broken rod :(

[kocheroni]

well, I just found out from toyota that I have a broken rod and it's going to cost about 5000 to 6000. They are claiming that because of my intake it voided the warranty. I however now have to fight it. I didn't misshift or anything, I was downshifting, and it didn't even rev that high before this happened. I'm going to basically have to prove that the intake did not raise the rev limiter, because they are claiming it revs higher because of the intake. In addition, I don't know whether I'm going to get a lawyer, were'g oing to see what toyota usa says. I now have to call them up, but hopefully the results will be positive. Wish me luck.

[WillyK]

That's a bunch of crap, an intake isn't going to make a rod break. I wouldn't take that sh*t from them. I can't believe they are dumb enough to say that.

Sorry to hear about your trouble, I hope you can get it worked out.

[autxr]

Theoretically, even if the intake could raise the rev limit, then they would have to prove you actually over revved it.

As for $5000-6000, I hope that includes a new engine, because replacing a rod isn't that big a deal (replacing all the parts that the broken rod busted is a different story).

Scott

[Mistrimeat]

6000??? Damn! Thats basically the cost of a new motor! Remind me to never throw a rod

[yakkosmurf]

Good luck. No, the intake doesn't make the engine rev higher. They know that. They are just trying to get one by you.

Interesting...another person who's engine dropped a rod without over-revving. My friend's GTS did the same thing. His caught fire though. He chose to let his insurance company settle with him, then let the insurance company go after Toyota to get their money back. That might be an option you'd like to consider.

[kocheroni]

the weird thing is that the CEL didn't come on, how messed up is that?

[Mistrimeat]

Originally posted by kocheroni
the weird thing is that the CEL didn't come on, how messed up is that?

Did the "Replace Engine" light come on? :gap:

[kocheroni]

haha, no. It drives fine too, except for the knocking. I dont' understand how something so serious would not cause a CEL. Plus I know I"m getting jercked around.

[kocheroni]

i just got off the phone, they are now claiming this: "the intake brings more air into the engine, which inturn causes more "compressoin"". the intake doesn't cause more compression. Also, they said that it causes a leaner air/fuel mixture. Doesn't the ecu compensate for it? Anyway, so my dealership said it was due to overrevving the engine, and I'm trying to show them that the intake has no effect on how high the engine rev's. Of course they are stubborn, but now I just gotta go full force :( Either way, I can't afford this, and it's not my fault. I didn't misshift, so I have no clue what it's from.

[t2000gts]

call them out on it. tell them you want cold hard proof of an overrev because the ECU stores that information, you want it to show to corporate toyota.

in the meantime, you should already have called corporate toyota and raised all hell.

[gts24]

you need to get Toyota corporate involved and/or get a new dealer to look at it.

[kocheroni]

i called corportate america, have been, and they have a case and they are reexamining the car. back to my original question, compression does or does not change bewcause of an intake? I always assumed it didn't change. Plus, he says that a TRD intake is different cause they change the ecu around. There is no TRD intake I thought, blah, b.s.

where's a b.s flag when I need one.

[Mistrimeat]

intake, no. filter, yes.

I dont see how an intake could increase compression substantially enough to do that kind of damage. I've never even heard of ANYONE having that problem. I dont know jack about motors and even that sounds fishy to me.

[autxr]

The intake will not let in enough to change the cylinder pressure significantly (it won't change the compression at all, there is a difference).

If the car runs, only with a knock, and they havn'et taken the engine apart, then they don't even know if there is a "broken" rod, it would just be a guess on their part.

Engines don't run right with "broken" rods, they make really bad noises and don't run at all.

You are getting jacked around, plain and simple.

Scott

PS: Yakkosmurf, please trade in that oil burning type R for somthing that is put together right. I know of many Type-R's that burn oil, so they must ALL burn oil (haven't we been through this before). Better watch out for those bad front wheel bearings too.

[2002GT_Celica]

Get a lawyer, that's all I can say. They're spewing BS and if you get a good lawyer and take them to court, I think you will have a great chance of winning your case.

