Engine & Transmission questions..

[celicarace]

Hmm, so yes, I am quite interested in the engines & transmissions of the Celica vs. the Honda Civic Si.

First off, in terms of dimensions, is the Si motor larger or smaller than the Celica's? Next, how about dimensions of the transmissions? I know that I could just take the tranny off of my car, but that'd be too much work just to measure it. Is it possible to use the motor & tranny from the celica (or any front wheel drive car) and put it on something to make it RWD? Like... if you sit your back facing the engine instead (but how will the wheels push you forward, in this case "backwards"). The wheels will be spinning "backwards" if you put it in 1st gear but it'll be going "forwards" if your put it in Reverse. Would you need a new transmission? Or would you need to reverse the engine? But if you reverse the engine, how will you then fit the tranny into the engine?? Ahhhh so many question.

Basically I'm asking if you can make a FWD engine & tranny to a RWD with the same engine & tranny or what kind of tranny you would need for the engine, or what would you need to do? That's all for now. Thanks for reading.

[celicarace]

Oh btw, this would be a Rear drive, Rear engine. So the engine will be located in the rear, while the tranny is up front, duh.

[importfreak8]

dude if you want a rwd 2zz just go buy a mr2-s and drop the 2zz in that or buy a elise or exige. rwd 2zz....in a celica.....once youve spent the money to have that done you couldve had an elise, hell maybe the exige =/

my .02

[supergoat]

Oh btw, this would be a Rear drive, Rear engine. So the engine will be located in the rear, while the tranny is up front, duh.

wait....Rear Engine....RWD....Tranny up front?

[celicarace]

Tranny up front.

The tranny layout is the same as a normal car.. it sits next to the driver. But it connects BACK to the engine, so it's a rear engine/rear drive. I know there is a way, maybe by purchasing a transaxle tranny?? But what manufactuer would provide a tranny for the Celica engines?

Let me ask this too. Does the Elise/Exige have the same tranny as the Celica? That would be something worthy of getting then, the Elise tranny. And I'm not saying that I'm dumping all this into the Celica, it's for some other project ;) I was just thinking about the Lotus with its RWD/Rear engine layout...

[silentchaos]

waste of time. :closed:

[supergoat]

Technically you COULD have a rear engine, RWD car with the tranny up front....but there is no point. The drivetrain loss due to the (at least) two driveshafts you'd have to run to the custom tranny would neglect any benefit(that I can't even think of) this layout would provide.

Unless you just mean having everything in the rear and are referring to the shifter has the transmission, in that case yes there are many cars that use the setup. There is just a set of gear linkage connecting the transmission(in the rear) to the shifter next to you.

[celicarace]

That's pretty much what I was asking, I guess..

Where would all the fluid's fit? At the front of the car? So I'd have lots of wires & cables running from the front to the rear (engine)?

So let's say the engine is in the back, then how would you connect the throttle pedal cable to the engine.. shouldn't be too hard, I don't think..

[blacken]

ohhhh
i get it
you want to make your RWD car
and saying the trany would be in the front pretty much you mean the shifter and stuff XD

What you need to do is research the way the MR-2s is setup

pretty much its all connected with a series of connectors like someone said
the actual trany is still in the rear powering the rear wheels
the actual tranny isnt in the front next to the driver

the cable throttle just directs itself to the rear

you confused a few people
they thought you ment rear engine foward moving wheels
which would be one real crazy stupid setup

no what your asking is much more doable

research the MR2
it will answer your questions

[silentchaos]

So let's say the engine is in the back, then how would you connect the throttle pedal cable to the engine.. shouldn't be too hard, I don't think..

you can run throttle cables just about anywhere, but my question to you is why spend/waste all that money when by the end of it you could have bought a older 911 or an mr2. leave the car building to the car builders.

[celicarace]

Well, all this does help. Saying to use MR2 or other equivalent mid/rear engine drives.

But the thing is, I want to take a Front wheel drive engine/transmission set-up.

There are several question I could ask, but I'll only ask some. On the 1zz or 2zz, or perhaps any other road front drive car, is the transmission connected to the side of the engine? Like this : http://www.teamdelsol.com/technical/techstuff/vtec/-jvx_vtc1.jpg
So basically, the transmission is the thing on the left of the engine?

How would you, then, connect the shifter to the gearing? Obviously the normal H-pattern seen in almost all road cars. Oh & this big gearbox/engine will be behind the driver. So the shifter would have to be sitting next to the driver of course.

Would I just need shifter cable/wires & connect it to the gearbox or something? Or is that more of a sequential transmission setup? I'm really confused.....

[celicarace]

Actually NEVERMIND the questions up there^.

I just have one question. Since I looked at the 1zz engine & tranny configuration, how does the shifter actually connect to the transmission? Cus I see the engine, then I looked farther down & connected to the right of the engine is the gearing. But of course the shifter is wayyyy back inside of the car. So how does that gear lever reach the the gears up front? By wires or cable? Or is there something I'm missing.....????

After this, I think that I'll be done with this thread as long as you guys can help me answer this. Thanks.