GT turbo vs GT-S supercharged

[pepsiman]

which one is faster.. assuming both have all the aftermarket parts..

[J3adSeed]

uhhh....

[xi KiNG ix]

hahah and we're suppose to figure this out how?

[pepsiman]

lol

[Furies]

the odds of a gts with a supercharger and a gt with a turbo meeting up and racing to see who's faster is most likely not going to happen any time soon......at least here in U.S.......help us out and go FI ur car or somethin...

[7THSIGN]

Its all about who is running more PSI.

[pepsiman]

oh yes i will
i have 2000 GT-S
and imm probably get GT for replacement vehicle
if everything works fine...

[FL Honda Stompr]

Originally posted by Furies
the odds of a gts with a supercharger and a gt with a turbo meeting up and racing to see who's faster is most likely not going to happen any time soon......at least here in U.S.......help us out and go FI ur car or somethin...

*Scratches Chin*.....Hey Mingi, you thinkin what im thinkin?

[pepsiman]

hmmm no~ cuz i ain't keepin my car...
im jus gonna go with GT and turbo it...

[CheezeFrog]

Honda Stompr eh? ;)

[chrisle7220]

it depends, the gt could easily keep up with the gt-s even though it has 40hp difference. the reason being low compression, you could put a lot more boost on the gt then you can on the gt-s. id say it would be an even race!!

[FL Honda Stompr]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Honda Stompr eh? ;)

Thats right, you wanna make sumthin of it honduh boy? :cool:

j/k

[FL Honda Stompr]

Originally posted by pepsiman
hmmm no~ cuz i ain't keepin my car...
im jus gonna go with GT and turbo it...

My Turbo GT is gonna outrun your turbo GT!:burnout:

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by FL Honda Stompr


My Turbo GT is gonna outrun your turbo GT!:burnout:

In your dream~

[Lilsupra]

Well we know for a fact that both cars stock.. the GTS is much more powerful...with FI for both heres an equation...GT + Turbo = faster...but in the range of a stock GTS...GTS+FI= freaky fast...or or GTS + EIP tuning turbo= NUTZ...simple logic tells me that the GTS will win provided that is sooped up.

[FL Honda Stompr]

Originally posted by Lilsupra
Well we know for a fact that both cars stock.. the GTS is much more powerful...with FI for both heres an equation...GT + Turbo = faster...but in the range of a stock GTS...GTS+FI= freaky fast...or or GTS + EIP tuning turbo= NUTZ...simple logic tells me that the GTS will win provided that is sooped up.

but GT-S cant run as much boost on stock internals, so i think they would be near equal, now if you have the money to re do your internals, the sky is the limit!

[chrisle7220]

yeah but even though you lower your compression on a gt-s, i could also lower my compression and still run more boost!!!

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by chrisle7220
yeah but even though you lower your compression on a gt-s, i could also lower my compression and still run more boost!!!

No. Once you add lower compression pistons into the equation, you can lower compression on a GT-S to any level that a GT can go.

These turbo GT vs. turbo (or s/c) GT-S "pissing contests" are pretty pointless anyway, since almost nobody even has a turbocharged new Celica except for a few custom turbo kits on show cars that are never really run on a track.

[Lilsupra]

Theres the extra power boost for us...once the turbo hits, it will be followed by the valve intelligence...once a again...sooping up a GT and a GTS with the same parts will yield in the GTS being faster...now stop this nonsense!!!!

[chrisle7220]

so will the gt-s always have that 40hp difference then the gt even after the turbos??

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

Not exactly!!
If you lower the Compression on the GT-S you will be loosing alot of your gained peak power once LIFT kicks in.
You would more than likely go from a 40hp difference to a 15-20hp difference. and if both cars are running over 200hp, I don't know if 15-20hp would make up for the gearing between the two cars.
I think over all the GT would have the upper hand unless you where to spend alot more on the GT-S to run more boost.

[Keyshawn]

Hehe, guys, we can argue this over and over until we are all blue in the face. It's all SPECULATION. Nobody knows "which one is faster" cuz no one has ever raced a turboed GT vs. a turboed or s/c'ed GT-S on a track FOR REAL. The only turboed new Celicas I've seen are never run on a track , and most of 'em are just showcars.

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by Lilsupra
Theres the extra power boost for us...once the turbo hits, it will be followed by the valve intelligence...once a again...sooping up a GT and a GTS with the same parts will yield in the GTS being faster...now stop this nonsense!!!!

Well inorder to turbo charge GT-S you have to disable the lift.. thats what i heard...
and Mr. Big R honda stomper... i already beat u with my GT-S...

