I'm about to sell this f*cking car! [Archive]

MKE

08-21-2007, 07:06 PM

Just a rant.

Today, driving home, just after getting my oil changed, i'm assuming my lift bolt snapped. I was in 3rd gear, just hit lift and all of a sudden i hear this loud snap and then something bouncing around in the engine, all my lights came on so i turned it off, let it coast to a stop, and now it will not turn over anymore.

I have a warranty so it will get fixed regardless, but i just went 2 weeks without it to get the transmission rebuilt, a couple months ago the waterpump went and i was without it for 3 days, it's been in the shop for body work for a total of 3 weeks, and im just sick of it. i need a daily driver, not a 'when it feels like driving' driver.

What really pisses me off, is i just got the oil changed w/ full synthetic, got it aligned, got the tires re sealed (or something like that) and i just ordered liftbolts on friday!. I was supposed to go to ozzfest in PA on the 18'th so i was making sure everything that could go wrong was addressed.

I'm also pissed at the dealer. As i said in a thread i made for the waterpump, even after it was done i noticed an odd noise in the engine, amongst an "unrelated cel code" and they wouldn't do anything about it. They kept saying there was nothing wrong with it, they couldn't hear anything and i was just retarded. So i even went back when i heard the noise and made them come out and listen, he did and said "ok, let me tell the guy that is assigned to you and he'll get ahold of you. Well 2 months later this happens.

I'm going to get this engine fixed, and sell it. I love this car when it works, but i can't put up with this anymore. I'm going to buy another tiburon. Not as quick, doesn't look as good, but i had no problems with it at all.

kennyz

08-21-2007, 07:15 PM

Gotta take care of your car if you want it working :)

enthennd

08-21-2007, 07:20 PM

Dang, the whole reliable thing just left you. (non-tiburon wise)

MKE

08-21-2007, 07:21 PM

i do take care of it, that's what pisses me off. i do all the regular maintenance before it's due, and 2 months ago i was told the lift bolts were fine, showed no signs of wear, and i did not need to change them. i put more money in this car then should ever be needed to keep it running on a regular business.

Whoever owned the car before me didn't take care of it. I've only had it since march and had nothing but problems with it.

kennyz

08-21-2007, 07:27 PM

Sorry to hear that man. Sh*t happens. Good luck!

Sty09

08-21-2007, 07:40 PM

grommy

08-22-2007, 06:40 AM

"I was in 3rd gear, just hit lift" and you expect this car to last long ? haha
i bet you hit lift every day you drive...

WillyWonka

08-22-2007, 06:46 AM

I'm also pissed at the dealer. As i said in a thread i made for the waterpump, even after it was done i noticed an odd noise in the engine, amongst an "unrelated cel code" and they wouldn't do anything about it. They kept saying there was nothing wrong with it, they couldn't hear anything and i was just retarded. So i even went back when i heard the noise and made them come out and listen, he did and said "ok, let me tell the guy that is assigned to you and he'll get ahold of you. Well 2 months later this happens.
Next time there's a problem, don't wait. You're the customer.

GrimIndustries

08-22-2007, 07:56 AM

"I was in 3rd gear, just hit lift" and you expect this car to last long ? haha
i bet you hit lift every day you drive...

Hitting lift often isn't going to cause something like that if the bolts are good. It should last forever, it's doing what it's designed to do. It's not bad for the car.

When I'm on the road course, I hit lift (or ideally remain in lift) for 15 to 30 minutes at a time with a redline of 8700 on my pfc and not a single problem. Not a one. My brakes take more abuse than my engine. I just make sure I replace my bolts every 15 tho.

BTW dude, sorry to hear about your car. You should get a DD. I just picked one up last week for this winter so my celica can sit in the garage and get some big boy toys that I couldn't have when it was a DD.

marc

08-22-2007, 08:02 AM

sounds a little more serious than a broken lift bolt

03GTSTRD

08-22-2007, 08:09 AM

I would try a different dealership. The one you have been using sounds terrible. Good luck getting your car fixed.

