Definition of Rice

[ncgreg231]

Howdy. I was trying to post this on the I985 thread, but I didn't get it finished before that thread got locked. Hopefully, you guys will tolerate us Buick folks over here? Maybe I'll "soapbox" on the I985 incident, but not for now...

For those of you asking for a definition of "riced"- for me, it is a car that is not JUST made to look fast, the attempt goes too far, with rediculous wings, a bazillion stickers, and the required "fart can"

The "fart can" is usually the signature of the ricer. Are there any links that show actual testing was done to show a performance gain?

I guess the thing for me is the "Fast and Furious" mentality of some younger guys. Buy a Civic (the most common choice) Get the biggest wing, lots of stickers and the fart can (without doing anything that actually IMPROVES the performance) and pretend you are Dom Torento.

I'm all about performance. A nice clean car, no stickers, no ridiculous wing to me is not "rice" (but it is still a "rice-burner" -j/k) There was a really funny post about a Civic that layed the smacketh on a Corvette Owner named Mitchell Davidson. MD is a putz, so most everyone was happy to see him get his butt handed to him by a Honda:D

The thing that most of us Buick guys can't understand is the $$$ that it costs to take those tiny four-bangers, and make them run what many muscle cars can run BEFORE they have any modifications done. But I guess it's a preference thing, plus the ability to spend that $$$, otherwise, there would only be one performance car, right?

But the annoying thing is that it's easier to do the stickers/wing/fart can for the "look" and still not be any faster. But these cars cruise around making that annoying sound. Here's a sudden thought - maybe some people also find the "muscle car" sound to be annoying too? But in this case, most Buick are very quiet cars. Louder than a stock car, but definitely quieter than a fart can or a "slowmaster" (flowmaster) exh system.

HTH (hope this helps)

[lyonsd]

To the guy who said the Regal with a turbo is rice, here is my response:

No, it's the opposite of rice. It's a "Sleeper".

Ricer: slow car that looks fast.
Sleeper: fast car that looks slow.

[2kgtx]

I think people stereo type the ricers first of all I agree a riced out car is the one that is no longer nice looking but has gone to far.
As for you saying you just don't understand the money people put into 4 bangers well it's a personal thing any one can throw 8cylinders in a car and make it fast, but then of course what's your gas miliage I for one get 34 MPG, I have driven the domestic cars that have more cylinders then cars have wheels and I personally perfer my car especially as a daily driver there is no need for all that power when all you are going to do is sit in stop and go traffic. but hey this is just my opinion I have mine and you have yours.

[xi KiNG ix]

i think rice is buying products from pepboys

[2kgtx]

:stupid:

[lyonsd]

Originally posted by lyonsd
Ricer: slow car that looks fast.
Sleeper: fast car that looks slow.

On the other hand, "fast" and "slow" are just relative terms.

Yesterday at Reynolds, there were a few ricers. The "fast" ones were in the 16s, and the "slow" ones were in the 17s.

The best I did yesterday was 13.8. That's pretty "slow" for a turbo Regal. I was probably the slowest TR there (then again, I was the "stockest" one there too). However, 13.8 is considered very fast for a ricer. See? It's all relative.

So with that in mind, it's hard to verbally define what a ricer is. All I can say about ricers is that you know them when you see them.

[2kgtx]

Umm I guess you choose the wrong Forum to flame ricers in have you looked at the 1/4 mile database, slow time are in the upper 15's fast times are in the 13's and 14's.

[ncgreg231]

A Buick isn't EVEN considered fast until it's running 11.99's or quicker, so I'm "slow" with a best time of 14.3@96mph (2.3 60 ft - so with real sticky tires & 1.9 60ft = 13.9) People ask me what's wrong with my car, and why is it so slow(ha ha). These are daily driven cars that I'm talking about, too. Driven to a race track and then home. Many, many daily drivers running mid 12's.

Of course, we'll get a lot of comments about handling and braking. Yeah, these cars were not designed with any of that in mind, and I've got my plans for 20 years from now when I'll have the money to do what I want to do, but hey, this is a 90% original car (K&N, Chip, cat-back. 100% stock it went 14.7@94), 170K miles, 16 year old technology (okay sure, relatively bad gas mileage) I drive it every day. I love it as I'm sure many of you love your cars.