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by pepsiman


Well inorder to turbo charge GT-S you have to disable the lift.. thats what i heard...


Rumors like this that some people automatically believe make me shake my head. Please do a little research and you'll find out that this is completely untrue. At least demand evidence or proof when you hear stuff like that, man.

[M SPEC]

This is like asking, how long is a piece of string?

The GT-S owner is going for a NA feel with the S/C. Linear power delivery to still be able to throttle steer around corners. Have good torque and feel of a larger capacity engine for daily driving. Lowering CR on the 2ZZ-GE will make it less responsive as a compromise for producing more boost and outright Hp. which I feel most won't do.

The GT onwer on the other hand wants a turbo, to step out of the shadow of the GT-s in terms of performnace and be respected for what it is. That's fair enough. And it is more suited to FI than a GT-S. they have the desire Bo be faster in a straight line over a GT-S and other faster cars. being the "lesser" (in no way am I trying to disprest GT onners) Celica, they have the underdog attitude.

Personally I'd never want to drive/mod a car that had mid corner on boost surge when hard cornering. I want predictable handling with any type of FI. Any quick/highly modified car can make a driver look fast but it takes more skill to drive fast. HP figures are'nt eveything.

I don't mind if a GT could beat me in a straight line, because I could still out brake, out corner it and be a more staisfying daily driver becuase of more useable torque lower in the rev band in a S/C form.

Jason

[FL Honda Stompr]

Originally posted by pepsiman


and Mr. Big R honda stomper... i already beat u with my GT-S...
Hehe, you got lucky my friend, you only beat me once, are we forgetting the first race????? :cool:

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by FL Honda Stompr

Hehe, you got lucky my friend, you only beat me once, are we forgetting the first race????? :cool:

jus admit it.. that 2 races wasn't real... 1-2nd gear race is not real..+ oil leak, somethin came outta my engine remember??
i donno man~ i might not get another celica.. i jus talked to my friends.. i might go w/ stock supra... cuz i wanna feel that BIG turbo.. i drove hoon's supra few months ago and it felt so good.. eventhough he had only racing intake, n racing clutch...

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Dude... heheheee your post crack me up. You want like HUGE Amounts of power but don't forget. To take this in mind. When you get your 400hp Supra and some of us get our Celica's up to 350ish... better like the looks of our Tail lights... we have a better Power to Weight Ratio.

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Dude... heheheee your post crack me up. You want like HUGE Amounts of power but don't forget. To take this in mind. When you get your 400hp Supra and some of us get our Celica's up to 350ish... better like the looks of our Tail lights... we have a better Power to Weight Ratio.

well i hope WCtoyota makes celica Turbo kit soon...
i remember David Draper sayin about GT turbo kit about a year ago and now what?
aight u guys make that turbo kit perfect while i make my supra bullet proof..
And who said supra r 400hp? you crack ME up~ lol
supra's 2jz engine can handle alot more~

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

hehehee... u better get yourself a trailor because ur gona find it hard to drive everyday.

I love it when people think they can have a 5trillion hp car and drive it to the store for milk or to school. It dosent work that way. I think anything more than 400hp is rediculous because of the gas mileage and the type of octane you'll have to use. Bulletproof or not its gona be a biatch when ur going on a freeway on ramp and u hit boost and ur car spins all over the place.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by pepsiman


well i hope WCtoyota makes celica Turbo kit soon...
i remember David Draper sayin about GT turbo kit about a year ago and now what?
aight u guys make that turbo kit perfect while i make my supra bullet proof..
And who said supra r 400hp? you crack ME up~ lol
supra's 2jz engine can handle alot more~

BTW: you complain to much... enjoy your car. I havent had my Celica in over 5 months and have thought of selling it many times but you know what... i'd rather make my Celica 350hp and one in a million, than have a 400hp Supra... there are 4 300hp+ Supra's on my block, and I enjoy being different.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Dude... heheheee your post crack me up. You want like HUGE Amounts of power but don't forget. To take this in mind. When you get your 400hp Supra and some of us get our Celica's up to 350ish... better like the looks of our Tail lights... we have a better Power to Weight Ratio.


Funniest thing I've heard in a long time. MKIV...FOLLOW THE LEADER

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
hehehee... u better get yourself a trailor because ur gona find it hard to drive everyday.

I love it when people think they can have a 5trillion hp car and drive it to the store for milk or to school. It dosent work that way. I think anything more than 400hp is rediculous because of the gas mileage and the type of octane you'll have to use. Bulletproof or not its gona be a biatch when ur going on a freeway on ramp and u hit boost and ur car spins all over the place.


