my car is FUGGED!

[larryd]

oh yeah, its definitely fugged..

so get this.. Thursday we finally got the car to start.. it runs like crap and I mean REALLY BAD.. it would start up and idle surge horribly and then lobe REALLY bad obviously becuase of the cams so I wasnt to worried about the idle and lobing.. I took the car for a ride and around 4000rpms as soon as any boost hits the car knocks hard and you hear pop pop pop out the exhaust.. I couldnt even do a log with the pocketlogger becuase the #s are soo eratic to try and figure out what was going on.. also the car was smoking but only lightly and i figured it was just due to the new parts and the fact that there may still be oil in the coolant flushing out..

so from friends advice check the ignition timing at idle.. so I do this and though its eratic becuase of the cams its anywhere from 16-20 at idle and non adjustable since i have a 2g CAS and not a 1g CAS.. according to a few pages online it should be around 5-8 degrees so Im way way off here.. I ask around and the general consensus is either a major boost leak or the timing belt is a tooth off..

I have HIN to go to Friday and my car is boothed with Injen which is a very big deal for me, so I decide to drive the car there staying off boost the entire time and take it easy just to get the car there.. Well I get about 30 mins away from my house and I realize my clutch is slipping.. Its a brand new clutch/flywheel so there is no way in hell it should be slipping. Come to find that somehow someway a large chunk of my o2 housing decided to break off and is gone.. its right where it mounts to the downpipe so the exhaust fumes are now coming straight up into the engine bay and essentially cooking my clutch lines which are right there. This then boils the clutch fluid causing so much pressure on the system that it wont let the clutch disengage meaning it will slip and slip until its cooled off.. ok so that makes sense, Ill buy a VP o2 dumptube monday and be done with that..

Im driving down the road to make sure its ok and working before we embark again and little did I know my friend didnt latch my hood, I go over a bump and as the car is coming up the wind catches my hood and slams it up against my windshield.. broke the hood in 4 spots, the carbon fiber is now coming off the hood.. hmm ****ty.. now i need an o2 housing and a new hood.. well atleast it didnt break my window..

So we decide to get something to eat before we get on the highway.. I decide to call Injen and see what im sposed to do when I get to AC, I talk to Ryan and he has no clue that im sposed to be there car at the show.. supposedly there was a big miscommunication and he was never told that I was gonne be there so now my booth is gone.. this day is just getting better and better..

We drive down and the ride isnt that bad other then having to pull over about every 25 mins or so to let the clutch cool off to keep it from slipping.. We get about 15 miles out side of AC and guess what.. I get pulled over and why.. becuase of my tint.. dear god can anything else go wrong today.. the cop was bout to rip apart my car and search it.. He thought I was carrying drugs or something.. oh well, no ticket no harm just another annoyance that I can add to my list for the day..

I finally get there and Saturday goes well at the show.. I drive home and the car starts smoking bad.. like alot worse then it was before and my friend keeps telling me it might be becuase of the rebuild and not to worry about it etc etc etc.. I go to sleep at 5am and get up at 3 this afternoon with intentions on a compression test.

So the time comes and we do the compression test.. yup the weekend jsut got alot worse.. 120 120 110 95.. We add oil to the last 2 cylinders in the spark plug chambers and try again and they go to 125 and 110.. according to the service manual my piston rings and friend. Now im thinkign to myself god why do i deserve this.. 3 weeks to put this thing back together and now I got to take it apart again and go even further this time..

Im going to call Extreme tomorrow and Turbo Trix and see how much they want to do a 1g swap for me becuase Im not rebuilding a 7 bolt block and I dont know if I have it in me anymore to work on this car.. my mental state is seriously going down the drain.. so I have to come to work 2nite.. I have to bring my car as I have no other method of transport now, I figure as long as I keep off the car and keep it full of oil Ill be fine to drive it and watch the temps.. well about 1/2 way here.. the whole 3 mile ride it is from work to home I hear something, some clunk type noise and my boost guage drops to negative pressure and just like died.. so im like **** waht now.. I give it gas and the car is a SLUG, no boost rise at all, and it wont go anywhere.. i mean like the slowest turd Ive ever driven.. luckily I was close to work so I just pulled it into work.. I looked under the hood and all looks normal so I have no clue what the hell the problem is now but if I didnt know better Id say my turbo just seized itself..

so does anyone have any medication they can send me??

a little update.. i just went outside and took the intake off the car to look at the turbo and its fine.. i can spin the propeller fine and its not hitting anything... now the bad news.. the timing belt is loose as ****, like I can take it off by hand right now which is not good.. It doesnt look like the gears have jumped at all but I cant tell.. this is prolly why I couldnt hit boost earlier..

so the plan now is since i have a built valvetrain and im going to have a semi built block Im going to turn up the boost and run nitrous on it as well.. should be around 400whp when its done being tuned.. i need to buy a Civic so I can stop breakin **** :(

[Humza]

CAR MURDERER. first the celica and now the gst! but seriously, sorry to hear that man. I hope it all works out.