[lyonsd]

Originally posted by 2kgtx
Umm I guess you choose the wrong Forum to flame ricers in

Who has flamed any ricers?

have you looked at the 1/4 mile database, slow time are in the upper 15's fast times are in the 13's and 14's.

Yes. Like I was saying, "fast" and "slow" are relative.

For instance, for a Celica, 13s is very fast. Slow ones are in the upper 15s.

Here's the turbo Regal version:

http://gnttype.org/members/times.html

For a TR, 7s in the quarter mile is very fast. 13s and above is sloooooow.

[lyonsd]

Originally posted by ncgreg231
A Buick isn't fast until it's running 11.99's or quicker, so I'm "slow" with a best time of 14.3@96mph (2.2 60 ft)

:eek: No kiddin'?? Dang, I didn't think I'd ever meet anybody with a TR slower than me. Is yours a hot air?

[ncgreg231]

No, it's an intercooled 86 T-type. That's why everybody wants to know what's wrong with my car. Lot's of other issues too. example - I'm lazy, I'd might pick up a few tenths if I would just clean my K&N, driver's header cracked, lots of stuff, but I'm not too worried, I just drive it every day, don't have a place to work on it, or the money, etc...

[Willis5050]

It can go the other way, we don't understand the money you guys spend (in some cases) to handle and brake like us in stock form. Or the money you guys spend at the gas pump. But we (I) respect the potential of the turbo 6.

I have more fun in a car that can outhandle its engine output. Many people are the opposite. It is an interesting dichotomy though.

[lyonsd]

Check out this post I found on another board:

My brother-in-law is a great guy, but not a car guy. He lives in Auckland, New Zealand, where he's going to graduate school. While he's there, he needed wheels, so he bought this little Eurovan to get him around. We somehow got to talking about souping up cars, and he mentioned the "ricer" phenomenon in New Zealand.

These are his exact words he used to describe them. It's interesting how this incredibly stupid phenomenon has swept the world. Lord help us all.....

"I was talking to a guy I met through a friend about my van and he said he's seen vans just like mine all tricked out with a rotary engine in it. I have no idea what a rotary engine is, but apparently they are powerful. Anyhow, this dude is what kiwis call a "Boy Racer". In Auckland especially, boy racers are abundant and controvercial. They take their "rice burners" (ie Honda, Nissan, etc.), put these really obnoxiously loud exhaust tailpipes, chrome trim, the heavy bass stereos, etc. and race around Auckland. Auckland being a city and all, racing isn't easy so they just explode off the stop light and excellerate to 100kph to the next stop light and slam the brakes on, and keep doing it until they get to where they want to go. It is quite lame and obnoxious. City Hall has been looking at taking measures to stop them as they have caused accidents, run into pedestrians and are generally obnoxious. I know several "Boy Racers",! they're nice guys with annoying cars. Anyhow, I too could be a boy racer with my van if I wanted to spend 3 times more than I paid for it to put a new engine in. I'm quite happy to drive my "Potato burner" though. Just wait til I trick it out with a bed, a disco ball and some curtains. Yeah baby!"

[DevlynSyde]

Did you come here cuz he upset you or just to call the Celica slow, from your last few posts I've kinda lost the point. And when Celi's start popping up with Turbos, (when or if they start popping up) do they suddenly stop being ricers because they are smoking you?

Some people like the exhaust, and like the look... some people like the look of your car, others don't. I sincerely hope none of the NewCelica users are on your forums thrashing your car like you are here. So have fun talking smack about the Celica, lord knows half of us do it ourself.

[DevlynSyde]

And about FnF, do a search on this forum, it hasn't exactly been talked about in good ways :P

[analogvoid]

Have you ever noticed people with fart cans think there always in a race. They pull up to everystoplight and if something sitting next to them creeps up a little they get all edgy and start reving there fart machine. Not to mention the need to swurve dangerously around traffic to get ahead of everyone. Thats the rice mentallity.

[lyonsd]

Originally posted by DevlynSyde
Did you come here cuz he upset you or just to call the Celica slow, from your last few posts I've kinda lost the point. And when Celi's start popping up with Turbos, (when or if they start popping up) do they suddenly stop being ricers because they are smoking you?

