0526-630x360.jpg

Win.

Rich814
05-26-2009, 05:55 PM
:drool:

GSBoek
05-26-2009, 06:33 PM
Looks like two turbos to me. :shrugs:

jlitman
05-26-2009, 07:22 PM
So it makes less power and less torque than the previous model, although torque peaks about 200 RPM earlier. Unless the gas mileage is amazingly good by comparison, I'm not really impressed :shrugs:

marc
05-27-2009, 06:52 AM
single turbo = less weight, better pumping efficiency, better fuel economy, less costs, more simplicity

keep in mind - this motor has the valvetronic (variable valve timing and variable camshaft lift), the twin turbo did not have valvetronic, and this motor is still direct injected like the last one - so its like a direct injected, single turbo VTAK motor.

You will see fuel efficiency improvements from the addition of valvetronic alone.

I'm excited.

Carbonized_GT
05-27-2009, 08:48 PM
Hmm.

Is anyone else a bit surprised that Japanese companies were able to produce the same HP and TQ out of I6s almost 20 years ago?

Not taking away from the technical achievements BMW has done, but shouldnt HP be higher for what it is? Granted the power band is 10x better than the OG I6s but still. I want more.

marc
05-28-2009, 06:56 AM
Hmm.

Is anyone else a bit surprised that Japanese companies were able to produce the same HP and TQ out of I6s almost 20 years ago?

Not taking away from the technical achievements BMW has done, but shouldnt HP be higher for what it is? Granted the power band is 10x better than the OG I6s but still. I want more.

Keep in mind, this is going to get 30+ mpg. Direct injection, single turbo, valvetronic. My Z4 which had merely valvetronic and a tall 6th gear managed 32 mpg on the highway.

If you want to talk about 20 years ago, Toyota was still on their 3rd gen Supra which got maybe 20 mpg and made far less power (200-230). BMW was busy screwing around with their V12 and the E34 M5, both making well over 300 hp without turbos. They had stopped turbocharging in the 70s and didn't start turbocharging again until a few years ago because they realized they simply couldn't improve naturally aspirated performance without seriously increasing displacement, or going with forced induction.

Toyota's legendary I6TT came out in 93.
Nissan's V6 TT was out in 90.
Mitsus V6 TT was out in 90 as well.

Nonetheless, all of these "modern" Japanese engines were barely making as much horsepower as Porsche had been squeezing from their single turbo, 3.0 liter motor - since the 70s. Want to talk about a contemporaneous twin turbo motor?

http://albums.modelbrouwers.nl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10008/993turbo.jpg
This bad boy was making a full 400 hp, without the benefit of water cooling.

Lets compare contemporaneous cars - in the late 90s, BMW was banging out over 300 hp from a straight six with NO turbos in the E36 M3 Evolution. Honda was doing the same thing with their NSX.

Meanwhile the Americans were getting 30 mpg from a 350 hp 5.7L V8 by sticking a huge 6th gear in that let it cruise at 1500 rpm @ 60 mph.

All the Japanese turbo motors were vanishing because they were complex, expensive, and got terrible fuel economy. Look at the modern 300 hp Japanese turbo motors - they're still lucky to see 20 mpg - most owners will report averages of 18-19 mpg.

With the advent of direct injection, VAG and BMW have jumped on turbochargers again because direct injection improves fuel economy, reduces lag, and allows smaller motors to run bigger turbos.

I would love to see the Japanese play around with direct injection again, but due to environmental regulations they seem to have abandoned turbochargers in most of their vehicles (we've got Subarus, two Mitsubishis, a $70,000 Nissan, and a Honda SUV).

It seems like the Koreans are carrying the torch now.

Carbonized_GT
05-28-2009, 07:31 AM
Toyota's legendary I6TT came out in 93.
Nissan's V6 TT was out in 90.
Mitsus V6 TT was out in 90 as well.

I was more thinking RB26. So, late 88'.

I think you have further proved my point. That engines of yore produced more hp with caveman technology while today we have an engine packed with technology that barely touches what its ancestors can do.

Granted it will get better gas mileage and have majority of its torque before the older designs.

GSBoek
05-28-2009, 07:43 AM
It's just that today's focus is more on fuel economy.

The 3.0l 2JZ-GE was long Toyota's jewel 6, in its best form it managed 225hp/217lb-ft. When Toyota introduced the GR V6 family, the 3.0l 3GR-FSE with direct injection trounced the 2JZ-GE handily by putting out 245hp/240lb-ft while also getting 15% better fuel economy.

I'm quite sure that if today's engines were designed for power, they'd produce more power at the same fuel economy ratings of the old engines.

Carbonized_GT
05-28-2009, 09:26 PM
But this engine is from BMW. The company that claims it makes the Ultimate driving machines.

You'd think that it would concentrate more on power.

marc
05-29-2009, 07:18 AM
But this engine is from BMW. The company that claims it makes the Ultimate driving machines.

You'd think that it would concentrate more on power.

BMWs cars have always made less power than their competitors - they focus on a balanced vehicle (power, handling, economy, reliability, comfort, technology) which is how they always wind up on top.

I can honestly say that my BMW ownership experience was the most positive ownership experience of any vehicle I've ever had.

The__J__Factor
05-31-2009, 06:04 PM
I was more thinking RB26. So, late 88'.

I think you have further proved my point. That engines of yore produced more hp with caveman technology while today we have an engine packed with technology that barely touches what its ancestors can do.

Granted it will get better gas mileage and have majority of its torque before the older designs.

RB26 was for the GTR, which was supposed to be super car like performance and race oreintated ect. It had the best enigne they could make.
The 335i bmw is cruiser family car with a wall of torque thats easy to drive. So if you wanted to compare the GTR to something it would have to be BMWs performance version, which would be the m3 and that is making great power NA. With stock M3s putting down around 350whp NA and modded ones around 400whp.
Or even if you look at the last M3 engine NA ones are making 300whp and most of the turbo M3s are all over 500whp with about 4 making just over 1000whp.

But really why does power have to keep going up, what family car has to do 1/4mile in under 14sec?

TRDoug
05-31-2009, 06:17 PM
But really why does power have to keep going up, what family car has to do 1/4mile in under 14sec?

ALL of them :gap:

Carbonized_GT
05-31-2009, 09:00 PM
RB26 was for the GTR, which was supposed to be super car like performance and race oreintated ect. It had the best enigne they could make.

I realize that it was for the R32. I have to disagree saying that it is the best engine they could make at the time. They obviously slacked IMO.


The 335i bmw is cruiser family car with a wall of torque thats easy to drive. So if you wanted to compare the GTR to something it would have to be BMWs performance version, which would be the m3 and that is making great power NA. With stock M3s putting down around 350whp NA and modded ones around 400whp.
Or even if you look at the last M3 engine NA ones are making 300whp and most of the turbo M3s are all over 500whp with about 4 making just over 1000whp.

But really why does power have to keep going up, what family car has to do 1/4mile in under 14sec?

A car that claims its the "Ultimate Driving Machine" needs to have the very best they can do in any situation and against any competition. Or thats what I believe.

I am in no way discrediting BMW from making an astounding car & engine. I am just questioning on why they feel to hold back.

The__J__Factor
05-31-2009, 09:40 PM
I was just saying that engines have moved forward but different classes of cars have different standards.
Like normal family cars now have the same power or more as a 15 year old sports car, and sports cars now have the same power as a 15 year old super car, and super cars are now just insane.

Motor
10-14-2009, 08:18 PM
Comparison Test
[QUOTE]Edmunds: FULL STORY (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=158806?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3 .*)
So now the 2010 Audi S4 is here to take another shot. It's all-new this year and the old V8 is gone. There's now a supercharged V6 in its place, along with a lower price designed to better align the S4 with the BMW 335i.

The BMW 3 Series may start just below $34,000 on the low end, but once you add the 300-horsepower twin-turbo 3.0-liter engine

Carbonized_GT
10-14-2009, 08:30 PM
I would take the 335i as well. The price of the Audi is insane.

yodaddyguido
10-14-2009, 08:45 PM
it would be a toss up for me. audi won me over with the r8's design, but ive got a soft spot for bmw from a 530i i once owned... ive still never driven a car with a smoother manual gearbox, and my 530 was a 94. i can only imagine what either of these brands drive like today.

terrj
10-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Audi's looks is just unbeatable but the price is just meh....I'd rather spend all that money on the Nismo 370z.

Carbonized_GT
10-14-2009, 10:38 PM
I just built a S4 to my taste, the grand total was $57,450. Then I decided, for sh!ts n giggles, why not build a M3 Sedan to my specs. Well I did, and it totalled out to $57,600. Now i'm sorry but when a S4 is in the same pricing bracket as a M3, somethings a bit off. Audi needs to take another look at their finances and work on them.

SilverCelly37
10-15-2009, 01:46 AM
i've always been a huge fan of the S4. Still am.

GSBoek
10-15-2009, 04:51 AM
My mind knows better, but I'd still get the S4.

marc
10-15-2009, 07:09 AM
Unfair competition - they need to compare a 335xi.

Also - getting more boost from the Bimmer is a LOT easier than getting it from the Audi.

Finally - anyone notice that the 335i sedan they tested weighs as much as the 535i sedan?

Motor
10-24-2009, 11:38 AM
anyone notice that the 335i sedan they tested weighs as much as the 535i sedan?

Nope. And that's not a good thing.

+1

2010 Audi S4 vs. 2009 BMW 335i - Comparison Tests
Audi ices a mighty 3 by shedding price, and even power: The bash takes place in a 50-grand neighborhood, with a couple of Germans getting all cross-eyed on force-fed stimulants.
Car and Driver: FULL STORY (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q4/2010_audi_s4_vs._2009_bmw_335i-comparison_tests)
Second place: 2009 BMW 335i
With the 3-series, BMW taught the world what a proper sports sedan should be. Why should it surprise anyone that it’s getting beaten by its most earnest student?
First place: 2010 Audi S4 Quattro
Audi’s S4 is king, but uneasy is the head that wears a crown. A new 3-series is coming in 2011, and we don’t believe that BMW has forgotten how to learn, either.
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2 for 2 for the S4.

Motor
01-16-2010, 05:45 PM
Update!

The New 2011 BMW 3 Series Coupe and Convertible
PRESS RELEASE (http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/01/2011-bmw-3-series-coupe-and-convertible_16.html)
BMW has announced substantial enhancements to the 2011 3 Series Coupe and Convertible, including outstanding style updates for 328i and 335i models and a new engine for 335i models. The 2011 3 Series Coupe and Convertible models will go on sale in Spring 2010, and pricing will be announced closer to the on-sale date.

Fundamentally unchanged are each car's essential attributes of rear-wheel drive (xDrive is available on the Coupe), near-perfect 50-50 weight distribution, remarkably precise steering, and skillfully engineered suspension...all of which conspire to produce the uniquely satisfying driving experience that is quintessentially BMW.

All-new is the engine for the 335i model. Internally designated the "N55," this turbocharged, all-aluminum engine features essentially the same "short block" and 3.0-liter displacement of its predecessor, but benefits from five additional years worth of development and refinement. The result is an engine that is more responsive, more fuel efficient, and cleaner-running than its outstanding predecessor, but preserves the previous engine's output and soul: 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque, and a 7,000 rpm redline. The 6-speed manual gearbox – beloved by North American enthusiast drivers - remains standard, and the well-known 6-speed Steptronic automatic is optional, now featuring "pull-style" shift paddles on the multifunction steering wheel.
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Give me the coupe, all day, every day, any damn day. The LED halo's look decent.

Carbonized_GT
01-17-2010, 08:53 PM
I like the previous 335i coupes front bumper better.

marc
01-18-2010, 06:48 AM
so they're staying with the TT instead of going with the more efficient twin-scroll single turbo?

Motor
01-18-2010, 10:11 AM
so they're staying with the TT instead of going with the more efficient twin-scroll single turbo?

It depends on what you want. Meaning, the updated 335i is now powered by new the single-turbo N55 power-plant and the upcoming 335is carries over the existing TT N54 engine, but dialed-up for more power.

Carbonized_GT
01-18-2010, 11:36 AM
Sooo.

The 335is gets 330hp & 370tq while the 335i only gets 300hp & 300tq.

What the deuce?

Motor
01-19-2010, 04:12 PM
What the deuce?

Yup.

335i: N55, single-turbo with 300hp
335is: N54, twin-turbo with 322hp

Update!

