2008 BMW 1-Series / M Coupe

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://germancarscene.com/2006/12/11/bmw-135ti-spotted)
Here’s a few more pictures of BMW’s R32 fighter - the 135ti. Using the same 306 bhp 3L twin turbo unit as the 335i, it look like it’s going to be alot of fun.
http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_46892.jpeg
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Hoollllllyyyy ssshhhhhiiaaaaaattt! It's ugly as hell and it has a ridiculous amount of power. I bet it will be expensive if it ever comes here.

[silverCELICAgt-s]

Hoollllllyyyy ssshhhhhiiaaaaaattt! It's ugly as hell and it has a ridiculous amount of power.
Discuss. :eatpop:

this made me laugh, lol

[Blue Bomber]

Looks like a Civic hatch with a BMW front and VW rear conversion. :puke:

[Beast]

The same set up as the 335i ? Wow.

Although, it they cost around the same, I'd much rather have the 335i.

[neological]

That will never come here.

It looks like a BMW branded running shoe.

[GSBoek]

^LOL. Ugly!

[SOAPY]

Yikes! Why God? Why?

[SWPLGT05]

I kinda like it. I guess im just a non-conformist.

[marc]

Its so ugly I love it - reminds me a lot of the hideous M-Coupe (which I've always secretly lusted after for its high-winding S54 engine and rigid chassis)

http://www.motorpulse.com/vehicle_photos/medium/00b9a2055bd624c387b544d28b75d0bf.pjpeg

[Burrcold]

Its so ugly I love it - reminds me a lot of the hideous M-Coupe (which I've always secretly lusted after for its high-winding S54 engine and rigid chassis)

http://www.motorpulse.com/vehicle_photos/medium/00b9a2055bd624c387b544d28b75d0bf.pjpegExactly my thoughts...

[marc]

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[Gas-n-Grease]

i like it

[neological]

The M Coupe isn't nearly as ungainly looking.

the 135i looks like a hastily designed mashup of all BMW corporate design policies shoved into a hatchback.

Kidney Grille? check.
Flame surfacing? check.
Giant wheels? check.
Big ass? check.
Faint hint of trunk on trunkless vehicle (see X5, X3)? check.

btw, who drilled all those holes in the front bumper? not very BMW looking...looks scotch-taped on.

[Motor]

Its so ugly I love it - reminds me a lot of the hideous M-Coupe (which I've always secretly lusted after for its high-winding S54 engine and rigid chassis)

The M coupe isn't hideous at all. A person can find a used one, in good shape for a reasonable price. It gets looks (good and bad) and is a blast to drive.

btw, who drilled all those holes in the front bumper? not very BMW looking...looks scotch-taped on.

It's a test mule and not production ready.

[peeper06]

thats so ugly. im a girl so in the end of the day beauty > performance.

[Motor]

im a girl so in the end of the day beauty > performance.

Looking at the car in your sig, I would have never guessed you were a female. I had an almost similar setup with my Celica.

[Motor]

New three-door BMW 1 Series arrives

New technology cuts emissions by up to 21 per cent and improves fuel consumption by up to 24 per cent

Tax-busting 60.1mpg 118d is BMW’s most economical production car
The new BMW 1 Series goes on sale in spring 2007 and features a model line up that includes the most fuel efficient production vehicle BMW has ever produced. The introduction of a three-door model and a revised five-door come as a raft of new fuel-saving innovations are rolled out across the range.

Technologies such as Brake Energy Regeneration, Automatic Start-Stop function and Electric Power Steering are combined with lower rolling resistant tyres and a gearshift change indicator to encourage economical motoring. These innovations are in addition to the use of variable valve technologies and High-Precision Direct Injection engines on some 1 Series models that boost power output but cut fuel consumption and emissions.

The BMW 118d, BMW’s most economical car, manages its record 60.1mpg figure courtesy of these features in conjunction with the use of further lightweight engineering. The car now has an aluminium crankcase to save weight. Aside from the BMW Hydrogen 7, the BMW 118d also posts the lowest ever CO2 emissions of any BMW recording 123g/km (putting it into the Band C category for Vehicle Excise Duty).

Other engines in the new 1 Series range record economy improvements of up to 24 per cent compared to the previous model, while emissions have also been cut by up to 21 per cent. These improvements have not been to the detriment of driving pleasure. The new 1 Series is powered by a range of engines whose outputs have increased by up to 20hp with a consequential improvement in performance figures.

New fuel saving technology
Brake Energy Regeneration (iGR) makes its debut on the 1 Series. The system uses an Intelligent Alternator Control (IAC) and an Absorbent Glass Mat battery to recycle previously lost energy, in turn saving fuel. This is achieved as the IAC reduces drag on the engine by only engaging when required to charge the battery, whereas a traditional alternator is always pulling power from the engine. Additionally, the energy generated by the engine on over-run (under braking or descending a hill) was previously wasted. Now this lost energy is utilised by the IAC to charge the battery. iGR alone is responsible for a three per cent improvement in fuel economy.

The new 1 Series comes with Automatic Start-Stop function to cut fuel consumption. Standard on all manual transmission models (except 130i), the system automatically switches the engine off when the vehicle is stationary and the driver puts the car into neutral. To restart the driver only need engage the clutch again before pulling away in the normal manner. Should he not want to use the Automatic Start-Stop function it can be manually switched off.

Engine changes and statistics in detail
130i: World’s lightest six-cylinder production engine with VALVETRONIC and Bi-VANOS technology achieves zero to 62mph in 6.0 seconds (five-door is 6.1 seconds) and an electronically limited top speed of 155mph. Output is 265bhp while peak torque is 315Nm. Combined fuel consumption is 34.0mpg and CO2 emissions are 197g/km.

120i: New four-cylinder engine with High-Precision Direct Injection and Bi-VANOS technology achieves zero to 62mph in 7.7 seconds (7.8 seconds for five-door) before going on to a top speed of 139mph. Output is 170hp (up 20hp) while peak torque is now 210Nm (up 10Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 44.1mpg (improves by 17 per cent), CO2 emissions are 152g/km (down 16 per cent).

118i: New four-cylinder engine with High-Precision Direct Injection and Bi-VANOS technology achieves zero to 62mpg in 8.7 seconds (8.8 seconds for five-door) before going on to a top speed of 130mph. Output is 143hp (up 14hp) while peak torque is now 190Nm (up 10Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 47.9mpg (improves by 24 per cent), CO2 emissions are 140g/km (down 20.5 per cent).

116i (five-door only): Four-cylinder engine with Bi-VANOS achieves zero to 62mph in 10.9 seconds and a top speed of 124mph. Output is 116hp and peak torque is 150Nm. Combined fuel consumption is 37.7mpg and CO2 emissions are 179g/km.

120d: Second generation common-rail diesel engine with aluminium crankcase achieves zero to 62mph in 7.5 seconds (7.6 seconds for five-door) before going on to a top speed of 142mph. Output is 177hp (up 14hp) while peak torque is 350Nm (up 10Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 57.6mpg (improves by 16 per cent) and CO2 emissions are 129g/km (down 15.1 per cent).

118d: Second generation common-rail diesel engine with aluminium crankcase achieves zero to 62mph in 8.9 seconds (9.0 seconds for five door) before going on to a top speed of 130mph. Output is 143hp (up 21hp) while peak torque is 300Nm (up 20Nm). Combined fuel consumption is 60.1mpg (improves by 19 per cent) and CO2 emissions are 123g/km (down 18 per cent).

Since its launch in September 2004, the BMW 1 Series has proved a popular choice in the UK with 51,492 sold to date and in excess of 200,000 worldwide. The new three- and five-door BMW 1 Series models will be on display at the Geneva Motor Show in March and go on sale in the UK at the same time.

3 door? Yes, please. Keep the others.

[Meltica]

These cars look great in person.

[neological]

This is definately the worst car ever designed or built by BMW. It runs about 25-30 grand in Europe which is a lot for a car that measures it's 0-60 time with a calendar.


Top Gear got it right reviewing this one by ending with a pile of crap with a BMW logo stuck in it.

[Meltica]

The point is fuel economy (gasoline in Germany is about equiv. $6/gallon last time I looked), along with compact functionality and BMW styling. It looks cool, like it already has a bodykit.
...not as beautiful as a Subie, maybe...

[neological]

I think it looks like one of those cole haan athletic shoes.

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_1185.shtml)
http://www.mwerks.com/gallery/albums//BMW/1-Series/Coupe/Spy%20Photos/002.jpg
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[homeworld1031tx]

eww... has an e46 grill with e90 headlights...not cool :/.... back end looks like a chevy too... looks light though, are they gonna stick the twin turbo 3 liter in it? that thing would be fasttttttttttt...so fast I would think it could outshine the current e90s which would be bad for business

[neological]

Considering the current 1 series does 0-60 about as fast as I can run 100 meters I don't think it will be fast.

[marc]

thankfully its not on sale here or I'd have to look at it.

[Motor]

A BMW M1, you say? Isn't that butchering a famous badge? (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=682&page=1)
BMW is about to do to the 1-series what it did to the 3-series years ago: stretch it every which way, filling existing niches and creating new, exciting ones too - headed by a red-hot M version. The M1 badge would be resurrected on a very different beast to the landmark 1970s supercar though; this time it'll feature on the rump of the new 1-series coupe, standard versions of which will arrive next year.

CAR Online has the latest exclusive lowdown on the future of the whole 1-series family with artist's impressions of the M1 (above and next page), so flick through the following pages to see how BMW hopes to pep up disappointingly sluggish sales.

So at what stage is M1 development?
To give the 1-series a badly needed image boost, BMW is reconsidering the M1. This project was originally scheduled to arrive at this year's Detroit Motor Show back in January. Under Ulrich Bruhnke, who recently left the company, the M division had proposed four different M1 spin-offs: a coupe, a lightweight GTR, a cabriolet and the E82 M1 touring. The latter model died altogether, the GTR was deemed too expensive despite its motorsport potential, and the fate of the drop-top was of course linked to that of the coupe. Both have now been confirmed.

