whats a good coilover system

[legion]

i need to know whats a good coilover system that still has good ride quality. i need some suggestions. ground control, skunk2, etc. i need answers quick i wanna order em an put em on before my car gets sprayed.

[shakey1378]

tein jic best bet for saving money and high quality tein i have one of the better ones they make for our cars super street dampers very comfy and handle great u can get tein basics for around 800usd use search on this forum you will find answers easier :thumbup:

[slvrcelicagt00]

bump for tien coilovers

[BuRn1nG]

correct me if im wrong, but I thought the k-sports were a better choice for that price range.

[itchyvi3t]

high quality tein

no such thing, at least for our cars. I would wait for now see how the KW's perform. alot of people arent happy with their 1500+ jdm coilvers as well.

[legion]

the only thing i dont wanna get raped for the tien kit, i was wonderin if anybody had the skunk2 or ground control an if they liked em

[neological]

Most of the info in this thread is crap.

Tein: Makes good coilovers, none of them for the Celica though and the decent ones are all over 2.5k (mono, mono flex, RA). SS-Ps are not good. You can do a lot better, they're marginal not good for track or autocross duty. Basically they're for posers who want EDFC or to make their car go up and down.

Skunk2 and Ground Control: Not coilovers. They are coilover sleeves. They have their uses but must really be paired with DA Koni yellows to be effective. Don't use stock struts with them. If you don't plan on being a serious autocross/track nerd then look elsewhere.

D2/Ksport/Megan Racing: All the same. Same shock (verified last weekend) crammed into different housings for different applications, a "one size fits all" approach to suspension tuning but hey, you get what you pay for. Since they cost half as much as a good setup they're about half as good.

JIC: I wouldn't accept them for free. Fine when they work properly but a friend of mine sposored by them couldn't get them to piss in his mouth if his tongue was on fire. They have been revalving his FLT-A2s for at least 6 months now and show no signs of ever giving them back. Also, last week at an autocross one sheared completely in half. The build quality is pathetic, the walls of the strut tube are about as thick as tin foil.

KWs: Buy them. They're good.

[lpphreakx06]

You forgot zeals, but they go under the JIC catergory. :D

[neological]

I also forgot to mention that tein basics are crap.

[legion]

so my best bet is to go with Skunk2 or Ground Control w/DA Koni yellows or the KWs. sorry to sound like an ass but what are the KWs?

[Curt705]

so my best bet is to go with Skunk2 or Ground Control w/DA Koni yellows or the KWs. sorry to sound like an ass but what are the KWs?


that's not what anyone said at all

[lpphreakx06]

The part number for our celicas is 15256003. The cheapest place I found the variant 2's was from our sponsor and it was like ~1500 shipped

[legion]

damn imma get raped on the price no matter what. oh well quality costs money. if anybody has anymore suggestions let me kno. thanks peeps

[143hawaii]

so my best bet is to go with Skunk2 or Ground Control w/DA Koni yellows or the KWs. sorry to sound like an ass but what are the KWs?

German made coilover threaded shock. Twin-tube design with an extremely thick piston shaft that are double adjustable on the highest model Variant 3. Each system is supposed to be designed and tuned on the Nurburgring. Their systems tend to be softly sprung compared to others but is said to have some of the best valving around.

I still think K-sport/D2 are good for the money since they can be had for Sub-$900 shipped. Koni are also proven on the track. I wouldn't bother with middle of the road Teins/JIC. If you want the best Sub-$2000, KW V3s are probably your best bet.

[lpphreakx06]

They only make variant 2's for our car. lol

[blitzceli]

tein type ha. Best coils tein makes for the celica. Some guy has a set in the for sale section. He may have sold them by now, but worth a try...

[neological]

Tein SS-Ps are HAs, or based on them.

You can do better.