[CloNeGTS]

Good lord man.....you need a 12-pack!

[CeLicAxTrD]

damn dude sorry to hear that man.... but look at it this way...when i had my GS-T..i bought a big 16g ported and clipped with apexi big front mount and as soon as i put it on...two days later my engine blew...due to crankwalk....i didnt even get to enjoy the power in my car....

[gts24]

take it easy...... everything will work out for the best.

[jotan82]

you need a daily driver...

keep the eclipse for a show/weekend car

[twanmoney]

grrr i been there man
not trubo wise
but:

2 winters ago i did a engine swap on my 77vette.
given:
that there were little to no electronics and there was ample room in the engine bay. it was still a pain in the ass.
then running a seperate tranny fluid cooler & putting the 3000stall converter in to find out it was mislabeld and having to drop the tranny yet again!
arghhh! i feel ur pain bro.
do what i did at the time
i had a daily driver
i didnt look at the vette for a good 2 weeks
got a clear mind
then finished the job up over a weekend 2 weeks later
GL BRO

[GTS LAID]

jesus man.... heres the rest of the story...

he was supposed to stay with me friday and saturday nights... we talked on the phone on friday afternoon... we're both looking forward to going nuts in AC...

anyway around 8PM i get into AC... not 15 minutes into my arrival with my 2 friends, A real bastard in a 240SX goes right through a red light 4 blocks from the taj and side swipes me in the montero... it was really bad, the car is probably going to be totalled, not really sure... anyway at this point my friends and i are on our way to the hospital for what was going to be a 2 night stay (lucky us)... it was bad... one of my friends was in critical for a couple of hours b/c of blood pooling in his extra perrotenial cavity... he came out of it on saturday afternoon... all this time i'm not doing much better than my buddy, i've had a concussion, lost consciousness, almost had my heart stop, and was doing some major bleeding for my axilla (arm pit... practically worst place you can bleed outside the brain cause of all the nerve and cardiovascular connections)...

meanwhile poor larry is in AC with all the problems above trying to get in touch with me... friday comes and goes... saturday comes and goes... and we both get discharged sunday evening... we're both ok now (3rd person was ok)... the driver of the 240SX was also in critical condition and we were hoping he would pull... he did... and as soon as he did he had cops all over him... according to witnesses in the side of the street he ran a red light while going over 60mph in 25 (most of AC is 25)... he's being charged with every speed contest charge, reckless driving charge, and endagering charge you can think of... my guess is he's gonna be in jail for a couple of months...

so as it turns out larry not having a place to stay for friday night was the least of his problems that weekend... now i'm afraid to even plan on going next year...lol.... good news is all is well... yesterday i was able to get back in my celi and tear up the parkway (actually i think i passed blue bomber by exit 88 of the parkway doing somthing like 135)... it was empty though and i was on the Z rated tread so it wasnt as unsafe as one might think...

[Blue Batmobile]

Looks like you're getting a Celica , again:D.

Bat

[Jesse IL]

Wow...so your luck just continues. I'd say your ring lands are definitely broken from all the detonation. I'd let an experienced engine shop build your engine next time, just let someone else deal with the headaches and responsibility.

[nyoneway]

Larry, time to sell the Eclipse and come back to the more reliable Toyota (Supra, MR2, or Celica maybe?).

[CeLiCaJoE]

sorry to hear that larry. hope everything works out well for ya. buy a celi again heh

[mwz26]

Look at the bright side...you didnt get a ticket

[cool2miketlu]

LarryD.. there is no shame in taking public transportation.
Just playing dude.
damn did you piss off a gypsie or what? Looks like you are cursed.
You did not go to New Orleans lately did you?
The problems you are having is because of the extreme modification you did or is it because its a Mitsubishi Eclipse?
Because I had a couple buddy with GS-T that has alot of problems with their eclipse also, and they are not modded.

