2zz vs k20 vs rotary

[scarface]

Whats actually the better of the motors? I ask cause I took a 2008 civic si for a test drive (I got a 03 Celica gts auto) and the si seemed to be faster, but I noticed that when the 2zz motor hits lift it pulls harder than the Ivtec. I got a feeling the 6spd gts is faster. Man I like the celica interior way better than the civics. But I noticed that the tranny in the civic shifts great until you try to go from 5th to 6th. Not a smooth transition plus it feels like you could actually put it into reverse by accident. Hows the C60 tranny, how do you guys find it shifts? (im talking about 03 and newer models)

Any you raced the new civic si? Im still trying to get rid of my auto and im split between a 03 - 05 celica gts, 08 Civic SI, Rx-8(haven't test driven it yet) im assuming the 1.3L rotary motor is absolutely gutless unless you keep the revs at like 7000 or more but will take it out for a test drive. Would look at a mustang but the solid rear end and the crappy interior is such a turn off.

I also took out the new Jetta (hatchback), and was actually suprised with how well it pulls. The 2.5L turbo hooks up decent with the LSD. But for a FI motor id consider it gutless. Had a better tranny than the civic by far. What you guys think

[Carbonized_GT]

Whats your price range?

And stock for stock Rotary > 2zz and k20. Just based on HP per liter.

[Genomaxter]

All 3 engines are awsome. Thats my opinion. There is no such thing as "the absolute best" in this world. There are way to many variables to have such a thing.

[KaylinSS999]

The K20 is gonna give you more torque, and the aftermarket support for the K20 is so much bigger. I've seen an RSX-S with intake, full exhaust and a retune, beat an S2000. The GT-S 2ZZ, is good, but i think they could've gone a little bigger on the displacement. I drive my dad's 6-speed RX-8 once in a while, and it does have a lot of Horsepower. But it doesn't have very much torque. It handles like a dream though. Also the rotary guzzles gas like no other. You have to remember that the K20 has been rated as the best 4 cylinder right now. I think it also has to do a lot with personal taste. I myself really love the rotary engine, just because of the engineering behind it.

[Genomaxter]

K20 is a great engine... down low where more torque is nice. Once you start boosting past 400 hp, you dont need much more torque if you have a light weight car. Rotaries are also awsome when boosted. Such awsome and efficient engines (per liter). Like I said before, it really depends on what you want to do and what you like.

[JusCruisin]

haven't been in a type s or a gts, but have been in the rx8...i thought it was awesome - loud (had cai), the power was good but the feeling was great

[Nineball]

Keep your celica and swap in a K20... Honestly.

The k20 responds well to bolt-ons/breathing mods, so it'll be relatively easy to achieve something competitive. The 2zz is a strong engine, but it's old. You'll have to know what you're doing if you go with a rotary. I'm not saying that you don't, but you also have to take into account that of those three options, the rotary is going to be the only RWD car. It'll be a different experience all-together.

[aznkhaos]

roommate has a SI. i like the power and everything but as i have a 5sp GT the 6th gear feels awkward and not as smooth as the first 5 gears. even after it was broken in. handling on it is ok i like the feel of the stock LSD though
i always like rotory engines..and from what i heard it handles really nice even though it lacks the power from the previous 13b.
GTS are nice. a mix of decent power and pretty good handling stock.

[StaticX27]

rotaries are beautiful engines, but require the most work to keep em alive and strong.

k20's were built like honda engines; built to survive world wars. 2zz's tried to do the same, but failed in aftermarket support. All of them are engines, nothing more nothing less, one is not better than the other, they're all used to do the same thing.

[KaylinSS999]

Yep, I go on the nopistons.com all the time, and they all say their 3rd Gen is a money pit.

[McCelicaGTS]

Keep your celica and swap in a K20... Honestly.


swap in a K20? That has never been done and would cost thousands for custom work. Just get a type S. Than get a K24 bottom end if you want more torque and power.

[StaticX27]

Do the custom work yourself and save a ton ;)

[Dasher17]

swap in a K20? That has never been done and would cost thousands for custom work.


Sarcasm > you

[marc]

for someone who has to actually ask this question

K20 > rotary > 2zz

for someone with some knowledge and experience

rotary > k20 > 2zz

[lVlemphizStylez]

For SOME members here...