BPU Supra's will dyno anywhere from 380 and up for a little under $2,000. Ask Mark Tozer from the Suprastore he will tell you as he is the one who invented "BPU". All this talk about wanting to be different is just an excuse for not having a Supra. You can straight up lie to all of us here and tell us if given the choice you would choose your celica over a Supra TT because you want to be "different"and it'll be nothing short of risible. There are more celica's out on the road than Supras and the celica has only been out for 3 years as opposed to 5 with the MKIV. Not trying to be a **** (and if I am coming off that way, my apologies) but the celica turbocharged or not is a joke when compared to the KING of imports--MKIV Supra.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I think people are underestimating the power this car holds.

[ToyoGT]

Don't take offense to anything I said, just stating my opinion. Peace :)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I understand... all I'm saying is @ 2500lbs with 350hp... Supra with 400hp @ 3300lbs. We'll see. All I'm saying is that we need to start looking at ours cars differently. The Honda guys swear by there cars and most of the Celica owners here complain about them. We have awesome cars love it everytime you drive it

[ToyoGT]

What you're saying is very true. If it weren't for you guys GT's wouldn't even have a prayer for forced induction other than nitrous. I mean who knows, maybe the 1ZZ will become the next 3SGTE???? maybe a stretch but no one knows until you try, you know?

As for what you're saying about 2500lbs with 350hp... Supra with 400hp @ 3300lbs....from a stop you will spin like crazy thru at least 1st gear, don't know about 2nd but I imagine the same thing happening. From a roll on the otherhand...I can see it happening. I don't know, so many things can factor into something like this. I guess you guys will find out real soon, then you can come back and let us know how it went :) By the way, do you have pictures of your car??????

[pepsiman]

i should be complaining.. and all of you should be complaining too..
i have 2000 celica GT-S and 2 1/2 yrs of intake,exhaust, n S-AFC made me like this... trust me.. i love celicas but lack of aftermarket support~ ah~~ i can't take it anymore....

AND for that supra comment...
BPU kit is under $2000 and BPU supras r really fast~ 400hp-460hp.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Dude... heheheee your post crack me up. You want like HUGE Amounts of power but don't forget. To take this in mind. When you get your 400hp Supra and some of us get our Celica's up to 350ish... better like the looks of our Tail lights... we have a better Power to Weight Ratio.

The better traction from a rear-wheel drive Supra compensates for alot of the power-to-ratio advantage. 350 hp on a FWD will result in lots of time-killing wheelspin unless you go to a drag-race focused suspension set-up that would kill the Celica's handling in all other types of driving.

Not to mention that for the price it would take to get a Celica up to 350 hp, you'd have a Supra at around 500hp still on stock internals.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
I understand... all I'm saying is @ 2500lbs with 350hp... Supra with 400hp @ 3300lbs. We'll see. All I'm saying is that we need to start looking at ours cars differently. The Honda guys swear by there cars and most of the Celica owners here complain about them. We have awesome cars love it everytime you drive it

Here's the thing. A lot of peeps here laugh at Honda guys that think their cars are basically UNBEATABLE and don't see their cars' limitations. Loving our Celicas doesn't mean turning into MORONS who have no perspective about what this car's limitations are. This talk about Supra TT's "looking at our tailights" sounds alot like the crap that comes from the "HONDA IS GOD" crowd.

[juicedcelica]

Just something to think about .... my neighbor drives his supra daily all 1050hp of it.... at 3300 lbs it's insane I just sold my R1 if you know anything about them mine was 153bhp and 376lbs the supra owned me it was the craziest thing I have ever seen off the line from a roll the supra owned me no matter what I did if I were looking for insane power the supra is the way to go .... but then again I am looking to be oriiginal with my car and wouldn't dare to damage a supra with my styling choice's that is the one car I believe should be left for the racer's

[Sublime]

If you're talking stock internals, its close. The GT could run more boost, but the GTS will give you more revs. It'll probably balance out. Since boosting a 2zz with stock compression is like masturbating with a cheese grater (at first strangly satisfying, but overall a painful experience) and we'd modify the CR on both engines I'd give the victory handly to the 2zz. It has a bigger boar, thus more port area. When you're talking FI on the bleeding edge, craming over 4 liters of displacement into a 1.8L engine its all about flow and thats all about port size. Not to meantion the extra RPMs.

[Tony01Gts]

Nearly impossible to get a supra tt in the tampa area... and you're gonna spend 25k on a 94 with almost 100k miles.