[BoyRacer]

Dammit i told you to get pistons!!!!!! jk.
Jeez no such luck, huh.
Well that sucks!
if you want you can borrow my car and i will take the bus, you can tubo if while your there if you feal the need to do so. hehe

Well better luck in round 2. stuff always goes wrong when rebuilding, **** happens, you usually learn alot when you have to refix new broken stuff which is good.

[RED]

May be go German...world of the 6 bangers. :)
I switched and loving it.

Good luck dude!

[DaksGT]

Jesus christ thats ****ty larry.
Good luck man

[Camry2000]

For your own safety, please don't drive by any rivers, lakes or any body of water for all that matter. Hell avoid car washes also. :)

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by Camry2000
For your own safety, please don't drive by any rivers, lakes or any body of water for all that matter. Hell avoid car washes also. :)


Oh man thats cold but very helarious!!
why didn't I think of that!!

[Griffin]

Jeez - major suckage. The good news is that between your compression problem and the loose timing belt it probably accounts for the crappy performance. G/L on fixing this mess... wish I lived near ya - I'd swing by and give you a hand.

Just as a thought, back when I was heavy into messing with my MR2 I used to have a 75 Corolla I kept around for just such occarions. I bought it off some guy for $175.00 - it was ROUGH and nasty but it ran and was nice to have as a backup. I gave it to my father in law and he drove it for 2 years, and put a total of $150 in maintenance into it during that time. Now THAT is cheap.

Griffin

[ringthree]

Damn, I'm glad I just moved out of the place that you spent the night in. It's probably starring down a meteor or something.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Dayam Eclipses. Honestly, everyone I know is breaking there's. Is this the red headed step child of Mitsu?

[oldster]

Really sorry to hear about your car Larry but you should seriously consider not doing your own mechanic work anymore......

[F22-Raptor]

Tis why I got the WRX for my Daily Driver and I can mess stuff up on the Celica :):)

[WillyK]

Originally posted by oldster
Really sorry to hear about your car Larry but you should seriously consider not doing your own mechanic work anymore......

Might be good advice...listen to the wise Oldster

[Vroom_Vroom]

sorry to hear about that larry! i hope all works fine..

[Zorn]

You know what they say...when in doubt, dump it in a lake.

[BRAK]

You peeps are SO horrible LOL :chuckles: :nono:

[BoyRacer]

that was kinda harsh.....

[kabal57]

wow man thats some ****ty luck, I know how you feel tho, I've been there where everything just goes totally wrong.
you get that really sick feeling in your stomach... not good :/
hope everything works out ok for you with the rebuild
you gonna go all out with the block now? forged pistons and such?

[oo_snoopy]

Sorry to hear that, you know what they say, that boat won't float.

[Kry]

**** man.. again? sorry to hear it... what's wrong wirh your luck?

[coOOlcelica]

damn larry sorry to hear that man i didnt knew HIN was that bad for u man....when i meet you up there!!!

[2002GT_Celica]

Looks like about everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. But look at the bright side, it probably is not going to get any worse.

[vodox]

Originally posted by CloNeGTS
Good lord man.....you need a 12-pack!

He doesnt need a 12 pack.... he needs a friggin bottle of stolichniya ....

Good Luck , you got ure work cut out for yer...

[QWKsilvr808]

Sorry to hear about the terrible run of bad luck. GTS LAID, I hope you and your friends are feeling better. ;)

[larryd]

Originally posted by oldster
Really sorry to hear about your car Larry but you should seriously consider not doing your own mechanic work anymore......

if it is for sure piston rings then I am going to have a shop do the work for me in pulling the engine, assembling a built balanced 6 bolt block and putting the engine back in and tuning it..

the reason I havent done this yet is becuase even though I do run into constant problems I am competent enough in the engine bay to know what im doing and I can pull the engine out and take it apart and put it back together. Just seems I got really bad luck. I mean I swear the timing belt was fine and now it appears to have been off atleat 1 maybe 2 teeth which is waht caused my timing to be so far advanced and causing all the detonation.

Oh well Im going to do another compresion test tomorrow after letting the car warm up and then Ill prolly pull the head off.. wish me luck

[SlasherX]

Dude, go on a vacation with a rental car. Seriously, get away from this ****, you need a break. :(

And to evryone else, the lake, water jokes are both really rude, immature and just plain stupid as ****. Put yourself in his shoes for a minute.