2zz >>>>> Jesus > rotary > k20

[Genomaxter]

I think more

2zz = K20 = rotary > > > > > > > Jesus

[TUMASGTS]

which is the fastest GTS or Civic Si Type-R

[lVlemphizStylez]

what's an SI Type R???...I know of there being an SI designation and then a Type R designation...Didn't know they were double badging them...

[TUMASGTS]

Sorry, its the latest Civic Type-R

[lVlemphizStylez]

We dont have the Civic Type R in the states, so I have no idea what it runs, but it should be faster than the SI, which stock for stock is quicker than the GTS...(even though some fanboys will chime in how their modified GTS beat a stock SI...completely ignoring the stock for stock part)

[midnight2zz]

no type r in the civic yet.. however, if you think of the integra type r (dc5 rsx chassis) that stock for stock will pwn a 6 speed gts all day. k20's and 2zz's both have their strong points but the k20 was voted best current import engine for a reason..

[TUMASGTS]

From a start i raced him and we came inches apart, but from a rolling start he beat me by like a car...

[StaticX27]

for someone who has to actually ask this question

K20 > rotary > 2zz

for someone with some knowledge and experience

rotary > k20 > 2zz


+1

[GreatShamanGT]

what's an SI Type R???...I know of there being an SI designation and then a Type R designation...Didn't know they were double badging them...


Obviously you haven't seen 4th stage of Initial-D

:gap: ;)

[MicaCeli]

Whats your price range?

And stock for stock Rotary > 2zz and k20. Just based on HP per liter.


how is a 2.6 liter Rotary with 246hp > then a 1.8 liter 180hp or a 2.0 liter 200hp motor?

[marc]

Whats your price range?

And stock for stock Rotary > 2zz and k20. Just based on HP per liter.


how is a 2.6 liter Rotary with 246hp > then a 1.8 liter 180hp or a 2.0 liter 200hp motor?


because it makes 246 hp, and not 180 hp or 200 hp

and when you start adding bolt ons, that extra displacement makes a difference

oh, and btw

its not 2.6 despite what some may want to claim - its not really 1.3 either - there's no REAL way to measure the displacement because the rotor itself has 3 separate combustion chambers and there are two separate rotors

lets just say, its rather small, weighs next to nothing, can be mounted low and far back, and makes a ton of power for its size, especially when mated to turbos

[scarface]

Yea the RX-8, and the 2.0 tc VW jetta is out of my budget. But just the engineering behind the rotary engines amazing, but I hear they wear out quickly compared to a conventional motor.

The civic si is within my reach as soon as I get rid of my pos auto gts. Well maybe I shouldn't say pos its a nice car (15000k on it, mint condtion) but im just fed up with the tall gears in it and I looked at getting a built auto tranny but damn $3700 + shipping + GST sure aint cheap man.

If anybodies driven both the new civic si and a 03 -05 6spd gts id like to get your opinion stock for stock. The salesman was with me and got quite upset when I took it into VTEC in third, so I couldn't really test out handling or really get a feel for the car at highr speeds. I also like to know how the c60 trans stacks up against the hondas tranny. Cause honestly i wasn't impressed with the SI when shifting from 5th to 6th.

And the dude that said swap a k20 into my auto gts are u retarded? You know how much it costs just to change out the auto tranny for a c60? never mind a k20 motor and tranny. Maybe you got a rich daddy that can pay for your idiotic ideas I don't.

[lVlemphizStylez]

SI is faster than the GTS (I drive the GTS weekly, and have test driven the SI)...But I prefer the GTS over the SI personally, I cannot stand the interior of the SI, and I hate the shifter position of it...The GTS reminds me of the oldschool honda's but the SI feels out of place IMO...Also it doesn't "feel" faster, but it is. (the SI that is). This should go down to which you personally like best, but if you're out for speed, the SI is the better option (but in the grand scheme, neither of the two are good options)

[importfreak8]

get the k20! aftermarket support > 2zz aftermarket support

[scarface]

Yea im just trying to get the best of both worlds for speed and practicality u know?Only thing is what some people in here don't understand is there is bolt on parts available for the k20 but as soon as you modify something kiss your warranty on your brand new honda goodbye.

How did you like the handling of the gts vs the SI. For me though I think i'll be happy with a 6spd gts. I know what u mean, the si interior..feels like some geek from star trek designed it. I love the leather interior and gauges in my auto gts...just why did toyota hook up a 4spd auto to the 2zz motor? why?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its driven me to the point im willing to take a loss and get stock manual gts higher mileage, cloth interior, and no body kit.

