Twin Charged Celica [Archive] - NewCelica.org Forum

2000TRDSC

10-06-2008, 07:36 PM

I was interested in putting a turbo on my Supercharged Celica. I have thought of this before and didnt think it would be possible but I found a Brash Boy Celica with the work actually done. Forged 2zz engine with Blitz S/C and a custom Turbo, header and Piping. Larger injectors a well tuned Power FC.
Claimed 420 HP
Anyone try this before?

many

10-06-2008, 07:43 PM

Nope because it's stupid....sell the supercharger and get Smay's kit and you'll be over 450 HP in no time.

h8eternal

10-06-2008, 07:48 PM

that would be insane
i say if you have the money
do it!
although it would be easier to make that kind of power with a turbo and engine build

dead_star04

10-06-2008, 08:15 PM

its possible but the amount of money you would need would negate the benefits of having this. just get a turbo and be done with it. oh, and umm, feel free to drop that supercharger this way *hint hint*

GTsRasta

10-07-2008, 08:02 AM

Just to make it clear...he has money guys ;)

He's blitz supercharged with a built block.

bt216

10-07-2008, 09:19 AM

I say do it and make sure you spend the money on tuning. I would expect it to be a little rough. I think the power you will have at 1k rpms would be a nice start then a GT35 on the back :drool: you could see a streetable 600+whp celica. well sorta.

mrluilou

10-07-2008, 11:07 AM

i've seen the starts of one :ugh:

2000TRDSC

10-07-2008, 11:24 AM

I have been quoted 420hp with the kit. Plus torque will be very high up. And yes I do have a forged 2zz already with S/C. So I was thinkin to make something not many people have or claim that they have done before. Could be fun.. Check out BrashBoy's website about it.

bt216

10-07-2008, 01:25 PM

i've seen the starts of one waiting to get started
:confused:

02celica

10-07-2008, 02:26 PM

Nope because it's stupid....sell the supercharger and get Smay's kit and you'll be over 450 HP in no time.

Its not stupid at all. Its very smart.

You get the power of the S/C for off the line then have the turbo kick in where the S/C's power drops and you will have a incredibly power celica. If you already have a strong built block then i would say just get a kit and then make you have the right amount of tuning done.

The only thing that comes to mind to me is a dual intercooler setup, or how would you set it up for the intercoolers for both the S/C and the Turbo?

I say go for it, and when you get it done make sure you post up a log and everything. That would be badass. :wiggle:

c3ll

10-07-2008, 02:32 PM

rocking sinks .... do it ... DO IT :)

ik3vini

10-07-2008, 03:56 PM

could you not route 2 pipes into one at the inlet for the fmic and 1 outlet?

enjoi4586

10-07-2008, 08:15 PM

I would never do it. Unless you plan to make it a show car, that will become an endless money pit.

But if you do decide to do it, I would definitely give you probs where they're due.

yakboyslim

10-07-2008, 08:22 PM

Yeah, go for it. I wouldn't have the balls to do it, but go for it.

There was a real small Nissan that had a similar set-up. It was a little 1.3L from like the 90's.

autospeed.com has a write up on it somewhere. Yours would be slightly more awesome.

the ronin

10-08-2008, 06:34 AM

I thought about it for a second and then I thought the trany will explode with the power I have now...459rwhp.....so why bother....?

GTsRasta

10-08-2008, 06:39 AM

Because he can ;) . It really is mostly a show car to him.

Gtsjeg04

10-08-2008, 06:45 AM

there is a Scion Tc that already has a Turbo/Supercharger setup. You could just copy that one since it is a toyota product.

ikhaffaji

10-08-2008, 06:58 AM

I really think that's a great idea on a low torque motor like ours. You'd definitely have tons of power to start up with, and then the turbo would send you for the homerun. I say if you have the means for it, by all means, go for it!

GSBoek

10-08-2008, 07:18 AM

2zz-gtze :d

wel_565

10-08-2008, 07:38 AM

:confused:

:laugh:....he's mexican brad... :shrugs:

bt216

10-08-2008, 09:16 AM

....he's mexican brad...
:chuckles:

I think I would twin charge my car with the greddy charger, but I would want to make it awd first.

Soo__Fuego

10-08-2008, 09:25 AM

Its not stupid at all. Its very smart.
The only thing that comes to mind to me is a dual intercooler setup, or how would you set it up for the intercoolers for both the S/C and the Turbo?

could you not route 2 pipes into one at the inlet for the fmic and 1 outlet?

the blitz s/c to the turbo, turbo to the intercooler, intercooler to the motor ....................... but turbo to the greddy wouldnt be as efficient (as the greddy dosent have an intercooler), so blitz idea is better

2000TRDSC

10-08-2008, 11:51 AM

great info! Thanks everyone.... I am pretty sure I can use 1 intercooler, But I need a second blow-off valve for sure. I may have to replace my high compression pistons lower 9:1.
When I first got this car, I wanted it stroked so bad (3zz) but it seems that it will rev higher with the 1.8L set up. Anyway talk is cheap but I am purchasing the parts right now, and I am hoping for success.

bt216

10-08-2008, 12:16 PM

Wow! DO IT! :thumbup: PICS PICS PICS!!

yakboyslim

10-08-2008, 12:33 PM

I don't know if I would go supercharger to turbo to intercooler. I think that the turbo would be a restriction before it spooled and the s/c after the turbo spooled.

