HID 8000k 7000k?

[gavin]

Does anyone know what HID's BMWs use i read Xenon HID but thats it. (I mean color wise, 7000k? 8000k? purple or blue or what :) Thanks a bunch

[Blue Lucifer]

My friend is a Mechanic at BWM. He says everything so far but the 7 -series are 7000K. I don't know about the new 7 series, but that's all I know.

[X-EVIL-X]

i dont think there that high
i think there around 5000
just because the numbers higher doesn't mean the light output is better than the lower ones

[pokgai]

those 7000k are just marketing gimmicks. the highest out so far is the Philips Ultinon 6000K. usual is 4100k, osram is somewhere liek that? McCulloch is 5000K.

[gavin]

Thanks for all the help.. marketing gimicks hehe nice.. so philips 6000k would be like the beemers?

[borpph]

I think the BMW's are just standard 4100K HID's. It's just the projector lights bend the light into different colors, like the blue and purple at some angles.

[gavin]

borpph, you have the k2 crystalwhite right? what do they look like? :)

[borpph]

purple, a light purple. But it looks bad @ss on the road. Unfortunately it doesn't match my other lights. I'll post pics in a bit.

[QWKsilvr808]

They actually do have bulbs at 7000k and 8000k temperatures, but they're more for show than anything else. All OEM bulb manufacturers produce bulbs in the 4100-5800k range (5800k actually being advertised as 6000k)... so if you find a bulb with a higher temperature, it sure as hell won't be Philips or Osram. Most likely made in Korea or something. From what I've read doing research on the subject, all manufacturers use a bulb in the 4100k range... on some cars you may see more more blues and purples when viewed from the sides, but straight on the lights are all very white. The other colors you see are a byproduct of the prism effect caused by the design of the lens of the headlights... some seperate more colors than others. Simply, it's not the bulb really that makes the difference in what you see (in OEM applications) but the design of the lens itself and how the light is focused.

I have a 7000k kit on my car, and the light output is very bluish white. To be very honest, it's very bright, but the color is less than optimal for best night-time vision.

The HIDs on our GS400 are more white, and work much better. It's not impossible to make a higher temp HID bulb, but it sure isn't more effective. It isn't a marketing gimmick in the sense that if it claims to be 7000k or 8000k it must be BS, but that it's appealing more to your sense of looks before function.

The Philips Ultinon (5800k) is only an aftermarket upgrade from what I understand, and not used as an OEM application.

[borpph]

Originally posted by QWKsilvr808
They actually do have bulbs at 7000k and 8000k temperatures, but they're more for show than anything else. All OEM bulb manufacturers produce bulbs in the 4100-5800k range (5800k actually being advertised as 6000k)... so if you find a bulb with a higher temperature, it sure as hell won't be Philips or Osram. Most likely made in Korea or something. From what I've read doing research on the subject, all manufacturers use a bulb in the 4100k range... on some cars you may see more more blues and purples when viewed from the sides, but straight on the lights are all very white. The other colors you see are a byproduct of the prism effect caused by the design of the lens of the headlights... some seperate more colors than others. Simply, it's not the bulb really that makes the difference in what you see (in OEM applications) but the design of the lens itself and how the light is focused.

I have a 7000k kit on my car, and the light output is very bluish white. To be very honest, it's very bright, but the color is less than optimal for best night-time vision.

The HIDs on our GS400 are more white, and work much better. It's not impossible to make a higher temp HID bulb, but it sure isn't more effective. It isn't a marketing gimmick in the sense that if it claims to be 7000k or 8000k it must be BS, but that it's appealing more to your sense of looks before function.

The Philips Ultinon (5800k) is only an aftermarket upgrade from what I understand, and not used as an OEM application.
yes, that's what I was trying to say.
Here is a pic of my "6000K" HID's:
http://www.scrutmusic.com/dscf0048.jpg

A couple more here:
K2 Crystal White (http://www.scrutmusic.com/dscf0057.jpg)
K2 Crystal White #2 (http://www.scrutmusic.com/dscf0059.jpg)

K2 Crystal White #3 (http://www.scrutmusic.com/dscf0060.jpg)

[ZZT808]

Lexus uses Belloff HID bulbs. They cost way too much though, about 1100 a set and I don't think they make conversion kits. But if you want the best you pay the price. Honestly the Lexus HID's are the best looking/ performance imo. If you don't believe me take a stroll down to your lexus dealer and watch the HID's turn from dull-white to bluish to purplish then to CRAZY white. Trust me guys.... belloff is the shiznit!!!

WOOOOOO

[X-EVIL-X]

im running a group buy on the phillips 4300k kit.
i dont think 6000k is necessary
the S2000 uses 4300k bulbs believe it or not.
im selling the kit for 399 bucks and the list price is 525!!!
getting a 6000k kit ive heard has LESS output than the 4300k kits from the manufacturer.
they're purly for look but wont have the output of cars youve seen on the road.

check the group buy forum for more info...

[ToyoGT]

yeah my brother has the Philips kit and his look a hell of a lot brighter on the road because it's more bright, BRIGHT white and mine are more purple. mine looks really good at night but if i had to go back and do it all over again i would've gotten the philips because you see more of the road at night. the vision crystal white(purple color) is more for looks than it is for function, BUT i sure do get a lot of compliments from the ladies ;) hehe

[ToyoGT]

pokgai- nice car!

[borpph]

Originally posted by ToyoGT
yeah my brother has the Philips kit and his look a hell of a lot brighter on the road because it's more bright, BRIGHT white and mine are more purple. mine looks really good at night but if i had to go back and do it all over again i would've gotten the philips because you see more of the road at night. the vision crystal white(purple color) is more for looks than it is for function, BUT i sure do get a lot of compliments from the ladies ;) hehe
I agree. I would have gone with the Philips or the whiter K2 kit. Toyo, advance-r.net said you can replace the bulbs on the vision/k2 kits. They run about $200+ though.

[gavin]

Hey borrph the crystal white are 6000k?? if so, wouldn't getting the philips 6000k be the same? or would you go with the 4100?

[IceManFX]

how easy is teh phillip conversion to hid'

i heard the hella kit is relatively easy and its plug and play

also i heard some concern that they may get too hot for the wiring harness and melt ur wiring...

[X-EVIL-X]

the phillips is a plug and play kit also.
you need to replace the fuse(no big deal) and thats it.
clone has a instal guide for the phillips kit also.

[borpph]

Originally posted by gavin
Hey borrph the crystal white are 6000k?? if so, wouldn't getting the philips 6000k be the same? or would you go with the 4100?
I'd get the Philips 4100K, 4200K, or 4300K, or whatever they're called. But I can change the bulbs in the kit I have so I'll go with one of the other 3 colors they have.

[Blue Lucifer]

I have the Vision 5400K kit. I have to say that night time visibility is better. I just wish I could mess with the optics of the lense, and create that halo effect.