Since the 1-series will remain in production until 2011, it still makes commercial sense to launch the M1 late next year. The most obvious powertrain choice is the 343bhp 3.2-litre six as fitted to the outgoing M3. It's an expensive engine, and it needs work to trim its CO2 and fuel consumption, but it is the most likely motor, our sources say. According to an internal document seen by CAR Online, the M1 would accelerate from 0-62mph in 5.2sec and would reach a top speed of 175mph if derestricted.

[The__J__Factor]

weird looking lol

i really thought with such a small car and crazy curves they would have pulled off something beautiful like the z4 coupe.

By the way i love ur sig motor, Bat Man is my hero & Iron man lol im so mature :)

[GSBoek]

Isn't that butchering a famous badge?Yes. Period.

[marc]

Isn't that butchering a famous badge?Yes. Period.



especially when the car is as hideous as that one.

http://www.waffen-technik.de/m1.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-abc/BMW-M1-w-side-lr.jpg
http://www.atspeedimages.com/limerock_2004/race_day/bmw_m1_procar.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/bmw_m1.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-abc/BMW-M1-Group-4-b-fa-lr.jpg

this is the classic

[SWPLGT05]

I kinda like it except the drooping line below the door. Makes it look like it is loosing structural strength and started to sag like a old rotten wooden beam.

[Crisis11]

id like one, how much?

[neological]

what they described would probably cost about 40-45k.

The real question is does it come with the clowns already in it or are they extra?

[Radi0active Man]

Fugly. Hopefully they price it out of range from your average ricer.

[SWPLGT05]

I thought the 1 series was supposed to be priced lower than the 3 series.

[Nineball]

the sides look very flat... like it ran halfway through a crusher. Needs a widebody kit, IMO

[omabramo]

this is just as bad as honda planning a front-engine nsx... :nono:

[Burrcold]

damn, and I was so happy to hear the 1 series was going to be released in NA. Not so happy anymore.

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483)

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[TW00Si]

The rear looks unfinished.

[omabramo]

The rear looks unfinished.
+1
reminds me of an elantra

[Beast]

mod #1 - debadge the 1-series badge. :chuckles:

[d3im05]

Looks like there's be a lot of headroom...

[marc]

not offensive but not alluring

I believe I see an iDrive knob in there

guess I won't be looking into one anytime soon.

[Carbonized_GT]

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=993&stc=1&d=1182202335



Why does it seem that this one has an M front bumper?

[Radi0active Man]

not offensive but not alluring

I believe I see an iDrive knob in there

guess I won't be looking into one anytime soon.
I believe you only get iDrive if you opt for the navigation. At least that's the way it is for the 3 series...

[GSBoek]

Ugly, but the sedan and hatch are probably uglier.

[marc]

not offensive but not alluring

I believe I see an iDrive knob in there

guess I won't be looking into one anytime soon.
I believe you only get iDrive if you opt for the navigation. At least that's the way it is for the 3 series...


well the 3 series has turned into a miserable RWD camry, I hope to god the 1 series retains some element of driver involvement and fun instead of cold, hard, german efficiency.

[LightningRod]

well the 3 series has turned into a miserable RWD camry, I hope to god the 1 series retains some element of driver involvement and fun instead of cold, hard, german efficiency.

I hear they're putting in the 3.0L TT I6 into that thing. We'll see.

Still don't like the Bangle butt though. :thumbdown

[marc]

well the 3 series has turned into a miserable RWD camry, I hope to god the 1 series retains some element of driver involvement and fun instead of cold, hard, german efficiency.

I hear they're putting in the 3.0L TT I6 into that thing. We'll see.

Still don't like the Bangle butt though. :thumbdown


They already did
Its fast and entertaining to drive but its ugly and the ergonomics suck

[GT_RyderZ]

^^^ wow i finally agree with you with this one. :)

[GTsRasta]

It's small and not grand like a BMW usually is. Plus the tail lights are way too small, like it belongs on one of the new sub-compact import class cars.

But give it a good powerplant, RWD, light weight, and a good suspension...I see a nice little sports car out of it for enthusiasts going M/T.

[SickCelica696]

Well they taped over the whole rear, it still looks ugly though.

I'm sure it would be fun to drive, not own though

[marc]

Well they taped over the whole rear, it still looks ugly though.

I'm sure it would be fun to drive, not own though


The 1 series are definitely fun to drive

there are very few lightweight, RWD cars (boxster, mr-2, miata, rx-8, s2000) - and even fewer that have hard tops

[Speed4TheNeed]

Meh, I love Bimmers, but this thing looks like BMW could have made it's body back in the mid-90's.

[FallenOne]

Bleh I really don't like the way it looks.

[Acct4me]

It's ugly. That top line in the body is just too pronounced and doesn't blend when it gets to the trunk.

[portopotti]

Was just updated. Meh.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1031&stc=1&d=1182952915
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1032&stc=1&d=1182952915

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

Wow it looks ugly. It'll be fast as **** with the 3.0L TT in there though.

[LightningRod]

Was just updated. Meh.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1031&stc=1&d=1182952915
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1032&stc=1&d=1182952915


:puke:

Looks like some cheap Chinese/Korean budget car from the rear.

I hope they flatten out the trunk a bit more, or at least rake the back window farther back so that it would at least look like it's flowing with the rear. Either way, it'll still be ugly.

[nyoneway]

The C pillar have the shape of aftermarket hardtop convertible, and looks like they rip the rear trunk off of a Neon.

[SilverBullet GTS]

Wow it looks ugly. It'll be fast as **** with the 3.0L TT in there though.
Not totally true. It's not getting the 3.0 from the 335, its getting a new 2.0 TT, rated i think at or just above 200hp.

[Zero]

WHy do the rocker panels curve like that? :puke: That gives it a horrible stance.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

Not totally true. It's not getting the 3.0 from the 335, its getting a new 2.0 TT, rated i think at or just above 200hp.
Oh gay, I read in Motor Trend that it was the 3.0L TT.

EDIT: It seems that the 123i will have a 2.0 TT and the 135i will have the 3.0L TT, being around 200HP and 300HP respectively.

[GSBoek]

The more I look at it, the least I like it.

[LightningRod]

The more I look at it, the more I throw up in my mouth.


:werd:

[SilverBullet GTS]

Oh gay, I read in Motor Trend that it was the 3.0L TT.

EDIT: It seems that the 123i will have a 2.0 TT and the 135i will have the 3.0L TT, being around 200HP and 300HP respectively.

Thats ****in gay! A 1 series that will probably be faster than the 335 and the new turbo 6 series? What the hell is that?

[marc]

Wow it looks ugly. It'll be fast as **** with the 3.0L TT in there though.
Not totally true. It's not getting the 3.0 from the 335, its getting a new 2.0 TT, rated i think at or just above 200hp.



Oh gay, I read in Motor Trend that it was the 3.0L TT.

EDIT: It seems that the 123i will have a 2.0 TT and the 135i will have the 3.0L TT, being around 200HP and 300HP respectively.

Thats ****in gay! A 1 series that will probably be faster than the 335 and the new turbo 6 series? What the hell is that?


its called cheap horsepower - people like me love it.

I'm told they have some interesting diesel variants in Europe as well.

And the "New Turbo 6 Series" is still just a diesel - they're not known for being astonishingly fast.

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://www.mwerks.com/artman/publish/bmw_news/article_1254.shtml)
On sale in the spring of 2008, the 1 Series Coupe will be available in two versions; the 128i and the 135i. Powered by a 3.0-liter, 230 horsepower inline 6-cyinder engine that generates 200 lb-ft of torque, the 128i Coupe will feature Valvetronic valvetrain management and aluminum/magnesium contruction—core elements of BMW’s EfficientDynamics. The powerful 135i Coupe features BMW’s twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine that produces 300 horsepower and an incredible 300 lb-ft of torque from as low as 1,400 rpm. With its direct piezo gasoline injectors, twin low-mass turbochargers and air-to-air intercooling, optimum performance and economy is achieved with no loss in engine response. For the 135i Coupe, acceleration from 0-62 mph is accomplished in 5.3 seconds and top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph. Both engines feature on-demand engine coolant pumps that improve fuel economy and reduce parasitic losses for increased output.
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/uploads/bmw_news/front.jpg
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/uploads/bmw_news/rear_001.jpg
http://www.mwerks.com/artman/uploads/bmw_news/interior_001.jpg

[LightningRod]

I wouldn't be surprised if their next move was to cram in the 4.0L V8 from the upcoming M3 ...

[marc]

I wouldn't be surprised if their next move was to cram in the 4.0L V8 from the upcoming M3 ...


It would most likely fit

and 0-60 in 5.3 is the standard, conservative BMW estimate

realize the 3700 lb 335i 0-60s in 4.8 with the exact same engine.

so unless they change the gearing, or it doesn't come with enough rubber, expect similar to significantly better performance

[Motor]

With the 135i, I honestly see no reason to buy a 335i coupe or sedan.

[SilverBullet GTS]

With the 135i, I honestly see no reason to buy a 335i coupe or sedan.
Yea that was my point in thinking this is a bad move, and I was almost ready to say the same thing but the 335 is just a sick looking car with much more features. This 1 series is...not! Im still goin for the 335i coupe. But im sure more than a few people will think twice about getting a 335 now that this cheaper version will have the same engine with at least the same straight line performance. I have no idea how the handling will measure up.

[marc]

With the 135i, I honestly see no reason to buy a 335i coupe or sedan.
Yea that was my point in thinking this is a bad move, and I was almost ready to say the same thing but the 335 is just a sick looking car with much more features. This 1 series is...not! Im still goin for the 335i coupe. But im sure more than a few people will think twice about getting a 335 now that this cheaper version will have the same engine with at least the same straight line performance. I have no idea how the handling will measure up.


the 335i drives like ****

this will at least be entertaining to drive

[SilverBullet GTS]

its called cheap horsepower - people like me love it.

I'm told they have some interesting diesel variants in Europe as well.

And the "New Turbo 6 Series" is still just a diesel - they're not known for being astonishingly fast.
I know but it is still rediculous to think that a 1 series will be faster than a 6, even the lesser 6. Normally if you want a higher performing car you have to up and pay for it. It's really not just because I am seriously planning on getting a 335 pretty soon, I really dont think an entry level BMW should be boasting power like this. Cheap HP is for Dodge. And we all know how well that worked out. BMW should be more than that.
I say you get what you pay for. I'd rather drive around in a moderately fast beautiful car than a piece of **** beast. (this car MAY not be a total POS but that is generally how it works. A 100hp difference in the 2 versions of the 1 series is too much. Maybe 200hp and a 230-250hp version would have made sense. To me at least.
Oh well, im over it, there is more to a car than the engine. Looking forward to seeing the pricing though.

[SilverBullet GTS]

the 335i drives like ****

this will at least be entertaining to drive

Says you who is all about "cheap HP", I hear that same **** over and over from people who expect a ****ing Elise out of this car. It's a ****ing 3 series, it supposed to be comfortable/luxurious with good performance. It does what its supposed to do, and better than any other car that has tried it. It's not being sold as a track burner, its a mix of luxuary and performance. The sooner people realize this the sooner we will all have to stop hearing the bitching.
I know what "entertaing" is, thats my celica basically. I guarantee the 335 wont be as much fun to throw around like my celica is but you know what, ive out grown the celica. I feel like a ****in kid in it and I need something more mature that has good power and can still play hard. The 3 series is one of the cars that does this.
So maybe your just in a different market than i am, but u just need to realize how all cars differ in what they accomplish and are meant to accomplish.

[marc]

the 335i drives like ****

this will at least be entertaining to drive

Says you who is all about "cheap HP", I hear that same **** over and over from people who expect a ****ing Elise out of this car. It's a ****ing 3 series, it supposed to be comfortable/luxurious with good performance. It does what its supposed to do, and better than any other car that has tried it. It's not being sold as a track burner, its a mix of luxuary and performance. The sooner people realize this the sooner we will all have to stop hearing the bitching.
I know what "entertaing" is, thats my celica basically. I guarantee the 335 wont be as much fun to throw around like my celica is but you know what, ive out grown the celica. I feel like a ****in kid in it and I need something more mature that has good power and can still play hard. The 3 series is one of the cars that does this.
So maybe your just in a different market than i am, but u just need to realize how all cars differ in what they accomplish and are meant to accomplish.


No, you don't get it

from your rant, I'm taking it you've never even driven a 335i

go

go drive one

go see for yourself

it is not just "not entertaining" - its ****ing BORING

Ben's dad chose the Lexus (a brand KNOWN for being boring) over the 335

I would choose a G35 S over the 335 in a heart beat

Now, add to this **** build quality and a cheap interior - you say the car is about luxury, well you've clearly never sat in one - the plastic is miserable and the dials are cheap - the seats are massive and the overall interior is like a ****ing skydome

Finally, it is a technological nightmare. Not only do you have to use iDrive just to change the damned radio, but you have to program the blink logarithm into the turn signal, and there's not even a key - you have to insert a plastic lump into the dash and hit the start button - superfluous

I am a BMW owner - I love BMWs - I was set on getting the 3 series - I was more than ready to love it - which explains why I am so pissed off - BMW broke my heart when they released the E90

BMW left their history of providing entertaining cars with excellent vehicle dynamics and began producing a mass-market car. They no longer cater to enthusiasts, they want to make the German Camry - and they've done a damned fine job - the 3 is as fun to drive as a Camry.

If you'd driven a 3-series of the past you'd realize what a drastic change this is, and why I hate the new 3 with such a passion - and why all car enthusiasts should shun it, as its become the new yuppie mobile - everyone who thinks they've "made it" has a 3 series these days because it has such broad appeal

And by having that broad appeal, it has alienated the people who loved the company for its independent attitude and love of driving

[Motor]

BMW left their history of providing entertaining cars with excellent vehicle dynamics and began producing a mass-market car. They no longer cater to enthusiasts, they want to make the German Camry - and they've done a damned fine job - the 3 is as fun to drive as a Camry.

If you'd driven a 3-series of the past you'd realize what a drastic change this is, and why I hate the new 3 with such a passion - and why all car enthusiasts should shun it, as its become the new yuppie mobile - everyone who thinks they've "made it" has a 3 series these days because it has such broad appeal

I've driven the new Camry and to be fair, it's more fun to drive than the car it replaces. My friend currently owns this generation's 328i and has had a 335i sedan loaner for less than a week, because his 328i has some electrical gremlins. He has no iDrive. I finally got around to thrashing his loaner today for a couple of hours, and to be honest - it's a hell of a lot more fun than any Camry I've driven. The new (well, all of them) Camry's feels and drives like they are far too civilized and buttoned down. The 335i felt more engaging and a tad bit more raw compared to the Camry. There was a tinge of an exhaust note on the 335i and no noise from the Camry. That's a quick sh!tty comparison, I know, but to me it just defies logic to call the new 3 a German Camry. Besides, chances are the Camry's going to be more reliable than the 3er. I just don't see it. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, I suppose.

On another note, lets just wait for the final specs, price, and road tests of new 1 series to come out, before we start proclaiming it the performance bargain of the century.

[marc]

BMW left their history of providing entertaining cars with excellent vehicle dynamics and began producing a mass-market car. They no longer cater to enthusiasts, they want to make the German Camry - and they've done a damned fine job - the 3 is as fun to drive as a Camry.

If you'd driven a 3-series of the past you'd realize what a drastic change this is, and why I hate the new 3 with such a passion - and why all car enthusiasts should shun it, as its become the new yuppie mobile - everyone who thinks they've "made it" has a 3 series these days because it has such broad appeal

I've driven the new Camry and to be fair, it's more fun to drive than the car it replaces. My friend currently owns this generation's 328i and has had a 335i sedan loaner for less than a week, because his 328i has some electrical gremlins. He has no iDrive. I finally got around to thrashing his loaner today for a couple of hours, and to be honest - it's a hell of a lot more fun than any Camry I've driven. The new (well, all of them) Camry's feels and drives like they are far too civilized and buttoned down. The 335i felt more engaging and a tad bit more raw compared to the Camry. There was a tinge of an exhaust note on the 335i and no noise from the Camry. That's a quick sh!tty comparison, I know, but to me it just defies logic to call the new 3 a German Camry. Besides, chances are the Camry's going to be more reliable than the 3er. I just don't see it. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, I suppose.

On another note, lets just wait for the final specs, price, and road tests of new 1 series to come out, before we start proclaiming it the performance bargain of the century.


you have to drive the previous generation 3-series cars (especially the E36s) to understand where I'm coming from when I say the new 3 is isolated and boring

the old cars were so engaging, so involving, so communicative and very agile

in fact, skidpad figures have gone down with each generation, from .90 for E36 to .89 for E46 to .88 for the E90, and they've gotten more and more understeer dialed in with each successive generation, as well as more weight (E36 was around 3000 lbs, E90 is around 3600 lbs!)

That's what upsets me - the cars are bland in comparison to the old ones, that's why I call them the German Camry

they do everything fantastically, but with the added weight and the increased isolation, they've lost me as a customer

[Motor]

you have to drive the previous generation 3-series cars (especially the E36s) to understand where I'm coming from when I say the new 3 is isolated and boring

the old cars were so engaging, so involving, so communicative and very agile

in fact, skidpad figures have gone down with each generation, from .90 for E36 to .89 for E46 to .88 for the E90, and they've gotten more and more understeer dialed in with each successive generation, as well as more weight (E36 was around 3000 lbs, E90 is around 3600 lbs!)

That's what upsets me - the cars are bland in comparison to the old ones, that's why I call them the German Camry

they do everything fantastically, but with the added weight and the increased isolation, they've lost me as a customer

Okay, will do. It's funny that you mention the E36. My neighbor had so many problems with her E36 sedan that she couldn't sell it in the newspaper. She had to take a hit financially and ended up going to a BMW/MINI dealership and traded it in for a Mini Cooper. She's had no regrests downgrading to a smaller car, because her E36 was starting to fall apart. It's an apples to orange comparison I know - one is new, the other is old, among other things. My other friend owns a E46 M3 and it's his baby, he won't let anyone drive it - so that's out of the question. One of these days.

To be honest, every generation of the 3 series, with the excpetion of the new E90/92, has been bland or understated, depending on who you ask - I go for the latter. The new 3 design is way too "in your face" and not evolutionary. I like it simple and not over done.

[Motor]

VIDEO (http://www.mwerks.com/gallery/albums/Video/1%20Series/135i%20Coupe/135i.html)

:burnout: 135i in motion.

[SilverBullet GTS]

No, you don't get it

from your rant, I'm taking it you've never even driven a 335i

go

go drive one

go see for yourself

it is not just "not entertaining" - its ****ing BORING

Ben's dad chose the Lexus (a brand KNOWN for being boring) over the 335

I would choose a G35 S over the 335 in a heart beat

Now, add to this **** build quality and a cheap interior - you say the car is about luxury, well you've clearly never sat in one - the plastic is miserable and the dials are cheap - the seats are massive and the overall interior is like a ****ing skydome

Finally, it is a technological nightmare. Not only do you have to use iDrive just to change the damned radio, but you have to program the blink logarithm into the turn signal, and there's not even a key - you have to insert a plastic lump into the dash and hit the start button - superfluous

I am a BMW owner - I love BMWs - I was set on getting the 3 series - I was more than ready to love it - which explains why I am so pissed off - BMW broke my heart when they released the E90

BMW left their history of providing entertaining cars with excellent vehicle dynamics and began producing a mass-market car. They no longer cater to enthusiasts, they want to make the German Camry - and they've done a damned fine job - the 3 is as fun to drive as a Camry.

