New 350Z Track here I come...

[FalGra]

Well guys... I think I'm going to go try Nissan out a bit, the new 350Z is scheduled to be released here in August, so I think I might check it out, and possibly get the Track model. NA V6 almost 300HP and 250lbs torque.. in a car just over 3k lbs... can we say mid 5's stock, oh and possibly 12's in quarter with minor mods? Nissan engines are bullet proof... imagine what a nice turbo will do!

[EzRidA]

Good luck.

[PorkchopSpecblue GT-S]

I heard 280 hp but I could be wrong.

[gts24]

It'll be interesting to see what that cars potential is. I personally am not sold on its looks, but it's a decent car nonetheless.

[djm221]

Originally posted by FalGra
oh and possibly 12's in quarter with minor mods?

I don't think so.
It will be a great car, but probably not as great as all the hype.

[SlasherX]

if you want 12's n/a you're picking the wrong car, IMHO


if you want a straight line drag car, you're also picking the wrong car, IMHO.

the Z is a well all around sports car in every sense of the word. Honestly, I may take a look at one myself, but I'm pretty sold on a v8 mustang.

[gts24]

Originally posted by SlasherX
if you want 12's n/a you're picking the wrong car, IMHO


if you want a straight line drag car, you're also picking the wrong car, IMHO.

the Z is a well all around sports car in every sense of the word. Honestly, I may take a look at one myself, but I'm pretty sold on a v8 mustang.

I agree. I think that hype is always overblown with a lot of cars.

The cobra will be an awesome machine. I am wondering however, how that iron block is gonna affect things?

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by gts24


I agree. I think that hype is always overblown with a lot of cars.

The cobra will be an awesome machine. I am wondering however, how that iron block is gonna affect things?


the cobra's iron block will hurt handling at the limits, since the weight distribution is no longer near 50/50 like most mustangs are.

BUT, it also means the motor isnt going to blow up when people swap out pulleys on them. imagine a iro block, with forged steel crankshaft, manley h beam forged rods, and forged pistons, all stock.

and the things only running 7 or 8 psie. you knwo damn well that motor will hold 15 psi with EASE.

*awaits 500rwhp+ bolt on Cobra's*

[gts24]

Originally posted by SlasherX



the cobra's iron block will hurt handling at the limits, since the weight distribution is no longer near 50/50 like most mustangs are.

BUT, it also means the motor isnt going to blow up when people swap out pulleys on them. imagine a iro block, with forged steel crankshaft, manley h beam forged rods, and forged pistons, all stock.

and the things only running 7 or 8 psie. you knwo damn well that motor will hold 15 psi with EASE.

*awaits 500rwhp+ bolt on Cobra's*


We are going to be seeing some outrageous times outta that thing when people start modding it.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

All i can say is... RX-8... 11,500 rev limiter... 280 horses

[gts24]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
All i can say is... RX-8... 11,500 rev limiter... 280 horses

RX-8 looks like an s2000 that got slapped around too much. I'm not really into the looks of that car either.

And longetivity of the rotory engine is an issue here as well...............

[larryd]

the RX8 can rev to 11,500?? good lord

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
All i can say is... RX-8... 11,500 rev limiter... 280 horses

if rotary is your thing, then go for it. for the mass american market, it wasnt the first time around..

give me pistons or give me death! lol ;)

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by larryd
the RX8 can rev to 11,500?? good lord

its a rotary.

i doubt itll have anything worth bragging about during normal day to day driving.

[Phil C]

If you haven't already ordered your 350Z start looking at Ebay for people selling their spots on the waiting list. Around here at least the local dealers have not only sold this years allocation but most of next years as well.

To me $36,000+ for the track model just isn't worth it. For me the kicker is the looks, I just can't look at one and feel that it's the car for me. In that price range a used 2001 M3 looks like my car. Or an S2000 and a crappy daily driver for when it rains.

The Cobra's iron block doesn't disturb the weight balance too significantly you've now got a 57/43 vs. the previous 55/45 (56/44 depending on who reports it). The pity is that the new Cobra didn't get more of the toys from the FR500 that they showed last year, moving the front axle forward 5" would help that car immensely I think (and give you the 50/50 weight distribution no Mustang has ever had).

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Phil C
If you haven't already ordered your 350Z start looking at Ebay for people selling their spots on the waiting list. Around here at least the local dealers have not only sold this years allocation but most of next years as well.