[Nineball]

And the dude that said swap a k20 into my auto gts are u retarded? You know how much it costs just to change out the auto tranny for a c60? never mind a k20 motor and tranny. Maybe you got a rich daddy that can pay for your idiotic ideas I don't.


you're clearly a fvckwit. it was a joke, first of all, nobody's done it before an it would be useless. Go buy an RSX if you want a celica style body with a k20 for the guts. Second of all, seriously, if you had the resources, a K20 swapped celica would be an excellent car. I belive the celi chassis is lighter and handles better, and the k20 is a superior engine...

And besides, you're nitpicking about practicality? you're asking us to compare an engine from a $30k-ish car that puts out about 250hp to 200~ish horsepower engines from cars that can be had for under $20k. Hello sir, I'm common sense. Maybe I should teach a few things that will help you in the long run.

[Toyota_Junkie_1]

what's an SI Type R???...I know of there being an SI designation and then a Type R designation...Didn't know they were double badging them...


Obviously you haven't seen 4th stage of Initial-D

:gap: ;)


:rofl:

Very true...

[scarface]

Take a good look at the canadian market and see what a toyota gts with less than 26,000kms is going for, or approx 15000mi than talk. The cars im comparing are within $5000. (civic si and gts celi) And as for the rx-8 just wanted some opinions on it, never driven it myself, might be interested.

And yea practicality counts otherwise id wait till next year to import an R33, or perhaps stay domestic and get a GN or a camaro ss. I don't think u could show me nothin punk.

[redlinegts85]

I like the k20 better than the 2zz, but too bad the k20 is put in ugly looking cars (rsx and si look "fat" for some reason). I know nothing about rotarys so I will not say anything about them.

[marc]

Yea the RX-8, and the 2.0 tc VW jetta is out of my budget. But just the engineering behind the rotary engines amazing, but I hear they wear out quickly compared to a conventional motor.

The civic si is within my reach as soon as I get rid of my pos auto gts. Well maybe I shouldn't say pos its a nice car (15000k on it, mint condtion) but im just fed up with the tall gears in it and I looked at getting a built auto tranny but damn $3700 + shipping + GST sure aint cheap man.

If anybodies driven both the new civic si and a 03 -05 6spd gts id like to get your opinion stock for stock. The salesman was with me and got quite upset when I took it into VTEC in third, so I couldn't really test out handling or really get a feel for the car at highr speeds. I also like to know how the c60 trans stacks up against the hondas tranny. Cause honestly i wasn't impressed with the SI when shifting from 5th to 6th.

And the dude that said swap a k20 into my auto gts are u retarded? You know how much it costs just to change out the auto tranny for a c60? never mind a k20 motor and tranny. Maybe you got a rich daddy that can pay for your idiotic ideas I don't.


the new SI blows the Celica out of the water

13s with bolt ons, stock LSD, awesome handling

[GsStanza]

The rotory though nice technology isn't really that great for an engine. My brother almost got an rx-8 but opted out of it when he found out the problems with the car. Alot of people on the RX-8 forum talked about how much the car was a money pit. The engine has a big tendency to burn a good amout of oil after a while. And when adding bolt on's unlike priviously stated the car does not respond well to them. Add all the bolt ons and ur only looking at a 10hp bump if not a little more. The only way to get more power out of the car is by FI or nitro.
Now i love the 2zz,.. but if i had to swap an engine into my car,.. and both the 2zz and k20 were to same price for the swap,,...the k20 would win.

[StaticX27]

Rotaries are money pits, but they're not as bad as the band wagoners say it is. Most people don't understand how to take care of them, thus why they blow. Oil is necessary in rotary applications, ESPECIALLY F/I rotary applications. Its actually a very efficient design, thus why it's so widely used all over the place. Refer to past threads about rotaries, I don't feel like retyping everything.

But yea, I've been around quite a few 150k+ mile rotaries. My friend's FC was at 250k miles before it blew. Hell, I've seen Celica engines blow before 100k miles, does that make em unreliable? :P

[Butt Dyno]

because it makes 246 hp, and not 180 hp or 200 hp
No it doesn't!

http://ezinearticles.com/?Mazda-RX8-Horsepower-Controversy&id=47018

[scarface]

Yea man FCs and FDs are pretty sweet rides, thats what got me interested in the rx-8. The civic Si is also a pretty nice car, but im just not a fan of the interior, I think im going to try and get a mint 6spd Celica gts (I'll fly down as far as Texas if I have too), I haven't looked into it but do any of you know if the 2008 SI or 2003 or newer RSX is permissable for import into Canada I already checked and I know the Celica and 2007 civic si are on Transport Canadas list but doesn't show the 2008 model for the SI. Oh well I'll phone em up and ask.