[oldster]

Originally posted by larryd


if it is for sure piston rings then I am going to have a shop do the work for me in pulling the engine, assembling a built balanced 6 bolt block and putting the engine back in and tuning it..

the reason I havent done this yet is becuase even though I do run into constant problems I am competent enough in the engine bay to know what im doing and I can pull the engine out and take it apart and put it back together. Just seems I got really bad luck. I mean I swear the timing belt was fine and now it appears to have been off atleat 1 maybe 2 teeth which is waht caused my timing to be so far advanced and causing all the detonation.

Oh well Im going to do another compresion test tomorrow after letting the car warm up and then Ill prolly pull the head off.. wish me luck

Please do not take this as a flame but if memory serves me correctly you have detailed the rebuild of engines on three different occaisions. Twice with the Celica and once now with the Eclipse. All have had tragic endings, I would start to look for something other than luck.

The second Celica engine rebuild was doomed from the beginning when you admitted putting it together with scratches in the bore. Why would anyone even conceive of doing that. Your latest description of what you did to the eclipse is also unbelievable. There was clearly something majorly wrong with the motor yet you continued to drive it.

Knowing what your limitations are is a strength not a weakness. Learning is a good thing but you are paying a very steep price in the process. I raced for many years and got exceptional life out of my equipment. The primary reason being I let the experts do the things I was not competant to do. Pulling motors, transmission, intakes etc is no big deal. Taking them down to their component parts and putting it back together right is another story entirely. Anyway that's just my input, good luck.

[larryd]

ok.. sorry if I took it the wrong way but you dont have all yer facts

first off with the Celica the first engine went or atleast appeared to be on its way becuase the car ran low on oil and basically caused the piston ring to go.. this may have been lack of oil or possibly detonation from the nitrous.. not sure and Ill never know.. we took it apart before it broke and decided to rebuild it..

next, we put the engine back together with the scratches in the cylinder wall because I could not afford a new block at the time since I just dumped tons of $$ into it and you can not hone a Celicas cylinder walls becuase of the material it is made of..

secondly the reason is blew actually is because the one piston we did not replace, well the rings on that one went and BOOM.. quickly it went from rod knock to a hole in the cylinder wall.. Did I know anything about putting engines together then? nope not at all, but i had help from friends who knew what they were doing and have done it before. should I have replaced the one other piston, hell yes.. I shoulda replaced the entire block but sometimes funds arent there to do what should be done..

as for the 2nd engine.. well the engine was actually fine.. it was the tranny that had issues and Ill be the first to tell you and everyone else ill never ever ever **** with a tranny again in my life.. tranny specialty shops exists for a reason, cuz trannys are a bitch..

wit the Eclipse.. well there are just to many factors to really explain unless you know an Eclipse inside out and know whats normal for these cars and whats not.. I knew the ignition timing was way off.. but I also know that if you dont get on the car and keep the rpms down the ignition timing will be fine as it is just slightly higher then where it should be at WOT.. But like I said Im not going to get into it..

I dont mean to come off harsh but I get sick of people thinking I dont know my **** when I really do.. If I dont know something Ill be the first to admit it and then I teach myself. But the thing with rebuilding the engine comes down to this.. Do it myself with something I do know how to do and risk missing something and blowing it which costs me time but no $$ to do the work myself, or spend upwards of 3-5k to have it done for me.. I personally cant sleep at night knowing that I paid someone else that much $$ to do something I know how to do myself. but thats just me

[oldster]

Fine, your money and motors........

[larryd]

wow.. and here I expected alot more of an argument from you then that..

[po9i]

everyone is saying sorry..i feel for gts-laid.....and larry get rid of teh eclipse and start working on a new car for NOPI

[ringthree]

Originally posted by larryd
wow.. and here I expected alot more of an argument from you then that..

What else did you expect him to say?

[cruzerz545]

Larry, just ditch it in a pond and get another car ;-) j/k

You have as bad of luck with cars as I do.

[HilfigerCelica]

It's just a part of tuning cars. When you finally get the Eclipse together and do 12's, you'll forget about this. You should seriously consider getting a beater for situations like this.

[Red-one]

For what I heard you had problems with clearance....and maybe hit valves-piston in that cylinder that's why you lost your compresion stroke +'s your boost is flying through that cylinder bc's theres a big leak.....bent valve etc..."You should have baby steps instead of running with your limp leg.." You are making too many mods at the sametime with out gving yourself and car time to adjust for the varying changes......

[Griffin]

He he - Larry If your doing all this work yourself its gotta be because you like messing with cars and thats what its all about is whats fun for you. And I totally understand how ya feel. on one of my 4A-GE builds (was for my MR2) I was doing all the work at the shop at night after work and I got sloppy and put my head gasket on backwards (easier to do than it sounds - everything LOOKS pretty much perfect especially when the lighting in teh work area is sub par). Anyways needless to say I was tired and up way too late to be doing what I was doing and the next day when I took it for a spin sure nuff I was hemmoraging oil out the side of the block (turns out everythign lined up except one oil galley). So I had to take it back down and do it again. All it cost me was a head gasket and some time and while it was annoying it was still kinda fun. I fixed it at my house instead of teh shop because I didn't feel like taking **** from the guys at work over such a boneheaded mistake. (I used 4 quarts of oil on the way home - I was stopping every couple miles to top off :) ) And it was funny but I had even more fun doing it the second time at home. Also took a lot less time with everythign being fresh in my mind. So why should this make you feel better? At the time I was a full time Tech - already had my ASE Masters and L1 certs and had been doing it for 5 years or so and had built at least 30 or 40 engines with almost no problems. Whats worse is I had built 2 4A-GE engines previously back when I was auto-x ing my Corolla FX-16 a few years before that and never had any problems. Go figure. Mind you this was only fun because I had alternate transportation at the time, would have sucked otherwise.

Moral of the story - Get a beater so you can take your time with the engine work and do what ya wanna do - if its what you do for fun then theres no reason to pay someone else to do it for ya even if you do screw up sometimes - gotta learn somewhere right?

Griffin

[boxologist]

get a new hyundai.

[t2000gts]

damn that whole story sucks, you have such bad luck, man :( and i think GTS LAID had even crazier luck, that's one helluva weekend, that would be a pretty big event for me, you sorta talked about it like you just got up out of the hospital and left like it was any normal day, glad to see you're okay :)

just a question tho, do you know what exactly caused this mess? if the timing belt was off, and the ignition timing was all off, but you didn't get on the car, it still wouldn't have been enough to detonate it to hell and back (which is what fried the piston rings, right?), would it?

what really sucks is how all this **** seems to happen to you at once, like the hood tihng, losing the booth for injen, etc.

and if car-messing experience comes from having **** blown up and learning why and how to fix it...you're pretty far along already :)


PS: go buy another celica ;) :D nd4spd's is still for sale here :p

[2000 XYR]

Man, sorry to hear all that Larry. Talk about a bad couple of days.
I thought I had a bad week. I feel much better now. ;)

[swift 21]

damn larry all the bad things that could happen to someone in a lifetime have happend to you "IN MONTHS". Why don't you just buy a tank that you CANT modify.

[larryd]

im sure I could find a way to modify a tank :)

[Griffin]

Buy a Prius :) - G/L modifying it.

Griffin

[Keyshawn]

Yeah, I've met a number of Eclipse GST and GSX owners who have run into many reliability problems when modding their cars beyond the regular exhaust and intake stuff. Good luck, and hopefully you can get your ride back on track soon.

[larryd]

when will people realize its not just an Eclipse thing or any other car for that matter.. its any car that you proceed to heavily modify.. Ive taken my car from 205hp to upwards of 375 now, gotta expect **** to break

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
when will people realize its not just an Eclipse thing or any other car for that matter.. its any car that you proceed to heavily modify.. Ive taken my car from 205hp to upwards of 375 now, gotta expect **** to break

Wow. I didn't know you were going for that much HP. 375? Yeah, stuff is bound to break at that level. But I have talked to a number of Eclipse guys that have had problems with their trannies and their main bearings pushing much less hp than that. I've been told its a fairly common problem with Eclipses, but I'm not saying that statement is the gospel truth.

[xi KiNG ix]

damn that REALLY blows.. i think the admins r being cursed by a voodoo god!! first stat now larr/laid

[tagyoreit]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid23/p5ef4def252083a87a3906d9d4ef5ca7f/fda052d9.jpg.orig.jpg

[larryd]

btw incase anyone cares.. i decided to rebuild the bottom end with Crower Rods and Ross Pistons.. Im hoping for 325 wheel hp and then throwing a 75 shot of nitrou on top of it and raising the rev limiter to 8500.. can u say 400whp at 8500rpms :)

[vodox]

I cant say that.... but i can say.... good luck :)

[Maelfyn]

Ouch.. some hard knocks there Larry. Makes my intermittent CEL and my B&M shifter that spins around seem trivial.

[Griffin]

So Larry - hows yer ride comin along?

Griffin

[junkyard]

Hey Larry I just bought a 95 GST and I would like to get the SAFC from you. I got cash.