[chrisle7220]

yup, Sublime is completely right. But the gt-s wont be that much faster then a gt. when you lower compression, you lose compression. you dont lose all that 40hp difference, but you may lose around 20hp. so in the end, the gt-s will still have that 20hp advantage over the gt. but its all about money, the more money you spend, the faster your car should be.

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Honda Stompr eh? ;)

So is this refering to all honda's? I'm confused... so your saying a Celica can beat a Turbo'd Civic Si, Honda Civic Type R, Acura NSX (oh wait, you most likely didn't know that Honda makes the engine in that), Acura Integra Type R (guess what, they make the engine in this too), Honds S2000, or pretty much any honda crx with a swap and/or a turbo kit??? I would love to see a celica romp on a CRX with a GSR motor, that would make my day. You guys should really do your homework before you make such comments.

[Furies]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


So is this refering to all honda's? I'm confused... so your saying a Celica can beat a Turbo'd Civic Si, Honda Civic Type R, Acura NSX (oh wait, you most likely didn't know that Honda makes the engine in that), Acura Integra Type R (guess what, they make the engine in this too), Honds S2000, or pretty much any honda crx with a swap and/or a turbo kit??? I would love to see a celica romp on a CRX with a GSR motor, that would make my day. You guys should really do your homework before you make such comments.

what are you talking about?......no one said anything about beating hondas...thats juss his screen name.......

[MyWhiteCivic]

How do I change my name on this board. I want it to be: I Eat Celica Rice.

[2zzTrix]

Do any of you guys know when the SC is going to be released for the 2zzGE engine in the Matrix? And can someone that has one one their GT-S please give me some feedback on how well it works. Basically does it work the kink out of the bottom end?

[2zzTrix]

Hey "MyWhiteCivic" I bought my Matrix XRS just to eat up chumps in pokey ass civics. You don't stand a chance. I test drove the new SI after I bought my Matrix just to see the difference and the Si was a friggin joke less space and less hp.:whogives:

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic
How do I change my name on this board. I want it to be: I Eat Celica Rice.

Hey what tha fuq u doin? if you don't like toyotas than get tha phuck outta here..
Most* hondas are rice,slow,fugly,and think they r fast LOL..
i saw too many civics with supra style spoilers n NOS sticker on tha side.. compare to Honda ricers, Toyota owners r less ricer.


*forgot to mention.. I have respect for GSR,NSX,Type-R...etc..but not civic...

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by 2zzTrix
Do any of you guys know when the SC is going to be released for the 2zzGE engine in the Matrix? And can someone that has one one their GT-S please give me some feedback on how well it works. Basically does it work the kink out of the bottom end?

SC is already released in Japan.. Thats all i know..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by pepsiman


Hey what tha fuq u doin? if you don't like toyotas than get tha phuck outta here..
Most* hondas are rice,slow,fugly,and think they r fast LOL..
i saw too many civics with supra style spoilers n NOS sticker on tha side.. compare to Honda ricers, Toyota owners r less ricer.


*forgot to mention.. I have respect for GSR,NSX,Type-R...etc..but not civic...

Just try to ignore that MyWhiteCivic guy. He obviously wants you to get into an immature name-calling contest, and you're doing just that. No need to diss Hondas and go down to his childish level, man. There are many well-tuned Civics out there that should also be respected.

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by 2zzTrix
Do any of you guys know when the SC is going to be released for the 2zzGE engine in the Matrix? And can someone that has one one their GT-S please give me some feedback on how well it works. Basically does it work the kink out of the bottom end?

Do you live in the Bucks County Area? I'll show you what a Honda Civic can do. I'll tell ya what, I'll evenkeep my street tires on there instead of using slicks.

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by pepsiman


Hey what tha fuq u doin? if you don't like toyotas than get tha phuck outta here..
Most* hondas are rice,slow,fugly,and think they r fast LOL..
i saw too many civics with supra style spoilers n NOS sticker on tha side.. compare to Honda ricers, Toyota owners r less ricer.


*forgot to mention.. I have respect for GSR,NSX,Type-R...etc..but not civic...

You have not looked around this forum then. There is no useful information at all. You guys are all going on rumors and theories. Do some real research. And by the way... rice is rice!

[2zzTrix]

Here is my civic eater. This is my 1st gen teg and it will chew up your civic along with my heavy ass Matrix. BTW I do know what I am talking about, I sell and install all your little go-fast parts all day. You wanna explain how a Civic SI with 160hp and lifters can out due a GT-S/XRS with 180hp with lifters. Also the lift kicks in at the same rpm's so how is that justified?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid22/p6983ce46cb847d2dacb6656394f56383/fdaadda1.jpg

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


You have not looked around this forum then. There is no useful information at all. You guys are all going on rumors and theories. Do some real research. And by the way... rice is rice!

If you did a GSR engine swap than ur car is not a civic..
don't be so proud of your civic.. and this is NEWCELICA organization site.. shiet talkin biatch like you make civic owners look bad.

[larryd]

Originally posted by pepsiman
*forgot to mention.. I have respect for GSR,NSX,Type-R...etc..but not civic...

dude, your a friggin idiot.. how would you feel about a Civic with an LS block/ Vtec head and Jackson Racing S/C running 10lbs of boost on forged internals.. no respect huh.. your the kinda idiot I like to stomp in my Eclipse, wether you drive a Toyota, Honda, Mitsu, Geo.. whatever

[caz]

Originally posted by larryd


dude, your a friggin idiot.. how would you feel about a Civic with an LS block/ Vtec head and Jackson Racing S/C running 10lbs of boost on forged internals.. no respect huh.. your the kinda idiot I like to stomp in my Eclipse, wether you drive a Toyota, Honda, Mitsu, Geo.. whatever

amen to that

[*GTSpeed*]

Face it... GT's are slower than GTS's and even if you gave them equal HP, GTSs still have a longer RPM range and madd kick at the end. GTS for sure.

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by larryd


dude, your a friggin idiot.. how would you feel about a Civic with an LS block/ Vtec head and Jackson Racing S/C running 10lbs of boost on forged internals.. no respect huh.. your the kinda idiot I like to stomp in my Eclipse, wether you drive a Toyota, Honda, Mitsu, Geo.. whatever

sorry dude.. maybe i was lil pissed by that whitecivic boy..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by pepsiman


sorry dude.. maybe i was lil pissed by that whitecivic boy..

Like I said before, be more MATURE than the idiots, or you'll end up sounding just like 'em. There are tons of well-tuned B16A-powered Civics (supercharged, turbocharged, or all-motor) that could frankly run circles around most of our Celicas. Hehe, sometimes, the immature Honda-hating and Civic-hating stuff I read here makes me think that many guys on this board are NO BETTER than the morons that believe "Honda Is Unbeatable.";)

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by larryd


dude, your a friggin idiot.. how would you feel about a Civic with an LS block/ Vtec head and Jackson Racing S/C running 10lbs of boost on forged internals.. no respect huh.. your the kinda idiot I like to stomp in my Eclipse, wether you drive a Toyota, Honda, Mitsu, Geo.. whatever

That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board. It seems like everyone on here is constantly talking about how they are going to get this forced induction system but they don't even know what an intercooler or aftercooler does. In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation. Just because you put altezza's on your celica, it doesn't mean you can beat everything!

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation.

Hehe, I doubt that Toyota was thinking about a movie that was not made yet when they were designing the 7th gen Celica is the late '90's (It debuted in Fall '99). You, my friend, also have a little growing up to do.;)

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board. It seems like everyone on here is constantly talking about how they are going to get this forced induction system but they don't even know what an intercooler or aftercooler does. In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation. Just because you put altezza's on your celica, it doesn't mean you can beat everything!

dude that action package bull**** came out a full year or more after the 7th gen celicas came out.

when the car came out, it had a few things going for it that were NOT rice.

1) non-ricey, yet aggressive looks. none of that tacked on aftermarket body panel stuff. depends on tastes, but likers/haters all agree it was different, and at least bold. nice for a cheap sport compact.

2) weight. or lackthereof. 2500lb curb weight.

3) a 180hp engine that was second only to Porsche in using an infinitely variable valve timing with electronic lift control design. beat honda to the punch for once at this game...hell if you look at the design/setup, the RSX is like a more luxurious, bigger celica. layout of the engine, engine technology, suspension, overall feel, etc. the Celica GT-S is like an RSX Type S that is trying to mimic the Integra Type R.

4) put 2 and 3 together = quick.

5) handles very well. the only thing that beats it stock for stock in it's category is the old Integra Type R. and even then, the GT-S outbrakes it, and has that 'mass production' excuse. modified, all you need to do is look at hotchkis tuning's celica, which pulls 1.04g on the skidpad, and 75mph in the slalom, and stops from 60-0 in 96 feet. it has potential.

6) it so far has succesfully fended off all the newcomers in terms of overall performance. (considering the celica was the first of these 'new age' sport compacts like the RSX, new Si, Focus SVT, SE-R Spec V, Tiburon GT, etc.) they may run right with it in straight line, but it demolishes all of them on a track, even the crappy mag drivers who usually can't tell a steering wheel from a doorknob agree.

but what ends up happening? the masses start doing F&F ****, and Toyota smells a profit, so they start mass producing their bodykits (even then, an action package celica, left at that, is the least rice a car can possibly get, to me anyway, just because it's a dealer installed option, and doesn't look too insane or tacky, a simple sentra with altezzas is more rice), and aftermarket, REAL aftermarket, like n/a parts, suffer. it's not the car's fault...actually it is, but just because people rice out their car, shouldn't mean you should look down on the car.

when i say it is the car's fault, i mean it's partly also due to the 2ZZ-GE's inherent 'user-unfriendly' quality when it comes to modifications. even right down to the cams, headers, etc. traditional complex, frustrating, toyota design.

if it wasn't for the fact that the high compression nature of the motor makes it respond well to the little bolt-ons we do have, there wouldn't even be that little support for it.

however, any serious racer (:chuckles: ) will tell you to put your money where your mouth is (and now this is addressing the rest of the celica guys here who AREN'T into full-out drag racing), and there are plenty of suspension and tranny mods, and intake/exhaust is good enough for 10-15+whp. so there should be no excuses...if you don't already have a car that can compete with hotchkis' celica (which only has an air filter and an exhaust), and a driver (you) that can compete with john hotchkis (tip: go to a driving school) then keep your mouth shut, and work harder for more money.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by larryd


dude, your a friggin idiot.. how would you feel about a Civic with an LS block/ Vtec head and Jackson Racing S/C running 10lbs of boost on forged internals.. no respect huh.. your the kinda idiot I like to stomp in my Eclipse, wether you drive a Toyota, Honda, Mitsu, Geo.. whatever

Thank you Larry!!!
Pepsiman...
You need to stop posting your a moron. I usually don't flame but you just posted a few days ago that you wanted a Civic with a Engine swap http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24767. You need to relax pal. Its people like you that talk crap and dont realize that that lil civic will run 11's all days while you are running 15's.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Oh yeah mr civic... FnF came out after the Celica did. And i've seen more Farting Civics since FnF came out... STFU.

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Oh yeah mr civic... FnF came out after the Celica did. And i've seen more Farting Civics since FnF came out... STFU.

"Rice is Rice". I'm not saying that most civic's aren't rice. But I am saying that if you put a body kit or altezza's on your car... your car is a ricer! All of the people on this board talk about how they have an intake and strut bars and a muffler and how their car is the quickest thing on 4 wheels. Wrong again! I cannot believe how many people on here get so offended when you tell them that the body kit doesn't look good. I have a better idea, do some real mods to your car then talk about how fast it is.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Look at my mods.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

What do you have on your Civic? DX with S/C? SOHC with 180hp?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

How much HP from the Type R and Spoon Stickers Son.

[larryd]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board. It seems like everyone on here is constantly talking about how they are going to get this forced induction system but they don't even know what an intercooler or aftercooler does. In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation. Just because you put altezza's on your celica, it doesn't mean you can beat everything!

you need to lose your attitude if you intend on sticking around here. I wont think 2x before removing your access if you continue to post nothing but rude and insulting comments regarding the Celica and this sites members. If you want to carry an intelligent conversation then feel free but drop the sarcastic comments and name calling or leave, its a simple choice

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
How much HP from the Type R and Spoon Stickers Son.

No stickers but thanks for your concern. I'm nearing 240 horses with a SOHC untuned with a T3/T4 turbo. As soon as my block comes back from the shop, I should be able to up the boost to around 20-25 for street and push out about 330-350 hp. But since it's a civic, it must be slow. ;-)

[larryd]

you can serioulsy run that much boost on a SOHC block?? my friend just turbo his SOHC, tiny ass turbo and only 5psi but its still sposed to be quick

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Mr White Civic you are full of flying Sh!t. I had a 1998 Civic SiR right hand drive import, t3/t4 turbo, guarded block, forged 8.75:1 pistons, rods, Custom Straight Pipe exhaust, Apexi BOV, Apexi FMIC... pushing 15psi and that was on a DOHC and the engine was getting maxed out. I was pushing 285hp. You are a lying POS and if my lil black Hatch didn't get stolen Id drive down to Jamison and shut your SOHC arsh up. God I hate it when Honda people come over here and think us Celica people know nothing of Hondas and Forced Induction. Half of us had Hondas before this.

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Mr White Civic you are full of flying Sh!t. I had a 1998 Civic SiR right hand drive import, t3/t4 turbo, guarded block, forged 8.75:1 pistons, rods, Custom Straight Pipe exhaust, Apexi BOV, Apexi FMIC... pushing 15psi and that was on a DOHC and the engine was getting maxed out. I was pushing 285hp. You are a lying POS and if my lil black Hatch didn't get stolen Id drive down to Jamison and shut your SOHC arsh up. God I hate it when Honda people come over here and think us Celica people know nothing of Hondas and Forced Induction. Half of us had Hondas before this.

Well I'm not sure why you only went with 8.75:1 compression for 15 PSI of boost. That seems like it would be a little high. I went with 8:1 compression, forged rods, resleeved the block at Goldenegle (thats where it is right now), ARP headstuds, STR blockgaurd, RC injectors, a full 3" straight pipe (yes, 3 inches from the turbo's exhuast turbine back), HKS SS BOV, Custom intercooler (7x2 row 28" but only 2" inlet and outlet), and Hondata 2b w/ datalogging. lol, your funny, only 285 hp from a SiR DOHC block (was it first or second gen?), those blocks max out much higher than my SOHC D16Z6 block and you were only running 285 hp... why? Those blocks easily hit 350+ hp. I've heard of one guy who ran 370+ hp with a NX/turbo setup on his USDM B16A. Who said you were maxing out? Whoever it was, was lying to you. Were you running standalone or a piggyback?

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic
But since it's a civic, it must be slow. ;-)

well.... ;) :D a fwd civic with a lot of torque being put down at those front wheels....wouldn't exactly be 'quick' on a track. maybe at a drag strip :) (same for a fwd anything, and actually you'd be hard pressed to get it to run a quick time without spinning like crazy at a drag strip)

these cars weren't exactly built for drag racing...if honda's Type Rs are all built for road racing, that should be an indication.

not knocking on ya, import drag racing is a real industry and props to anyone who can compete, but this is just more of a followup to my post above, it's funny how people complain about rice, when their definition of fast ends up being a fwd import that isn't any more reliable than any rwd domestic, doesn't make power as easily, and is harder to run. and then you make statements like 'In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation.'...have you even driven the celica on a track (not a drag strip)? or even an ITR? hell an autox would do as well (although i hear the celica GT is better suited for autox than the GT-S).

however, modding an import is mostly done not only for drag racing, but street racing as well (which is the same thing, just more common, and on streets). now who's the FnF fan? :p

[MyWhiteCivic]

Originally posted by t2000gts


well.... ;) :D a fwd civic with a lot of torque being put down at those front wheels....wouldn't exactly be 'quick' on a track. maybe at a drag strip :) (same for a fwd anything, and actually you'd be hard pressed to get it to run a quick time without spinning like crazy at a drag strip)

these cars weren't exactly built for drag racing...if honda's Type Rs are all built for road racing, that should be an indication.

not knocking on ya, import drag racing is a real industry and props to anyone who can compete, but this is just more of a followup to my post above, it's funny how people complain about rice, when their definition of fast ends up being a fwd import that isn't any more reliable than any rwd domestic, doesn't make power as easily, and is harder to run. and then you make statements like 'In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation.'...have you even driven the celica on a track (not a drag strip)? or even an ITR? hell an autox would do as well (although i hear the celica GT is better suited for autox than the GT-S).

however, modding an import is mostly done not only for drag racing, but street racing as well (which is the same thing, just more common, and on streets). now who's the FnF fan? :p

True FWD car's are not great for the track just because of the way the weight get's thrown to the rear wheels. But they can run good times if you stiffen up the rear suspension and lossen up the front (I love adjustable shocks). I recently put on radius arms and they help a lot for FWD cars to get a good launch. Along with slicks :) . The reason I made the comment on the F&F thing is because everyone on here is constantly talking about an injen intake they got or a new 4.5 inch muffler they just got installed. It seems like you guys are only interested in the looks and the sound of your cars. I've never been interested in auto-xing or anything like that but FWD cars aren't great for that either. For auto-xing, AWD or even RWD has to be the best way to go just because of the steering issues with FWD. And yes, I have driven a 00' Celica GT-S (on the street) and yes I do agree that it handles nice but if someone can show me a daily driven, new style celica that can run a 12 second ET I would be very surprised. As for street racing... it's dumb. Cops are too plentyful and tickets are very expensive. Unless your street racing for a lot of money, it's not worth the time or problems that can occur by doing it.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

8:1? How are you going to handle the lag. Dude I can already tell you know nothing about turbocharging. Yes Low compression is good but dude... 8:1 is rediculous on a Civic. 8.75:1 gives me good spool up and enough compression to take advantage of the air going in. 8:1, How are you going to start your car there pal. Thats rediculous. You suck. Get out of here. Oh yeah and your 12 second Celica... give me a few more weeks Mr Civic and we'll be in the 13's.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


True FWD car's are not great for the track just because of the way the weight get's thrown to the rear wheels. But they can run good times if you stiffen up the rear suspension and lossen up the front (I love adjustable shocks). I recently put on radius arms and they help a lot for FWD cars to get a good launch. Along with slicks :) . The reason I made the comment on the F&F thing is because everyone on here is constantly talking about an injen intake they got or a new 4.5 inch muffler they just got installed. It seems like you guys are only interested in the looks and the sound of your cars. I've never been interested in auto-xing or anything like that but FWD cars aren't great for that either. For auto-xing, AWD or even RWD has to be the best way to go just because of the steering issues with FWD. And yes, I have driven a 00' Celica GT-S (on the street) and yes I do agree that it handles nice but if someone can show me a daily driven, new style celica that can run a 12 second ET I would be very surprised. As for street racing... it's dumb. Cops are too plentyful and tickets are very expensive. Unless your street racing for a lot of money, it's not worth the time or problems that can occur by doing it.

there isn't much out for our cars besides intakes and exhausts. manufacturers just shower us with all rice mods because it's the only thing they can make cheaply. there just are no mods out right now, you will not see a 12 second celica because there are no turboes, no superchargers, nothing. you can get custom engine internals done, and use nitrous though, but nobody has done that yet. some people have run with smaller shots (best time being 13.12 for a 50 shot...trap speeds usually vary from 104-106mph).

also, a FWD is more adept at road courses or autox, then it is for drag racing right out of the box. so if you'd argue about getting AWD or RWD for autox, you can argue the same, even moreso about drag racing ;) it's not the platform that matters as much for those things as it is the driver. a good driver in a bone stock celica GT can embarass a newbie in a porsche (in autox, i don't think any amount of inexperience can have a fast porsche run that much slower on a course that has room to speed up).

the GT-S was made with the 'sportiness' factor defined as on a road course or a circuit. same for most performance hondas. the guys who make these cars, and the guys who race the cars as they were meant to be, probably wouldn't be impressed with a 12 second ET. might be impressed with good, consistent, lap times however.

but we are in the good ol' USA, and our idea of 'import tuning' is pretty drastically different from the folks across the pacific, so...you can probably run a completely worked 2ZZ powered Celica into the 9s/10s like most any other 4 cylinder engined car. that's what world racing/trd told us (they're drag racing a 3S-GTE powered new celica...they were trying with the 2ZZ, but it couldn't hold insane levels of power, like over 800whp as well as the 3S-GTE). that's completely stripping apart the engine, using all reinforced internals, and a ton of boost, a completely reworked drag racing suspension/chassis, etc. basically a drag race team.

it's still a celica, it has the body, and the engine. but with enough money, you can make anything go fast in a straight line. if you're wondering about for the average guy in a street driven car, bolt an I/E and a 50 shot onto a GTS 6-speed with LSD and drag radials, and if you're really lucky with the launch (difference between a 12.9 or a 13.9 with those mods), or up the shot to 75, you might hit 12s.

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic


That is the most intelligent thing I have read on this board. It seems like everyone on here is constantly talking about how they are going to get this forced induction system but they don't even know what an intercooler or aftercooler does. In my opinion, the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation. Just because you put altezza's on your celica, it doesn't mean you can beat everything!

Altezza Style Tail lights... Are you one of those ricers with Supra Style spoiler or Celica Style headlight? lol j/k

[Ion]

you guys sound like a bunch of whiney little school girls.

[MyWhiteCivic]

I posted on this board because I was trying to rationalize why people would post on it. It seems to be that everone is contrantly talking about their new lights or their intake. I think this board should go into some technical stuff.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic
I posted on this board because I was trying to rationalize why people would post on it. It seems to be that everone is contrantly talking about their new lights or their intake. I think this board should go into some technical stuff.

Hehe, this coming from someone who posts "intelligent technical info" such as, "I eat Celica Rice" and " the new celica was made mainly for the ricer F&F generation." Give me a break. I know one way YOU can decrease the amount of stupidity on this messageboard: stop posting on it.;)

[MyWhiteCivic]

Oh that's nice... and what do you have done to your car? I'll bet you have a GT too.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by MyWhiteCivic
Oh that's nice... and what do you have done to your car? I'll bet you have a GT too.

Yawn. I have little interest in debating someone with so little maturity and intelligence. If you ever miraculously develop either one of those attributes, try me again.;)

[larryd]

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