Who are you talking to?

Well, if it's me, then here's my response:

I came here because of what happened on Sunday. Simkin pissed be off by tailgating me at first, but I really wanted to see if anybody here knew him because I was curious as to what was going through that pea-sized brain of his to pull off the idiotic stunts that he did. You all had "newcelica.org" stickers on your cars, so here I am.

Some people like the exhaust, and like the look...

That's cool. To some, function is more important than appearance. To others, appearance is more important. To those who value function, they consider it odd that somebody would put a 5" tip on the end of a muffler that's fed by a 1 or 2" pipe.

But the thing about most ricers isn't just their appearance. Rather it's they're behavior, or attitude. Like Simkin, passing on the shoulder after I laid the smack down on him twice when the road was clear. That's the epitome of ricer behavior.

I sincerely hope none of the NewCelica users are on your forums thrashing your car like you are here. So have fun talking smack about the Celica, lord knows half of us do it ourself.

I'm not "thrashing" the Celica. I'm talking about ricers in general. Are you saying all Celicas are ricers? I haven't said anything bad about the Celica in general. And I never said nor implied that all Celicas are ricers either.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

I think the term rice shouldn't be used....cuz when domestic guys made fun of japan imports they just called them rice rockets...kinda refering to the fact that asian people eat rice......thats what I thought anyway

[ncgreg231]

Technically, I'm asian...(my mom's chinese) Some significant percentage of newcelica.org is probably caucasian. You don't have to own an import to be "riced" (cavaliers, sunfires, saturns and a few contours/escorts would be found guilty of "riceyness") Heck, if you've seen Brian's riceboy page, there's even a picture of an old chevy pickup that got honorable mention for riceyness. Riceyness is not confined to the cars that were traditionally japanese made. Rice is a state of mind. Trying to look and sound fast to the point of ridiculousness. I didn't mention it before, but sometimes that ridiclousness seems to cross over toward driving ettiquette. At least, that's my opinion about it.

Glad to here there were lots of negative comments about FnF. That guy who was playing NeedforSPeed before the big race - as if that would help - would be a good example of riceyness.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

I just dont like the term rice............you know it just seems wrong......why dont we just call them..........i dont anything but rice its getting on my nerves!!!!! Cause no matter what we think out were I live any jap import is a rice rocket to none import fans.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

also no matter how good my car looks...to some people it will always be put in the same class as the "ricey" cars...you know what mean.....

[ncgreg231]

bottomline, I think we shoudn't worry about what a total stranger might think of our car. I mean, why worry? I know what you mean about being looked down on, it's not confined to rice, or cars or anything. You'll always have the "small" people that try to push others down so they can feel "bigger" about themselves. For us Buicks, we have to contend with the stuck up musclecar crowd (not all of them, just a few) that don't think the Buick is a "muscle car" b/c the engine is a "small" 3.8L v6. But it's not anything that is worried about b/c it is very easy and inexpensive to tweak that "small" v6 to run circles around "musclecars" with an engine that is twice the size - so then it's like "well, my car IS NOT a muscle car, but it just blew the door off your 60's big block, so then, what does that make your 60's big block???":D

To me, "rice" will always be defined as any car (fast or slow) that has body & appearance modifications in a manner that (in my opinion) looks rediculous. It is worse when the car is obviously doing good just to able to reach the speed limit:D IMHO, the three black civics in FnF looked cool. Sleek, all black, nice sounding, no stickers. It helped that they had butt-kicking performance. I don't care if the car is a corvette or a viper, if someone "rices" it out, it is riced out.

To me, it's a sliding scale too. The more stickers and/or badges (especially out of place like a "Type-R" sticker on a Nissan) a car has (import or domestic) the more ricey it is. The higher or more "top fuel" the wing (excluding factory components), the more ricey it is. The more obnoxious the fart can, you get the idea. But again, this is just me. Yeah, there's the A-holes out there that will think that if it's Asian in origin (including the Accords & Camrys that are built here) it's rice. It's certainly not something that is ever going to bother me, though.