Nissan did it this way
[QUOTE]At low-to-mid revs, the 930cc four is boosted by a positive displacement blower (see Supercharger Steal - Part One for details). At higher revs, however, a relatively large turbo kicks in to give great top-end performance. Note that the transitional stage is very smooth thanks to a relatively simple supercharger/turbo control system. At low rpm the turbo blows through the supercharger which is effectively

GTsRasta

10-08-2008, 01:53 PM

Good luck bro.

The guys at Alamo Motorsports in Texas swapped in a 1MZ V6 into a 2nd gen MR2-Spyder, then at first ran it with the TRD supercharger, took it off, ran it on a custom turbo kit, then combined them both! So considering guys out there are twin charging a V6 swapped midship (and tuned it well enough to drive fine in traffic) that mostly had NA 4 bangers...your plan wouldn't be that much of a bad idea. You already got the Quiafe LSD and Ragnorak street cams (Piper Stage 2) for a midrange bump, go with a GT30 series turbo and have a crazy-usable powerband.

Oh, and lets meet up and let me have a ride in your Celica before you we don't see it for another year! :laugh:

chrissi24

10-08-2008, 02:02 PM

I thought about this about a year and a half ago. Met a guy with a twin-charged Cobalt who was puttin down some crazy number. He loved it, but it was not all that efficient. At first he would praise the setup then after a while he finally got rid of the SC and went all turbo. Then got rid of the car. I was kinda soured on the whole idea. But would love to see someone attempt to do it! :)

Entranced

10-08-2008, 03:39 PM

the reason it's cool has been discussed. it's a great concept as it demonstrates a full range of power increase.

With the proper turbo, however.. it's a bit overkill.

to make it more efficient, i'd say have it hold a monster turbo on the back... say a large GT35.

I'm just curious as to how it'd work once the turbo took over and the supercharger became an air restriction....

RTZCeli

10-08-2008, 07:48 PM

Make history. Do it.

SleeprGT

10-08-2008, 08:04 PM

02celica

10-08-2008, 08:09 PM

I think just a single turbo kit would be better for the car, don't they do that with the twin turbo Supras? Make them one single turbo to get more power.

Well if you do it, it will surely be the first, I would look into getting a different MAF though, I think Smaay used a MAF off a WRX or something.
And yes your tranny will die under that much raw powa.

They single them to get more power over stock but then they twin them to get more power over single. their stock TT are very small compared to regular turbos.

and if his tranny is built it shouldnt.

enjoi4586

10-09-2008, 07:34 PM

To be as realistic as possible with your build, how much money do you have at your disposal for this?

SleeprGT

10-10-2008, 06:48 AM

WHat he needs to do, is BUY SEXKITTENS used "DA SPORTS TURBO KIT" listed in the for sale section.

That kid would be so easy to use on a twin charge set up, it comes in many little pipe pieces, you can replace on of them to make some sort of duel inlet for the intake.

You know the blitz intercooler is small right? You may be able to run 2 intercoolers.

yakboyslim

10-10-2008, 08:04 AM

Why two intercoolers and not one big one?

I'm just curious as to how it'd work once the turbo took over and the supercharger became an air restriction....

Yeah, it's a fun idea but it seems like there would have to be a good bit of fancy valves and clutches to make it better than a properly sized turbo. I don't know though.

GTsRasta

10-10-2008, 08:50 AM

To be as realistic as possible with your build, how much money do you have at your disposal for this?

Just to put it into perspective...the guy was considering picking up an R8...or maybe even a Lambo one day...and might still be.

enjoi4586

10-10-2008, 10:52 AM

Just to put it into perspective...the guy was considering picking up an R8...or maybe even a Lambo one day...and might still be.

Damn

the ronin

10-10-2008, 11:53 AM

Just to put it into perspective...the guy was considering picking up an R8...or maybe even a Lambo one day...and might still be.

So was I but I'm just not that strong........:eek:

GTsRasta

10-11-2008, 03:22 PM

:chuckles:

Here's his mod list for reference as of 2007:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9040/img1985qb7.jpg

I don't think much has changed internals wise.

