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obrienc
10-29-2007, 04:25 PM
the scion tc has a big motor does it have more potenical then a 2zz motor
Smaay
10-29-2007, 04:34 PM
apples to oranges man
dead_star04
10-29-2007, 04:51 PM
yeah, i agree with Smaay. it also depends on what you want to do with it, i think the new 2.3 only makes 160bhp, im sure its like 145/150 to the wheels, and it weighs a LOT more than a celica, like 800 lbs. that and i mean, come on man, celica>tc,imo at least
Loser_guy
10-29-2007, 05:00 PM
imo at least

Nope, it's a fact.
dannysgtcel
10-29-2007, 05:29 PM
the tc is a camry motor low rev motor , the celica is a high rev motor , but like almost every car you can put a turbo kit and some nos on you have a fast car.
obrienc
10-29-2007, 06:57 PM
yea my bro wants a tc so i wanna make sure i will have no prob keeping up
Nineball
10-29-2007, 07:36 PM
It handles boost well, and the displacement will make things a bit easier.
killer2239
10-29-2007, 10:35 PM
2zz-ge > 2az-fe

that simple. And the camry motor is just a FE head, meaning no performance!
GT-StreetCrime
10-30-2007, 03:27 AM
Take a look at scionlife.com, you will be disapointed with anything performance related when it comes to the 2.4. At first I thought this would be a cool swap for the celica, considering toyota made a ton of those motors and one could be found cheap and easy. I then took a look at what kind of power it made with bolt ons and F/I, the motor just doesn't have much to offer. IMO technology(Lift)>displacement. The 2ZZ is lighter, revs higher, and performs much better than the 2AZ in every scenario I have researched so far.
Boosted2.0
10-30-2007, 09:54 AM
the scion tc has a big motor does it have more potenical then a 2zz motor


Yes and no. The engine has the ability to make more power due to displacement, but you would be looking at spending MORE than you would on a 2ZZ to do the same. The aftermarket for the 2ZZ is (at this time) stronger than that for the 2AZ
Nineball
10-30-2007, 04:02 PM
the scion tc has a big motor does it have more potenical then a 2zz motor


Yes and no. The engine has the ability to make more power due to displacement, but you would be looking at spending MORE than you would on a 2ZZ to do the same. The aftermarket for the 2ZZ is (at this time) stronger than that for the 2AZ


although for a dedicated mechanic, it might be getting better with the new 800hp TC.
22xy
10-31-2007, 11:07 AM
IMO, it would be nice to have the dual VVT-i.
Rombomb420
10-31-2007, 11:20 AM
Turbo-kits.com has a kit for the scion for like $2500.

I will say this though. I've got I/E on my Auto Gt-s & I've never lost to a scion, I've raced like 4 of em now. You can call BS if you want but one kid asked me if I had a turbo, he had never heard of lift before. :gap: I imagine with the 6 spd manual it wouldn't even be a race.

2zz>2az
GSBoek
10-31-2007, 11:31 AM
It's a race for those few seconds the 2ZZ is out of Lift, the race is basically over for the tC when the 2ZZ hits lift.

Although, if you ask my ricer cousin, somehow in his twisted world he beat a 350Z in his girlfriend's auto tC :chuckles:
obrienc
10-31-2007, 06:55 PM
either the 350 didn't know how to drive or he lies
Boosted2.0
11-01-2007, 08:35 AM
IMO, it would be nice to have the dual VVT-i.


2AZ doesn't have dual VVTi - its intake only just like the 1ZZ
Nineball
11-01-2007, 05:08 PM
either the 350 didn't know how to drive or he lies


...probably didn't know he was racing...
Soo__Fuego
11-02-2007, 12:39 AM
if ur planning on keeping it all motor da 2zz will own it but when u start adding boost da 2az's displacement and lower comp make it easier to make power that way
Ryousuke
11-02-2007, 06:35 AM
2zz = better if you want to build NA. Lighter in weight, has LIFT, likes to rev.
2az = lower redline...much better low-midrange torque. Designed for a heavier car (like the TC). If you put a turbo'd 2az into a celica you'd probably rip the front end off of it from the power it'd produce.

Thats the only reason i'd see installing a 2az into a celi.
jcanracer
11-02-2007, 04:13 PM
actually whats interesting is if you go to www.toyota.com and check out the specs for the new corolla(2009) and the new matrix(2009), both XRS models will be carrying the 2.4 liter engine.

looks like Toyota has abandoned the 2ZZGE :(
Nineball
11-02-2007, 04:30 PM
actually whats interesting is if you go to www.toyota.com and check out the specs for the new corolla(2009) and the new matrix(2009), both XRS models will be carrying the 2.4 liter engine.

looks like Toyota has abandoned the 2ZZGE :(


yeah, it doesn't meet emissions requirements in some countries toyota sells to, and they don't want to have to work around that. it's been that way for a while now. There's hasn't been an XRS since the celica GTS stopped production. Lotus is the only company still using the engine.
XRS-Boy
11-14-2007, 07:01 PM
actually whats interesting is if you go to www.toyota.com and check out the specs for the new corolla(2009) and the new matrix(2009), both XRS models will be carrying the 2.4 liter engine.

looks like Toyota has abandoned the 2ZZGE :(

Looks like Toyota abandoned the 2ZZ-GE about 3 years ago...hELLo...
CalPencil
11-14-2007, 11:04 PM
Looks like Toyota abandoned the 2ZZ-GE about 3 years ago...hELLo...