[many]

In order to get good coilovers they need to be inverted to start with....and nobody makes them anymore for our cars!
And they need to be rebound and bound adjustable (separately)and preferably with a remote reservoir.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ground-Control-coilovers-00-04-Toyota-Celica-8016-01_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33586QQihZ019QQitemZ 8045917245QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

So, when you go with Ground Control, you'll want Koni Yellows and that's it? What about the KYB GR-2s? AGX?

[Thor]

Most of the info in this thread is crap.

Tein: Makes good coilovers, none of them for the Celica though and the decent ones are all over 2.5k (mono, mono flex, RA). SS-Ps are not good. You can do a lot better, they're marginal not good for track or autocross duty. Basically they're for posers who want EDFC or to make their car go up and down.

Skunk2 and Ground Control: Not coilovers. They are coilover sleeves. They have their uses but must really be paired with DA Koni yellows to be effective. Don't use stock struts with them. If you don't plan on being a serious autocross/track nerd then look elsewhere.

D2/Ksport/Megan Racing: All the same. Same shock (verified last weekend) crammed into different housings for different applications, a "one size fits all" approach to suspension tuning but hey, you get what you pay for. Since they cost half as much as a good setup they're about half as good.

JIC: I wouldn't accept them for free. Fine when they work properly but a friend of mine sposored by them couldn't get them to piss in his mouth if his tongue was on fire. They have been revalving his FLT-A2s for at least 6 months now and show no signs of ever giving them back. Also, last week at an autocross one sheared completely in half. The build quality is pathetic, the walls of the strut tube are about as thick as tin foil.

KWs: Buy them. They're good.

Your assumptions are wrong. This is based on a Celica. You do remember that car. Some of the coilovers offered are a damn good start in the right direction.

I would add the slightly sub or more $2000 JDM coilovers (not listed), the whole Zeal fuction line, and the Hotchkis PSS9 to the list, but it would get shot down by you. I don't like it myself, but that's fact.

No one asked for a settup that would handle better than your car.
No one asked for a cone wrecking experience or ultimate tracking with alignment included.
Reread the posts.

Teins are a good start if posting.

[neological]

Your assumptions are wrong. This is based on a Celica. You do remember that car. Some of the coilovers offered are a damn good start in the right direction.
You don't want to buy something that is a start in the right direction, you want to buy something that you will want to keep as long as the car. By your tone I guess your a Tein owner. If you are, that company doesn't give a crap about the celica because they don't even care enough to throw together a tein flex setup.
I would add the slightly sub or more $2000 JDM coilovers (not listed), the whole Zeal fuction line, and the Hotchkis PSS9 to the list, but it would get shot down by you. I don't like it myself, but that's fact.
???

Half of this paragraph doesn't make any sense. Hotchkis PSS9? Bilstein makes a PSS coilover for the Celica but not a PSS9. I believe they are not manufactured anymore. Shot down? Bilstein PSS are fine but the spring rates are soft. They certainly don't suck. I only mentioned stuff earlier that people talked about in the thread which wasn't meant to be an all-inclusive list.
No one asked for a settup that would handle better than your car.
I didn't suggest one either. I tried to suggest what the best value was and the shortcomings/benefits of things that cost less/more. You're acting like a dick. If you dont like my advice shut the fvck up or suggest something else. Being confrontational is worthless to the people seeking advice.
No one asked for a cone wrecking experience or ultimate tracking with alignment included.
Chip on your shoulder? I didn't talk about autocross, tracks or alignment.

Don't cram words into my mouth. You're the dumbass who thinks hotchkis makes bilstein products and then you question what I know about Celicas.
Teins are a good start if posting.
Teins aren't a good start. At best they're a marginal set of coilovers for a decent price. I honestly believe anyone would be happier with the KWs.

The downside is that the KWs don't come with any plush toys, keychain dolls, stickers, umbrellas or ads in Super Street.

[TaeMachine]

I want to suggest you just cut the spring, since it seems like you just want a lowered car that rides soft, but that's a bad idea.

[blitzceli]

Tein SS-Ps are HAs, or based on them.