Jlane01

10-11-2008, 03:33 PM

what does this guy do for a living?

lpphreakx06

10-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Seems plausible.

the ronin

10-11-2008, 05:49 PM

You guys make me laugh.."Show"...WTF.. this is the mac daddy of all twin setups, the meanest moph on the planet...... The Lancia Delta S4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTIKUYMlhoo&feature=related

rice may be nice but pasta rules..:AF:

jlitman

10-11-2008, 06:31 PM

No one ever searches around here...

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4290019&postcount=25

h8eternal

10-11-2008, 07:10 PM

what does this guy do for a living?

ask GTSRasta

the ronin

10-11-2008, 08:07 PM

No one ever searches around here...

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4290019&postcount=25

I thought about doing it but hell look at the responce from this oversized GTK 450......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhPHJTmGnGc
Oh yeah it's not a 'Show Car"....:ban:

2000TRDSC

10-11-2008, 09:05 PM

Id like to think my car is show and go.. But that is a matter of opinion I find. I love my setup now... I run a photohgraphy business in NYC.
www.artphotographers.net
I am gonna build a second Block that I have with the turbo set up. Fabricate the pipes in the right places, then swap it over to my car with hopefully little trouble. Tune it!!! Alot!!! My hopes is 420 HP on natural gas. I am hoping the turbo comes in at about 5500-6000 RPM. You can set the Blitz kit to run harder off the line, which in turn lowers the boost a bit in the high end. Thats where the turbo's boost will need take over.
Wish me luck!
Thanks Cam

GTsRasta

10-11-2008, 10:10 PM

No problem. I wasn't sure how much info I should have said about you and your car, and what you want to leave personal.

But hey, as soon as Luis (matadorgts) fixes his tire, I'll be starting my parts swap process too, but until then, I HAVE to get a ride in your car before it goes for the said build and I'm left to only having public transportation for a few months :wtc: .

Within that Alamo motorsports build, they first got just a supercharger tune, then went for the turbocharger tune with the custom turbo kit in the vehicle before sticking both in and doing the tune for both. I think nailing down the fuel curves and ignition timing for both ends of the rpm scale for each power adder, and adjusting accordingly for the combination would be a good way to go too, just like how they did it.

Oh...and I almost forgot...not only is his GTS a show car...as he said...he likes to "go" too...as if the speed bug on his back was the size of a damn person. :laugh: Also, his mechanic, who I last heard works the next town over from where I live, works VERY slowly and methodically, but is pretty well versed in the 2zz, so don't expect this project to turn around in the small time that ronin's car does! haha.

Oh...and if you're ever thinking about selling your first built block...or want to sell it off in parts...shot dibs on it...or at least your built head + ragnorak cam (piper stage 2) setup :D .

DANZZT231

10-11-2008, 10:11 PM

GTsRasta

10-11-2008, 10:17 PM

He has the Blitz supercharger on a built block:

http://partscatalog.newcelica.org/images/products/blitzsupercharger.gif

Not the greddy supercharger.

DANZZT231

10-11-2008, 10:25 PM

Sorry, I meant, for those who have greddy s/c as someone mentioned it above.

GTsRasta

10-11-2008, 10:37 PM

Oh I get you.

Yea, that could work as well too, but in that situation, intercooler choice would be key IMO, along with piping. That eaton unit generates some heat...and it's right before the engine too...so the cool air from the turbo intercooler is just going to get heated up again before entering the engine from the supercharger...egh...

DANZZT231

10-11-2008, 10:58 PM

Dang.

ALright, no more side tracking.

Go twin charger!

jlitman

10-11-2008, 11:15 PM

If a car is equipped with the greddy s/c, dont' that mean it will help spool the turbo faster through the exhaust gas?

The air flow would be:
Greddy - engine - exhaust - turbo - intercooler - greddy - engine.

Just a thought I had, not sure if its right though.
The major advantage is that you get a S/C's boost right off idle with the significantly higher top end of a turbo. The trick is to have it set up so that just as the blower is running out of steam, the turbo is ready to take over with zero lag.

It's the same principle as a twin turbo system, except that with the S/C you should have an even broader powerband.

Good luck fitting it all under the hood...

hotshot2101

10-12-2008, 12:48 AM

Good luck fitting it all under the hood...
he can always leave the hood off its the engine bay that he is gonna have a problem with

DANZZT231

10-12-2008, 02:28 AM

the Brashboy setup is for RHD also which normally present issue of turbo location. So if it can fit into JDM model, this dual charger should have no problems in the USDM celica.

logic77

10-12-2008, 11:17 AM

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/logic777/2zztwin.jpg

CryogenicBoost

10-17-2008, 04:15 PM

if you really want to waste your money on somthing like that after uve already went through the net cost of adding forced induction your better off doing it on a k20 atleast your block wont grenade rods through your block as fast, but hey, whatever you decide, might as well have some fun with it, good luck..