Hey I heard the bolt pattern is the same on the civic si and the celica gts. Does anybody know what the difference is in offset. I got a sweet set of 18x8 TSW Thruxtons and brand new 225 40 zr18 Falken fk 452 tires, that looks awesome on my celica, but would probably make a jet black SI look hot.

Thanks for the opinions my Niggaz

[StaticX27]

Bolt pattern on a celica = 5x100, bolt pattern on a civic is 5x114.3 or 4x100. Unless I'm forgetting something.

[Genomaxter]

Why are people comparing "straight line" power of the GTS to an SI? Im sorry but to me "faster" in a straight line means nothing at all to me. I care about track times and auto cross. I got the Celica over an RSX for one reason, handling. The Celica weights 300lbs less and that makes a difference in cornering speed. Its about balance to me, not who has the most displacement or power. From how much the stock Civic SI weights, it wont handle better than a Celica. Its 2900lb body wont turn as well as a 2500lb one. Put 400lbs of weights throughout your car and tell me it wont affect your braking, turning, and acceleration.

[lVlemphizStylez]

Why are people comparing "straight line" power of the GTS to an SI? Im sorry but to me "faster" in a straight line means nothing at all to me. I care about track times and auto cross. I got the Celica over an RSX for one reason, handling. The Celica weights 300lbs less and that makes a difference in cornering speed. Its about balance to me, not who has the most displacement or power. From how much the stock Civic SI weights, it wont handle better than a Celica. Its 2900lb body wont turn as well as a 2500lb one. Put 400lbs of weights throughout your car and tell me it wont affect your braking, turning, and acceleration.

weight is not the end all...Just because it's lighter doesn't mean it will turn better...an older Corolla weighs less than your GTS, by your logic it should ass rape you on a circuit...And by an equally stupid turn of logic your car should rampage a Viper/Zo6 on a circuit because he's 3000+ and you're sub 2600...Don't be ignorant

Heh reminds me of how the current Zo6 beat out the Elise (OMG OH NOES!!) on a circuit, where did that light weight end all advantage come in?? Guess it was too far behind the Vette for it to care...

[silver21]

If you can afford a new SI then you shouldn't even be thinking about any of these cars lol..... for 20k+ there are QUITE a few cars that are better options.... I've read quite a few retarded comments in this thread btw lol.... C5 can be had for 20kish.... 350z.... Hell even an 03 Evo but I wouldn't do it lol....

[Gt to GtS Swap]

the new SI blows the Celica out of the water

13s with bolt ons, stock LSD, awesome handling

Not neccessarally.. you can get a good celica gts for around $12,000 These days and the new civic si s are about 21,000. That leaves you room to build the motor and turbo maybe turbo it. "Buy build i mean pistons,valves,valve springs,bearings, but not rods. 2zz rods have proven themselves good in MWR's red celica for strength. I don't like the rsx-s and civic si as much is i like my CELICA!!!!

Everyone and there grandpa, including mine who has a 90's civic si and he is 79 years old, has a honda!!! They are so mainstream and overrated... They have such a good aftermarket cause every ricer gets one, thats y i like my celica.. although you she lots of chicks driving auto gt' s "1zz" you don't get to many people building on them "gt-s 2zz".

Also in comparison i think that the celica gts handles way better than the rsx-s and civic si. I drove my friends boosted rsx-s 2001, "10psi" . ITs hella fast but doesn't turn like the celica and handling is more important to me. He dropped it with skunk 2 springs by about 2.0-2.5 inchs and it handles about... as good as the celica stock.

The civic si 08, has a 11:1 compression ratio compaired to the 2zz 11.5. also it gets less mpg 28-29 i believe... and lastly take a look for a M sport celica. its a trd high compression celica 13.0:1 and makes 200hp and revs about 9000rpms i believe..

Don't be like everyone and get a honda... make it a celica gts or RX-8 rwd rocks!

P.S. Celica is about 300 pounds lighter!

[Genomaxter]

weight is not the end all...Just because it's lighter doesn't mean it will turn better...an older Corolla weighs less than your GTS, by your logic it should ass rape you on a circuit...And by an equally stupid turn of logic your car should rampage a Viper/Zo6 on a circuit because he's 3000+ and you're sub 2600...Don't be ignorant

Heh reminds me of how the current Zo6 beat out the Elise (OMG OH NOES!!) on a circuit, where did that light weight end all advantage come in?? Guess it was too far behind the Vette for it to care...

Weight doesnt win time slips, but balance does. I didnt say a Celica could beat a Z06 around a track with that logic, but 400lbs isnt compensated by 20 HP. If it had around 35+ more then the GTS, then maybe. But it doesnt. The RSX is better than the SI for that reason. Its all about balance between power and weight. Your comments are the ignorant ones by trying to state my comments as "light weight is all you need, power means nothing". Weight isnt the end all, but it IS just about the second most important thing in performance.

[silver21]

weight is kinda down on the list to be honest.... Power/tq can over come weight pretty quickly lol....

[lVlemphizStylez]

I wasnt even going to bother going into that with him...

[Genomaxter]

With our cars, reducing weight by between 11-13 lbs can "free up" 1 hp. What makes you think, by any stretch of the imagination, believe that adding weight wont take away power?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5383743682015413455&q=Spirit+MR-S&total=95&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

Tell me this, why was this MR-S in front for so long? It wasn't power I'll tell you that.

[lVlemphizStylez]

you win dude...

[Gt to GtS Swap]

Thats whats always bothered me thou... they use a 2zz in the mr-s when it is normally powered by a 1zz.. thats y no one takes modern toyota's seriously enough.. i don't understand y they underpower such great designs.. as i remember the mr-s is like 2200 lbs.! with a 2zz and some cams,tuning, and basic bolt ons you could get close to 200whp and thats plenty for the weight of the car if you love the track..

[marc]

because it makes 246 hp, and not 180 hp or 200 hp
No it doesn't!

http://ezinearticles.com/?Mazda-RX8-Horsepower-Controversy&id=47018


Most of the new RX-8s are dynoing ~200 whp since the ECU fix

the new SI blows the Celica out of the water

13s with bolt ons, stock LSD, awesome handling

Not neccessarally.. you can get a good celica gts for around $12,000 These days and the new civic si s are about 21,000. That leaves you room to build the motor and turbo maybe turbo it. "Buy build i mean pistons,valves,valve springs,bearings, but not rods. 2zz rods have proven themselves good in MWR's red celica for strength. I don't like the rsx-s and civic si as much is i like my CELICA!!!!

Everyone and there grandpa, including mine who has a 90's civic si and he is 79 years old, has a honda!!! They are so mainstream and overrated... They have such a good aftermarket cause every ricer gets one, thats y i like my celica.. although you she lots of chicks driving auto gt' s "1zz" you don't get to many people building on them "gt-s 2zz".

Also in comparison i think that the celica gts handles way better than the rsx-s and civic si. I drove my friends boosted rsx-s 2001, "10psi" . ITs hella fast but doesn't turn like the celica and handling is more important to me. He dropped it with skunk 2 springs by about 2.0-2.5 inchs and it handles about... as good as the celica stock.

The civic si 08, has a 11:1 compression ratio compaired to the 2zz 11.5. also it gets less mpg 28-29 i believe... and lastly take a look for a M sport celica. its a trd high compression celica 13.0:1 and makes 200hp and revs about 9000rpms i believe..

Don't be like everyone and get a honda... make it a celica gts or RX-8 rwd rocks!

P.S. Celica is about 300 pounds lighter!


P.S. - the Celica still won't run 13s with bolt ons
The Civic SI will

I win

[marc]

Thats whats always bothered me thou... they use a 2zz in the mr-s when it is normally powered by a 1zz.. thats y no one takes modern toyota's seriously enough.. i don't understand y they underpower such great designs.. as i remember the mr-s is like 2200 lbs.! with a 2zz and some cams,tuning, and basic bolt ons you could get close to 200whp and thats plenty for the weight of the car if you love the track..


cost

the 2zz is more expensive

the 1zz was good enough

they sold a few thousand of those cars a year, so it didn't even matter to them

Toyota is about making money, not making car enthusiasts happy

we pale in comparison to the 448,445 Camrys sold by Toyota in 2006

[Butt Dyno]

Most of the new RX-8s are dynoing ~200 whp since the ECU fixYou like the RX8 so much, why don't you marry one?

[lVlemphizStylez]

because his bicycle out runs it on the highway...he had to let it go because of that...high 14 second and sub 96 trap 30k sports cars FTL...

[Ryousuke]

roflcakes.....reducing the weight of a celica "frees up" horsepower? How is that physically possible? Using this retarded logic, you could remove the entire body of the car & everything along with it from the engine & have the enginge strapped to a dyno by itself & somehow, magically, due to the ~2100lb reduction in weight .it'd be producing ~190hp more than before, or 370hp from a stock NA 1.8! (math is: 2500 total weight of car - 400 weight of engine=trans = ~2100 / 11lb decrease per hp = 190 + 180 stock hp = 370).

Woudln't it be sweet if this logic were for real? As an auto company I could strap a 1.0 liter 60hp engine to a 18-wheeler....tehn reduce the mass of it down to a small mini car & somehow it'd be magically making 1000+hp!

You should be a physics teacher!

[Genomaxter]

There was a reason I put "" around it. Reducing weight has its limits also. I use the term "frees up" lightly. Any person with half a brain knows you cant get an engine to run 100% efficient without drive train loss. Tho I probably could teach you a thing or two about physics.

[scarface]

Yea how much are 07 Rx-8 (low mileage) going for in your markets? My area is around 30,000 plus. 08 civic SI is 28,800 + gst. a new rx-8 is about 36,000 loaded. Canadians are getting screwed. Yea I know theres way better cars out there but for my price range ($28,000 canadian) a 350 Z, S2000, G35, audi TT, would all be high mileage. Not to mention i don't think I can import them, id have to check with transport canada.

But as soon as I sell my auto gts in the canadian market im going to be looking for a 6spd down in the states with less than 30,000 miles on it. Don't care where I have to fly to get it. Got my mind made up. Plus I got a brand new set of 18"s and rubber that I don't want to have to sell. I hate dealing with cheap ****s that always try to low ball ya.

I Just want a reliable DD, that I can auto x once in a while, or wind it out on a mountain road somewhere. I think the 6spd gts is the right choice.

[dirkadirrka]

if you just put cams on you would get way more than 200hp, it comes stock w/ around 180-190. ive raced an integra type r and been neck and neck with him, all i have is a cai and catback. so i dont see why would would even need bolt ons, just put cams, a power fc tuned, lean out your air/ fule ratios and you got atleast 210+ hp.

[marc]

because his bicycle out runs it on the highway...he had to let it go because of that...high 14 second and sub 96 trap 30k sports cars FTL...


You realize my RX-8 put out 360 hp and walked M5s, M3s, STIs and a Cayenne Turbo S

Yea how much are 07 Rx-8 (low mileage) going for in your markets? My area is around 30,000 plus. 08 civic SI is 28,800 + gst. a new rx-8 is about 36,000 loaded. Canadians are getting screwed. Yea I know theres way better cars out there but for my price range ($28,000 canadian) a 350 Z, S2000, G35, audi TT, would all be high mileage. Not to mention i don't think I can import them, id have to check with transport canada.

But as soon as I sell my auto gts in the canadian market im going to be looking for a 6spd down in the states with less than 30,000 miles on it. Don't care where I have to fly to get it. Got my mind made up. Plus I got a brand new set of 18"s and rubber that I don't want to have to sell. I hate dealing with cheap ****s that always try to low ball ya.

I Just want a reliable DD, that I can auto x once in a while, or wind it out on a mountain road somewhere. I think the 6spd gts is the right choice.


that sucks

RX-8s here are about $18,000
Civic SIs are $20,000

you should buy in America and drive back to Canuckistan

with both cars you have a button on the dash that will switch from miles to km since the readouts are both digital

[lVlemphizStylez]

I'm talking about the base price for the car you get....Not your (in the end) 40k car...You can modify anything with money...But that doesn't mean the platform you started on was a good one...Mazda knew they ****ed up too..So it's not like it's just people bashing the RX8, even Mazda realized the disappointment they badged with the RX insignia..

