Apexi Power FC and stuff.......

[celicauk]

All arrived today.....

Apexi Power FC
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/~celicaclub/japan_stuff/ecu.jpg

Power FC Commander
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/~celicaclub/japan_stuff/controller.jpg

RSM-GP with sensor and stand
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/~celicaclub/japan_stuff/rsm.jpg

SARD Fuel Pressure Regulator
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/~celicaclub/japan_stuff/sard.jpg

Injector (4 of these)
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/~celicaclub/japan_stuff/greddy.jpg

Not convinced the injectors will fit yet but we shall see.

[PinoyGTS]

What size injectors are they? Actually what are the stock injector size on a GT and a GT-S?

[celicauk]

These are 550cc injectors, I think stock are about 310cc.

[veilside02celi]

how much did thePower FC set you back?

[celicauk]

Power FC is 98000JPY
Commander 35000JPY

[komar]

Anyone know when the PowerFC is available in the US???

Kareem

[00 scrub]

you can call A'PEXi at (714)685-5700

[Kaizer-Souze]

hey celica uk is that the celica version, ohh man if it is that kind of bums me out cause my turbo kit would be getting in my car right now if apexi japan would just let apexi america sell the damn thing, and to the best of my knowledge for those who are interested I beleive it will be available before the end of july but it is not completely certain yet

[larryd]

hey, can u send that my way :)

[celicauk]

Yes it is the Celica version, well in this case its for the MR-S but as its a 1ZZ-FE I figured it should work anyway, and after fitting it this morning I can confirm it definitely does work, and what an excellent piece of kit, full control of ignition, injection, cold start, temp maps, VVT and rev limit, plus some other stuff too.

The 2ZZ version is also available and I would guess that it will also control the lift point, after all, if they can do the VVT then VVL should be no problem.

Just order it from Takakaira then you don't have to wait for Apexi USA to get their act together, its not OBD-II compliant so it isn't country specific.

About the only problem I have is the instructions are in Japanese so I have no idea what it says.

[Kaizer-Souze]

I would except since that is what xs is bundling with there turbo that is what I have already paid for so it is either wait or shell out another 1500+ for it which I don't have after everything I have ordered so i will go in to my shop on monday and start asking around about it maybe they got authorized early:) but I doubt I am that lucky

[celicauk]

Took the stock injectors out and the Greddy 550cc ones will fit in the head but they angle up a bit differently so I am going to have to get a custom fuel rail.

I am thinking about getting some adaptors made to go on the injectors and convert to a threaded output, then I can fit braided lines on them which will go to a four way distribution block and onto the fuel feed, opinions ?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by celicauk

Just order it (Apexi's Power FC) from Takakaira then you don't have to wait for Apexi USA to get their act together, its not OBD-II compliant so it isn't country specific.

About the only problem I have is the instructions are in Japanese so I have no idea what it says.

I always thought using a Japanese Power FC with a US Celica had these problems:

1. Many readings on the Power FC Controller are in Japanese, making anyone who can't read Japanese unable to tune it.

2. The provided Japanese base fuel and ignition maps won't work with US gas.

3. OBD II Celicas in the US have a different wiring harness than non-OBD II Celicas in Japan.

I could be wrong about ALL three things, so if anyone wants to give it a try, here are some links to Takakaira so you can order your own Power FC:

http://www.takakaira.co.jp/
http://www.takakaira.co.jp/php/table.php3?id=304&cat=2
http://www.takakaira.co.jp/performance/apex/buttons.php3?index=electronics
http://www.takakaira.co.jp/php/buttons.php3?cat=2

[celicauk]

1 - It is pretty much all in English, only things I have found that aren't are the Yes/No indicators for some of the settings and the warning message when you initialise the ECU.

2 - It does state that you need to use high octane gas in order for it to work, however, I don't use a high octane gas, it is our ordinary 95, don't know what you guys get over there but from previous threads it would seem that its all pretty much the same, just different methods of measurement.

3 - Don't know about this but I do know my wiring diagram book is for Europe/Australia, this would lead me to believe the Japan wiring is slightly different or it would be in the same publication.

Just to make the point clear, I have fitted this unit and it is running, the method of fitting is to remove the old ECU, plug in the Apexi ECU and start the engine, then do some self learn ECU setup for idle (ie leave it running for 10 minutes) and go get it tuned. I have made no changes to any wiring and nothing is shown in the manual for wiring changes.

If anyone wants to compare ECU wiring I can scan the wiring book and they can match it up, might avoid an expensive error. The Apexi USA site has the manual for the Power FC available in its documentation section. Its fairly lightweight and doesn't describe the actual techniques involved in tuning the car, I guess this is becuase it is supposed to be supplied by trained Apexi tuning companies.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by celicauk

If anyone wants to compare ECU wiring I can scan the wiring book and they can match it up, might avoid an expensive error.

If you could do this, it would be incredibly helpful and would be much appreciated. Thanks, man!

[atehrani]

I can't wait for this to come to the US.

[ishido]

Originally posted by celicauk

2 - It does state that you need to use high octane gas in order for it to work, however, I don't use a high octane gas, it is our ordinary 95, don't know what you guys get over there but from previous threads it would seem that its all pretty much the same, just different methods of measurement.


Our best pump gas is 91. It starts at 87 I believe. :wtc:

[celicauk]

I reckon a lot of this is to do with the method of measurement though, I think there has been a couple of different threads on this subject, could be worth looking them up. Either way, I don't think it matters as you will be tuning the ECU to suit what you have anyway, my FC came pre tuned for a Japanese Celica running high octane fuel, 101 over there I think, but it still runs ok and the self learn did the business.

I'll sort the wiring diagrams out when I get home tonight.

Cheers

[M SPEC]

Congrats on the purchase. The knock level indicator on the FC Commander is great feature. Good luck on finding the right person the get the best out of the unit.

[atehrani]

Monkey Wrench Racing has it for sale for the GT-S for the USA! :)

http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/

[celicauk]

Thats bloody expensive, its only $768 dollars for the FC and about $274 for the commander, import it yourself, also the prices are the same for the GT and GT-S, the GT is listed for the MR-S but I know it works as thats the one I have :D

Too much markup on that one.

[celicauk]

Sorry for the delay, I have scanned in the relevant bits of the manual so you should be able to check it out and see whats different or not. The images are a bit big so I haven't put them on as images in this document, instead use the links below.

Power Source (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/power_source.jpg)

ECT1 (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/ect1.jpg)

ECT2 (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/ect2.jpg)

ECT and A/T 1 (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/ect_at1.jpg)

ECT and AT 2 (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/ect_at2.jpg)

Start and ignition (http://www.tradekey.co.uk/images/manual/start_ign.jpg)

I know some of them are a bit fuzzy, not too good at image enhancement etc, the original items where huge, in excess of 2.5Mb each, however, if they prove to be totally useless let me know and I will do them again.

Cheers

[monkeywrench]

>$768 dollars for the FC and about $274 for the commander, >import it yourself

I wish... check the exchange rates, it'll cost a LOT more than that now. Also factor in shipping from Japan, the surcharge they add on for using a credit card, etc. Plus, we do stock the parts, and can offer installation, tuning, and tech support to our customers. Not trying to make excuses, just being realistic.

We're not getting rich on this, just trying to offer an exciting solution to many of the problems Celi owners are facing. BTW, thanks to several of you for the encouraging emails we've received already regarding the Power FC. It's good to know there's so much interest in new stuff for the Celica- that's what keeps us going.

[celicauk]

Fair enough, the only reason I mention it was I got quoted roughly the same price in pounds as you quote in dollars, this is fairly normal and I was going to go with it, however, after a look at Takakaira's website I decided to do it my self, for

[t2000gts]

holy **** it has stuff for the auto tranny! :D

i wonder if it will work with the sportshift GTS...

oh my god. it has

"SPORTS A/T 1" to "SPORTS A/T 4" and "M" listed!?!? It works on the sportshift gts?!? OMFG. I WANT THIS.

if anyone can verify that this will otherwise hook up to USDM celicas, i'm so buying this.

[steckelberg]

This is the black box we've been looking for to unlock the full potential of the 2zz. But there is no offical US version yet right? And few(if any?) dealers able to specifically tune it for us?

[celicauk]

I doubt there ever will be a USA specific version, it gets rid of the OBD-II stuff so its not really meant for street use anywhere.

Apparently Monkeywrench can tune it for you.

[boostinmr2]

im using one on my turbo mr-s, it is a direct plug and play and just pull back some timing top end to use it with US pump gas.

they do make one for the 2zz and its the only ecu out there that has full vvti control.....its not expensive at all compared to haltech units, tec2 or tec3, motec, etc, etc.

if you have the cash and HAVE TUNIGN KNOWLEDGE, dont think about it and just get it.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by boostinmr2
im using one on my turbo mr-s, it is a direct plug and play and just pull back some timing top end to use it with US pump gas.

they do make one for the 2zz and its the only ecu out there that has full vvti control.....its not expensive at all compared to haltech units, tec2 or tec3, motec, etc, etc.

if you have the cash and HAVE TUNIGN KNOWLEDGE, dont think about it and just get it.

i live in NY, do you know a good place where i can get it tuned?

[soceur]

in michigan at monkeywrenchracing.com

[boostinmr2]

Originally posted by t2000gts


i live in NY, do you know a good place where i can get it tuned?


SPI Power Excel in NJ is an authorized tuner. I forget their website right now..ill try to find it.

[zooq]

Originally posted by celicauk
Thats bloody expensive, its only $768 dollars for the FC and about $274 for the commander, import it yourself, also the prices are the same for the GT and GT-S, the GT is listed for the MR-S but I know it works as thats the one I have :D

Too much markup on that one.
thats cheap, the sell them here in the US(for RX7) for 1250 or more with the comander. do you have a web site that i can get that from?

[Keyshawn]

Here is a link to authorized Apexi "Power Excel" shops (supposedly more knowledgeable than their authorized dealers) from Apexi USA's website: http://www.APEXi-usa.com/powerexcel.asp .

Strangely enough, last week when I called their most trusted Power Excel shop, XS Engineering (which is actually owned by one of the higher ranking guys at Apexi USA), they said that they do NOT presently install and tune the JDM Power FC in the Celica. This goes contrary to what that one XS Engineering rep posted here once.

[celicauk]

Go to http://www.takakaira.com as monkeywrench said though, the dollar is pretty weak at the moment so it'll be more than $768, about $880 will be closer.

[t2000gts]

wow that is obscenely cheap.

[LoSx]

They got the MR-S version which should work in both the MR-S and celica but will it also work in the !ZZ corolla??

[celicauk]

If its for the 1ZZ engine then I see no reason why not. Check the wiring diagrams above and see if it matches up.

[InsaneDriver]

I paid about $1300 for my Power FC and Commander for my RX-7, which was two years ago. This unit definitely kicks ass. There are so many great things about this unit, especially the Commander. You guys might want to look into the Datalogit that came out for the Power FC. This will definitely help you out in so many ways, however, you can't find it at any shop or by A'pexi.

[celicauk]

Its also only available for the RX-7 so were stuffed :)