To me $36,000+ for the track model just isn't worth it. For me the kicker is the looks, I just can't look at one and feel that it's the car for me. In that price range a used 2001 M3 looks like my car. Or an S2000 and a crappy daily driver for when it rains.

The Cobra's iron block doesn't disturb the weight balance too significantly you've now got a 57/43 vs. the previous 55/45 (56/44 depending on who reports it). The pity is that the new Cobra didn't get more of the toys from the FR500 that they showed last year, moving the front axle forward 5" would help that car immensely I think (and give you the 50/50 weight distribution no Mustang has ever had).

my v sux has a close to 50/50 ;)

good post though, good info.

[BRAK]

WOW first of all i did not know about the "track" version of the 350Z. If it is $36,000 that my friend is high, althought it IS made to compete with the BMW market WRX,New EVO commin and the RX-8 commin, and maybe the IS300. Do not judge this car by the price tag it very well may be a great performance package with the luxury of a BMW or lexus, if so , i dont think its a horrible buy!
But if it is in the same trim w/ the RSX , CELICA , WRX, Eclipse .. i would steer away. The next month or so you will see more test drives , and comparisons. It may very well might win car of the year or somethin like that.;)

[trapdowner]

well i am in the rpocess now of getting rid of my celica for a v8 mustang. but i am not settling for just a mustang gt or cobra i am goin saleen....looking for a used 2001 s281 super charged. drove one last night and loved it but the dealer was a prick adn wanted sticker for a one year old car with 5,000 miles on it. tomarrow i am on ym way to dover pa to look at #315 blue s281 convert. with the blowe....the one last night def had more than 365 hp....well hoipefully all will be good...mike

[Humza]

don't you think it would be funny if the rx-8 received a 11,000 rpm rev limiter instead of a 11,500 and all the people on their board started complaining.

[spwolf]

umm... RX-8 is gonna have 8,500-9,500 rev limiter according to Mazda... unless you are talkin about some imaginary RX-8?

As to 350Z, they "hope" they will get it up to 280 HP, last time R&T tested it, they were not quite there

[FalGra]

where did you all hear that the RX8 has a 11,500 fuel cut off? The redline is like 8.5k...

[spwolf]

Originally posted by trapdowner
well i am in the rpocess now of getting rid of my celica for a v8 mustang. but i am not settling for just a mustang gt or cobra i am goin saleen....looking for a used 2001 s281 super charged. drove one last night and loved it but the dealer was a prick adn wanted sticker for a one year old car with 5,000 miles on it. tomarrow i am on ym way to dover pa to look at #315 blue s281 convert. with the blowe....the one last night def had more than 365 hp....well hoipefully all will be good...mike

What about new SVT Cobra with 390 HP?

[FalGra]

I'm not choosing this car for straight line speed. I'm considering this car because of several factors. It's RWD, the Track model has a carbon fiber driveshaft(That is just sweet!). It's a V6 so it should be smooth and powerful all in the rev range. It is built by nissan, which is known for their bulletproof engines. If the car is released with the 280HP and 260ish lb torque they are marketing. This car will be the best all around Import in the 2003 arena at it's price range. The closest to it will be the Lancer, however, since it is turbo, it's not going to get all it's power till later... Turbo lag... Both cars are about the same weight. Also, should be a nice aftermarket following. I can just see boosting that engine being as easy as the supra's. Either way it is scheduled to be released in August, I'll see then what it is, how much it is, and what it will offer me. If it is what I think it will be... It'll find a new home in my garage.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by spwolf


What about new SVT Cobra with 390 HP?

Good point. the 03 Cobra will decimate that Saleen on a road course as well.

Once the 03 hits, I expect Rousch, Saleen, and Steeda will be hurrying back tot eh drawing board trying to find another way to drip another $10k out of a Mustang with eye-candy and lackluster bang for the buck.

[2000 XYR]

Yes, many people that paid $50k+ for a special version of the Mustang are mad now for exactly the reason you said. The 2003 Cobra is faster and is $10-15K less.

I wanna see what people will do with the 2003 Cobra. Get a 4 to 6 lb pulley in there and a chip and it'll run some unread times.

[xi KiNG ix]

I doubt the high 12's with few mods.. mayb low-mid 13s

[swift 21]

cant wait for the 350z to surface, i am also very interested in this car the only thing that i don't like is that it is a two seater.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

If you look at the dash on the Rx8 the Rev's go up to 13,000RPM... Redline is around 11,500. Ive been doing a lot of research on this car.