You can do better. wrong... They are different in many ways

[gokalper]

I looked into some kw's and i was wondering where i can get a set from a reliable source. I recently tossed in some kyb agx+tien s-tech ...they are ok not great, much better than stock yet it doesn't have the edge i am looking for.

I was really determined on tien coilovers till i found out that they are really subpar, pity. I am in New Jersey so i guess there must be a USA vendor.

As far as daily driving with KW's what settings do ppl have them at?

[KEnny Heiser 3]

I personally own Tein SSP with EDFC ... I highley doubt you will ever use your car to an extent that the Teins would not be sufficient . I mean unless your some kind of racer like neological . As far as I'm concerned SSP is a pretty damn nice coilover setup , I geuss I'm just a loser poser though ... :wtc: :wtc:

[gokalper]

lol I consider the tein ssp to be just fine, but i am not looking for fine, i want the best there is, period. If you look though you will notice that tein doesn't make their best coilovers system for our car.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ground-Control-coilovers-00-04-Toyota-Celica-8016-01_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33586QQihZ019QQitemZ 8045917245QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

So, when you go with Ground Control, you'll want Koni Yellows and that's it? What about the KYB GR-2s? AGX?
Um, yeah, I know it's out of place, but could someone answer this?

[KEnny Heiser 3]

Um, yeah, I know it's out of place, but could someone answer this?


I think there is something with the Konis being shorter than regular shocks like the KYB GR-2s or AGX (stock replacements) . I think you have to use your OEM shocks/struts to mount them or retro fit them or something ??? Sorry I could not be of more help brown , I'm pretty un-knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff . I mean I did buy some crappy SSP's for my car . I think I need to get out of the Suspension forum now (definatelly not my place of expertise on this site) LOL ...

[TaeMachine]

You'll want a damper that matches that spring rate. Koni can build that for you.

[gokalper]

add a swaybar and lsd then you are set ;p

So anyone actually have the KW's????

[03gtscelica]

the only thing i dont wanna get raped for the tien kit, i was wonderin if anybody had the skunk2 or ground control an if they liked em
I have ground control coil overs on some 5 way adjustable tokico allumna struts, no probs no complaints.

[143hawaii]

They only make variant 2's for our car. lol

Out of luck for you guys :gap:

Still the V2s would probably suit most people since I doubt most would bother adjusting bump as the adjuster's harder to get to than it is for rebound. The SS body of the KWs will outlast Tein's easily. Another local MR2 Spyder owner here is running V3s and he consistently places top 10 OA out of ~130 people. I hear the best part about them is that the are really smooth on bumpy street roads too.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

I have ground control coil overs on some 5 way adjustable tokico allumna struts, no probs no complaints.
Illuminas eh? How much do those buggers run?

[legion]

well thanks guys i don't kno if i'm more confused now or before i posted this. but hey thanks for the advise and i 'll be orderin some soon.

[IcerGT]

So anyone actually have the KW's????

I have them :) , I've had the about a month now, they feel much better than previous setup (KYB AGX with TTE springs) even though the spring rate is higher & the car feels more composed through high speed turns, though I haven't had a chance to really test them out. Here's pic of them before the install

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/DSC01431.jpg

[beans]

are coilovers better than the individual strut and spring set up? it sounds like it from IcerT's comment comparing his new setup vs. his old set up

[lpphreakx06]

:drool:

[neological]

I think there is something with the Konis being shorter than regular shocks like the KYB GR-2s or AGX (stock replacements) . I think you have to use your OEM shocks/struts to mount them or retro fit them or something ???
The konis are insets that go into your stock strut bodies which involves cutting them to make them shorter.
Sorry I could not be of more help brown , I'm pretty un-knowledgeable when it comes to this stuff . I mean I did buy some crappy SSP's for my car .
yeesh. I said Tein Basics are crap. SS-Ps are mediocre but for the cost of SS-Ps plus EDFC you could afford KW Variant 2s which I think are superior on the street, track or anywhere. Tein Super Streets are designed for the street tuner crowd, they're main fault is that they use much poorer valving than the more expensive Tein coilovers, some of which as I noted are very good.

