Has anyone ever inflated their tires w/ nitrogen

[qburt19]

I found this great read from another forum and wanted to ask you guys' opinion on it. I just recently heard about this so I don't really know if its beneficial or not.

thanks
Mark


Nitrogen Tire Inflation

A tire

[PaLng_CeLca]

cool info, I inflated them before, I noticed they have green caps on them.
I was just wondering if they are explosive when accidents occur and burn.

[Hotpocketdeath]

I was just wondering if they are explosive when accidents occur and burn.

Nitrogen is an inert gas, it doesn't burn and any explosive characteristic would be the same as normal air compressed to 32psi or whatever you fill your tires to.

I have seen this topic come up on other forums and they have agreed it's not practical to do it. And most of the claims are false. Pure nitrogen reacts the same way to temperature changes just like any other material. expands when heated contracts when cooled. It does almost nothing to keep a steady air pressure unless you can change the laws of physics.

It may prevent corrosions of the rubber on the inside but that's pointless because the outside is still in contact with oxygen and UV which would still cause a breakdown of the rubber. So it would not increase the miles you get on your tires.

Plus the costs of getting pure nitrogen with almost no benefits makes it a pointless for the average car.

[Curt705]

Filling tires with nitrogen has its benefits. I know the cars in nascar have nitrogen filled tires because if they didn't the tires would explode.

[detasemen88]

Nitrogen was introduced here about 2 years ago, and currently mine is filled with Nitrogen gas. Yes... it feels different with normal air, overall it feel whole lot better, and it cost about USD 1.50 to get them filled here....damn cheap....

[qburt19]

Where can I go to have them inflated? I heard you can go to Costco's or something like that.

[peeper06]

Belle Tire "nitronizes" your tires. They automatically did it when I got my winter tires put on. I asked them and they said it was cool if you inflated your tires with regular air and mix them. I think they do it for free when you buy or change your tires there.

I've heard that they stay inflated longer and it's more fuel efficent.

Here's a link to Belle Tire's Nitronize page:
http://www.belletire.com/nitronize/nitronize.htm

[PaLng_CeLca]

interesting... I still dont know getting pure nitrogen benefits for the average car.... I mean, they have to be at least little better than normal air right? But I think I'll stick with regular air, i dont think it's that much great to go through all that.

[silverCELICAgt-s]

i forget which one, but some wheel/tire online wholesaler nows sells their products delivered to you filled with nitrogen.

[peeper06]

interesting... I still dont know if getting pure nitrogen is almost no benefits makes it a pointless for the average car.... I mean, they has to be at least little better than normal air right? But I think I'll stick with regular air, i dont think it's that much great to go through all that.
What?!? You really should proofread before you post.

Anyways...nitrogen gives you better gas mileage, and your tires stay inflated longer. And it doesn't seem too expensive:
Nitrogen is free with all new tire purchases and Belle Tire will top tires off free for the life of the tires. There is a nominal charge to top off existing tires.

[Hotpocketdeath]

What?!? You really should proofread before you post.

Anyways...nitrogen gives you better gas mileage, and your tires stay inflated longer. And it doesn't seem too expensive:

No it does not. search the net, there is no hard evidence that it gives better gas mileage. properly inflated tires give you gas mileage, not what kind of air is inside them. you could have them filled with neon gas as long as they were inflated to the proper psi and get the same gas mileage.

Dealing with race cars, planes and other things that use nitrogen in the tires, those tires are put to totally different conditions then what you will "ever" see in your car. unless you drive your car continuously at around 200mph or drive it 30,000ft above the ground.

And its obvious if you pay attention that there is more marketing it putting N2 in your tires then regular air.

ok. Air is 78% N2 and 21% O2. When you have your tires filled with N2 you are only getting between 90% and 95% N2.

but they market that your tires will not need to be top offed for 6 months. while you would have to top off your tires every 6 to 8 weeks with regular air.

This is child's math and it doesn't add up. how can a 10-15% increase in the amount of N2 give you 4 more months without needing to check your tires.