ExNihilo

08-22-2007, 08:50 AM

It sounds a little suspicious, something breaking just after getting an oil change. Maybe they messed something up?

Blue Bomber

08-22-2007, 09:07 AM

sounds a little more serious than a broken lift bolt

It sounds a little suspicious, something breaking just after getting an oil change. Maybe they messed something up?
:werd: and :werd:

You'd never be able to hear a lift bolt snap or rattle inside the engine under the engine's usual noise. It would have to be something big for a noise that loud. Did you check your oil level after the car died? Noises like you explained sound more like you threw a rod...

MKE

08-22-2007, 09:54 AM

The problem with going to another dealership, is there isn't one in my area, and the last time i took it to just a repair shop, it took him 3-4 days longer just waiting for the parts.

Then, as for how serious it is, i dont know. I just assumed that's what it was- IF i hit lift and heard the snap, then the piece is bouncing around under the valve cover off the cams and whatnot. But again i have no idea. I'm going to call the shop around 5 or 6 to find out if they found anything out.

And as for the oil thing, you bet your ass that's the first thing i did lol. Burnt my fnger because i only had paper towel, but it looked ok (it was hovering on the top dot). But then i looked below and saw on the underpanel something liquid on it. it wasn't raining but maybe that was old oil.

As for getting rid of the car, i really like this one. It's fun, fast, looks better then any other car i could get, but i can't afford the payment on this (only 135$ a month) and another cheap car, school, and gas w/ living 30 miles away from everything. Plus, the celica would just sit there because i would have no money to do anything to it.

But i dont know. Everything is telling me to keep it since its going to have pretty much a new engine, tranny was just done, i was about to order some tein coilovers and rear sways, there's no rust under the hood or anything. I am looking though, i can say that.

Dasher17

08-22-2007, 09:55 AM

sounds a little more serious than a broken lift bolt

x2

With broken lift bolts the car will still run, you just can't hit lift. And they are so small there's no way you heard it nor could it have been bouncing around the engine considering where they are. Sounds like something a whole lot worse.

Celica402GTS

08-22-2007, 10:15 AM

how old is the car?? if u got warranty on it, just get it all done under warranty..if u still feel like it's unreliable, trade it or buy something else..like a corolla or something..

Sexy GTS

08-22-2007, 11:11 AM

MKE

08-22-2007, 11:22 AM

well, i just got a call back and here's what they said.

He had to get the ok from me to dissasemble the engine, just incase the warranty company doesn't cover it (for some reason). And if they don't cover it, i'm out 800$.

I'm about to call the warranty company to find out wtf that was for, but he said i have a broken piston.

F'ing sweet. :faint:

MKE

08-22-2007, 11:49 AM

booge71

08-22-2007, 01:14 PM

Best of luck with that sad to hear, keep us posted especially about the extended warranty thing, I too have a 3rd party extended warranty on my Celica and am freaked out that this may happen one day on mine. Oh and I'm assuming having the wrong oil filter, and oil amount after the change could play a huge factor. Keep us posted.

deltaB

08-22-2007, 01:34 PM

My 1ZZ oil filters are noticeably smaller than my 2ZZ filters. They have the same thread though.
dB

GTShondakilla

08-22-2007, 01:45 PM

Yes it makes a difference how much they put in it. If they put too much in bad things can happen.

5w30 will be good, regular or synthetic is fine.

GSBoek

08-22-2007, 02:13 PM

Ok, quick question.

They want all of my oil change receipts (all 3 of them). So i'm looking them over, and they have my engine as the 1zz-fe, not the 2zz-ge engine. Does that make a difference with how much oil they put in, what type, and what type of filter that it could have caused this problem. I switched to full synthetic last oil change (6/7/07 w/ 61,952 miles, just got it changed yesterday on 8/21/07 w/ 66xxx miles) so they wouldn't use the "factory spec" stuff anyway. but i need to know before i go up there.
1ZZ uses less oil and has a different filter (sizewise it's smaller). I know the 2ZZ uses 4.8 qts with filter change, 4.5 without. As for the 1ZZ I don't remember by heart but I thought it was 4.2 with filter and 4.0 qts without or maybe a bit less.

