Bye bye NC.org

[celicali]

I register two years ago when i bought my celica. You people have been great help, in service, advice, opinions, suggestions etc. I sold my car. bought an m3 so i decided to say bye bye and thank everyone who helped
take care,
ali :wiggle: :burnout: :

[celwin]

Get out! Kidding, post some pics of the M3

[Kry]

well i will smoke your m3 back home

[xi KiNG ix]

cool what year?

[celicali]

ok KRY we will see...keep praticing....you will need all the practice :chuckles:

[jotan82]

hey, post pix!!! good choice of cars!!!

i love the 02 m3's :evil:

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by jotan82
hey, post pix!!! good choice of cars!!!

i love the 02 m3's :evil: I don't think he got a 02?

[celicali]

not an 02 u nuts...im dont have that kinda money; its a 99 m3. Though it is stock gimme some time i will be back at shows and all that. Watch out!:evil: :wave:

[coOOlcelica]

damn....good luck with it!!

[gsx0r]

m3.. nice

[GTS LAID]

so now we got you and dfess1... thats 2 of our own local m3 owners... personally i think the older models were much more in the racer tradition than the newer ones (i beat the **** out of an 02 6spd for a couple of days)

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
so now we got you and dfess1... thats 2 of our own local m3 owners... personally i think the older models were much more in the racer tradition than the newer ones (i beat the **** out of an 02 6spd for a couple of days) errr!?!? The new US Spec ones run low 13 second 1/4 miles.. the old us spec (before 2k1) ran mid 14's...(old US spec was detuned severily from 300's to mid 200's)

[xi KiNG ix]

Btw- are you sure he/she was even racing? lol

[GTS LAID]

Originally posted by xi KiNG ix
Btw- are you sure he/she was even racing? lol

huh... what are you talking about... i was the driver of the m3... i wasnt racing one... and yes THEY"RE FASSST... but they're too refined in my honest opinion.... i havent driven the old m3's but i just imagine them to be much more crass...

[xi KiNG ix]

my bad i thought you said you beat one with your celica.. i was like huh

[celicali]

M3's are awesome. They have their sporty side as well a sophistocated luxury side. Love the feel of the RWD. 240 hp stock; put on an exhaust, intake, chip and headers, you can get close to 300 easy with out turbo or superchargers :)

[xi KiNG ix]

:werd: so you going to move on over to dtmpower.net now?

[larryd]

you could just be like everyone else who has nc.org as a resident home.. you can never leave this place :)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by larryd
you could just be like everyone else who has nc.org as a resident home.. you can never leave this place :)

Its hard to see the children leave ey larry.

[Chumpchiggy]

Larry has "Virtual Teathers" on every members IP so if they leave, we can have them arrested. :D

Oh no, I've said too much :eek:

[larryd]

damn you chiggy, now u must die :)

[WillyWonka]

"M" and "3" ... two of my favorite letter and number combinations. Best of luck with the car. I may have an M3 or M5 after my life with Celica.

[dfess1]

Originally posted by celicali
M3's are awesome. They have their sporty side as well a sophistocated luxury side. Love the feel of the RWD. 240 hp stock; put on an exhaust, intake, chip and headers, you can get close to 300 easy with out turbo or superchargers :)

You obviously haven't done your homework, have you? A), the 1995 M3 with the 3.0L made 240 at the crank, I don't know how much the 3.2L in the 96 on up made (simply because it isn't my car, so I don't really care). And B), even going on the 240 hp, an I/H/E and chip will not get you to 300. Unless you do the OBDII to OBDI conversion on your 3.2L, and even then it will be a stretch. Just be prepared to spend lots o' money. The intake I'm looking at right now is a little over a grand. And I just put on an exhaust for 750. And it's already time for tires.... ughhh

And GTS Laid, I can't speak for the new M's, but at least my E36 isn't too crass. From what I understand, the older E30's were really like the racer type, very loud etc. But my car gets flogged as well. God I love the bark of the straight six.....

[dfess1]

Originally posted by larryd
you could just be like everyone else who has nc.org as a resident home.. you can never leave this place :)

Ehh, it's kinda/not really that. [over generalization] For the most part, from what I've seen over on the other bimmer boards, it's just not me. I mean I've had my M for almost a year now, and still been here. But I only chime in about my car when someone else is looking for a new one, or looking to see what the M's can do. There is an appreciation for cars on this board that you don't really find any other place. On the bimmer boards it's like this:

Person 1: You, I got beat by a civic tonight at the strip.
Person 2: What do you drive?
P 1: (insert year) (insert series number)
P 2: Yo, it's ok, in the end you still drove home in a bimmer, and they had to drive home in a civic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean it's ridiculous. And I love the little rich boys that know nothing about the car, that sit there call every car out there rice, and do the same thing to their car. I guess if you have a bimmer, it can never be rice (and I definitly beg to differ on that one). Like I said, I just enjoy the people over here more. There is more of an appreciation for all cars, not just the celi. And coincidentaly enough, they use the same excuse (for lack of a better word) as you guys/I used to as well. WHen they do get beat in a straight line, it's always, "it's ok, you'll take them in the twisties". I just find that comical. [/over generalization]

Ok, I'm done.

[CelicaNamja79]

dang pimpin' now...

Yeah once you have joined, you cant leave. It was up to you to join but it is up to Larry to let you go or not. ehehhe

Man my dream ride is M3...lucky mofo..

[dfess1]

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79
dang pimpin' now...

Yeah once you have joined, you cant leave. It was up to you to join but it is up to Larry to let you go or not. ehehhe

Man my dream ride is M3...lucky mofo..

Hey man, it is by no means the end all be all of the automotive spectre. Keep in mind the maintance costs as well. Just to do an oil change costs 45 bucks. And that's doing it yourself.

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by dfess1


Hey man, it is by no means the end all be all of the automotive spectre. Keep in mind the maintance costs as well. Just to do an oil change costs 45 bucks. And that's doing it yourself.


I dont care. I am gonna drive one of those in near future.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by celicali
I register two years ago when i bought my celica. You people have been great help, in service, advice, opinions, suggestions etc. I sold my car. bought an m3 so i decided to say bye bye and thank everyone who helped
take care,
ali :wiggle: :burnout: :
Wow...another long term member trading up and moving on. Has anyone else noticed this? ;)

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Wow...another long term member trading up and moving on. Has anyone else noticed this? ;)

the celica should win an award for being the best car to turn all it's buyers into hungry racers. so they all graduate up to a higher class sports car. now if toyota had a new supra or something, and was friendlier to toyota-trade-ins on new toyotas....damn. they could make a killing. :)

[BadTOYO]

Well, I believe BMW has a list of items that each one of their cars has to meet, for it to bear the //M badge, if I remember some of them were:
- RWD
- Individual TB per cylinder,
- ABS,
- Traction control?,
- and a few more (any BMW gear heads care to shed some light on this?)
And in more than one occassion, I've seen some debates come up (even in the BMW forums) about the US spec E36 M3, not being a "real" //M car, since it does not have the individual TB's...
I don't know, I never saw it that way and I think the E36 M3 is an amazing car, but I guess it's a valid point...
R

[celicali]

The bmw with //M badge have many more items that make it the "m"
for instance
-bodykit (front lip, side skirts)
-17 in alloy rims
-sport suspension
-sport seats
-spoiler-but mine doesnt have one :(
-sport transmission ( i belive a short shifter of some type not sure)
and obviously the engine enhancements that give it the 240hp

True the obd1 is easier to modify but they stopped making that after 95; i am not interested in buying an 8 year old car just for a little more hp. i dont know what intake you are looking at thats costing you a grand (dfess1); but intakes for the e36 cost around 150-400 range same as the celica. Maybe it was the intake for the 750??

[ohwhatafeeling]

EVERYONE WHO HASN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE GO INTO THE PERFORMANCE MOD THREAD AND LOOK FOR THE PETITION THAT DAVID DRAPER HAS STARTED UP......WE JUST NEED YOUR NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS .....HE'S GIVIN' THIS TO TOYOTA SO THEY CAN MAYBE GET A MOVE TO CREATE SOME STUFF FOR US OR GET ANSWERS AS TO WHY THEY HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY....THANKS ...THIS WILL DRAW ATTENTION TO THE CELICA CROWD, AND TRD WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DENY US ANY LONGER....NOR WILL ANY AFTERMARKET COMPANIES AFTER THE PETITION IS HEARD.....THANKS AGAIN

[dfess1]

Originally posted by BadTOYO
Well, I believe BMW has a list of items that each one of their cars has to meet, for it to bear the //M badge, if I remember some of them were:
- RWD
- Individual TB per cylinder,
- ABS,
- Traction control?,
- and a few more (any BMW gear heads care to shed some light on this?)
And in more than one occassion, I've seen some debates come up (even in the BMW forums) about the US spec E36 M3, not being a "real" //M car, since it does not have the individual TB's...
I don't know, I never saw it that way and I think the E36 M3 is an amazing car, but I guess it's a valid point...
R

Well, I forget exactly what it is that the motorsport division strives for in the M cars. There was a write up on it in European Car not too long ago. Basically they are trying to get the most hp/L. That and all M cars have near 50/50 weight split. I'm not sure what you mean by TB per cylinder, sorry. My 95 M does not have traction control. I believe most of the bimmer line all have ABS. You get larger rotors, and the sport suspension. There really isn't a need to upgrade the suspension out of the box, it's been voted one of the best factory suspensions of all time. THe 95 suspension was a bit tighter than the 96-99.

Cliecali: All M's did not come with a spoiler. Mine didn't, and I think it looks better without it. Possibly the only spoiler I'd go with is the E46 lip spoiler, because I just like the smooth lines of the car. There is no shortshifter in M's. The exhaust is a little freer flowing, that's why you'll see 323, 325, 328 guys running an M3 exhaust. As for the intake I"m looking it, it's really a package I guess. It's the ActiveAutowerks intake, with the Euro MAF, 22.5 lb injectors and the AA tuned chip. On the 95, it'll give an increase of around 25hp. When you start modding your car, if you're going for power and not all show, check out www.rogueengineering.com and www.uucmotorwerks.com I have the Rogue DMS exhaust, and absolutly love it. Plus it looks pretty bad ass too. And if your car doesn't already have it, go to www.pacificbmw.com and order an X-brace. It'll cost about 110 shipped, and it's the best mod for your money. You'll feel the difference right away, your turn in and exit speeds will be much higher. It's a standard brace for the M convertables, but not on the M coupes I believe.

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by dfess1
I'm not sure what you mean by TB per cylinder, sorry.
TB = Throttle Body. My understanding is that all M Power motors (with the exception, of course, of the US spec E36) have one TB per cylinder, that's one of the ingredients to achive such high HP/Liter ratio without resorting to variable cam profiles (variable valve lift/cam changing)
R

[dfess1]

Originally posted by BadTOYO

TB = Throttle Body. My understanding is that all M Power motors (with the exception, of course, of the US spec E36) have one TB per cylinder, that's one of the ingredients to achive such high HP/Liter ratio without resorting to variable cam profiles (variable valve lift/cam changing)
R

Well, I know that you can get an intake manifold with a TB for each cylinder, I do not know if it is standard for the Euro spec motor. (it could be, i just don't konw). And the M motors have Vanos, which as far as I can determine is much like VVT, though again, I could be wrong in that intrepretation.

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by dfess1


Well, I know that you can get an intake manifold with a TB for each cylinder, I do not know if it is standard for the Euro spec motor. (it could be, i just don't konw). And the M motors have Vanos, which as far as I can determine is much like VVT, though again, I could be wrong in that intrepretation.
The latest M motors have variable valve timming (which as you stated, it's pretty similar to just VVT), but I don't think it is a requirement to bear the M badge (I highly doubt the first 4 banger M3 had any kind of variable valve timming), but Vanos does no vary valve lift, as I stated earlier, afaik.
R

[dfess1]

Originally posted by BadTOYO

The latest M motors have variable valve timming (which as you stated, it's pretty similar to just VVT), but I don't think it is a requirement to bear the M badge (I highly doubt the first 4 banger M3 had any kind of variable valve timming), but Vanos does no vary valve lift, as I stated earlier, afaik.
R

A) I prefeced that by saying that i didn't know much about the Vanos, and B) i did not say that it varied lift. That the closest I could figure out was that it was similar to variable valve timing, or VVT.

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by dfess1


A) I prefeced that by saying that i didn't know much about the Vanos, and B) i did not say that it varied lift. That the closest I could figure out was that it was similar to variable valve timing, or VVT.
Oh, I understand that, but please don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to start an argument over this, I thought we were having a friendly discussion on the M motors... I'm myself no expert on BMWs either...
Peace! :thumbup:
R

[celwin]

Originally posted by dfess1


The intake I'm looking at right now is a little over a grand.

1 Grand for an intake? God damn; What's so special that makes it cost over $1000?

[yakkosmurf]

It's a BMW. Have you ever priced performance parts for the NSX?

[dfess1]

Originally posted by celwin


1 Grand for an intake? God damn; What's so special that makes it cost over $1000?

Well, like I said, it's a bit more than an intake. It's more of a package. It gives you the intake, heatsheild, 22.5lb injectors, the 3.2L euro spec MAF and the AA tuned chip. It's good for about 25hp. There are countless mods that can be done to this car, the problem is they are all very expensive. The clear corners I got (2 parking lights, 2 side markers, and 2 tail lights) cost 350. But that's it for me in terms of cosmetic mods. And you think you guys have it bad with the turbo prices, try 10 grand. That's a bit much in my eyes, and the S/C are going for around 4-6 grand.