Just stick with regular air. it's free 24/7 365 days a year.

[peeper06]

^^ If ur tires have the right amount of inflation...u have better gas mileage.

[Haulin]

Waste of time and money.

[Kauchipoteto]

You could have them filled with neon gas as long as they were inflated to the proper psi and get the same gas mileage. The next great tire inflation scam! Not only is neon even more inert than nitrogen, they can brag about the cool underglow effect that kicks in above 60mph! Personally, the tread on my tires is gone long before I have to worry about the effects of oxidation :burnout: .

[PaLng_CeLca]

What?!? You really should proofread before you post.

Anyways...nitrogen gives you better gas mileage, and your tires stay inflated longer. And it doesn't seem too expensive:


I should proofread before I post? hmmm
I work with tires everyday, in my opinion, it's not a big difference. Waste of time looking for a place who has them. But whatever makes your boat float.

[jakbauerctu]

i doubt it makes enough of a difference to truly matter. maybe if you have your car sitting for year or two, filling your tires with nitrogen would save them from oxidizing too much, but I dont think it will help the average person.

[peeper06]

I should proofread before I post? hmmm
I work with tires everyday, in my opinion, it's not a big difference. Waste of time looking for a place who has them. But whatever makes your boat float.
Did you read what you wrote? I read your post 4 times and still couldn't undestand what the hell you said.

i doubt it makes enough of a difference to truly matter. maybe if you have your car sitting for year or two, filling your tires with nitrogen would save them from oxidizing too much, but I dont think it will help the average person.

I'm not saying it makes a huge difference, but if it only cost $1.50 each or whatever someone posted above, it might be worth it to try. I think its nice because my tires dont hold air well, and they stay inflated longer with the nitrogen.

[31073]

I"d say the difference is nominal.. the only time i think i'd consider doing this is if i stored a car for long periods, and wanted to reduce dry rot of the tires.

[Ryuujin521]

Wouldnt tires lose pressure faster with N2 instead of O2 since oxygen is heavier than nitrogen? It could squeeze out of the tire easier (...if it even does that). Cuz like with latex balloons if you blow them up urself they keep pressure pretty well, but if you fill with helium (a lighter gas) it loses pressure in like a day. Granted that the difference between O2 and N2 are only (4 AMUs for all u chemistry people out there) and the diff between air and helium is huge.

Costco and maybe a few other dealers fill your tires with nitrogen.

[albanator]

we use N2 to fill the Apache tires... the whole thing with using N2 in the tires is that they will stay inflated longer,and will not ex-paned or contract when the ambient temp fluctuates... reg air will expand and contract, with ambient temp.....it will not help your car in any other way besides maintenance, but then again you might need a insert in the tire for the gas's being lighter then o2, but with out the expansion and contracting of the tire the N2 should find the right pressure and and level off where it is supposed to be... sort of like if you have a pin hole in your tire and it will leak until the hole closes due to the rubber contracting same effect..

[PaLng_CeLca]

Did you read what you wrote? I read your post 4 times and still couldn't undestand what the hell you said.

Sorry for not being American, I was just trying to leave my opinion...
and I'm pretty sure you know what I've said. Just getting little upset for disagreeing you? That's fine, this is why we have threads for

by the way, no one told you to understand what I post. If you dont understand, just pass it, don't start anything.

and I appologize qburt19

[kimGT]

i don't want to read all the post up there but i'm with hotpocketdeath, when they mount the tire onto the rim what is that cavity of space filled with between the tire and rim? its AIR (oxygen) so it cannot be full nitrogen gas, unless they fully vacuum the air out. which i'm sure they can't do.

[albanator]

kimGT we know..that hints why you will have a mix of O2 and N2, that will be like 15% of the total volume of the cavity with out the n2 being put in.. once you put the n2 in with the o2 it will mix to a 90-94% mixture.......not tryin to be a **** but just to get you up to speed on the thread :thumbup:

[kimGT]

oh ok, thanks for the cliff notes, i'm just a lazy *******.

[My Sixth Gear]

Old wives tale. N2O filled tires will not get better gas milege.

