View Full Version : Skunk2 Coilovers Or Eibach Lowering Springs? HELP!
hey guys, im on the verge of buying either 1 of them, but im not sure, i know lowering springs i'll have to have shocks attached to them, and coilovers already have them :S smoeone please clarify and what to advice ! i want a good smooth ride with a nice drop, have good performance, and not spend so much money on shocks ( planning to buy not so expensive shocks ) which 1 do u guys recommend? which is better in specs?
Thanks alot for your time!
the skunk2 coilovers are sleeves and don't come with shocks. You basically use the sleeve and make your own. From what you are saying GR2's and the eibach's would be your best best.
whats the GR2's? i also found 2 members selling Tanabe Precedeo purple springs, and Tien H-Tech, which 1 do u guys recommend?
celicarace
12-26-2008, 11:33 PM
Skunk 2 coil kit ftw!
XBernie
12-27-2008, 12:14 AM
Gr-2's are shocks and struts made by KYB. How much do you want to drop your car? If you want a smooth ride with a nice drop and performance but dont want to buy shocks go with Tein S.Techs or H.techs,or Eibach Pros. You should be able to ride on those with stock shocks for a long time before replacing them.
xbcyl
12-27-2008, 02:20 AM
i just know if u only use the skunk2 or ground control coilover to drop your car u will break ur stock shocks for soon....
i ever put the gc one, and my shocks gonna broke after 1 week....so go for the lowering springs
XBernie
12-27-2008, 05:15 PM
^Not necessarily, I had a talk with Soo_Fuego about his suspension setup not to long ago and he runs on Skunk2 coilovers lowered to the full 3" on stock shocks and he says its not as bad as everyone thinks.
meh...it's all about how much you can tolerate as far as suspensions go. I am sure if you pulled his stock shocks they will have no rebound left in them. I had lowering shocks in my old silverado and was only lowered 2/4" and when I took them off to bag it the shocks were WAAAAAAAY gone but I didn't notice a difference. Some people just arn't bothered by a harsh ride.
hmmm, i heard alot of negative things about the Coilovers, i have found 3 or 4 different types:
1. eibach sportlines springs
2. tien H springs
3. and those purple springs, i forgot what they're called, i found 2 sets, they all all going for rougly 100 shipped
which would u guys recommend to take? and yeah im going to use stock shocks cause i've spent way 2 much money already :P lol
thanks for the reply's, just need 1 more reply then i'd b ready 2 make a payment.
P.S, i want like 2 minimize that gap between the wheel and the fenders, but not to the point where the car is too low :)
have a nice drop, smooth ride, and some good handling, which would be best for me as described ?
thanks again guys!
The purple is intrax. I had them on my Escape. The Intrax won't lower you that much but they are progressive springs so the harder you turn into the corner the stiffer they get but just DD them they are OK. The Tien H's would be your best bet, they lower the car but you can still run a GR2 or AGX shock with them. I have heard problems with sagging of the Tien springs though. The sportlines lower you a LOT but the problem comes that only the Koni Yellows can hold up to that kind of drop. It's an expensive option and the Yellows are just inserts.
Honestly I would just spend a few dollars more and get the Tien basic coilovers. They can be had for around $850 new and will drop you very well and the shocks will handle the drop. a lot of closing the fender gap is tire/wheel size.
celicarace
12-28-2008, 10:42 AM
It depends what kind of shocks you're using with the Skunk 2 Coil kit. If you're smart, then the Skunk 2's wouldn't be a problem.
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 07:10 PM
meh...it's all about how much you can tolerate as far as suspensions go. I am sure if you pulled his stock shocks they will have no rebound left in them. I had lowering shocks in my old silverado and was only lowered 2/4" and when I took them off to bag it the shocks were WAAAAAAAY gone but I didn't notice a difference. Some people just arn't bothered by a harsh ride.
i did just pull them off, about a month ago and they rebound ALL the way out, ive had them for 3yrs now also, and the celica is my dd so im more concerned about ride quality (plus slammed look) than performance, so this is the reason i still have run them and stock shocks, they do ride smooth just hit bumpstops easily ............................. if it matters, DANNYSGTCEL (track prepped gt on tein ssp with swift springs ,etc etc) & CID (full hotchkis suspension with agx) have both told me that it does ride smooth
celicarace
12-28-2008, 08:36 PM
track prepped gt
Mine is too. AGX + Skunk 2 kit.
celica651
12-28-2008, 09:24 PM
Gr-2's are shocks and struts made by KYB. How much do you want to drop your car? If you want a smooth ride with a nice drop and performance but dont want to buy shocks go with Tein S.Techs or H.techs,or Eibach Pros. You should be able to ride on those with stock shocks for a long time before replacing them.
KYB Gr-2's with Eibach Pros goes well together...
dang lol this stuff sounds expensive :S i was just thinking of getting either those Tien's, or the eibach bro's, or those purple one's and just take off the stock springs and run them with stock shocks :S .. will that work or will be too bad \ too uncomfy \ etc? im not looking to spend so much on suspension :S just thought that u only had 2 take out the stock springs, put in the new 1's preferebly with new shocks, or keep the stock, do an alighnment, and ur done.. it isn't like that?
someone please clarify .. lol
no you take out all four springs, two front two rear and replace the springs, you should replace the shocks with something that will help with the drop. Than an alignment and camber bolts in the front. Also there is the rear UCA that's adjustable that helps camber in the rear.
i did just pull them off, about a month ago and they rebound ALL the way out, ive had them for 3yrs now also, and the celica is my dd so im more concerned about ride quality (plus slammed look) than performance, so this is the reason i still have run them and stock shocks, they do ride smooth just hit bumpstops easily.
That's amazing, I had my Hotchkis springs on stock shocks for maybe a month before they went.
celica651
12-28-2008, 10:31 PM
That's amazing, I had my Hotchkis springs on stock shocks for maybe a month before they went.
so xero... does KYB GR-2's and Eibach Pro goes well together?
D.R.E.A.M
12-28-2008, 10:32 PM
here buddy this should cover most of your questions
1. http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=232289
this has the spring rates for every almost all springs made for the celica, the higher the spring rate the "firmer" the ride will be, not a terrible difference between all the springs but here you go, fyi is one spring is 200lbs and another is 250lbs are you honestly gonna tell the difference? most likely not, so dont break your brain on this matter
2. know how big of a drop you want and look for a spring that has that, then compare the spring rates, your gonna have to compromise a bit, you said you wanted "a good smooth ride & have good performance" well a smooth ride requires a softer spring rate, but a softer spring rate has more body roll and so forth so the performance isnt as good as a higher spring rate
3. nothing wrong with stock shocks, the celica performed better than most fwd cars anyways so running stock shocks isnt to bad of a thing, but if and when you install you springs you notice they are blown replace them (with whatever you choose) dont ride on blown shocks:thumbdown
4. spring swap is pretty straight forward go on the INSTALLS section of the forum, theres some how-to on there, and also read up on the rear camber bolt adjustment on there
5. every time you take off a shock its best to do an aligment, so you removing the strut/shocks + lowering springs = new aligment, and if youve noticed the celica has alot of negative camber in the rear from the factory, so a drop really adds more, lucky theres a way to adjust it without a camber kit, read up on it and go look at it under your car, so when you go get an alignment you can point it out to the tech since its not to common for cars to have that and he may over look it and tell you they cant fix the rear camber :nono:
g-luck
a month !!! and if i put kyb's? how long will those last?
what do u mean by UCA?
alright so i found KYB GR2's, a whole set for around 300 shipped from ebay, set of 4, how will these work and hold up with lets say with eibach sportlines, i think im sure on buying those KYB's, i dont think they are adjustable tho.. is that ok? which would b out of these springs to use on with it, Eibach Sportlines, Hotchkis Springs, Tien H Springs, or Tanabe Precedeo, and it doesnt matter what camber kit i use for the front regardless of what type of spring \ shock right?
That's the last questin i'll be asking, thanks everyone for all the help, apretiate it
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 10:41 PM
Than an alignment and camber bolts in the front. Also there is the rear UCA that's adjustable that helps camber in the rear.
yeah that rear camber bolt is a life saver, and i dont run camber bolts in the front and a regular alignment fixed my camber, didnt really change in the front, must be the way out suspension is designed:shrugs: ............. and im tuckin the 18s all around and my tires wear evenly, i can take pics to prove it:gap: so if i can get a good alignment with out a camber kit then everybody should also (unless ur cars are crashed or somehting)
That's amazing, I had my Hotchkis springs on stock shocks for maybe a month before they went.
i was surprised also:AF: ............ but im not dumb i know my fronts may not last to much more, so maybe some time this year ill replace them, with oem of course:wiggle:
so xero... does KYB GR-2's and Eibach Pro goes well together?should be good
soo fuego, thanks for the info too.
doing an alignment can be done at any mechanic? and how can u notice if it needs to be aligned? does it take time to show if it's not aligned or as soon as u install everything, put the wheels back on and see it tilted from 1 side?
GR2's and pro's would run good IMO. yea I went lazy and didn't get an alignment...but I didn't have a camber problem in the front just the rear but the eccentric bolts in the rear stock got a lot of help from me. I went ahead and got the Hotchkis UCA though for more adjustability. UCA is Upper Control Arm. That is your hatchet and it get's me in the ballpark the eccentric bolt fine tunes everything for me.
I think my stock shocks were on the way out. They had 88K miles on the on all gravel roads before i got the car (it was tore up when I got it.) and me dropping them didn't help much. And ways, they rode fine since I do ALL highway driving but died after a month. I didn't really mind the harsh rid though since the ES motor mount inserts made everything vibrate...I loved the harsh racecar feel IMO.
Alignment will be noticed immediatly and not every mechanic has the tools for it. Go to a wheel and tire shop and have it done there. they L=laser align everything.
alright, found 2 types of shocks\struts
1. Tokico HP shocks\struts
2. KYB GR2's
which 1 would go best with which lowering kit? Eibach, Tien H, Hotchkis or tanabe's?? :) lol
im ready 2 buy somethin now!!!
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 10:52 PM
a month !!! and if i put kyb's? how long will those last?
what do u mean by UCA?
alright so i found KYB GR2's, a whole set for around 300 shipped from ebay, set of 4, how will these work and hold up with lets say with eibach sportlines, i think im sure on buying those KYB's, i dont think they are adjustable tho.. is that ok? which would b out of these springs to use on with it, Eibach Sportlines, Hotchkis Springs, Tien H Springs, or Tanabe Precedeo, and it doesnt matter what camber kit i use for the front regardless of what type of spring \ shock right?
That's the last questin i'll be asking, thanks everyone for all the help, apretiate it
kyb is a good brand, should last a couple of years at least
UCA hes referring to this ..... click me (http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158009)
shock life is reduced by bottoming out constantly, to the lower u go the less shock travel u have, with less shock travel u bottom out easier, so the lower u go the shofter shock life u will have, sportlines are some of the lower spring for us but are great quality, hotchkis suspension pieces are great, h-techs wont drop too much but offer a smoother ride, precedeo i dont know to much myself so ill stay quiet on that:chuckles:
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 10:59 PM
I think my stock shocks were on the way out. They had 88K miles on the on all gravel roads before i got the car (it was tore up when I got it.) and me dropping them didn't help much. And ways, they rode fine since I do ALL highway driving but died after a month. I didn't really mind the harsh rid though since the ES motor mount inserts made everything vibrate...I loved the harsh racecar feel IMO.
yea u know ive noticed that ppl say that at around those miles they blow, my sis gt (90k) are starting to go out so i believe it
Alignment will be noticed immediatly and not every mechanic has the tools for it. Go to a wheel and tire shop and have it done there. they L=laser align everything.
yea its done with lasers n such, even if ur off by 1 degree (which is pretty much hard to see to the naked eye) that can really do some work on ur tires ..... n not in good way:AF:
alright, found 2 types of shocks\struts
1. Tokico HP shocks\struts
2. KYB GR2's
which 1 would go best with which lowering kit? Eibach, Tien H, Hotchkis or tanabe's?? :) lol
im ready 2 buy somethin now!!!
both of those two shocks are comparable, id get which ever is less expensive:shrugs:
and those spring are like comparing apples to oranges, one has a nice drop, the other is more performance oriented, then not low but rides smooth .............. what exactly r u lookin for???????????????
lol, ok, im looking for a nice drop, better handling, but dont want to be bounced up like crazy ...
which 1 would u buy :
Eibach sportlines = $100 shipped
Hotchkis = $160 for full assembly?
Tanabe Precedio = $100 Shipped
Tien H = $100 shipped
See what im trying to do :S they are all very very close in prices, regarding the Shocks, either KYB GR2's $250 + shipping, or Tokico HP = $278 shipped
if this was ur car, and u want a nice drop, not toooo low, with some good performance and handling, and not very bouncy, which would u take? :D hope that makes it a little clearer..
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 11:31 PM
umm well h-techs would be out of the question for me personally because they dont drop alot
like i said i dont know to much about the precedios but i think they are the same or similar to the tanabe df210, so im basing my decision on them being similar, ur job to double check the precedio/df210 specs
lowest
tanabe
sportline
hotchkis
smoothest
sportline
tanabe
hotchkis
performance
hotchkis
tanabe
sportline
the drop, ride & performance isnt to big of a difference between them all, but overall the sportline is good imo ................ hope that helps
thanks alot :) going to order them now :))
have a nice holiday everyone !!
Soo__Fuego
12-28-2008, 11:36 PM
no prob but dont u wanna see what other ppl say theyd get and y? u know just in case:chuckles: i dont want u making a decision u regret later and blame me:laugh:
no buddy, just new 2 modding n stuff, saw that there's a big gap between the tire and the fenders, so wanted 2 do a suspension setup, i already got Injen Cai, TRD Full exhaust system, getting lowering now, and i have left to get hotshot header ! :D then i'll b done for a while and just need 2 body kit it, paint interior and exhaust :D
but from the description i gave u about what im looking 4, not very very low that it would get my car underneath scratched up at small bumps, with not that much bouncing around, and a good ride with good performance and handling >> Eibach Sportlines and KYB's ? :)
vertgst
12-29-2008, 12:26 AM
Or you can do it properly and change the shocks along with springs or coilovers.
im planning to change the shocks and the springs all together at once :) since im gonna be paying for installing them ( dont have a clue on how 2 install suspension, not have the tools ) and allignment, so might aswell do it correct the first time.
what do u think of the setup regarding the things im expecting from the setup?
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