[kocheroni]

good lawyer = $$$$$

[SilverNico]

I just like to sit back and watch Autoxr and Yakko duke it out. It is pretty interesting since they both know close to everything :D

:popcorn:

[Griffin]

No need to sue the dealer just take the car home put your stock intake back and bring it to another dealer. Let THEM make money fixing your car instead of moronic @$$holes that are either VERY stupid or are dead set on screwing you over.

Griffin

[Griffin]

Originally posted by autxr

Engines don't run right with "broken" rods, they make really bad noises and don't run at all.



Welll.... there are SOME exceptions :) I had a Tercel drive in once running on 3 cylinders. It broke a rod, the rod knocked a 4" hole open in the side of the block and another in the bottom of the oil pan. and the owner brought the car in complaining that it was "too noisy"... it boggles the mind... Guy is upset about the noise his car is making and you could friggin see daylight looking through the side of his engine and out the bottom.... I WAS truly amazed the car still ran though.

Griffin

[Brett]

Sounds like what happened to me.
Something about a Spun Rodbearing. They installed a new Crankshaft, and main rod bearings.
Wasn't misshifted, or ove revv'd. Ohwell. Didnt have trouble getting it covered like you are though. By the way. is the knocking over 3,000 rpms in any gear? Thats how it was for my car.

[dx3162]

Running fine with a broken rod huh? Thats a new one to me. If you engine has a knock it could be a bent rod. That happened to my friends elcipse....sounded like really bad valve lash, till the top end was yanked apart and found to be fine. He needed a new short block on his GS-T and that was only 3 grand, new from a dealer. You're definitely gettin it tucked to you man. Dont put up with it.

[gts24]

Originally posted by autxr


PS: Yakkosmurf, please trade in that oil burning type R for somthing that is put together right. I know of many Type-R's that burn oil, so they must ALL burn oil (haven't we been through this before). Better watch out for those bad front wheel bearings too.

Yup, Yakko, your presence here is a much appreciated addition to this group.

However, it gets so damn old when you bring up the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.

I mean come on, if you friends case was an actual huge problem, we'd have heard MORE THAN JUST THAT CASE ON THIS BOARD, OR ANOTHER OF THE CELICA BOARDS.

I know a guy with a type r and he's pissed about synchros.... so that must mean every single type r has problems with synchros right?

It just makes me wonder how many other sites you bring this information up over and over again. I am sure the list runs deep.

Come on Yak,

[GTS LAID]

common guys for once yakko was just saying "hey my friends did the same thing"... and he didnt explicitly make the connection.

either way he'd have to be joking unless he really thinks that 2 exceptions provide for a "sucky engine" rule. In which case all that was said above would be true.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by autxr

PS: Yakkosmurf, please trade in that oil burning type R for somthing that is put together right. I know of many Type-R's that burn oil, so they must ALL burn oil (haven't we been through this before). Better watch out for those bad front wheel bearings too.
I'm looking out for all of those things. Have I ever said not to buy a Celica? I'm just reporting history, that's all. Btw, I might be trading the Type R before too long. I'm getting sick of FWD. I'm back in the market for an MR2 turbo. Better handling and more speed potential.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by gts24


Yup, Yakko, your presence here is a much appreciated addition to this group.

However, it gets so damn old when you bring up the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.

I mean come on, if you friends case was an actual huge problem, we'd have heard MORE THAN JUST THAT CASE ON THIS BOARD, OR ANOTHER OF THE CELICA BOARDS.

I know a guy with a type r and he's pissed about synchros.... so that must mean every single type r has problems with synchros right?

It just makes me wonder how many other sites you bring this information up over and over again. I am sure the list runs deep.

Come on Yak,
The guy making the statement doesn't post here that much. In fact, he made no comment about remembering my posting before. My comments were for him and him alone. Not you. Sorry. I simply related a similar story and relayed the course of action taken in that instance. I thought it might be helpful. Why are you butting in and getting defensive. Seems like an inferiority complex or a reminder of bad news. Grow up...will you.