Could you get more butthurt over what I think? Your SS-Ps are fine, there are just other options out there that might be a little better. Tein is a marketing juggernaut. They overadvertise and hype their affordable bread and butter products like basics, s-tech springs and SS coilovers. Be happy with what you have, I'm sure it works for you. The original poster was also concerned with ride quality, every SS-P Celica I have been in was very harsh (including yours slava if you're reading this).

[03gtscelica]

My ILLUMINAS sorry for the miss spell, they ran $400.
An yes a complete coilover system will be better than a coil sleeve and strut kit.

But for daily driving im happy with my set up.

[D_CeLiRaToR]

i've been riding on tein basics for about 8 months now and i love them. lowers the car more than just springs/struts, can raise car in winter for daily driver, and is not too bumpy for me. wasn't really worried about the handling although it's probably AT LEAST as good as stock.

[GangstaCelicaGT93079]

So anyone actually have the KW's????

I have them :) , I've had the about a month now, they feel much better than previous setup (KYB AGX with TTE springs) even though the spring rate is higher & the car feels more composed through high speed turns, though I haven't had a chance to really test them out. Here's pic of them before the install

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/DSC01431.jpg


you have a link for there website I really like those and need to know where to find them, thanks:)

[GangstaCelicaGT93079]

never mind located it, thanks:)

[gokalper]

How do they run on regular roads for daily driving - city, highway?

[GrkCelica]

I have the Tein Super Street coilovers (no pillowball upper mount) for two years (and ~ 32000 miles). I have the European market version (which is similar to Japan market I believe).

Based on my experience Neological is absolutely right about Teins. Their damping setup (valving) is completely wrong for our cars (ZZT231).

In their attempt to make that comfortable and present the illusion of big suspension travel, Tein designers have come up with practically very low rebound damping for low-speed (shock) piston. This has the result of not adequately controlling the chassis movements when the car passes over large road undulations / deeps. The car has a floaty feeling, like a limo. Additionally during initial turn-in they are soft and the car has more roll. They do not inspire confidence from the driver (e.g. if you take a turn with speed and in the middle of the turn there are bumps or deeps the front of the car is not controlled).

In addition and according to my experience, the damping for high-speed (shock) piston is excessively high. As a result, when the car passes over a bump their response is harsh (especially the back side of the car bounces almost instantly).

I plan soon to get rid of the Tein SS crap. I will probably put Koni Yellow Sport shocks with Eibach Pro-Kit or H&R Sport springs. I am sure that Koni has way better valving than Tein SS.

If I had to go now with another coilover suspension I would choose between KW Variant 2 and Bilstein PSS.

Bilstein PSS seem to have very good build quality and I think they are monotube, but are not adjustable. I have also read somewhere that KW Variant 2 (at least certain applications) are made by Koni.

[GangstaCelicaGT93079]

does anyone know where I can find the kw variant 2's for less than 1200$?

[lpphreakx06]

Less than 1200? Thats a toughie since I've been looking for these past months and the cheapest was like (EDIT) 1200 i think

[mukalicious]

how come no mention of tanabe?

[GangstaCelicaGT93079]

actually I found it for 1230 from eurosport do a google search for kw coilovers and its like the 3 link down, company name eurosport

[IcerGT]

How do they run on regular roads for daily driving - city, highway?

In short, pretty good, although they are of course alot stiffer than stock, the shocks have great damping qualities, they run fine on regular roads & in my opinion not too stiff for a daily driver.

[itchyvi3t]

how come no mention of tanabe?

discontinued, and not many people were running them in the first place (not many reveiws). THey seemed to be very promising but their supposed pro-5 were not made to replace the pros/ss.

[neological]

Yeah, I don't know of anyone who ever bought Tanabe coilovers. I looksed to some for my Evo and they looked well finished but if I'm spending the kind of money they want for their super seven setup then I could easily get Variant 3s or Tein Monos.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

So, basically, Kenny tried to answer my question, but wasn't a great help (no offense).

