If you have 2nd Gear Grind... Please post here!

[FalGra]

Hello everyone, My dealer is trying to say my car is normal... That it only grinds in the higher rpm... over 6k rpm... and that is normal!!! Could you please post here your problem if you have the 2nd gear grind... and if you had it and they fixed it, what the solution was, and if it was covered under the warranty... I'm going to print this thread out and take it up there..

[GeeTeeEss]

My 2nd gear was gringing too. As well as grinding at higher RPM's, it would grind from down-shifting to 2nd. My entire tranny was replaced under warranty.

[Redline]

My 2nd gear grinds when I shift 1-2 over 8100rpms almost everytime... I had my tranny replaced because of synchro problems and it still grinds at that point even when the tranny was brand new. I can't really complain to toyota about it because it only grinds way above the redline and they will probably tell me that I'm not even supposed to be taking it that high.

[2001SilverGTS]

Mine does, a lot more as of late.

[FalGra]

Anyone here have a short shifter? also, I notice everyone has a 6 speed GT-S also.. this is good to know.. more for my argument with them!!

[LaW]

mine does not grind but when shifting at high rpm's from 1st sometimes I get denied..... not a lot though

[gnes100]

Law maybe your hittiin the reverse shift gate ??

[gnes100]

im also havin the 2nd gear grind problem .. when i down shift from 3- 2 it grinds at n e speeds above 35 miles an hour .. and when i up shift to 2nd gear too fast n e where above 6000 it grinds also .. iv takin it in to the dealer and they said tehy could not duplicat the problem .. now i have had 3rd gear go out b 4 adn they fixed that no problem but i couldnt even get it in gear .. when i took it in for the problem the guys at toyota said i was prolly just outshiftin the syncros but it doesnt do it in n e other gear ... oh well so now im stuck with a 20 000 dollar car that grinds in second but not for the dealer

[FalGra]

gnes that sounds about the same exact thing as mine... dealer couldn't duplicate the problem... which means they are not taking the car into lift and they aren't shifting at the normal lift shift speed. oh well... I'm just trying to get a database of people having the same problems. so I can go up to them and say... these blah # of people are having the same problem, their cars are the same trim as mine... is that a coincidence or a defect? I think defect... never had this problem in any other car... others went into gear just like it should... no matter how fast... the mirage I had, I Could slam the gear hard and fast it wouldn't even grind... Now I'm shifting quick but correct for the rpm and it grinds every time when the car is warm... funny tho... doesn't do it when cold... OH well... keep these coming!! I'll make a table and put it on a page for larry if you guys want it when I'm through, so we have some comparisons...

[WRENCHHEAD]

maybe switching to redline mt90 will help out a lil bit? it's slightly thicker and thats what the syncronizers need to work their best.

[LovinDaCamSwitch]

I have this problem once in a while not too many. Even with the short shifter it still happen still. It must the tranny itself or something. I had it fix before and it still does it. But I don't let it bother me, only if it start doing it all the time, then I will flame about it. LOL!!
Dan

[FalGra]

yea.. but this is over a 20,000$ car...almost 25K in my case... It should not be having this much problems... that is just not good!

[larryd]

my 2nd gear synchro was gone, I figure it was due to slamming into 2nd from racing and downshifting to 2nd gear all the time witout rev matching

[FalGra]

yea but common.. after just a couple years!?

[larryd]

mine happened after about 15 months

[FalGra]

ok... even worse... my car just turned a year old, has had this problem for about 4 months now...

[djm221]

9 times out of 10 it is driver error. I get a grind every once in a while I wind out 1st to 8200RPM. But when I grind into 2nd, I balme myself, because most of the time I shift correctly, it slides in like a hot knife through butter. Have you taken the car for a test drive? If so, and it seems unusual, try to find a fellow Celica enthusiast near you (there are plenty in FL). Ask them to take you for a drive in their "normal" 6spd. If you get to drive it, even better. This forum should not only be a place to get info, it could be a place to get personal experience with other Celica's before dealers try to rape you. Dealers are in the game to make money, not to make you happy. Case in point, my local Dealer is trying to sell a 2001 MR2 Spyder with 13,000 miles for $25,900... hello, that is $2000 over MSRP for a new one!! And what's even more ****ed up, they list their cars on cars.com for at least a grand less than the sticker on the window; I learned that one today (also asking over new MSRP over used S2000s).