Vorsteiner V-MS BMW 3 Series (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/vorsteiner-v-ms-aerodynamic-package-for-the-e92-bmw-3-series-ar83584.html)
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201001/vorsteiner-v-ms-aero_800x0w.jpg
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2011 BMW 3 Series M-Sport package
FULL STORY (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/01/19/photos-2011-bmw-3-series-coupeconvertible-sporting-the-m-sport-package/)
The front and rear spoilers, along with the side skirts are also ordered separately as an M aerodynamics package and could not be combined with other equipment for the M Sport package. The M-Sport packages offers three different light-alloy wheels in 18 and 19 inches. As usual, upgraded M sport suspension and the BMW Individual High Gloss Shadowline are included as well.
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/09_1920x1200_bmw_3series_coupe2-655x409.jpg
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Nice.

Motor
01-20-2010, 11:09 AM
Update!

2011 BMW 335is
FULL STORY (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/01/20/breaking-news-2011-bmw-335is-first-photos/)
The 2011 BMW 335 Coupe and Convertible will be offered in the “is” version as well, an upgraded model with 324 horsepower at 5,900 rpm and 332 lb-ft in “regular mode”; an electronically-controlled over-boost function can briefly increase torque under full load by another 37 lb-ft bringing the torque peak to 369 lb-ft.

The BMW 335is will also have the option of a DCT transmission.

It uses the same upgraded N54 six-cylinder turbocharged engine.
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Over-boost. Sweet.

Redline
01-20-2010, 07:52 PM
The x35is/overboost still pales in comparison to the aftermarket software upgrades available today.

Motor
01-20-2010, 08:21 PM
Dinan? Vishnu?

Redline
01-21-2010, 01:57 AM
Dinan? Vishnu?

Probably all of them. There has to be at least 5-10 aftermarket tuning options available for the N54 these days.

I went with Dinan for the warranty and their HQ is only 20 minutes from where I live so it's convenient.

Motor
01-22-2010, 05:43 PM
I went with Dinan for the warranty and their HQ is only 20 minutes from where I live so it's convenient.

That makes perfect sense.

I'm a little surprised their HQ's are in NorCal.

2011 BMW 335is: Official Specs (http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2011/2011-bmw-335is-official-specs-photos-revealed.html)
Pricing will start at $50,525 including delivery charges for the 335is coupe, and $59,075 with fees for the convertible.

The BMW 335is is the crown jewel in the newly enhanced BMW 3 Series coupe and convertible lineup. The new model features BMW's twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-6 engine, tuned for 320 horsepower and 332 pound-feet of torque. This is the same engine used in the Z4 sDrive35is, where it's rated at 335 hp.

The car channels its power through a standard six-speed manual transmission, although an optional seven-speed dual-clutch automated manual will also be offered. The seven-speed tranny also offers launch control, which allows the engine to achieve a 10-second burst of up to 370 lb-ft of torque.

BMW says the 335is coupe will close the 0-60-mph gap in 5 seconds flat when equipped with the optional transmission. The convertible version is two-tenths slower.

Consistent with the general 2011 updates across the entire 3 Series lineup, the 335is also receives new high-depth LED taillights, new xenon adaptive headlights with LED-lighted corona rings, and the new hood, which integrates a freshened BMW kidney grille.
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$50K is too much, IMO. I'd rather spend a little more and just get the M3.

Motor
05-21-2010, 03:56 PM
Update!

Dinan S3 BMW 335i (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q2/dinan_s3_bmw_335i-specialty_file)
Crank up the boost! Dinan pumps up BMW's 335i to 408 hp.

PRICE AS TESTED: $71,547 (base price*: $66,198)

Part of what makes the whole thing so exceptional is that, despite the dramatically increased performance, almost nothing is sacrificed except for a ride that’s more brittle and too harsh for our Michigan roads. But the steering is still linear, and nothing has been lost in the way that forces build up; there’s zero nervousness, dartiness, or tramlining; and, astonishingly, the tuned car even weighs 66 pounds less than our last stock 335i. Plus, the S3 335i meets 50-state emissions regs, and Dinan matches BMW’s four-year/50,000-mile warranty. In fact, we couldn’t help but think that Dinan’s chassis tune is probably closer to the BMW ideal. And that’s saying something.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/reviews/car/10q2/dinan_s3_bmw_335i-specialty_file/gallery/dinan_s3_bmw_335i_3.0-liter_twin-turbocharged_and_direct-injected_inline-6_engine_photo_49/3635499-1-eng-US/dinan_s3_bmw_335i_53_cd_gallery.jpg
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Motor
09-02-2010, 08:19 AM
Update!

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