[donkeyponkey]

rice is so subjective. some people think altezza's are rice. I like them on silver celis, but does that make me rice? not to me. some people who aren't in the import scene at all think any kind of bodykit is rice which most people on this forum have. some people think a really loud exhaust is rice. some people like it loud, some people like it farty. it's all personal preference. I just think we should stop classifying other people's car as "rice" because someone might think your ride is "rice". If we don't like a car, why don't we just say stuff like "i don't like the lights", " i don't like the graphics", "i don't like the sound of that exhaust" or just "I don't like the look of that car at all" besides just calling it "RICE!". people like certain cars, styles, so we should just leave it at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!have a good day:)

[djm221]

Originally posted by xi KiNG ix
i think rice is buying products from pepboys
Hey, I buy my car wash, wax, and tire shining crap at Pep Boys!! :chuckles:

[GSX-Dude]

Wow, you see one of these threads in about every car forum. This one just hasn't been locked yet. :)

Call it what you want, but i see the point of the Turbo Regal guys. I had a 79 Turbo Regal, it was my first car. Anyway from that day on I was a big sleeper guy. Slow looking car, but really fast. (Not the 79, but others i have owned.) I just can't stand cars with a million stickers on them, huge exhaust. Not trying to diss anybody here, but if your car isn't a Type-R don't put that badge on it. If you aren't running 7 sec 1/4 miles or faster you don't need a 5" exhaust. (Ok, so I have a 4" exhaust tip, but my piping is 3" from turbo back) The other day a Del Sol passed me on the higway and i couldn't hear my stereo because his exhaust was so loud. I wonder what it sounded like in the car! :AF:

My car looks bone stock except for the exhaust. Spent every penny on the engine and exhaust. So many V8 guys just look at me at a stoplight and smirk. That is until i put a few car lenghts on them out of the hole and never look back. I've dusted so many mustangs it isn't funny. People with different cars will always look down on or make fun of people that don't have the type of car they have. It is just human nature. Personally i like performance cars of all kinds. I mod cars to have fun and good natured competition. I doesn't matter what you have or even if it is fast as long as you are having fun.

I think what people most get mad at though are rude car drivers and car drivers that want to be fast, but have no clue whatsoever. Call it rice or boyracer or whatever. It is a stereotype of a young inexperienced racer who is more show than go and very obnoxious. Unfortunately sometimes we take it too far and start saying everybody with this or that is one. It is hard not to do because we have all seen this person at one time or another and they are VERY irritating.

Instead of trying to actually make their car fast they flip open a J.C. Whitney catalogue and buy every bolt on part that makes their car LOOK fast. Trust me a 2' wing on a front wheel drive car isn't going to help you much. A drag launch kit that temporarily raises the rear of the car, now that will help you. This is what bothers me personally. These fools driving around with 0 performance parts and thinking their car is the $hit. Now if you wan't your car to have those parts and you like the look, great. Just know that 18" wheels slow your car down, an improperly matched exhaust can kill your performance and lowering your car to where it is touching the ground hurts handling, not the other way around. Just remember when you go to race that the 5K you spent on rims, bodykit, stereo bought me a 500 hp turbo and 3" exhaust with 2.5K left over for the bank.

If somebody hands you your ass in a race you don't wait for them to stop and then fly by at 100 mph and flash your hazzards. Also known as the r$%cer flyby. It has happened to me tons of times. Be responsible when you race. Don't be a jerk in trafic and don't endanger other people. I only street race when there is no traffic in the way and I can see what is coming. When done racing just wave and smile whether you won or not. It is all about having fun, not just winning. The person with the most time and money will win and there is always somebody faster just waiting to kick your butt. (Usually the person with a lot of time and money)


/Steps off soapbox.

Sorry for being so long winded, but discourteous drivers really annoy me. Mostly because they don't realize what a danger to themselves and othersy they can be. I'm ok with risking my car and health for a race, but not somebody else's car or health.

[Karim]

http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~kzhessel/simpsons_ricers/troy.jpg

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

word up on that discourteous drivers shiet.....reving for no reason going the opposite direction shieet!!!!

[ncgreg231]

:werd:

[CelicaNamja79]

Rice= Frontin'

[Griffin]

Now THIS is Rice.

http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/0300/p49.htm

Griffin

[CelicaNamja79]

ehheheehheh someone already posted this pix... but here yah go

<img src="http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/0300/p49_mega_pipe/mega_pipe_back.jpg">