If you'd driven a 3-series of the past you'd realize what a drastic change this is, and why I hate the new 3 with such a passion - and why all car enthusiasts should shun it, as its become the new yuppie mobile - everyone who thinks they've "made it" has a 3 series these days because it has such broad appeal

And by having that broad appeal, it has alienated the people who loved the company for its independent attitude and love of driving
Fair enough, I did not drive it but i will. Maybe your right, i just dont see how a car can be that boring. We'll see i guess.

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/convertibles/spy-shots-bmw-1-series-cabrio/)
Several prototypes of BMW’s 1-series cabriolet have been spotted undergoing testing across Germany ahead of the car’s likely unveiling at the Frankfurt Motor Show next month. As the images reveal, the new car will stick with a traditional fabric roof and will feature a revised tail-end to accommodate the folding mechanism.

Expect the new cabrio to feature the same powerplants as the recently launched coupe, which means several BMW engines ranging from a 177hp 2.0L turbodiesel up to the 306hp twin-turbocharged 3.0L straight-six in the flagship 135ci. Some of the new features that will carry over from the coupe include direct injection and Bi-VANOS valve timing technology as well as BMW’s new Efficient Dynamics fuel saving tech.

The new drop-top will join the coupe and older hatchback in the 1-series range when it goes on sale later this year. The car will also be sold in North America but it’ll be limited to just the two models, a 125ci and 135ci.
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW/1/spy/cabrio/18768.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW/1/spy/cabrio/18769.jpg

[2000 Silve GT-S]

Ewwww!

[SocalTRDgt]

reminds me of a Sabb or Volvo

[Radi0active Man]

it's too...cute. :puke:

[neological]

1 series are for yuppies and posers.

[Red Falcon]

1 series are for yuppies and posers.
Most 3 series are for yuppies though. I don't even know what to call 1 series.

[vehicle_5]

That is the worst 1-series I've ever seen. Looks like a conv. Honda Element.

[Ch33z]

For some reason the BMW's interior dont seem so "luxurious" to me.

[marc]

1 series are for yuppies and posers.
Most 3 series are for yuppies though. I don't even know what to call 1 series.


The 1-series is for douchebags in training who can't afford a 3-series yet. And douchebag's 16 year old daughters.

For some reason the BMW's interior dont seem so "luxurious" to me.


that's because they aren't - anything under the 5-series is a piece of trash.

[TRD-CELICA-GT02]

Hideous

[jlitman]

I don't even know what to call 1 series.
I believe the word you are searching for is "gay."

[marc]

actually . . . i'm revising my opinion of the 1-series

after seeing a finished 1-series coupe and reading about it, I feel like this is what the 3-series should have been - a return to BMW's routes so to speak - the new 1-series coupe is being compared to the old BMW 2002 of yore, which I have a giant hard on for.

just imagine this - 3300 lbs (300 less than the 335i) with the 3.0L twin-turbo, direct-injection engine (which they haven't even put valvetronic on - can you imagine if it gets BMWs variable-valve timing and lift system!?)

the car should be faster than the 335i, which is as fast as the last generation M3 - and its boosted - several tuners already have chips that boost output to 375 hp (in a 3300 lb car!) - Vishnu is claiming 400 hp with their PROcede and exhaust

in addition the 135i is getting full M treatment, with uprated suspension and aero kit - the only thing it doesn't get is an LSD, but BMW is claiming they've reworked their electronics suite to imitate an LSD

http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0706_z+2008_bmw_135i+2.jpg
http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0706_z+2008_bmw_135i+4.jpg

imagine it in black.

[marc]

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/indexflash.html?source=1SERI

I'm hoping on all hopes that they keep it light weight, fun to drive, and cheap - in the spirit of the original 2002

I'm also hoping they actually deliver it with the twin turbo engine in it - imagine - 3200 lbs, 375 hp (with just a chip), and cheaper than a 3-series

Hopefully it will be what I believe the 3-series should be

Just have to get past the cutesy cute chibi-chan looks

[Radi0active Man]

The guys at e90post.com are reporting that the 135i only weighs about 70lbs lighter than the 335i. There were scanned BMW sheets backing this up, but I'm far too lazy to go find them right now... :gap:

[MicaCeli]

It looks cool. But will be a porker. I like how they are stuffing the turbo engine into it.

[Beast]

hmm...

[marc]

The guys at e90post.com are reporting that the 135i only weighs about 70lbs lighter than the 335i. There were scanned BMW sheets backing this up, but I'm far too lazy to go find them right now... :gap:


if this is true, I am going to be enraged.

I know over in Europe the car weighs 2900 lbs

[Radi0active Man]

I did a quick search and found the main thread of discussion for the 135i & 335i weights. It's actually an 88lb difference they're claiming with the 135i weighing in at 3439lbs.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73113

[marc]

I did a quick search and found the main thread of discussion for the 135i & 335i weights. It's actually an 88lb difference they're claiming with the 135i weighing in at 3439lbs.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73113


welp, if this is true, I guess I'm just getting a used 911 as my DD instead of a 1-series

[neological]

Wow, 88 pounds less than a much bigger car and it looks like a Nike. Did they make it out of pig iron or something?

Does not bode well.

[Adam_TRD]

How could a car like this, meaning it's size, weigh so much? It reminds me of the 350z. The 350z should not weigh as much as it does. The 135i should weigh in the 3,000-3,100 lbs range. Then it would be BMW going back to the roots of the 2002. That's to bad because BMW could have had something with this.

[lpphreakx06]

http://www.bmw128i.com/info/BMW-128i-Convertible.htm

Spring 08. Fawk yeah.. I think I may be picking one up.

[lpphreakx06]

I should've bumped the old thread, ehh whatever.

[atrac7GTS]

looks too bland imo

[Blue Bomber]

Reminds me of a 90s Hyundai...

[Motor]

edmunds: FULL STORY (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123122)
First Impressions:
The 1 Series strips away the fat from the BMW formula and returns us to the spirit of the BMW 2002.

The Numbers Tell the Story
The numbers tell the story. The 2009 BMW 135i coupe gets to 100 kph (62 mph) in just 5.3 seconds and the standing kilometer (fast becoming a standard performance benchmark among Europe's more sporting carmakers) in 24.6 seconds. To give this speed some perspective, the new 2008 BMW M3 is just 0.5 second and 1.3 seconds quicker to the same marks respectively. Even more important, this 135i coupe will rip from 50-75 mph in 4th gear in just 5.0 seconds — just 0.1 second slower than the latest M-car.

These figures are important, because there is little about the styling of the new 1 Series coupe to hint at such performance potency. Its compact dimensions, strongly creased character lines and taut surfacing can be jarring from some angles and certainly won't be to everyone's taste, but they do provide the new two-door with an alluringly muscular appearance that expresses its sporting aspirations.

BMW 2002 Redux
BMW's 1960s-era 2002 made famous all the attributes we associate with BMW today — its spare form, responsive handling and willing engine. As the 3 Series has evolved over time, it has left behind much of the 2002's iconic goodness as it became larger, heavier and more sophisticated.

The 2009 BMW 135i cuts right to the heart of what a BMW is meant to be about. You can argue about its appearance and complain about packaging, but in just about every other respect, it delivers a unique and exhilarating driving experience, which is what matters most.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/bmw.1series.act.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/09.bmw.135i.act.r34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/09.bmw.135i.act.prf.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/09.bmw.135i.int.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/09.bmw.135i.eng.500.jpg

Hello, fast and ugly! Is there any reason to even consider the 335i now?

[nyoneway]

a LSD would make this car nearly perfect....

[Red Falcon]

The side of the car is absolutely hideous. Hopefully it doesn't handle much like the 335 and then all will be good.

[GSBoek]

No denying it's fast, but the whole car is hideous. I like the doorhandle.

[marc]

I want to love it so much

two things kill this for me

A) Runflats

B) The fact that it only weighs 75 lbs less than a 335i, which is way more car

[Burrcold]

I want to love it so much

two things kill this for me

A) Runflats

B) The fact that it only weighs 75 lbs less than a 335i, which is way more carIt's actual 200 lbs less than a 335i Coupe, and 220 lbs less than a 335i Sedan.

[celicajonz]

i kinda like it.

[marc]

I want to love it so much

two things kill this for me

A) Runflats

B) The fact that it only weighs 75 lbs less than a 335i, which is way more carIt's actual 200 lbs less than a 335i Coupe, and 220 lbs less than a 335i Sedan.


then we're getting our information from different sources - we'll have to wait for BMW's official source

and if it weighs so much less, why is it so much slower?

oh right - because we only have BMW published times and they'd never let us know their cheaper, lighter car is faster than a more expensive one.

that aside
still has runflats
still has no LSD

and I'm willing to bet it has BMWs electronic steering too - which I hate.

[Burrcold]

then we're getting our information from different sources - we'll have to wait for BMW's official source.The full specs for all 3 vehicles are on on bmwusa.com

[Beast]

then we're getting our information from different sources - we'll have to wait for BMW's official source.The full specs for all 3 vehicles are on on bmwusa.com


don't care about the specs. I just need this pic.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/bmw.135i/09.bmw.135i.act.prf.500.jpg

It's a hyundai/BMW hybrid some ricer put together for a car show. NO thanks.

[Radi0active Man]

Over at E90post, The 335i fanboys are saying it's only 80lbs less while the 1 series supporters are claiming BMW made a typo on their website and it should be 200lbs less. It appears the typo was fixed and its looking like it will be closer to 200lbs less.

Here is BMW's tech data for the E92 335i:
http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335icoupe/techdata.htm
Unladen Weight (lbs) 3571 [3582]

Here is BMW's catalogue for the 1 series:
http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series_coupe_catalogue.pdf
Unladen Weight (lbs) 3373 [3384]

Edit: Yes, it is quite hideous.

[marc]

2nd URL isn't valid

[Radi0active Man]

Fixed.

[marc]

wow

if those weights are right . . . 3300 lbs . . .
its going to be a ****ing rocketship

I know most tuners already have it around 375 WHP

[portopotti]

Any mention of price??

[Radi0active Man]

a LSD would make this car nearly perfect....
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1960

Any mention of price??
Word on the street is base price is $35k for the 135i.

[marc]

a LSD would make this car nearly perfect....
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1960

Any mention of price??
Word on the street is base price is $35k for the 135i.


oh gawd - BMW performance parts LSD .. . . that's going to cost thousands.

I hate how BMW thinks their silly electronic nannies fulfill the job - when a real LSD is cheaper, more reliable, and more effective

[Radi0active Man]

oh gawd - BMW performance parts LSD .. . . that's going to cost thousands.

I hate how BMW thinks their silly electronic nannies fulfill the job - when a real LSD is cheaper, more reliable, and more effective
Yeah, I believe Quaife already developed an LSD for the 335i.

[SharkyGTS]

Yep, kinda funny looking. I would like to see one in person though. It might look better face to face, but it could also be worse. Still, the TT V6 with the 6 sp tranny would be fun.

[Carbonized_GT]

Still, the TT V6 with the 6 sp tranny would be fun.


Inline 6.

[marc]

Still, the TT V6 with the 6 sp tranny would be fun.


Inline 6.


thank you

can't have people confusing their vibration machines (I'm talking to you Z owners) with the buttery smoothness of a straight six

[SharkyGTS]

[/QUOTE]

Inline 6.
[/QUOTE]

D'oh! I should've gotten that right. Afterall, BMW = I 6 since the dawn of time practically.

[Motor]

SOURCE (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/news-blog/bmw-drops-prices-for-us-1-series/)
The car that's got American propeller-heads in a spin just got a bit more desirable. BMW's announced that the 230-horse 128i will start at a modest $29,375. The 300-horse money-shot 135i will begin at $35,675. For reference, the base price of a 328i sedan is $32,400 and the 335i sedan starts at $38,900. Most of BMW's base prices are deceiving since you have to pay extra just to look at them for leather seats, metallic paint and automatic transmissions. Interweb rumors say the 135i may come with lots of standard sports kit (suspension, brakes, etc), so the baby Bimmer could turn out to be a better value than it seems. Still, comparing the 1 to the 3, who's gonna complain about saving $3000? Rich sorority girls and penny-counting petrol-heads will be able to get their hands on their own 1-Series in the spring.
http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/wall11.jpg

[marc]

I want to love it

I just think its too ugly to drive

(not to mention BMW makes you pay for such options as leather, paint, and steering wheels - which will jack the price up)

[2000 XYR]

"Extended leather" is like a $2500 option. The premium package is $2000 or more I think. It's easy to drop another $5k on a BMW, but it's not as bad as a 911. You can drop $50k more on options pretty quick. :chuckles:

[Burrcold]

It's horribly ugly IMO

[Zero]

I see they decided to leave in that ugly design on the rocker panels. :puke: You've got the straight line on the top of the door and rear panel, and then you've got that fvcking ugly rounded section at the bottom.

[drewd]

looks like a ford contour/jaguar. :puke:

[2kSilverBullet]

I like it.

[marc]

"Extended leather" is like a $2500 option. The premium package is $2000 or more I think. It's easy to drop another $5k on a BMW, but it's not as bad as a 911. You can drop $50k more on options pretty quick. :chuckles:


porsches are sick

Nina was playing around with their page

she optioned up her dream car (911 turbo) to something like $140,000 and got a base model ($48,000) Cayenne up to something like $75,000

I love how they list the boxster in the mid 40s but you can't find one on a lot for less than $60,000, many around $70,000-$85,000

[zoicite]

I want to love it

I just think its too ugly to drive
x2

[lpphreakx06]

ehh

[GTsRasta]

I hope the sportier model fixes the looks with a sportier kit or something.

[GSBoek]

You've got the straight line on the top of the door and rear panel
I could almost swear they looked to the Celica for inspiration for that straight line :chuckles:

[marc]

I hope the sportier model fixes the looks with a sportier kit or something.


that's a picture of the sportier 135i which comes with the m-bumper/lip and interior

so that's as sporty as you're gonna get from the factory

[GTsRasta]

A sad day indeed...

If the 335i can house larger tires to the rear over this, and it really is less than a 100 lbs lighter, I wouldn't get this vehicle.

[marc]

A sad day indeed...

If the 335i can house larger tires to the rear over this, and it really is less than a 100 lbs lighter, I wouldn't get this vehicle.


and don't forget - none of them come with an LSD

[neological]

This car just doesn't have anything that makes it competitive with other 35k sporty cars like the STi, Z and the Evo. It's counting on the propeller on the front to drive sales.

It's also really, really tiny.

[marc]

This car just doesn't have anything that makes it competitive with other 35k sporty cars like the STi, Z and the Evo. It's counting on the propeller on the front to drive sales.

It's also really, really tiny.


Its sad for me to admit that I would probably take an EVO X RS over this

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/mistu_evo_official_small.jpg

[Meltica]

The euro-hatch version looks sweet. i don't like the sedan.

http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=/de/de/newvehicles/1series/overview.html

[Carbonized_GT]

The euro-hatch version looks sweet. i don't like the sedan.

http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=/de/de/newvehicles/1series/overview.html


Wow the hatch is quite good looking. It would be wise for BMW to bring it over to the States.

[marc]

The euro-hatch version looks sweet. i don't like the sedan.

http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=/de/de/newvehicles/1series/overview.html


Wow the hatch is quite good looking. It would be wise for BMW to bring it over to the States.


BMW says US drivers don't want hatches.

BMW is also full of smug, racist idiots.

[GTsRasta]

This car just doesn't have anything that makes it competitive with other 35k sporty cars like the STi, Z and the Evo. It's counting on the propeller on the front to drive sales.

It's also really, really tiny.


I see this engine becoming a monster tuning engine for the future, like the 2JZ. Gatta love inline 6's.

The euro-hatch version looks sweet. i don't like the sedan.

http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=/de/de/newvehicles/1series/overview.html


Wow the hatch is quite good looking. It would be wise for BMW to bring it over to the States.


BMW says US drivers don't want hatches.

BMW is also full of smug, racist idiots.


Because they're German?!?!? :rofl:

[marc]

The euro-hatch version looks sweet. i don't like the sedan.

http://www.bmw.de/de/de/index_narrowband.html?content=/de/de/newvehicles/1series/overview.html


Wow the hatch is quite good looking. It would be wise for BMW to bring it over to the States.


BMW says US drivers don't want hatches.

BMW is also full of smug, racist idiots.


Because they're German?!?!? :rofl:


no

because they support the axis of white power

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/news-blog/chris-bangle-presents-bmws-axis-of-white-power/

[Motor]

Motor Authority: FULL STORY (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/coupes/review-bmw-135i-m-sport-coupe/)
Unlike the new M3, the 135i isn’t designed to be a hybrid road and track machine and thus the suspension is a little bit soft allowing for some body roll that slows transfers during violent direction changes. Disabling all the electronic safety systems and trying to hoon around will have you still encountering the electronic nanny, which uses the braking system to try to control the car at the rear wheels and keeps any small slides at bay, although if you were ham-fisted enough you could get the car swinging its tail around. The car instills a lot of confidence in the driver with its direct steering, so much so that one almost feels as though the front of the car is an extension of one’s arms, although the initial understeer at a hard turn in can be a little disconcerting.

While the ‘M Sport’ 135i Coupe doesn’t have what it takes to be a true M car, BMW has achieved what it set out to create – a small sporty coupe with excellent performance and foolproof handling. When you consider it’s only half a second slower than an M3 to 60mph the 1-series makes an excellent value. Enthusiasts might be slightly disappointed by the lack of rawness, but only the most demanding of track-day oriented buyers could be disappointed with the performance of the car. And they’d be better off with an Ariel Atom or KTM X-Bow anyway.
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW/1/coupe/BMW_135_Coupe_review.jpg

I can't believe how heavy it is.

[Motor]

Review of BMW 135i by Jeremy Clarkson
[QUOTE]FULL STORY (http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article3103294.ece)
Now, though, BMW has given its baby hatchback a boot to create what it calls the coup

[Toyota_Junkie_1]

I like it alot... It's a Bimmer that I would actually think about buying in the future. One of my best friends used to have a 325i and then he wrecked it and upgraded to a 328i, that part in the second review made me laugh. But this is exactly what I think is wrong with his car. It is really nice and all in the interior but we have switched cars a couple of times and his car does have some weight to it. It still handles really well in the turns, but in a straight line my GT-S will take it every time. I love how the powerband is more usuable than my Celica and the luxury in that car is well above the Celica, but it seems like this will be a good move for BMW... well at least to the tuner world, but it does sound pricey...

[Carbonized_GT]

I'm surprised Jeremy Clarkson liked it.

[neological]

that thing is a Crapfest.

It weighs more than my Evo, doesn't hold anything and has a totally crap interior that makes a Toyota look well, like a BMW. It's also fantastically ugly and based on one of the worst reviewed cars of all time. And I'm waiting half of them to blow up because only the sport package even bothers to come with an oil cooler.

No thanks.

[Beast]

that thing is a Crapfest.

It weighs more than my Evo, doesn't hold anything and has a totally crap interior that makes a Toyota look well, like a BMW. It's also fantastically ugly and based on one of the worst reviewed cars of all time. And I'm waiting half of them to blow up because only the sport package even bothers to come with an oil cooler.

No thanks.


If Sarah Jessica Parker's face was the inspiration for the car, the designers at BMW were spot on.

Better have beater to drive around when the shoe with wheels is in the shop.

[Toyota_Junkie_1]

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00259/Motoring-STM30CLARK_259778a.jpg

I don't know I like the idea of the car. I love the power that engine is putting out. I think the front of the car looks really good and I think the back of the car could use alot of refining, but what I like about this car is that I would probably by this series of a BMW than a 3-series. I could never afford a car in the 3-series... for a long while. I am sure that BMW will keep refining this car just like every other car that they have had and will end up being a solid looking car. I know that the car is overpriced and I would never by the first model of the car simply because I would rather let BMW work out all of the bugs and refine the exterior and stuff offered in the interior, but I could see myself defaintly looking at one of these before I started to dish out the money for one of the 3-series. :shrugs:

[neological]

It needs to lose 400 pounds. That's almost impossible. It isn't even AWD, all that weight must be "luxury" and motor.

It makes less power than an Evo or STi and it costs more. And arguably both the new Evo and STi have nicer interiors and are easier to live with. And they both come with oil coolers. It's totally fvcking astounding that this is an option on the 135i and not standard after the problems that they had on the 335i. BMW learned nothing.

This is the sort of thing that douchebags who insist on not buying Japanese would buy just like the 335i.

Getting 300hp out of a 6 cylinder 3 liter twin turbo engine isn't exactly an engineering accomplishment. Mitsu and subaru (in JP) do it on 2 liters, 4 cylinders and 1 turbo (without overheating issues).

[marc]

80 lbs and a few thousand less than a 335i

why wouldn't you get the 335i ?

I KNEW it wouldn't lose weight - everyone was saying its so much lighter but I knew it would be weigh maybe half-a-human less than the 3

[Beast]

80 lbs and a few thousand less than a 335i

why wouldn't you get the 335i ?

I KNEW it wouldn't lose weight - everyone was saying its so much lighter but I knew it would be weigh maybe half-a-human less than the 3


half a human? you mean half a European. It's about a 1/3rd of an American. :chuckles:

[Toyota_Junkie_1]

It needs to lose 400 pounds. That's almost impossible. It isn't even AWD, all that weight must be "luxury" and motor.

It makes less power than an Evo or STi and it costs more. And arguably both the new Evo and STi have nicer interiors and are easier to live with. And they both come with oil coolers. It's totally fvcking astounding that this is an option on the 135i and not standard after the problems that they had on the 335i. BMW learned nothing.

This is the sort of thing that douchebags who insist on not buying Japanese would buy just like the 335i.

Getting 300hp out of a 6 cylinder 3 liter twin turbo engine isn't exactly an engineering accomplishment. Mitsu and subaru (in JP) do it on 2 liters, 4 cylinders and 1 turbo (without overheating issues).


You make very good points. I really agree with you especially on the "This is the sort of thing that douchebags who insist on not buying Japanese would buy just like the 335i." and "Getting 300hp out of a 6 cylinder 3 liter twin turbo engine isn't exactly an engineering accomplishment."

I can understand the price, alot of people will be buying this car just to say that they own a BMW. That is something that you cannot say with an EVO or STI. I am not saying that this car does not have flaws I agree with you on every point you say, but when it comes to the market having that BMW emblem on the front of the car is going to mean more to people than a Mitsuibishi or Subaru emblem, AWD or not. :shrugs:

[neological]

I wish I could find the jpeg Top Gear used when reviewing the 1 series. It was a BMW logo wedged into a pile of crap.

The lack of an oil cooler is insane considering the problems they had with the same engine in a car that has an almost identical drivetrain. It should not be an expensive option and this is a slap in the face to their customers.

Really the only standard equipment you get apart from the engine that's better than a lowly 1 series is Brembos, HIDs and a bodykit. You can only get 17" wheels and better seats and a non-gimped ECU if you get them as options.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/15/bmw-strike-officially-strike-accidentally-prices-135i-at-35/

According to the best source I can find a stock cheapo one goes for $35,675 and a fully loaded sports pack would be about $50k! So basically the prices are "totally outrageous" and "WTF." They must have gotten someone from Porsche to price the options packages.

[Radi0active Man]

half a human? you mean half a European. It's about a 1/3rd of an American. :chuckles:
:rofl:

Funniest thing I read all day! :thumbup:

[marc]

and finally, most of the reviews I've read have said it understeers worse than the 335i, mainly because its shorter in body and the weight is not evenly distributed - its very nose heavy.

and that pricing is just criminal

I'd take a stripper boxster or cayman over a loaded 135i any day of the week

[neological]

I was just thinking that this thing sounds almost exactly like a German 350Z.

Except the 350Z makes it's 300hp without 2 turbos.

[marc]

I was just thinking that this thing sounds almost exactly like a German 350Z.

Except the 350Z makes it's 300hp without 2 turbos.


its also doesn't have another 100 whp on tap from chip tuning alone.

[BoyRacer]

I may lease one of these when it becomes available. I love it.

[neological]

its also doesn't have another 100 whp on tap from chip tuning alone.

For the cost of a BMW oil cooler you could turbo it.

[marc]

its also doesn't have another 100 whp on tap from chip tuning alone.

For the cost of a BMW oil cooler you could turbo it.


lol, doesn't it come with the sport pack, which is only $1000 and includes revised springs, shocks, sways, bushings, wheels, and tires?

well, apparently not - I just checked the page - it makes no mention of an oil cooler ANYWHERE, and the sport pack is just some trim and the killer sport seats

but the car does look a million times better in monaco blue

of course, I'd still spring the extra $3000 and get a 335i coupe were I so inclined . . . .

[celicatrd93]

looks nice......

[Carbonized_GT]

but the car does look a million times better in monaco blue


Pics?

It would look really good if it came in Sepang Bronze or Indianapolis Red. Buuuuut it doesnt.

[marc]

but the car does look a million times better in monaco blue


Pics?

It would look really good if it came in Sepang Bronze or Indianapolis Red. Buuuuut it doesnt.


www.bmwusa.com

[qburt19]

Here's a great video of everything you guys said about its lack of an oil cooler. Pretty embarassing for BMW imo. You can skip to the end when The 335i shuts down because of the oil temp.

http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0707_infiniti_g37_2007_bmw_335i_comparison_par t_2/

[Motor]

Can an Entry-Level Car Have 300 hp?
edmunds: FULL STORY (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=125217?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3 .*)
What Works:
Powerful-engine-in-a-small-car formula; compact dimensions do indeed sharpen the reflexes; don't-look-at-me styling repels unwanted attention.

What Needs Work:
A tad more understeer than we'd like, especially on the track; BMW persists with compulsory run-flat tires and no space for a spare; don't-look-at-me styling hard to love.

Bottom Line:
Big-engine-in-a-small-car is always the right formula, especially when the pieces all come from BMW
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.bmw.135i.coupe/08.bmw.135i.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.bmw.135i.coupe/08.bmw.135i.r34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.bmw.135i.coupe/08.bmw.135i.eng.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.bmw.135i.coupe/08.bmw.135i.steering.500.jpg

[2000 XYR]

I still like it. My next car could very well be either a 135i or 335i coupe. But the droptop on the 135i is a ragtop not a hardtop iirc, so I'd probably have to go 335i.

[Beast]

I still like it. My next car could very well be either a 135i or 335i coupe. But the droptop on the 135i is a ragtop not a hardtop iirc, so I'd probably have to go 335i.


That's several grand you are moving up on the car scale there. That being said, it's worth it not to look like you're driving around in a shoe.

Prius > 135i (looks).

[party2go]

I don't like the rear end. It's like they forgot to add a few inches to smooth it out and make it look like more a coupe.

[marc]

its hideously ugly

grossly overpriced

disgustingly overweight (3400 lbs)

and most importantly - not much faster and handles worse than a 335i.

[GTsRasta]

A lip kit or something can help the BMW's case.

In any event, I don't think we'll be seeing 3000 lb light weight FR sports cars anytime soon like the RX-7...so 3,400 lbs may be the 21st century "light weight" benchmark...

[2000 XYR]

That's several grand you are moving up on the car scale there. That being said, it's worth it not to look like you're driving around in a shoe. Price doesn't really concern me, they are both in the obtainable column.

its hideously ugly

grossly overpriced

disgustingly overweight (3400 lbs)

and most importantly - not much faster and handles worse than a 335i.
I dont' think $36k for a car with that engine in it is grossly underpriced. Looks could be better but I don't hate it. It's not like I sit around staring at it, I'm inside driving it. I'm more concerned with the interior. It could be a little lighter but it's not. I don't consider it underpowered though, except maybe in 128i form. And lastly, I'd have to drive them both to see which I like. I might go with what was mentioned above and get a hardtop, and just get a little beater roaster as a second car. I'd have to sell the Prius though, and that was my downfall last time.

[celicajonz]

i like it!

it looks good in white

[marc]

A lip kit or something can help the BMW's case.

In any event, I don't think we'll be seeing 3000 lb light weight FR sports cars anytime soon like the RX-7...so 3,400 lbs may be the 21st century "light weight" benchmark...


FR
BMW Z4 - 3000 lbs, 215-255 hp
Mazda RX-8 - 3000 lbs, 232 hp
Honda S2000 - 2800 lbs, 238 hp
Mazda Miata - 2500 lbs, 170 hp
Pontiac Solstice - 2800-3000 lbs, 170-260 hp

MR
Porsche Boxster/Cayman - 2800-3000 lbs, 245-295 hp

RR
Porsche 911 - 3075 lbs, 325 hp

To name a few.

[GTsRasta]

Nice numbers. I'm surprised at a couple of them actually. In any event, I was just making a "cars are getting heavier and heavier as time goes on" joke.