[FalGra]

djm lol.. I konw quite a few people here with GT-S 6-speeds... I can't grind in those cars... I already thought it might be my shifting to quickly.. Nope... not that... I am also not the only one who grinds in my car.. almost everyone I "trust" and have let drive my car, grinds it too just on the 1-2 shift... Trust me... this is not driver error... This is the first car I have ever had manual that grinds a gear... The clutch is down on the floor, rpm's are over 6-7k... grinds... once rpm's fall enough that the rpms are down to about 5 or less, I can get it in no problem. As for this board being my only source? I am simply polling to find out how many people here have the problem, based on that, I can create a little database to present to Toyota... to get them to cover this... Either way, once the car is fixed... I'm really starting to wonder if this will be the last thing to break... I want more power as well, so it's not just the few things breaking. Turbo's are not really out there yet, not reasonably priced anyways, and going NA isn't much of a benefit for the $ spent. I have really been looking at the new Z... We'll see...

[X-EVIL-X]

FOR all the people that are having this happen.
how many miles do you have and are you on the stock clutch?
that might sound like a weird question but sinse i got my new clutch put in it doesn't grind at all shifting fast at 8k+.
i had 38000 when my old clutch was totally shot.
it had tiny cracks in it(not good).
it would only happen when i drove the car for a while on the stock clutch because i would drive hard and heat it up too much and it never went in.
i can drive the car like i want to now and no grinding.
weird

[VeilsideGTS00]

My Celica use to scratch in 2 gear and when i would downshift into 3rd and 1st. I got it fixed under warranty at toyota of killeen and then maybe like 3 days later it started doing it again and making it real hard to even downshift into lower gears. I took it back and b@#$%ed and they told me my whole transmission was blown. Now keepin in mind they told me that the first time to. Apparently the first time they told me my transmission was blown and that they replaced it, they actually just fixed it but the second time they replaced it and now it works like new. They did all that under warranty but it took some arguing.

[bxmart9]

I just bought mine used from a dealer. It has 19000 miles and also grinds into 2nd, but only at around 5,500 rpms up. It will also slightly grind going into 4rth at higher rps but mainly when down shifting. I will bring it into the dealer as soon as posible. They better not give me any crap either. P.S. had the car for 2 days and absolutely love it. My god this thing hauls some ass in third. Damn close to my Z28. Very impresive for only 1.8 litre!

[gnes100]

It will also slightly grind going into 4rth at higher rps but mainly when down shifting

mine does this too .. dang it ... well i cant downshift to 2 hardly at all with out slowin to a roll ... but upshiftin to 2nd from 1st is no problem as long as i take my time (at high rpms that is) or just shift at low rpms.... it was fine till i had to have the 3rd gr syncros replaced (in which they replaced all of them) .. i had a friend drive my car .. he has a 6 spd gts also and he was drivin like he always does and he shifts to 2nd and is like wtf .. this thing is jacked .. well i dunno what it is but i really dont want a 2002 tranny

[VeilsideGTS00]

I requested a 2000 tranny when they replaced mine and they said that they couldnt guarentee it and that they get whatever toyota sends them...but i got lucky and they sent the 2000 tranny. Man too many things be goin wrong with my celi, i'm tryin to sell it and get a WRX.

[FalGra]

Veilside... yup... I'm really really starting to feel the same exact way..

BTW... Evil... I have 11,038 miles on my car... No way my clutch is shot... I don't race... once or twice a month maybe on the street a block for some fun.. but even that is rare...

[shoeguy]

I had some grinding earlier today when shifting hard from first to second. It has happened a few times recently, but only when I was getting on it (shifting at redline). I exited off the highway and did a few on-ramp test runs from 1-2 to see if it was my shifting or the transmission, but I did not get any grinding when I had the clutch fully pressed.

In my case, the grinding is likely due to letting the clutch slightly out before I was completely in second gear. My shifter has tightened up a bit recently (2k GTS), and my clutch timing is slightly off when accelerating quickly.

You might want to try putting some lithium grease on your shift linkage to smooth out the 1-2 shift. I did this to my friend's Jetta last weekend and it has really improved his shift movement. Also, make sure the clutch is pinned when you shift (my GTS lightly engages fairly low on the clutch throw). If it is even slightly engaged, you will get grinding at the high RPMs.