[marc]

I'm talking about the base price for the car you get....Not your (in the end) 40k car...You can modify anything with money...But that doesn't mean the platform you started on was a good one...Mazda knew they ****ed up too..So it's not like it's just people bashing the RX8, even Mazda realized the disappointment they badged with the RX insignia..


my turbo kit cost $3000
I got the car for $24,000 (1 year old, nav/red leather/bose/heated seats etc)

[StaticX27]

I agree that the RX8 wasn't as cool as the previous cars, but it wouldn't say it was an embarressment. It still maintained the perfect weight distribution and had quite an efficient design for the purpose of producing power, thereby making it a platform with alot of potential. Consider that it is still a relatively new car, people are still just barely coming out with stuff for it. Its not like a car hits the market and suddenly BAM there's 80 different turbo kits to choose from, hell, look at the Celica. You guys are still waiting for a real company to produce headers, muchless a turbo kit, and your cars have been out roughly the same amount of time as the RX8.

[Nineball]

I agree that the RX8 wasn't as cool as the previous cars, but it wouldn't say it was an embarressment. It still maintained the perfect weight distribution and had quite an efficient design for the purpose of producing power, thereby making it a platform with alot of potential. Consider that it is still a relatively new car, people are still just barely coming out with stuff for it. Its not like a car hits the market and suddenly BAM there's 80 different turbo kits to choose from, hell, look at the Celica. You guys are still waiting for a real company to produce headers, muchless a turbo kit, and your cars have been out roughly the same amount of time as the RX8.


throttle bodies, intake manifolds... drop in pistons from mahle are brand new...

[scarface]

You realize my RX-8 put out 360 hp and walked M5s, M3s, STIs and a Cayenne Turbo S



that sucks

RX-8s here are about $18,000
Civic SIs are $20,000

you should buy in America and drive back to Canuckistan

with both cars you have a button on the dash that will switch from miles to km since the readouts are both digital

No doubt. I just got to look into what needs to be modified on those cars to import it. I know on the American made celicas they need DTRL -$150 and child seat anchors (holes are already there just need to bolt in) to pass safety and as long as the speedo has both kph and mph its all good. Yea I think im sticking with the gts 6spd. I love my auto gts handling, ride quality interior, just hating the auto. Still trying to sell her, thats the tough part and after that finding another ride will be easy.

[Spyderman_GST]

I vote to buy the Si...I mean come on, it will live longer than you will.

[Genomaxter]

Toyotas live longer than your generation :chuckles:

[deercelica]

roflcakes.....reducing the weight of a celica "frees up" horsepower? How is that physically possible? Using this retarded logic, you could remove the entire body of the car & everything along with it from the engine & have the enginge strapped to a dyno by itself & somehow, magically, due to the ~2100lb reduction in weight .it'd be producing ~190hp more than before, or 370hp from a stock NA 1.8! (math is: 2500 total weight of car - 400 weight of engine=trans = ~2100 / 11lb decrease per hp = 190 + 180 stock hp = 370).

Woudln't it be sweet if this logic were for real? As an auto company I could strap a 1.0 liter 60hp engine to a 18-wheeler....tehn reduce the mass of it down to a small mini car & somehow it'd be magically making 1000+hp!

You should be a physics teacher!



You sir. are a dumbass.
You dont understand the idea of weightreduction? For an example, the MAD TIGHT JDM!!11 video that was posted, made a good point did you notice that light wieght steering wheel, no carpet, light weight racing seats, and i'm sure all kinds of other reductions throughout the car?

Its all about making your car run mor efficient. We all know that if you put a 2zz in a mower, your going to **** your pants. It wont run the same speed as your celica, just because it has the same drivetrain. And if you put your 2zz in a semi, it wont be as fast as your celica.

[scarface]

+1
how bad was your rx-7 on gas? Did you have any problems witht he rotary seals or excessive oil consumption?

[JayNYOne]

And yea practicality counts otherwise id wait till next year to import an R33, or perhaps stay domestic and get a GN or a camaro ss. I don't think u could show me nothin punk.

If you're willing to wait, go for the Camaro. Talk about stylish. You couldn't go a day without getting laid owning that car. And it's supposed to have some amazing engineering behind it. We will just have to wait and find out.

Honestly, I love my Celi, but when that new Camaro comes out, it's mine. I'll go into major debt, but it'll be worth it. My first car was an '89 Z28 and if it wasn't for gas, I'd be driving another one. Now, with the new one coming out, I'll stop every 6 blocks for gas - I don't care.

Just my 2 cents. :gap:

[GTsRasta]

if you just put cams on you would get way more than 200hp, it comes stock w/ around 180-190. ive raced an integra type r and been neck and neck with him, all i have is a cai and catback. so i dont see why would would even need bolt ons, just put cams, a power fc tuned, lean out your air/ fule ratios and you got atleast 210+ hp.

1) We're talking about wheel hp. Crank hp that's advertized doesn't do anything for the car enthusiest that experiences drivetrain loss from the crank to the wheels.

2) Leaning out air/fuel (spelling) ratios for extra power is a stupid idea that will only lead to blown engines. If a NA water injection kit is added, then that's a whole different story.

3) A bolt on (I/H/E) GTS with cams and head mods to rev to 9,000+ rpms won't be getting under the mid 13 second quarter mile mark anytime soon. +1 for the K20, especially for being in a 300 lb heavier platform.

4) Change your damn sig, you sig thief. :bang:

[StaticX27]

+1
how bad was your rx-7 on gas? Did you have any problems witht he rotary seals or excessive oil consumption?


15-20mpg depending on how hard I pushed it. I had to add about a quart of oil every week or two. However, when I pushed it for long periods of time, like in wangan runs or something, I'd actually be able to watch the gas needle go down :P

[StaticX27]

throttle bodies, intake manifolds... drop in pistons from mahle are brand new...


Lovely, yet when I turn around looking for parts for my car I pick my component and say "Hmm Do I want an apex, greddy, tomei, hks, etc etc etc turbo kit for my car? Or wait, maybe I want cams, should I go with the crower ones? Maybe greddy? Or should I be baller and get Tomei cams."

You can't deny how pathetic the aftermarket support is for the Celica. However, you can't also deny the fact that some cars like the RSX and such had instant support the moment it was released, yet several decent cars had the support come out later.

[Butt Dyno]

However, when I pushed it for long periods of time, like in wangan runs or something,
What the **** is a wangan run?

[Genomaxter]

Wangan is another race type from Japan. It is a high speed highway race along a stretch of the Tokyo Shuto Express known as the Wangan (translates as "Bay Side"). Where drift focused on balance, wangan runs focus on power and stability at high speeds. It is not something for anyone to attempt anywhere. This is probably the most dangerous type of street racing in the world. Some people dont even have the balls to go 170+ in a race down a highway while avoiding traffic. Its not safe by any stretch of the imagination. Basically, the loser is the person who cant keep up (prefered way), crashes (common way), or just too afraid to push it.

[Butt Dyno]

Wangan is another race type from Japan. It is a high speed highway race along a stretch of the Tokyo Shuto Express known as the Wangan (translates as "Bay Side"). Where drift focused on balance, wangan runs focus on power and stability at high speeds.
Oh. You mean douchebaggery on public highways. Yes, that's clearly something we need more of here. I mean, it's JDM, it's gotta be cool.

[scarface]

A quart every week or two? Damn for synthetic that adds up pretty quick.

Obviously I still got to do a bunch of reading on the rx-8 for myself but have any of you heard of the Central Ring gear or fixed pinion wearing out prematurely in the rx-8s?

[StaticX27]

Wangan is another race type from Japan. It is a high speed highway race along a stretch of the Tokyo Shuto Express known as the Wangan (translates as "Bay Side"). Where drift focused on balance, wangan runs focus on power and stability at high speeds.
Oh. You mean douchebaggery on public highways. Yes, that's clearly something we need more of here. I mean, it's JDM, it's gotta be cool.


Yep, that's exactly what it is. Cept I really don't care about it being JDM or anything. I'm sure you were right there watching the Cannonball run when it was on TV. That's basically what a Wangan run is. Its pretty dangerous and it's incredibly hard to drive, muchless create a car capable of those types of speeds.

A quart every week or two? Damn for synthetic that adds up pretty quick.

Obviously I still got to do a bunch of reading on the rx-8 for myself but have any of you heard of the Central Ring gear or fixed pinion wearing out prematurely in the rx-8s?


No one ever said RX7's were cheap to own. I've heard RX8's were a little better about oil management, but that'd be a question for marc, not me. I don't have too much experience with RX8's, so I'm probably not the person to ask about those two problems.

[Butt Dyno]

I'm sure you were right there watching the Cannonball run when it was on TV. I'm pretty sure I wasn't.
That's basically what a Wangan run is. Its pretty dangerous and it's incredibly hard to drive, muchless create a car capable of those types of speeds.:lol: You should stop posting now.