[marc]

Nice numbers. I'm surprised at a couple of them actually. In any event, I was just making a "cars are getting heavier and heavier as time goes on" joke.


Its true and it disgusts me.

The current GTi weighs 70% more than the original.

[Motor]

Update!

2011 BMW 135i Coupe and Convertible
New Twin Scroll Turbocharged 3.0-liter N55 Straight-Six
FULL STORY (http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/01/2011-bmw-135i-coupe-and-convertible-get.html)
With a maximum output of 300HP at 5,800 rpm and a peak torque of 300 lb-ft available from 1,200–5,000rpm (U.S.-spec version), the new six-cylinder produces the same level of performance as the current twin-turbo six-cylinder.

However, BMW says that thanks to the adoption of the single, twin-scroll turbocharger and the integration of VALVETRONIC throttle-less intake technology, the new engine promises better throttle response and even more fuel efficiency.

In addition, the automaker claims that peak torque is reached 100rpm earlier than with the previous engine while engine boost response is improved across the entire engine speed range.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/S0vv_ZJVfyI/AAAAAAACaDA/vj5mlReZY_A/s1600/2011-BMW-135i-3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/S0vwHIxPpwI/AAAAAAACaDY/DYAnxeXkBUA/s1600/2011-BMW-135i-6.jpg

Good news.

[Motor]

Update!

BMW to unleash 350bhp M1
[QUOTE]FULL STORY (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/246235/)
BMW’s M division has started development of an M version of the 1-series coup

[Carbonized_GT]

I so fvcking hope they make it.

[marc]

[Motor]

Just another rendering:

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/BMWM1rad_2_560px.jpg

[terrj]

Its ridiculously overweight.

[marc]

Its ridiculously overweight.

its offensively overweight.

I can't believe they market it as a sporty car. It weighs as much as two Elises.

[Redline]

Its ridiculously overweight.

So is every other BMW. The 1 series is the lightest current BMW on the market. Thing is, the car doesn't feel heavy. Comparing it to a small sports car is just ridiculous. They don't serve the same purpose. I'd like to see someone buy furniture at ikea and bring it home in a sports car or fit 4 full-sized adults.

And it should be noted that the current 135i weighs the same as a Nismo 370z. These aren't tiny 4 cylinder cars, so obviously they are going to weigh more. I'd expect the M1 to shed more weight.

[Motor]

Update!

Mysterious 1-Series Testing, Possibly M1? (http://jalopnik.com/5450924/mysterious-1+series-testing-possibly-m1/gallery/)
http://cache-07.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_bmw_m1__3_.jpg
http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_bmw_m1__2_.jpg
http://cache-08.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_bmw_m1__1_.jpg

Could it also be the next generation 1 Series undergoing testing?

[Carbonized_GT]

CSL style wheels & large drilled rear rotors? Its an M mule.

[Redline]

CSL style wheels & large drilled rear rotors? Its an M mule.

Yup that's what it is. Those photos are months old though. Jalopnik wasn't on the ball with that one.

[Motor]

Update!

New Details on the future BMW M1 Design
FULL STORY (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/02/05/more-details-on-the-bmw-m1-design/)
Summary:

* More muscular appearance than standard 1-series
* Trapezoid grille flanked by two intakes to allow extra brake cooling
* Six piston brakes
* High performance inter-cooler
* Sportier looking headlights than standard 1-series
* Small lip spoilers above brake duct inlets to provide extra air flow and down-force
* The front wings of the car are massaged slightly to accommodate the wider track. Rear end is also wider.
* Standard 18″ 5-spoke wheels with optional 18″ Competition wheels (18″ will be the optimum wheel size for the M1)
* Signature M side vent
* Broader wheel arches to accommodate larger track
* “Duck-tail” CSL style rear trunk (integrated spoiler)
* Rear valance/diffuser area takes its direction from the standard 135i but with open ducts for aerodynamic purpose
* Signature M quad exhaust pipes
* Reinforced carbon fiber roof
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-m1.jpg

[terrj]

I would so get the Lotus for that much money. It looks better , it handles better , i think it cost lesser too eh ?

[Motor]

Update!

2012 BMW M1 revealed more than ever (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/02/13/spy-photos-2012-bmw-m1-revealed-more-than-ever/)
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011-BMW-M1-655x436.jpg

[Redline]

I would so get the Lotus for that much money. It looks better , it handles better , i think it cost lesser too eh ?

And it's impractical as a daily driver. There's always a trade off.

[terrj]

And it's impractical as a daily driver. There's always a trade off.
Who buys the M1 to DD anyway ? Dont we have better cars for that kinda purpose ?

[Redline]

Who buys the M1 to DD anyway ? Dont we have better cars for that kinda purpose ?

Are you kidding? An M1 will be a faster, better handling, lighter version of the 135i. I've driven 4 adults around town, brought home furniture from ikea, and drive my pregnant wife comfortably to work a few days a week. At the same time I can do 0-60 in 4 and a half seconds, have a blast autoxing or attending track days, and have insanely usable torque for enjoyable daily driving. Then add all the creature comforts you get from a bmw and it adds up to a nice package for someone who only wants to drive 1 car.

As much as I'd love to own an elise or exige, there's no way I would use a car like that for everything. The M1 is not going to be a track car like the lotus. BMW doesn't make those cars anymore. It's going to be an entry level luxury coupe with a greater focus on performance. It's still going to be overweight by many standards, but perfect for what it was designed to be. A lot of sacrifices were made to make the 135i more mainstream. The M1 will be what the 135i should have been.

[Motor]

Update!

Rendering: BMW M1 (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/02/28/rendering-bmw-m1/)
Now that our dreams got shattered, at least for now, let’s continue our coverage on the BMW M1 with a new rendering. Harold Wood from 1Addicts makes an attempt at photoshoping a BMW 1 Series Coupe with some of the most common M-brand design elements.

While not shown here, we learned in the past that at the front-end, the bumper will be larger and more massive than any M-Package we have seen so far, and the usual fog lights are gone. The massive front bumper will allow air to flow for the High Performance Intercooler.

As portrayed in the photoshoped image above, the rear valance/diffuser area takes its direction from the standard 135i, but with open ducts for aerodynamic purpose; the duct is separated by typical M quad exhaust pipes.
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw-m1-rendering-655x524.jpg

Nice try.

[Motor]

Update!

BMW M1 / BMW 1M test mule spied in production testing form! (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371795)
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=368357&stc=1&d=1270638917
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=368360&stc=1&d=1270638917
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=368362&stc=1&d=1270638948

[Motor]

Update!

Dinan builds A 1 Series M (http://blog.roadandtrack.com/dinan-builds-a-1-series-m/)
Dinan—possibly the most experienced and well-respected BMW tuner in North America—has beaten the boys from Bavarian Motor Works to the punch with its latest project. Called the Stage 3 135i, Dinan’s changes turn the 1 Series into a proper sports coupe.

While the latest scuttlebutt pegs BMW’s upcoming 1 Series M (most likely on the market by 2011 in Europe and 2012 in North America) at around 350 bhp, Dinan has pumped the 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-6 up to 380 bhp (from the stock 300) on 91-octane fuel, or 408 bhp on 93 octane. Let’s just say the difference between the Dinan 135i and the stock version is extremely noticeable, with acceleration aplenty and power galore, as well as some actual personality from its freer-flowing twin-outlet exhaust.

Dinan’s suspension tweaks make possibly an even bigger difference, turning the stock, steady-state understeering car into a quick-turning, flickable corner-carver. And, ride quality suffers only marginally, the reward in improved handling completely outweighing any degradation. Also, check out how perfect the ride height looks.

Here’s the thing: You can wait until who-knows-when for BMW to build an M version of its own, or you can have Dinan build up your 135i right now ($11,890 for the engine tuning and suspension). And, although we won’t know for a little while, Dinan’s car just might end up being the better performer.
http://blog.roadandtrack.com/wp-content/uploads/Dinan-440x330.jpg

For +$11K, I'd expect to get more than 408hp.

[marc]

what an ugly piece of crap

and it will still always be slower than a 3 series due to the ****ty McStrut setup and narrow track.

[Motor]

Update!

Breaking: Best Spy Photos and Videos – BMW M1 or 1M (http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/04/13/best-spy-photos-of-the-future-bmw-m1-or-1m/)
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/rear_right-655x345.jpg
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[Motor]

Update!

Dr. Kay Segler, BMW M GmbH's Managing Director, confirms the 1-Series M and Turbo M5 (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393288)
Shortly after BMW's victory at the 24h @ the Nurburgring, Dr. Segler, the director of BMW M GmbH sat down to give an interview with the German language publication Auto News, where he comes right out and confirms the BMW 1-Series M. He goes on to say the car will arrive in the second quarter of 2011.

Of course, for many of us forumirazzi, the existence of this car or the fact that it is a product of BMW M was never in doubt *cough http://www.bimmerpost.com/m1 cough*, but this is significant news in that its the first time a member of BMW has officially recognized the existence of this car, and more so that its coming from the director of BMW M. Previously Dr. Segler only mentioned they were considering to build this car.

Whats also notable from the interview is that Mr. Segler basicly comes out and says the car will not be called the M1. He feels that the name is reserved in history by the original M1, think NBA jerseys in the rafters. He of course, would not divulge the exact name the new car will arrive with as I'm sure that is still a highly kept secret within BMW until they put out the official press release. The car will be in some way based on the 306hp 135i Coupe, and will be produced in limited numbers, mainly owing to its limited remaining lifespan, this time think Z4 M Coupe/Roadster.

Dr. Kay Segler also touched upon the upcoming BMW M5 for 2011. The car will come down in cylinder count to 8-Cylinders (from the current 10) and also introduce turbocharging for the M5. As you might have already guessed, this is the same engine that BMW has recently shoehorned into the X5 and X6 M, namely the BMW S63 engine (4.4L twin turbo, twin scroll, direct injection). The engine will be different and tweaked some more, numbers were not divulged but I believe the car would come in at the 585-600HP mark. BMW M's goal with this car is a "Two Cars in One" philosophy, meaning that the car would be a civilized daily driver, but at the literal touch of a button transform into a racetrack eating beast. Dr. Segler certainly sounded proud in their accomplishment of this goal!
http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=392693&d=1275440597

[marc]

so now instead of paying $2,000 for blot ons and a reflash from Vishnu to get to 400 hp, people can pay $10,000 to BMW for 35 extra horsepower!

[Motor]

Update!

BMW 1-Series Models Recalled in the States Over Fire Danger (http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/06/bmw-1-series-models-recalled-in-states.html)
BMW is recalling around 38,000 examples of its 1-Series models that were manufactured between December 1, 2007 and May 27, 2010, and sold in the States as 2008MY - 2011MY, because of a possible fire hazard related to the front-seat safety-belt retractors.

"In a crash of sufficient severity, deployment of the front pre-tensioner and load-limiter occurs," said BMW in a statement to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. "In rare circumstances, it is possible that the insulation around the pre-tensioner could ignite."

NHSTA said that the Bavarian automaker has not yet provided a fix or even an owner notification schedule for the recall campaign.

Some news agencies also reported that BMW will halt sales of all new 2011 1-Series in the States until there's a remedy for this issue, but this has not been officially confirmed yet.

For more information, owners of the affected cars may contact BMW directly at 1-800-525-7417.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/1623358150_16346704bf.jpg

[Motor]

Update!

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[Motor]

Update!

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[Redline]

Finally fully revealed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spzeR-giq4

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:AF: Would have been a hard choice if this were already available.

[mrluilou]

what's the price on that one :eek:

[justynsi]

:thumbdown:

[Redline]

what's the price on that one :eek:

They are announcing info on the car tomorrow. Not sure if pricing will be talked about.

[The__J__Factor]

Its a beast thats for sure.
Worth the extra price over a tuned 135i? Not sure. Soon enough there will be tons of 135is running M kits.

[Motor]

Would have been a hard choice if this were already available.

You made the right choice.

[Redline]

Its a beast thats for sure.
Worth the extra price over a tuned 135i? Not sure. Soon enough there will be tons of 135is running M kits.

Not necessarily. The 1M Coupe has a wider track, wider fenders, computer controlled LSD among so many other things. And don't forget you'll be able to chip the M soon enough as well. I'm sure many will buy the M parts, but you are better off getting the M car if you are going to spend all that money just to have a souped up 135i. I'm sure it will cost well over the difference in prices between the 2 cars to add all of the M parts yourself.

The 135i needs a lot of work in stock form. Suspension is subpar, runflat tires are crap, no lsd, and those who track the car a lot tend to have cooling issues. The 1M Coupe should fix all those issues.

[Motor]

Update!

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[QUOTE]BMW has revealed its fastest and most extreme series production 1-series yet: the 335bhp M coupe. It will go on sale in the UK in May after a debut at next month’s Detroit motor show and will be priced at around

[mrluilou]

that looks like shet, maybe its the color that doesn't do justice for it :ugh:

[The__J__Factor]

That interior looks 100x nicer then the 135i i drove earlier this year.
It looks like full extended leather on the doors and dash, very sexy.

[Motor]

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[Motor]

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Make mines black.

[Redline]

That interior looks 100x nicer then the 135i i drove earlier this year.
It looks like full extended leather on the doors and dash, very sexy.

It's not extended leather. The trim pieces are now alcantara.

[Motor]

Update!

BMW Outlines Changes for 2012 1 Series Coupe, Convertible (http://wot.motortrend.com/6711421/auto-news/bmw-outlines-changes-for-2012-1-series-coupe-convertible/index.html)
Starting with the obvious, the 128i Coupe and Convertible's front fascia have lost the more conservative look of their predecessor. As the red Convertible pictured above shows, the lower fascia is re-sculpted and the foglight housings have been redone. Tucked toward the outer edge of the foglight housings and barely visible in the photo are air ducts that are part of BMW's Air Curtain feature, which was first introduced on the 1 Series M Coupe. Air Curtain is standard on all 2012 128i models and directs high-pressure air from the front end to the sides of the front wheels to help combat the natural turbulence generated by the wheels' rapid rotation, all in the name of improved aerodynamic performance. Special Aero wheels will be up for order as well.

The 135i Coupe and Convertible appears to be mostly untouched on the exterior. The top-of-the-line 1 Series already comes with the M Aerodynamic Kit standard and doesn't add Air Curtain. Additionally, fresh design accents have been implemented into the 128i and 135i headlights and taillights.

Inside, a Gloss White interior trim is the latest option for the 2012 model year and certain switches and controls have been refined for a better look and feel.

The 128i remains powered by the 3.0-liter inline-six with 230 horsepower and 200 pound-feet of torque; the 135i puts the turbocharged, 3.0-liter inline-six with 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque to good use. A six-speed manual transmission is the norm, but a six-speed automatic (128i) and seven-speed Double Clutch Transmission (135i) are available too.
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[The__J__Factor]

BMW 1 Series M Coupe Australian pricing
By Karl Peskett | February 1st, 2011

BMW’s ballistic 1 Series M Coupe, the latest in the M stable, will come to Australia at a whisker under $100,000.


Information obtained by CarAdvice, and all but confirmed by BMW Australia, tells us that the BMW 1 Series M Coupe will be priced at $99,990.

BMW Australia tells us that it will be specced with just about everything: Harman/Kardon surround sound stereo, internet, BMW Professional Navigation, voice control, remote alarm system, adaptive bi-xenon headlights, an alcantara trim on the dash, and of course, M-Drive.

We’re told that all you’ll have to do is specify a colour.

Of course, with 19-inch wheels and a 250kW turbocharged straight six under the bonnet, plus aerodynamic, suspension and brake upgrades from the already potent 135i, the new M car will be aimed at the serious driver.

Only 100 examples are allocated to Australia, and we’re told that all dealers have already been given a certain allotment. Almost all 100 have been spoken for with plenty of deposits already laid down.

CarAdvice will bring you a full road test once the 1 Series M Coupe arrives in Australia.

Thats actually a bargain, because a specced up 135i is around $95k

[marc]

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love it! Perfect!

**** turbo Ms, **** SUV Ms.

Thats actually a bargain, because a specced up 135i is around $95k

you realize the US and Australian dollar are about 1 to 1

we get ours for under $50,000.

[The__J__Factor]

love it! Perfect!

**** turbo Ms, **** SUV Ms.

you realize the US and Australian dollar are about 1 to 1

we get ours for under $50,000.

I do, so what's your point?

We cant import direct from the US - so like I said its a bargain because here a specced up 135i is around 95k.

[marc]

I do, so what's your point?

We cant import direct from the US - so like I said its a bargain because here a specced up 135i is around 95k.

so who in their right mind is stupid enough to buy one of these?

especially when you have V8 Ford and Holden cars lurking around for maximum hoonage.

[The__J__Factor]

That's like me saying why isn't everyone driving camaros and mustangs in the US. They are cheap and fast.
A big 4 door sedan isn't going to steal sales from someone who loves small sports coupes.

There are plenty of reasons people will buy a 1M. For the price you don't have a lot of similar options.

370Z $70k
TT-S for $100k
1M $100k
Base Cayman $120k, then $140k.
M3 $150k
C63 $150k

[marc]

That's like me saying why isn't everyone driving camaros and mustangs in the US. They are cheap and fast.
A big 4 door sedan isn't going to steal sales from someone who loves small sports coupes.

There are plenty of reasons people will buy a 1M. For the price you don't have a lot of similar options.

370Z $70k
TT-S for $100k
1M $100k
Base Cayman $120k, then $140k.
M3 $150k
C63 $150k

holy mother of god!

Prices in America

370Z - $30,000
TT-S - $50,000
1M - $50,000
Cayman - $55,000
Cayman S - $60,000
M3 - $60,000
C65 - $60,000

[Motor]

2011 1 M Coupe vs. 2012 TT RS vs. 2011 IPL G37 (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506766)
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Predictable.

[marc]

wow - that TT-RS is HAWT

[ajh1717]

^ That is what I thought.

The profile shot looks nice.

[1d0_2ZZ]

wow - that tt-rs is hawt

+1

[Dasher17]

They finally made the TT not gay.

Good god that is an absurd 0-60 for a car in that class.

[GSBoek]

^Can't argue the mechanicals, still looks like the old one to me though. :shrugs:

[Nlkko]

So the moral of the story is don't buy the Infinity.

[yodaddyguido]

and c&d still loves bmw lol

[The__J__Factor]

Seems a bit weird they choose the bmw because its neither an all out sports car or a luxury car.

TT-RS all the way. The specs are amazing and it looks like sex.

[terrj]

TT-RS is nice but it cost way too much though...

[Motor]

Audi RS3 vs. BMW 1M vs. Ford Focus RS 500 (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=537764)
Verdict
BMW shows in an impressive way that they're still able to build true sports cars. The RS3 however is too much like a regular A3 - and not a sports car. The Focus RS 500 almost seems like a street-legal rallye car.

On the BMW 1M
Munich does more than just fitting a big engine as they've built a dedicated sports car. The 1M is quick, sharp, and our winner.

On the Audi RS 3
If you're looking far a very fast small car for every day use or to show off the Audi is for you. The RS3 shows an amazing grip level, but the tires can't keep up long enough on a track.

On the Focus RS 500
The Focus RS500 is better than 'also ran' - it's just the best FWD sports car currently on offer. The layout doesn't allow more than third place though.
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[ajh1717]

Huge differences in prices, no wonder the outcome was that.

[Motor]

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[Motor]

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With Chris Harris.

[Motor]

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[Motor]

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