Hi!
RandomLizard
11-15-2007, 08:35 AM
Looks like Toyota abandoned the 2ZZ-GE about 3 years ago...hELLo...

sup?
Yca
11-15-2007, 02:32 PM
how are you?
Sancho
11-15-2007, 08:07 PM
Turbo-kits.com has a kit for the scion for like $2500.

I will say this though. I've got I/E on my Auto Gt-s & I've never lost to a scion, I've raced like 4 of em now. You can call BS if you want but one kid asked me if I had a turbo, he had never heard of lift before. :gap: I imagine with the 6 spd manual it wouldn't even be a race.
2zz>2az

Until you hit a tC with a good driver, manual tranny with light flywheel and upgraded clutch, and a cold air intake.

manual > automatic, sorry
sci0nxa
11-15-2007, 08:23 PM
also there is several 350whp tc's running on the track with the 2az N/A. no 2zz will ever push that N/A. look through the net.
Nineball
11-17-2007, 07:32 AM
also there is several 350whp tc's running on the track with the 2az N/A. no 2zz will ever push that N/A. look through the net.


maybe not 350whp, but they could beat 'em on the track. Race cams and bolt ons... High-rev + lift = win
lVlemphizStylez
11-17-2007, 09:43 AM
There is a boosted one in South Florida that is a VERY fast car...I've personally seen more 300+whp Scions than I have Celica's...In fact, I've never seen a celica beyond 230whp in person...
vindiCAtor
11-17-2007, 11:12 AM
There is a boosted one in South Florida that is a VERY fast car...I've personally seen more 300+whp Scions than I have Celica's...In fact, I've never seen a celica beyond 230whp in person...
There's been more tcs produced and sold compared to Celicas. That could be one reason why you've seen more...cause there's more out there. Those ricey dancing lights and graphics commercials really have gotten the job done.
sci0nxa
11-17-2007, 11:13 AM
even toyota has a 350hp all motor tc. its nothing new nore impossible.
lVlemphizStylez
11-17-2007, 11:15 AM
yea got to remember though the aftermarket is going to produce for the car with the larger user base...not necessarily the better engine...So maybe Toyota should have had the ricer commercials for the Celica too
nemrac
11-17-2007, 11:41 AM
:moved:
Carbonized_GT
11-17-2007, 11:20 PM
Any proof of this 350whp NA tC?
sci0nxa
11-17-2007, 11:28 PM
you know what, ive been trying to find the links. oneshop site is down, and the toyota one im trying to find it. but like i say it isnt anything new. and i agree that the 2zz is a way better engineered engine. its just that the 2az has larger displacement and still can be bored. the biggest difference is that you can pick up a good 2az stock block complete for like $500. try to do some r&d on a 2zz and buy a second. Its not cheap.
sci0nxa
11-17-2007, 11:36 PM
http://www.scion-parts.com/
these guys have a 05 Scion tC allmotor 350+ hp 9.34@144mph, 05 Scion tC sfwd 767hp 9.96@147mph and 05 Scion xB 210hp 14.29@95mph the site seems to be down right now.
Carbonized_GT
11-17-2007, 11:45 PM
350hp gets you into the 9s?

I'll be patiently awaiting some better proof of this.
marc
11-19-2007, 08:06 AM
you make power with revs and with torque

power = torque x rpm/5252

so you can make more power by increasing torque or revving higher

its much easier to make more RPM than it is to make more torque
neological
11-19-2007, 08:10 AM
350hp gets you into the 9s?
On a motorcycle, yes.
Boosted2.0
11-19-2007, 09:45 AM
350hp gets you into the 9s?

I'll be patiently awaiting some better proof of this.


Its legit but thats a tube frame composite shell drag car not a full body tC. I've seen the car and its badass even if it is pink, but its sub 2000 lbs.
Carbonized_GT
11-19-2007, 10:32 AM
Can it even be considered a tC then?


I'm more curious to see the evidence of a street driven 350whp NA 2az. The last time I was on ScionLife(about a year ago) they were struggling to hit 200whp NA.
Boosted2.0
11-19-2007, 01:25 PM
Can it even be considered a tC then?


I'm more curious to see the evidence of a street driven 350whp NA 2az. The last time I was on ScionLife(about a year ago) they were struggling to hit 200whp NA.


That motor is no-where close to streetable. It was over 13:1 compression, upen race header out the side etc. Just a pure race car. It uses the 2AZ and looks like a TC so its a TC as far as the drag racign worl is concerned. I mean, Kenny Tran and Chris Rado are both running tacoma motors with aftermarket trannies and have the front end chopped and tubed as well - thats less TC than Leslies car IMO - at least it uses a 2AZ as a starting point.