[spwolf]

G35 Coupe is gonna be nice 4 seater

[gto78]

i was ALL set to buy one except for a few things.... I bought my car in aug of last year, and i'll lose too much if i trade it in now. Also the price of its gonna go waaay down after a few months (the 350 Z) once the ideal of being the first one to have one wears off. Nissan claimed it was supposed to be a $27K car stock and so far i keep hearin about this $34K price BS. Screw that man i'm waitin a while longer. I do plan on buyin one though when the price is right. And i can see that thing hittin the 12 second range pretty easily. The power ratio is there, the engine is popular already, and parts will be easy to find. i think it will hit high 13's stock and a few mods give you mid to low 13's real easy. Then the guys who actually do some hardcore mods will have absolutely NO probs gettin into the 12's with that thing. I mean when you have a 3.5 litre you won't have much problem makin plenty of power. Its just another hurdle for us to rise up to on the street now. I think it may push us harder and maybe the competition market will deliver us a few more parts we been needing. Like that cam that INGING is makin over in Japan.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by 2000 XYR
Yes, many people that paid $50k+ for a special version of the Mustang are mad now for exactly the reason you said. The 2003 Cobra is faster and is $10-15K less.

I wanna see what people will do with the 2003 Cobra. Get a 4 to 6 lb pulley in there and a chip and it'll run some unread times.

MM&FF put a stock blower pulley from a Lightning onto the 03 Cobra and ran a 12.0 at 117mph..

no other mods.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by gto78
i was ALL set to buy one except for a few things.... I bought my car in aug of last year, and i'll lose too much if i trade it in now. Also the price of its gonna go waaay down after a few months (the 350 Z) once the ideal of being the first one to have one wears off. Nissan claimed it was supposed to be a $27K car stock and so far i keep hearin about this $34K price BS. Screw that man i'm waitin a while longer. I do plan on buyin one though when the price is right. And i can see that thing hittin the 12 second range pretty easily. The power ratio is there, the engine is popular already, and parts will be easy to find. i think it will hit high 13's stock and a few mods give you mid to low 13's real easy. Then the guys who actually do some hardcore mods will have absolutely NO probs gettin into the 12's with that thing. I mean when you have a 3.5 litre you won't have much problem makin plenty of power. Its just another hurdle for us to rise up to on the street now. I think it may push us harder and maybe the competition market will deliver us a few more parts we been needing. Like that cam that INGING is makin over in Japan.

it isn't going to be as easy as you think.

[trapdowner]

dont get me worng i love the new cobra..i always wanted a saleen and i personally like the limited numbers of these cars....there are gonna be what 10,000 cobra and how many saleens are being made? true the cobra will beat the slaeen on the 1/4 and prolly the road course too with the right driver. but again its all about the driver...all the joe publix out there arent gonna get in a new cobra with the lightning pulley and run a 12.0. most wont even break past 13. mm&ff has always gotten mustangs into ridiculous times in the 1/4 and i always thought it was bs until i read the car and driver with the cobra and saw almost identical times. my search is broadening though..checked on the insurance on a s281 and i am not too thrilled cause of its specialty car status.... lightning is looking possible as is a f150 witht he 5.4 and the supercharger that mm&ff installed in this months issue...or possibly a f250 with the v10 and the whipple charger

[Karim]

ok here's some info for yoru 350 nuts, the car itself does starts at 27 grand and gets more expensive with the packages you go with, the different ones include the regualr 350z, the enthusiest, touring, performance, and track. discriptions of all the packages can be found here: http://www.nissandriven.com/ms/futurez/ModelHomePage/1,1308,520,00.html

Fal if you want to make it run 12s don't get the track one, get a lower model and the money you save put it into mods, your not going to need the brembo brakes and such if you don't plan on actually tracking the car.

personaly i htink ti's a nice car but i don't think i'd end up buying it

Karim

[Karim]

o and if you want a 12 sec car stock listen to dave and get the cobra, after talking to many reps from nissan who helped out a lot with this car 0-60 will be low to mid 6's and 1/4 will be at best mid 13's.

Karim

[FalGra]

I have owned fords in the past, will not buy another one... I can't stand mustangs, I live in Florida, every one and their brother has a mustang or a camaro... Besides, I'm an Import fan... I am getting the Track for various reasons... Not just for a 12 second car. I just said it has that ability. I never even said I was planning to do that. the 350Z is a very nice car, I think it's exactly the car I'm looking for. The money isn't really a problem. Be it quite a bit, it's worth it, if it lives up to what they are saying it features. Finally we are going to get a car close to what you could only find in J-Spec cars...