[FalGra]

did that... done that... greasing the linkage was great... what a difference in how easy it is to shift... I love it... but it just makes it easier to grind 2nd gear.. hehe but driving slow it's nice... I love it

[Ntence99]

Its no secret that our cars have weak syncros.Ive replced one trans and abot to have to replase another one.if i shift slow itll do fine,but if ui shift fast...graaa

[J3adSeed]

when i really go at it, mine grinds. and its a gt. it sucks when i try to race someone and it grinds. if its user error, why do so many people have this problem, and always in second gear, and always at high rpms. my car has only 12000 miles on it. not even. its been doing it for 4 monthes or so. had it a year. its not user error, because i didn't get it ONCE for the first 8 monthes, then all the sudden all the time???

[Cash Money]

i had this problem before... N' i know lots of other people have too... My dealer wouldn't fix it at first cause it was "outside" their normal driving conditions... meaning it first started high in the rpm range, over 7500rpms... so, i just keep driving it and it got progressively worse to where it would grind into 2nd(upshifting and downshifting) all the time above 4500, and sometimes lower!!! so i spoke to the regional service/parts manager and he said it was prolly the clutch... well after sayin' i was to get my lawyer involved and speaking to reps at toyota they finally decided to take it in... when they looked at it, the synchro's were shot and the clutch wasn't burnt, but broke and tore up part of the tranny as well...they said it could've been the clutch/flywheel assembly or the synchro's themselves... well... i got a new clutch and tranny under warrenty and i haven't had a problem since...

on a side note... how could they say that Toyota doesn't endorse shifting above 5K when the hype up and design the car with Lift changes that occur above 6K?!?... so they design that feature in the car just so you could say it does it but you never use it?

[Tony01Gts]

My car did this very badly and is having the tranny tore apart right now!

[Tony01Gts]

My dealership told me I wasn't pushing the clutch in far enough the first time I was there... PM me if u want the name of the dealership and number.

[gts24]

Originally posted by VeilsideGTS00
I requested a 2000 tranny when they replaced mine and they said that they couldnt guarentee it and that they get whatever toyota sends them...but i got lucky and they sent the 2000 tranny. Man too many things be goin wrong with my celi, i'm tryin to sell it and get a WRX.

Wow, you think you're problems with synchros' are going to be solved by going to a WRX??

go to i-club and do a search on synchro's I've got a friend that drives rally and co drives, and he will go on and on all day about the weakness of synchro's in scooby's.


Also I have to say I agree with djm. I had the 1-2 issue, however, if I just slowed my shift habbits down, I'd land the 1-2 just fine.

[M SPEC]

34,000 kilometres on the clock and it started to occur about 3,000 kilometres ago. It grinds on the 1st to 2nd gear change at high revs.

Thought I was maybe changing too quick, so I fully enaged the clutch and did it real slow and it would'nt pull down properly to 2nd ans still grinded. Took it to the dealer, they test drove it and said that they need to take the tranny out and inspect it so see whats wrong with it. Bringing it in next week for service and tranny inspection. Hope it gets coverd under warranty. I'm guessing it's the synchro's.

Jason

[Tria2665]

I remembered my celica gts I bought back in 2004, have grinds in all gears (1 through 6) at 2500 rpm and higher. No matter down shifting or up shifting, it still grinded in every gear and everytime it warm outside, the car wont shift to gears either. It did this since 0 mile. I can't stand it and sold it. Don't ever buy a celica, it is too slow

[Klint]

It should NEVER grind at any RPM. It certainly isn't "normal" but it is expected with a worn transmission.


Grinding is most commonly due to very worn out synchronizers.

[Jannelle]

mine grinds too



I remembered my celica gts I bought back in 2004, have grinds in all gears (1 through 6) at 2500 rpm and higher. No matter down shifting or up shifting, it still grinded in every gear and everytime it warm outside, the car wont shift to gears either. It did this since 0 mile. I can't stand it and sold it. Don't ever buy a celica, it is too slow

1 post on the boards, but hell of a thread revival! ... wait... 9 years? :facepalm:

[lamboceliGTS]

9 years lol

[boothten]

Good lord.

[lamboceliGTS]

haha back to the future.

[Klint]

9 years lol

haha I just noticed it...


I was wondering why I saw Larry posting on a thread like this :chuckles:

[narly charley]

I was 11 years old... :eek: :chuckles: