what to do on a gt-s to be equivalent to a type r

[gamota]

I know that Type R is design with racing specifications but GT-S is not. I saw many magazines giving type R better track performance and acceleration. So a GT-S with an Intake and lower suspension will have the same performance as a stock type R? Or do you need something more?

[AaronGTS]

certainly need a LSD too

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

LSD and Suspension thats it.

[GTS LAID]

and a little more power

[Unison8]

Yeah Helical LSD.

[Chui]

All of those sound good, but you'll need stickier tires as well. That should about do it.

[Da Kine Guy]

Don't forget the sticker guys :nono:

http://www.stickercity.com/ShopKeeper2/products/pics/hon21.jpg

[billybrun]

Make it heavier.

[Maelfyn]

LSD would be the biggest thing in my book.

[GTS LAID]

Originally posted by billybrun
Make it heavier.

lol.. ur gonna eat **** for that one from yakko... /lol

[pinoyracer]

One answer, good and better driver

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by pinoyracer
One answer, good and better driver :stupid:

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by billybrun
Make it heavier. =D where have you been! so you gonna get into 13s anytime soon?

[pinoyracer]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid23/p3aedcfcc0f396ad93d277ef84193615f/fd9c226f.jpg

[z6joker9]

HAHAHA

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by pinoyracer
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid23/p3aedcfcc0f396ad93d277ef84193615f/fd9c226f.jpg didny larr post that a while ago?

[larryd]

ALRIGHT.. its my pic.. I knew it would surface again eventually :)

[Maelfyn]

Larry that photoshop job is awful! Those lines all over the place look like teh crap!

[larryd]

;)

[autxr]

I like billybrun's answer.

My feeling, if you look at the numbers, all the Celica needs to keep up with a Type R is a LSD.

We already out slalom and out brake the Type R. A stock R has a slight advantage in acceleration than a stock GTS, but in the handling department? We are already there.

Scott

[Chui]

Slalom is only one small part of many in that elusive thing we call "handling" as you know, autxr. The chassis isn't quite as well balanced and I don't have a simple answer for that as so much is involved in it. And the GT-S will "outbrake" an ITR for only a lap at Waterford Hills on stock pads. The brakes soon fade. Let's not mention the faux pas and Achilles heel of the GT-S, either: the gear ratios and power delivery. Then there are the stock suspension setup which allows the car to transition too much weight on the outside front corner. This is great for slaloming, but on an open track it will exacerbate the lack of a limited-slip diff.

The Celica is a great car, no doubt, but it's not at home on an open track. Well, that's not quite true, but it's definitely not better than an ITR at it. Nor is it very close, either.

[twanmoney]

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[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by billybrun
Make it heavier.
Huh? We've determined that the GTS and Type R weigh pretty much the same when you compare them on a scale...

[yakkosmurf]

I agree with Chui's comments. I'd also add that the GTS has more body roll, which I didn't like. A thicker rear sway bar should take care of that. I also found the chassis of the GTS didn't seem as stiff. Some extra bracing should take care of that. I also drove a GTS with the stock tires, and I think the Type R has an advantage there. But once again, an easy upgrade. The LSD was also a big factor in my comparisons of the two cars. Even after adding I/E to the GTS, it still didn't perform for me on the road course as well. The narrower powerband of the GTS, I found frustrating. Those are just my thoughts.

[HilfigerCelica]

A Hotchkis TVS suspension, LSD and I/E should do the trick.

[Chui]

Not too familiar with Hotchkiss' modifications. Don't know if you'd end up with a bone jarring ride. The ITR is suprisingly supple for such a narrow-focused car. This is especially so with the wheel/tire combo I run: 15x7" Kosei K-1 Racing wheels with 205/50-ZR-15 Bridgestone S03 Pole Positions. I HIGHLY recommend this set up for ALL Integras and Celicas.

[NSX_GTR_LM]

Originally posted by Chui
Not too familiar with Hotchkiss' modifications. Don't know if you'd end up with a bone jarring ride. The ITR is suprisingly supple for such a narrow-focused car. This is especially so with the wheel/tire combo I run: 15x7" Kosei K-1 Racing wheels with 205/50-ZR-15 Bridgestone S03 Pole Positions. I HIGHLY recommend this set up for ALL Integras and Celicas.

the only problem is that that throws the speedo off by about 5 percent. Not too bad if you dont care about that, but if you ever want to trade the car in, it will look like you have more miles than you actually do. On the other hand, i do agree that it is definitely the best setup for any integra, much better than the 195/55 stock tire size.

[LEDmod]

Does ITR has LSD standard??

[gts24]

Originally posted by Dooly
Does ITR has LSD standard??

yes it does

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui
Not too familiar with Hotchkiss' modifications. Don't know if you'd end up with a bone jarring ride. The ITR is suprisingly supple for such a narrow-focused car. This is especially so with the wheel/tire combo I run: 15x7" Kosei K-1 Racing wheels with 205/50-ZR-15 Bridgestone S03 Pole Positions. I HIGHLY recommend this set up for ALL Integras and Celicas.
I was surprised the ITR's ride too. It's about the same as my friend's GTS when he added the Eibach springs to it. The ITR still felt a little more harsh, but it seemed to be because the chassis was more solid.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Dooly
Does ITR has LSD standard??
Any car serious about racing does...

[8400rpm]

A bigger rear sway bar would also help..

[BoyRacer]

this is a semi newbie thread, no offence. two different cars dude this is apples and oranges. theres so much hype around the type-r, is it the stickers?

[Chui]

Originally posted by BoyRacer
this is a semi newbie thread, no offence. two different cars dude this is apples and oranges. theres so much hype around the type-r, is it the stickers?

Well, a fool when silent is considered wise... Actually, it's about the only car that one can afford that was designed to be raced on the weekends. SUPPOSEDLY, the car's entire development was done at Honda's race track. It's been lauded as the best-handling FWD car ever by the Euro press and will embarass many more expensive sports cars on a race course. Then, you can drive it daily if you choose. It's a pretty remarkable car.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by BoyRacer
this is a semi newbie thread, no offence. two different cars dude this is apples and oranges. theres so much hype around the type-r, is it the stickers?
Thanks for letting everyone know you haven't driven one...

[billybrun]

Hey yakkosmurf, it was just a smart comment, don't take it seriuos.

[mirconrice]

Originally posted by pinoyracer
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid23/p3aedcfcc0f396ad93d277ef84193615f/fd9c226f.jpg

hey i did that to a couple of type R around the bay and the central valley, :) i have driven both cars. I like them both...LSD sure feels nice in the type R and the gearing. Those 2 are a good plus for the average driver...i mean not anyone can hop into the celica and drive it to its potential whereas the type R you can drive it to its potential with any driver. By potential i mean keeping it in 2nd cam. After driving my friend's celica with the trd helical lsd, i want one so bad....i'll get it eventually...all in due time. Take it easy everyone. lates

[Chui]

Well, I don't think "any driver" can fully exploit either car to its fullest. But the LSD sure helps powering out of tight corners and/or wet corners. Better hold onto the steering wheel, however.

[Lava's GTS]

My .02
Best FWD car ever is...
The ITR
A not so distant second...
Celica GT-S
The bronze goes to...
Prelude

Just my opinion after driving the Prelude and ITR, and owning the Celica