Now you should know that hitting Lift when low on oil could potentially cause oil starvation in other parts of the engine. Now it's a long shot, but if the shop that did your oilchange filled the oil to 1ZZ specs with a 1ZZ filter you might be looking at being up to 1 qt low already from the get go. Under normal circumstances your engine should be able to survive, but if anything was already a bit out of spec, hitting Lift and the additional stress it puts on the whole system might just have been too much.

The above is theoretical, but I say it because the dealer might try to screw you in that direction if they are asking for your oilchange receipts. By the way you described things I'm with the others that pointed out to more serious stuff like thrown rods.

MKE

08-22-2007, 03:20 PM

Well, the guy at firestone said the 1zz and 2zz use the same filter, and that wouldn't have caused any damage.

So only time will tell (probably saturday or monday)

GSBoek

08-22-2007, 07:27 PM

Well, they don't use the same filter, I have both and the factory 1ZZ filter is about an inch shorter than the 2ZZ filter. He's right though that 1ZZ filter on a 2ZZ won't ruin the engine.

RadeonX

08-22-2007, 10:43 PM

you also said that you checked the oil and it read at the full mark so idk if that would be the case. as for a broken lift bolt im pretty positive thats not was the problem is. heard of a lot of people breaking lift bolts but never anything like that happening. also idk how the lift bolt could get anywhere that would completely stop the engine from turning over..... could always just pull the valve cover and find out for yourself if thats what happened. not a very hard process.

GT-StreetCrime

08-22-2007, 11:25 PM

ok...i know that 2nd grear lift ends at about 60mph....what does 3rd gear lift end at?? how fast were you going? and why would you be needing to hit lift in 3rd anyway? Be nice to your car and it will be nice to you. you said you just got it back for trany rebuild. So its obvious your not that nice to your celica.

Ha ha! Hitting Lift 3rd through 4th is the reason I like the GT-S...It's probably the funnest thing about the car. I guess I'm not very nice to my Celi...I just keep it in a clean garage and buy toys for it ha ha.

GSBoek

08-23-2007, 05:00 AM

By the end of 3rd gear lift speed is close to 90mph on the higher fuelcut cars. I haven't seen the end of 4th gear lift yet, but I think it's close to 115, I've only taken my car to 110mph in 4th.

XerotheCelica

08-24-2007, 12:14 AM

If you take care of your car, the car will take care of you :)

irocman20001

08-24-2007, 12:43 AM

I have taken care of mine an babied it sents the new motor. i hardly ever get on it i have made a few passes at the track with it an put a new clutch an flywheel in it. change the oil every 3000 miles. i have 10000 miles on the new motor that was put in a year an half ago.an my oil pump went out. But i am glad i have come across this site bc i have learned alot about the 2zzge motor.

lambocelica1510

08-24-2007, 11:01 AM

i hear ya man i blew my first motor cause the person before me didnt take car of it and then i blew the second one because my oil pump stopped working while i was doing 85 on the interstate. so im completely redoing it all badass like and buying just a cheap car for most daily drive

MKE

08-24-2007, 08:40 PM

Well, called the dealership and they said something on the intake system broke, cause a valve to break on cylinder 2, causing the piston to break, also damaging the rod, crankshaft, and block. Obviously the head is destroyed so they said the whole engine will need to be replaced.

The insurance guy is coming out on monday to look at it and let me know if it's covered or not. SO i guess until then i'm keeping my fingers crossed!

lambocelica1510

08-25-2007, 03:54 PM

if i were you i would put in some water into the engine so it looks like you hydrolocked it and then they will cover it if it rained anytime there lately otherwise i dont think it will be covered ..........I HAVE BEEN THERE TOO LOL i have had some bad luck with this car it sucks ass

lamboceliGTS

08-25-2007, 03:56 PM

damn good luck.

MKE

08-25-2007, 09:17 PM

There's really not much i could do to make it look more like an accident. The piston has a hole blown in it because the valve broke. Also, i had the car towed right to the garage to get started asap.

On a side note, since i can't get this off my mind until monday and i find out what's being done, i scanned the brochure with the covered parts. (i got up to the gold coverage)

http://i10.tinypic.com/62p8dx3.png

When i called the Warranty company, he said it was a "named part warranty", meaning in order for it to be covered it has to be in my policy. Well, after reading it again, and again, i read the first line where it says "All internal lubricated parts including". Now, would you take that as, the Engine is the named part, but the parts listed are just there as an example of what could go and be covered? Because in the other sections it lists specifics and doesnt say "all front suspension including" etc.

Cause hell, if that's the case im not going to worry about this anymore. My engine is the part that failed, i dont know what failed and i dont care, as long as my engine is working again and all i pay is the 108.75$ for the deductible and tax.

On a side note, do you guys think i got a bad deal on the warranty? I paid 1300$ for 48 months 48000 miles w/ a 100$ deductible. I mean technically it's already paid for itself with the water pump and transmission (itself was 1500$) and if it pays for this, i'm sure they are going to hate me forever.

YakuzaCruising

08-26-2007, 09:33 PM

I feel you man. I've always been into rotary cars and DSMs. After a while, I got used to stuff breaking. Just hang through it because the good will outweigh the bad. I'm trying to get one of these because of the reliability. Hahaha...

MKE

08-28-2007, 09:13 PM

Well, they are replacing the engine (!).

Just so you all know, the warranty is through The Warranty Group. (http://www.thewarrantygroup.com/)

They have been f'ing awesome, providing quick repair approvals (same day for everything but this, which was a few but...). So far my 1200$ warranty has more then paid for itself (also get tow reimbursment and 5 day rental car) w/ 1500$ Transmission work and 400$ water pump repair. Now i cant wait to see what this bill would have been

But, when i talked to them on monday, they were still trying to locate an engine. And today at 9am he was getting started. I have to stop in tomorrow to get some papers out of my car for school so i'll find out exactly what went on.

I will admit though, i am still considering trading it in.

Yoda's Master

08-29-2007, 12:08 AM

good luck with the trip, took them 2 months to get and fit a new head onto my block :mad:

FITGT

08-29-2007, 04:44 AM

Well, the guy at firestone said the 1zz and 2zz use the same filter, and that wouldn't have caused any damage.

So only time will tell (probably saturday or monday)

Firestone FTL.

My 1ZZ oil filters are noticeably smaller than my 2ZZ filters. They have the same thread though.
dB

Well, they don't use the same filter, I have both and the factory 1ZZ filter is about an inch shorter than the 2ZZ filter. He's right though that 1ZZ filter on a 2ZZ won't ruin the engine.

:werd:

I bet that is why your engine blew.

booge71

08-29-2007, 09:09 PM

I will admit though, i am still considering trading it in.

I don't blame you for thinking of trading it in. I think I'm going to do the same as soon as my warranty is up. I think I'm going to something that's actually reliable like a new Civic Si, or RSX Type S. Atleast these cars don't have lift bolt problems what a piece of sh#$ engine design. Toyota should be ashamed of themselves for creating a car that had a known serious issue for 2 years and refused to recall it. SHAME ON YOU TOYOTA. Lift bolts=cheap crap...VTEC=atleast somewhat perfected.

MKE

08-29-2007, 09:40 PM

my problem with trading it in, is i have no idea what car i'll get. The reason i chose the celica is because there are so few of them around here. I love getting stopped by random people and being asked what it is, and what not. If i get a civic/rsx i'll fall into the typical ricer category.

i'm still looking though. i dont know, i wont get the car back until saturday at the earliest, but probably next week thursday (had a few other problems i need fixed)

Actually, i'm starting to seriously consider an RX-8