[gts24]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

The guy making the statement doesn't post here that much. In fact, he made no comment about remembering my posting before. My comments were for him and him alone. Not you. Sorry. I simply related a similar story and relayed the course of action taken in that instance. I thought it might be helpful. Why are you butting in and getting defensive. Seems like an inferiority complex or a reminder of bad news. Grow up...will you.

sorry man , I just re-read my post and it was stupid.... had a really bad day and chose to read the forum under that influence. no hard feelings yakko.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by gts24


sorry man , I just re-read my post and it was stupid.... had a really bad day and chose to read the forum under that influence. no hard feelings yakko.
Don't worry about it. I hope tomorrow goes better for you.

[larryd]

ok back to the subject at hand here.. deal with Toyota corporate.. threaten a lawsuit cuz its complete BS.. btw my 2nd engine spun a rod bearing as well.. hear knock knock knock.. tried to drive it back to my friends house and BOOM.. the rod went through the block.. if all else fails and you cant get Toyota to cover it.. take it to a local mechanic.. replacing a rod should cost you no more then 1000 at MOST.. ofcourse if it shattered yer piston and hit yer valves thats something else.. but dont let Toyota get to you man.. fight it out

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by larryd
btw my 2nd engine spun a rod bearing as well.. hear knock knock knock.. tried to drive it back to my friends house and BOOM.. the rod went through the block..
This was the exact failure on my friend's car. A rod through the block is an amazing thing to see afterwards...

[Camry2000]

A member on the Camry forum blew a rod also on his Camry which only had intake and exhaust. His dealer warrantied everything.

[Brett]

Woah. I feel fortunate now Larry. I really didnt drive on it but a couple miles. Sorry to hear about yours though.

[matrixXRS]

Have you tried contacting the company that makes your intake? If not try and see if they can help you with your problem. Maybe they can send you a letter stating that there product was not the cause of your spun bearing.

[Griffin]

Tell the dealer you want them to call teh Toyota Technical Assistance hotline for their techs with you in the room and ask them if an aftermarkey air filter can cause a spun rod bearing or bent rod. Have them put it on speakerphone. That oughta fix em :)

Griffin

[tirechirp]

The intake raises the power level above the factory level. Toyota warrants the engine as delivered. If they say that the increased power output of the engine with the intake caused the failure, they have a valid argument. You may not even with that one with an excellent lawyer. The law says if your modifications caused the failure you're SOL.

Oh, and a rod knock isn't a broken rod. It's most likely a problem with the rod bearing or cap. It does not require the replacement of the engine. Take it to a reputable race shop and have them take a look, they may be able to replace the rod and/or bearing cheap. Oh, and stop driving it till you get it fixed or it will come apart and trash the engine.

Morals of the story:

- If you destroy your engine, take the 20 minutes to remove the aftermarket air intake before taking it to the dealer.

- Find an aftermarket-friendly dealer

- Avoid the dealer if you're going to push the limits- you have to pay to play.

[kocheroni]

Originally posted by tirechirp
The intake raises the power level above the factory level. Toyota warrants the engine as delivered. If they say that the increased power output of the engine with the intake caused the failure, they have a valid argument. You may not even with that one with an excellent lawyer. The law says if your modifications caused the failure you're SOL.

Oh, and a rod knock isn't a broken rod. It's most likely a problem with the rod bearing or cap. It does not require the replacement of the engine. Take it to a reputable race shop and have them take a look, they may be able to replace the rod and/or bearing cheap. Oh, and stop driving it till you get it fixed or it will come apart and trash the engine.

Morals of the story:

- If you destroy your engine, take the 20 minutes to remove the aftermarket air intake before taking it to the dealer.

- Find an aftermarket-friendly dealer

- Avoid the dealer if you're going to push the limits- you have to pay to play.

one, it's in the shop already and I"m not driving it. 2, although it does raise the power level, toyota could come w/ any excuse on engine failure. They could blame the type of gas for all they care. I know it can raise the power level, but both them and I know that's not what we are dealing w/.