Can't you just use KYB GR-2s with a Ground Control coilover sleeve? If that's the case, someone can easily get some "coilovers" for about $600. Why did you say you should use Koni Yellows.

BTW, this wouldn't be for a track car or anything.

[reguile]

I found some KW V2's for the celica for about 1550k$.. anyone find them anywhere else for cheaper? I also found that nopi is selling hotchkis coil over set? is it a bug in their system?

[Thor]

"I didn't suggest one either. I tried to suggest what the best value was and the shortcomings/benefits of things that cost less/more. You're acting like a dick. If you dont like my advice shut the fvck up or suggest something else. Being confrontational is worthless to the people seeking advice."

You're the ass not me. Your posts are condescending and belittling to the rest of the community and I'm not easy, so that must say something to you.

Get off your high horse. You don't impress me and if you want to put a stab in so will I.

[neological]

Put a stab in? I was defending myself from your unsolicited attacks. If you don't like the fact that I don't like Tein SS-Ps man up and give reasons why people should buy them, as I reiterated before, it's not that I don't like Tein, I just think the SS-P isn't a good product for the price.

So when people ask what brake rotors, springs or coilovers to buy and I tell them I'm being condescending....right. That must be why I get 3-4 PMs a day from people asking me advice on this crap and thanking me.

Nobody cares about you or what you have to say.

Honestly.

[legion]

no it's not for track use i just need a good drop but don't have to worry bout ma head hittin the roof when i hit a bump.

[neological]

Then you probably don't want coilovers, their spring rates are much harsher than springs. There's always the tried-and-true Tein S-Tech/Kyb AGX combo.

[classicromeo]

just for fun how would u guys rate the TRD coilover?

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

just for fun how would u guys rate the TRD coilover?
It's probably another rebadged product...

[lambocelica1510]

coilovers suck ass i have them but i wish i would have spent the money for the full system instead of just coilovers but skunk2 is a good set ebay has them kinda cheap but if your just putting on coilovers get skunk 2

[lpphreakx06]

I heard the trd's are crap.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

coilovers suck ass i have them but i wish i would have spent the money for the full system instead of just coilovers but skunk2 is a good set ebay has them kinda cheap but if your just putting on coilovers get skunk 2
Those are just coilover sleeves....

[classicromeo]

I have the trd......nothing really special but okay for a daily driver....and VERY VERY ok for the price I paid(basically free) just wanted to see how the other system compared to it.......

I'm still pretty happy with my cornering and all I have is the TRD full coilover with hochkis street sways and running bridgestone potenza s02 pole position tires...

I'm just waiting for the trd to blow to try something else....thats why I wanna see how it compares :P

[Thor]

Put a stab in? I was defending myself from your unsolicited attacks. If you don't like the fact that I don't like Tein SS-Ps man up and give reasons why people should buy them, as I reiterated before, it's not that I don't like Tein, I just think the SS-P isn't a good product for the price.

So when people ask what brake rotors, springs or coilovers to buy and I tell them I'm being condescending....right. That must be why I get 3-4 PMs a day from people asking me advice on this crap and thanking me.

Nobody cares about you or what you have to say.

Honestly.

I never wrote Tein SSP. I know nobody cares about what I write and I don't care. That's why I'm here to put in my opinion.

Open discussion.

If you don't like it, then there is no reason to get hurt about it.

I get the same PM's so what?

[neological]

Wow, I already forgot about this when the thread when back on topic.

[d3im05]

Um, yeah, I know it's out of place, but could someone answer this?

So, basically, Kenny tried to answer my question, but wasn't a great help (no offense).

Can't you just use KYB GR-2s with a Ground Control coilover sleeve? If that's the case, someone can easily get some "coilovers" for about $600. Why did you say you should use Koni Yellows.

BTW, this wouldn't be for a track car or anything.

i've read through the thread and this question was never answered.
I'd like to know if this combo would work.

anyone?