[FalGra]

Karim you mean to tell me that you think this car will be at best low to mid 6's 0-60? It has 100HP more than the Celica which can do a 6.6 0-60, not much heavier what 500lbs?, and it has a V6 which means power everywhere in the powerband... Not to mention it is RWD so you can launch better... Please... This car is a shoe-in for mid 5's if the performance specs stay on target... This car is being released in august, so I doubt they can deviate much from the released power estimates.

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
If you look at the dash on the Rx8 the Rev's go up to 13,000RPM... Redline is around 11,500. Ive been doing a lot of research on this car. http://www.scanautogbg.se/images/Mazda_RX-8_visad_i_Detroit_12.gif
:eek:

[BRAK]

IF you get the 350Z PLEASE dont put a body kit on that car .... unlesss its very subtle. THE CAR LOOKS GREAT STOCK.
I say slam it down with some great suspension on a 2' or 11/2' drop and your good to go!:cool:

[Karim]

Originally posted by FalGra
Karim you mean to tell me that you think this car will be at best low to mid 6's 0-60? It has 100HP more than the Celica which can do a 6.6 0-60, not much heavier what 500lbs?, and it has a V6 which means power everywhere in the powerband... Not to mention it is RWD so you can launch better... Please... This car is a shoe-in for mid 5's if the performance specs stay on target... This car is being released in august, so I doubt they can deviate much from the released power estimates.

both of these reps worked with people on designing the car and said the people who helped design it were given those as some target numbers. I guess we won't really know until time comes. To me your theory sounds right for it to hit under 6 the only thing that makes me doubtful is hearing otherwise form someone who knows the car better, have your heard any official relases for sure on the weight? they told me the car was going to be "pretty heavy" and they couldn't give me any official number. I'd really like to see it in 5's but i guess only time will tell.

Karim

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by trapdowner
dont get me worng i love the new cobra..i always wanted a saleen and i personally like the limited numbers of these cars....there are gonna be what 10,000 cobra and how many saleens are being made? true the cobra will beat the slaeen on the 1/4 and prolly the road course too with the right driver. but again its all about the driver...all the joe publix out there arent gonna get in a new cobra with the lightning pulley and run a 12.0. most wont even break past 13. mm&ff has always gotten mustangs into ridiculous times in the 1/4 and i always thought it was bs until i read the car and driver with the cobra and saw almost identical times. my search is broadening though..checked on the insurance on a s281 and i am not too thrilled cause of its specialty car status.... lightning is looking possible as is a f150 witht he 5.4 and the supercharger that mm&ff installed in this months issue...or possibly a f250 with the v10 and the whipple charger

Saleen suspension design= Band Aid's that make it handle worse at 10/10th's than stock. it wouldn't take any special driver out there to beat one in an 03 cobra on a race track.

Saleen= overpriced eye candy. i'm sorry if you really like these cars, cuz i like how they lok and all too..but performance wise, they are a rip off and do not perform well for the money.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by FalGra
I have owned fords in the past, will not buy another one... I can't stand mustangs, I live in Florida, every one and their brother has a mustang or a camaro... Besides, I'm an Import fan... I am getting the Track for various reasons... Not just for a 12 second car. I just said it has that ability. I never even said I was planning to do that. the 350Z is a very nice car, I think it's exactly the car I'm looking for. The money isn't really a problem. Be it quite a bit, it's worth it, if it lives up to what they are saying it features. Finally we are going to get a car close to what you could only find in J-Spec cars...

How can i put this nicely?

No.

[t2000gts]

jesus christ. 11,500rpm? i've experienced torque before, but i haven't experienced that kind of RPM yet. it's like open-wheel cars :D

[FalGra]

hmm... I don't see a redline indicated on that tach... not to mention that doesn't look like the production version... that looks like an early conecept. I read on the site that it has a 9000rpm redline, and reaches peak torque at like 8500rpm... not a 11,500 redline...

[FalGra]

I'm sorry SlasherX, that wasn't anything against you man... Just how I feel about mustangs... I used to love them a long time ago... back in the day I wanted the 95 body style... The more I learned about them, drove them, and knew many people who own them.. I decided it wasn't for me... As for the Ford thing... that has been my experience.. To me, my chevy's held up much better...

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by FalGra
I'm sorry SlasherX, that wasn't anything against you man... Just how I feel about mustangs... I used to love them a long time ago... back in the day I wanted the 95 body style... The more I learned about them, drove them, and knew many people who own them.. I decided it wasn't for me... As for the Ford thing... that has been my experience.. To me, my chevy's held up much better...

:wtc: :wtc: :wtc:

[FalGra]

Undoubtedly, best power for dollar, Mustangs are right in there...

Also, imagine someone like me early 20's with 1 accident on his license, in a V8 Cobra... Yea right... My insurance would crap a brick, then drop me like I was on fire...

[spwolf]

Originally posted by FalGra
hmm... I don't see a redline indicated on that tach... not to mention that doesn't look like the production version... that looks like an early conecept. I read on the site that it has a 9000rpm redline, and reaches peak torque at like 8500rpm... not a 11,500 redline...

According to R&T (only mag that drove pre-production version), redline is going to be between 8,5k and 9k rpm... they actually tuned engine a bit so it gives out more torque in lowerRPM range - 90% of torque should be avail from 3250 RPM up to 7,500 RPM peak...

[6SPDGTS]

Dark Star
For doing a lot of reasearch you dont really know much. The street version redlines at 8500-9500. Just read any info on the car or go online and you will realize this. YOur way off when you say 11500 show me where you heard this. The pic blue showed ws on the concept RX-8 not the street version.

[Redline]

Originally posted by FalGra
Finally we are going to get a car close to what you could only find in J-Spec cars...

Which means what? You don't think the US spec 350z is going to have a bit lower hp than the jdm version since we have lower octane levels/emissions?

You use the word J-Spec way too loosely. What we normally only find in J-Spec high performance cars is twin turbos and all-wheel drive. Not to mention right-hand side drive, but that's just being picky. ;)

I think the 350z is a great looking car and will probably perform well, but Nissan has proven in the past a few times to over-hype their cars. I won't believe a word anyone says about the car until its actually out. (getting on the waiting list to buy a 30+k car that you have never driven in your life is utterly insane. Its a nissan, not a ferrari.)

[FalGra]

I mean Jspec as in accessories we generally don't get in our imports here... Navigation/LCD, brembo brakes.... That kind of stuff... No I don't mean right hand drive... and no I don't mean performance via gas octane... I thought what I ment was obvious... I ment the luxuries...

[Willis5050]

Originally posted by Karim
o and if you want a 12 sec car stock listen to dave and get the cobra, after talking to many reps from nissan who helped out a lot with this car 0-60 will be low to mid 6's and 1/4 will be at best mid 13's.

Karim

That doesn't make sense to me. I can believe mid 13 1/4 mile, but mid 6s to 60 is far too slow. The 2000 GT-S runs mid 6s to 60 and barely scratches the 14s stock. Who are these sources of yours anyway? Nissan will not let the Altima and Maxima outrun their highline sportscar to 60, espicially with all the emphasis they put on that statistic (anyone that watched TV in 2000 knows how fast the 2000 maxima SE runs 0-60).

[Karim]

a friend of mine worked at the nissan dealership and when the motortrand show was in town he got us some passes to one of their corperate party where i talked to them, it was 2 really cool japenese guys, the 0-60 sounds weird to me too. Like i pretty said before this is what these guys told me not what i personally think. Both of them talked about how dissapointed people would be in acceleration and that you'll hate this new car is you were a fan of the old 300. They weren't very excited about this car at all and talked about how nissan didn't put half the time they should've into this car and it's been brought out too quick. While i was at the party i did talk to a few reps from nismo and they said that the car will get a good amount of aftermarket support so even it it's not so great stock expect them to fix that problem. I had all of the reps cards i talked to and i put them in a bag but can't find it anywhere.

Karim

[spwolf]

what I heard and read was that they are working on engine to get it up to 0-60 in 6 sec performance.. I mean, so what? Its 28k car for god sakes

[Willis5050]

Originally posted by spwolf
what I heard and read was that they are working on engine to get it up to 0-60 in 6 sec performance.. I mean, so what? Its 28k car for god sakes

So is the maxima and the altima, but those are four door family cars, what is your point exactly?

Oh well, kinda dumb to speculate at this point I guess. I just hope the car sparks another import horsepower war like it did in the early 90s.