[BuRn1nG]

its just a way for them to make more money. stick with regular air and inflate to proper psi.

[themuffinman]

What about im Missouri? We dont have a bells tire or what ever....

Can I just go to any random Tire shop and ask them to?

How much does it cost?

[Kani]

Ok this is complete bs:

1. There is oxygen outside the tire (in the air) which will oxidize it anyways. So thats out.

2. According to the laws of physics ALL gasses expand and contract with temperature changes. Thats out too.

3. Your tire will melt before it catches on fire.

I hate to say it, but those aren't valid reasons.

[albanator]

yes you right about all gases expanding and contracting with temp... but how much it will vary is in the equation, unless we are talking about atmospheric pressure then that comes into play with altitude, not saying the Ceil's tire will ever get that high. So that dose not count it out... but your are right about it being pointless to have it on a car..unless.... never mind it is beating a dead horse.... just stick with it is pointless to put it on a car!!

[Kani]

They are both pretty close in terms of how they behave as gasses with respect to temperature and volume. More importantly: air is already mostly nitrogen so by going fully nitrogen there is little difference in how the gas expands with respect to temperature.

[TRDoug]

Nitrogen molecules are larger in comparison to oxygen, so they have less chance to "leak" out between the bead and rim, providing they do a good job of cleaning the rim before they mount the tire. And Being inert and having higher tolerances for temp. and pressure, it is also less subject to atmosphereic and temperature conditions. YES you will get fluctuations in pressure as temperature changes, but because the Nitrogen particles are "larger" it isn't as extreme as the changes in oxygen.

Do all these so called "benefits" provide enough to change, hmmm when/where will there be scientific proof to be sure? I'm remain pretty skeptical, so I'll keep my air thank you!!

Besides, checking your tire pressure regulariy also gives you chance to notice if anything else is wrong as well. I think Nitrogen in the tires, is just another way that our society can get lazier. "You don't have to check you tire pressure for 6 months", yeah, it's so hard to unscrew the little cap and stick a gauge on and read what it says, haha.

BUT here's my number one, reason for not doing it though.........
Red Celi, 18" gunmetal rims with a polished lip, GREEN VALVE STEM CAPS - I DON'T THINK SO :GAP: :Laugh:

[CbnbluGt]

its just a way for them to make more money. stick with regular air and inflate to proper psi.

Agree, regular air is good enough - especially if you can make sure the air you use is dry (moisture has been removed).

[Hotpocketdeath]

To all the people that think nitrogen is larger then o2

One mole of gas is 22.4 liters. There are 28.0134 grams per mole for nitrogen and 31.9988 grams per mole for oxygen. Since N2 is two nitrogen atoms and O2 is two oxygen atoms the oxygen molecule must be slightly larger than the nitrogen molecule. This is of course because the atomic weight of oxygen is 15.9994, while nitrogen is 14.00674.

And if you look at the periodic table of elements, nitrogen is to the left of oxygen which means it is smaller then oxygen.

[PhReEk]

fill them with helium... weight reduction... call it a day

[cpta2020]

.....ok?

[renfield90]

To all the people that think nitrogen is larger then o2

One mole of gas is 22.4 liters. There are 28.0134 grams per mole for nitrogen and 31.9988 grams per mole for oxygen. Since N2 is two nitrogen atoms and O2 is two oxygen atoms the oxygen molecule must be slightly larger than the nitrogen molecule. This is of course because the atomic weight of oxygen is 15.9994, while nitrogen is 14.00674.

And if you look at the periodic table of elements, nitrogen is to the left of oxygen which means it is smaller then oxygen.

Finally, a little bit of intelligence in this thread.

Nitrogen WILL leak out faster. Any of you who say otherwise have obviously not completed high school science.

Nitrogen is used in race applications where a tire sees extreme temperature increases compared to the starting temp. It greatly reduces the tire pressure increases you'd see using normal air.

It has no practical benefit for a road-going car.



Now I remember why I don't click on General Discussion anymore. :rolleyes: