Camber!!!

[snipers yellow]

hi guys, i'v got 19"s and i'v lowered my car about 35mm but the rear camber u know looks abit bent, so i was just wonderin does that effect the driving or tyres? if so,than how can i make them nomal?

thanks alot.

[Reyzin]

Too much camber causes the tires to wear on the inside faster than the outside. I believe that factory spec camber is -2.0 or -2.2 degrees.

If I remember right, there's a bolt that you can replace that adjusts that. Do a search. Or, you can get a set of these:

http://www.hotchkis.net/p-682-rear-camber-links.aspx

[snipers yellow]

that is expensive!!!

[b18b1tranny]

Too much camber causes the tires to wear on the inside faster than the outside. I believe that factory spec camber is -2.0 or -2.2 degrees.

If I remember right, there's a bolt that you can replace that adjusts that. Do a search. Or, you can get a set of these:

http://www.hotchkis.net/p-682-rear-camber-links.aspx

Wrong,

Normal camber in the back is -0.25 to -0.8, aim for -0.25
Normal camber front is -0.1 to -0.5, aim for -0.25

Rear camber can be adjusted via camber kit bolts on top of your upper control arm near rear subframe. It can go up to -2" of drop and keep a normal setting, you don't hotchkis kit, that's just for lazy ppl and for show off.

Front is adjusted via camber bolts sold buy toyota, it cost like 20$ for all sets of 4 struts to knuckel bolts and can adjust everything. Very easy.

Get a professionnal digital alignment and ask for a print, also give a hand to the mecanic, it's hard to do it alone.

gL

[snipers yellow]

thanks dude.

[neological]

i'm still laughing at the -2 degrees stock comment.

[b18b1tranny]

yeah that's crazy, it will wear out the tires within a month.

[hombredelassrta]

yes too much negative or postive will casue uneven wear. Though i am trying to get more neg camber on the front to tuck the tires better and stop rubbing

[b18b1tranny]

yes meaby he needs a added -1 camber to get a good grip for drag launches but for daily drive stick with -0.25 to -.5 with driver.

[bunkkaws84]

Wrong,

Normal camber in the back is -0.25 to -0.8, aim for -0.25
Normal camber front is -0.1 to -0.5, aim for -0.25

Rear camber can be adjusted via camber kit bolts on top of your upper control arm near rear subframe. It can go up to -2" of drop and keep a normal setting, you don't hotchkis kit, that's just for lazy ppl and for show off.

Front is adjusted via camber bolts sold buy toyota, it cost like 20$ for all sets of 4 struts to knuckel bolts and can adjust everything. Very easy.

Get a professionnal digital alignment and ask for a print, also give a hand to the mecanic, it's hard to do it alone.

gL


You can't adjust the front at all without buying the toyota camber bolts?

[hombredelassrta]

you can a hair i think but not really anything at all

[silverCELICAgt-s]

you can adjust the front a lil bit by grinding crap down but it is not as much as most would like to achieve. For the front you can always go with something like the c-one upper pillow mounts to get the camber set up you are wanting to achieve.

[alessio87]

would you need a kit on a stock setup? my tire on my right rear is wearing out on the in side and if you look at my right rear tire it looks like this\ a little. would an alignment fix this. i have stock rims and springs and tokico shocks. thanks.

[alessio87]

i just looked at it again and it seems both rear tire do it a little so i guess its normal. for some reason though its only the right tire wearing out on the inside. so if i get an alignment will it stop my tires from wearing out like that?

[robare99]

that is expensive!!!


Gotta pay to play.

:o


seriously, you will wear out your tires.

[Penz]

Front is adjusted via camber bolts sold buy toyota, it cost like 20$ for all sets of 4 struts to knuckel bolts and can adjust everything. Very easy.

gL

Apparently you can get Front and Rear Camber Adjustment bolts from Eibach.
Unless theres a misprint or mistake.

Rear
http://www.jscspeed.com/celica/suspension/eibach_camber_bolts.htm

Front
http://www.sfxperformance.com/parts/EIB581270K.htm

Unless theres a misprint or mistake

[MicaCeli]

First of all camber does not wear your tires, toe does. Toe + Camber will wear the insides MUCH faster.

The rear is adjustable from the factory, there is an accentric bolt that adjusts camber (You can only get so much though if you 'dumped' your car). Front you can get Crash bolts from Toyota that can get you camber back.

I'm not even going to comment on the size of the wheels.

[hombredelassrta]

First of all camber does not wear your tires
camber causes uneven wear in the tires

[b18b1tranny]

Yes the toe wears out the tires, but it get fix with the camber back to normal spec, usually, you don't need to touch the stock tow setting when camber is within spec.

[MicaCeli]

Yes the toe wears out the tires, but it get fix with the camber back to normal spec, usually, you don't need to touch the stock tow setting when camber is within spec.

Uhhh.....on a lowered car? Seriously?

camber causes uneven wear in the tires

That is correct, but it will not kill your tires.

[hombredelassrta]

That is correct, but it will not kill your tires

sure did look funny though when i took off my wheels and theback of the tire is completely bald and front side has about 1/2 tread

[TaeMachine]

sure did look funny though when i took off my wheels and theback of the tire is completely bald and front side has about 1/2 tread

What was your toe?

[hombredelassrta]

no idea, havent gotten an alignment. i'm sure its off as well ;) i mess with the height etc way too often right now for an alignment however i wont have any shows for about 3 months so i'll probably keep it at the same level now and get it all aligned

[b18b1tranny]

Uhhh.....on a lowered car? Seriously?



That is correct, but it will not kill your tires.

I work in a garage and done 1000s of alignement, yes 90% weren't lowered, but still I done it on my car and worse camber with a race hotchkis spring was -0.05 with adjusted camber to about -0.5.

Now I have street hotchkis and it goes -0.03. Never touched toe, not even loosen it.

meaby if you lower with a crazy show kit or coilovers, you won't be able, but else, it should be fine.

[b18b1tranny]

Apparently you can get Front and Rear Camber Adjustment bolts from Eibach.
Unless theres a misprint or mistake.

Rear
http://www.jscspeed.com/celica/suspension/eibach_camber_bolts.htm

Front
http://www.sfxperformance.com/parts/EIB581270K.htm

Unless theres a misprint or mistake

why buy a aftermarket kit, when OEM kit is free in the back and less then 10$ per wheel in the front?

[hombredelassrta]

yea my problem is when i lower it for shows i need my front and rear to have massive neg camber but then for daily i raise it up and have only alittle neg

[robare99]

Hotchkis camber plates FTW. The insides of my old tires were worn bald, I should have taken a pic.

http://teamcelica.com/members/8/RoBceli10.jpg

[hombredelassrta]

how much neg camber can you get out of them? i need more neg then the stock adjustment allows for

[silver_celica]

I lowered my car about 1 1/2 months ago and just happened to look at the rear tires and saw that they were bald. I have the skunk2 springs (about 2" all around). Will i be able to adjust it with the stock camber bolts????

[hombredelassrta]

at a 2" drop, the stock camber wont really help much

[silver_celica]

Thats what i was afraid of. Who has the cheapest camber correction kits???

[hombredelassrta]

for rear, there is the sbc or something like that, it is around 150 i think on ebay? other kit is hotchkis which is in the mid 200's i think. those are prettymuch your only options for the rear

[neological]

I lowered my car about 1 1/2 months ago and just happened to look at the rear tires and saw that they were bald. I have the skunk2 springs (about 2" all around). Will i be able to adjust it with the stock camber bolts????

Probably.

[hombredelassrta]

its worth a shot but i think at 2" you are too far down to get close to 0 camber

[robare99]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hotchkis-Sport-Rear-Camber-Links-00-05-Toyota-Celica_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1 247QQcategoryZ33581QQihZ007QQitemZ170209427455QQrd Z1QQsspagenameZWD1V

[hombredelassrta]

rob u can get them cheaper elsewhere. i think even some of the vendors on here can do better then that. i saw low 200's somewhere

[silver_celica]

Well i guess ill go ahead and buy some new tires for the rear this weekend. I cant afford the correction kit till like the middle of next month.
Thanks for the help guys. :thumbup:

[Pulsar1]

FWIW, the celica's rear tires toe-in when the suspension is compressed or lowered. Toe causes more wear per degree of aggression than camber. Its like draging the tires side ways.

[Soo__Fuego]

Apparently you can get Front and Rear Camber Adjustment bolts from Eibach.
Unless theres a misprint or mistake.

Rear
http://www.jscspeed.com/celica/suspension/eibach_camber_bolts.htm

Front
http://www.sfxperformance.com/parts/EIB581270K.htm

Unless theres a misprint or mistake

could be a misprint cause there the same part number

[robare99]

Theres some Hotchkis Camber plates in the for sale section....

[sasa097]

http://www.titanmotorsports.com/hotsporrearc.html

best i found so far

[anti-JDM]

its worth a shot but i think at 2" you are too far down to get close to 0 camber

At 2 inch drop it is still possilble to get to(or close to) stock specs, i think you just need a skilled person to who knows what they're doing.

But dropping the car and realigning the tires back to stock or near zero, wouldn't that hurt handling? make it more twitchy.

I mean i get it, in this case you want to look cool with the drop and save your tires, but i guess i just hate seeing this forum turned into Appearance Forum part 2.

[Sancho]

Anybody have the Toyota Parts number for the front camber bolts? Or could they direct me to where I could find that information.

[CID]

no idea, havent gotten an alignment. i'm sure its off as well ;)

So your previous statement is false.


I've been running absolute zero toe front and rear with -1.5 camber rear and -1.8 camber in the front for 7 years and two sets of tires on my car, I have yet to see any of my tires worn unevenly. :gap:

[hombredelassrta]

So your previous statement is false


sure did look funny though when i took off my wheels and theback of the tire is completely bald and front side has about 1/2 tread = previous statement

if you were talking about:
camber causes uneven wear in the tires

i stand by that. with negative/positive camber, either the inside of the tire or outside of the tire wears faster (*edit for those who cant understand: then the side not touching as much) as there is less contact made with the other portion of the tire. Hence it is not even. i am pretty sure that is a generally agreed upon statement

[CID]

yea my problem is when i lower it for shows i need my front and rear to have massive neg camber but then for daily i raise it up and have only alittle neg

Not trying to bust your ballz or anything Hombre but you do know your toe also changes along with your camber when you do this, and seeing that you've already stated that you don't have a clue where your toe is set at its no wonder you eat up tires man.

I am rolling on tires right now that are well past the wear markers and they are all four worn out evenly across the tread with my set up. So believe what you want.


Anybody have the Toyota Parts number for the front camber bolts? Or could they direct me to where I could find that information.

JC Whitney has them and they are not to expensive, I paid like $17 or so Chris

[hombredelassrta]

can you please tell me how if the wheels are cambered in where the outside edge is not touching the road (or barely) it will wear the same as the inside? maybe your 1.5 isnt enough to matter, or your tire preasure is low enough that it evens out the tread so all is touching but unless there is some magic tires, if its not touching i cant wear away.

And if my toe were off then the whole tire should show signs if toe alone were the issue. when i say uneven tire wear i clearly was talking about how it is uneven where the inside of the tread has less then the outside, hence uneven due to camber, not toe.

Also, you 1st said that my statement about camber was false, therefore only toe could affect the tire?? where did i say toe was not an issue. Stop reading only what you want to read

[hombredelassrta]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hombredelassrta
camber causes uneven wear in the tires

That is correct, but it will not kill your tires.
If you read correctly as Mica did, you would then agree with me

[Midnight]

Yall need to drive faster in the curves...:D
I DD my AE82 FX16 w/ -2.7 LF -2.5 RF -1.7 LR -1.5 RR
Zero toe up front and 1/8 degree toe in in the back.
When I sit in the car everything (L/R) evens up!!

Toe IN in the rear adds stability. Toe OUT will increase lift throttle rotation, but twitchy on straights.
Toe is THE tire killer. Camber will add some additional wear, but by itself not as much.

[CID]

Yall need to drive faster in the curves...:D


Amen to that, thats the reason for neg camber and why my "magic" tires are worn evenly :gap:

[TaeMachine]

A lot of us here are running more than normal negative camber yet none of us are complaining about uneven tire wear.

Also, the rear of the celica toes out when it compresses.

[kimGT]

Well the thing is Hombre is constantly changing his suspension geometry so his alignment is probably wacky in more ways than one, so his tires are dying because of any number of things.

[hombredelassrta]

Well the thing is Hombre is constantly changing his suspension geometry so his alignment is probably wacky in more ways than one, so his tires are dying because of any number of things

i dont think you all quite understand what my statement was and what i was saying. ALL i was saying was that with high negative or high positive camber, less of a side of the tire will touch the road, hence less of that section will wear and therefore cause UNEVEN tire wear. Not Faster, not Slower, all i am saying that if a portion of the tire is not touching evently, it should wear differently hence uneven.

Yes, my tires go quick due to alignment/toe etc but I am not complaining as i dont pay for tires. All i was Simply stating was that camber can cause Uneven tire wear, thats all, no more, no less and for the reason i just stated above. Less contact, less wear.

[CID]

i dont think you all quite understand what my statement was and what i was saying. ALL i was saying was that with high negative or high positive camber, less of a side of the tire will touch the road, hence less of that section will wear and therefore cause UNEVEN tire wear. Not Faster, not Slower, all i am saying that if a portion of the tire is not touching evently, it should wear differently hence uneven.

Yes, my tires go quick due to alignment/toe etc but I am not complaining as i dont pay for tires. All i was Simply stating was that camber can cause Uneven tire wear, thats all, no more, no less and for the reason i just stated above. Less contact, less wear.

In straight line driving yes I agree dude and did from the get go. Myself, Tae machine and Kim gt are all running auto-x set ups and hardly ever settle for straight line driving :)

[hombredelassrta]

all i said is that camber can cause uneven wear. its logical, common and im pretty sure you cant argue against in yet somehow it wasnt clear.

[Soo__Fuego]

i had never seen it posted so ill put up the pic of the eibach rear camber kit

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8558/eibachwd7.jpg

[zero2toy]

i had never seen it posted so ill put up the pic of the eibach rear camber kit

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8558/eibachwd7.jpg

Where can I buy these? Other than on Potn.com, they are in Euro's, not sure if they even ship to the US...

[hombredelassrta]

i recall reading somewhere that they were not made for ours or something. that we only could use the hotchkis or the spc (*sp/order)

[Soo__Fuego]

Where can I buy these? Other than on Potn.com, they are in Euro's, not sure if they even ship to the US...

honestly i dunno thats the first time i had seen a pic, i know online vendors advertise them but i dunno, like hombre said hotchkis or spc, but their is a how to camber adjust in the install section, im on skunk2 coilovers and it brought it back to stock with out buying anything:thumbup:

[deltaB]

Where can I buy these? Other than on Potn.com,...That sure looks like an SPC. Just buy one of those.
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/1432767440_Specialty_Products.JPG (http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=19149&size=big&cat=&ppuser=14327)
(or two)
ΔB

[Sancho]

I called Toyota Escondido and they have no idea about camber bolts or a camber kit, so they referred me to an outside group for a camber kit. Not expensive, but i'll get it done when I get new tires.

Also, Mica said that camber problems won't kill your tires. Well, they're killing mine. I can see the rods now on the insides. I'm pretty sure they'll disintegrate soon if I don't get new tires and realign.

[Soo__Fuego]

I called Toyota Escondido and they have no idea about camber bolts or a camber kit, so they referred me to an outside group for a camber kit. Not expensive, but i'll get it done when I get new tires. Also, Mica said that camber problems won't kill your tires. Well, they're killing mine. I can see the rods now on the insides. I'm pretty sure they'll disintegrate soon if I don't get new tires and realign.
Go to another dealership, ALL dealerships have adjustable camber bolts or "crash" bolts, i was quoted $4 for each front bolt (3 dot ones) and $9 for the rears, ill go on mon and get part numbers

[deltaB]

...and $9 for the rears, ill go on mon and get part numbersPlease do.
This is the first time I've heard about anything for the rear. Have them show you where they go in the parts diagram.
Thanks,
dB

[Soo__Fuego]

Please do. This is the first time I've heard about anything for the rear. Have them show you where they go in the parts diagram. Thanks, dB have you tried the "how to" in the INSTALL section? It has enough movement to correct most springs drop, its free and easy to do, chances are you wont need the toyota crash bolt

[TaeMachine]

have you tried the "how to" in the INSTALL section? It has enough movement to correct most springs drop, its free and easy to do, chances are you wont need the toyota crash bolt

I dont think he needs the adjustment. He's just wondering where a rear crash bolt would go. At least that's what I'm curious about.

[frederi80]

I know this is an old topic, but I've been frustrated at the fact that after alignment I still get wear out on the front inside way faster than the rest of the tire.

here's a link for info on camber, toe, etc. No I'm not associated with them, I just did a quick search to try to fix my prob.
http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm

[deltaB]

...after alignment I still get wear out on the front inside way faster than the rest of the tire.

Do you have the numbers from your last alignment?
A little toe-out will eat up the inside of your fronts. Plus if you are spinning them off of corners, that will eat up the inside too. It may not just be camber.
dB

[Soo__Fuego]

frederi80 you need to go to a different alignment shop, there should be no reason y they cant properly align your car, regardless of dropped or stock