Celicasaur's winter mod thread

[zzt231 gr]

yup thats their oem spoiler

It's the pre f/l model.

[Celicasaur]

Looks Excellent Rana! Mashalla! i hope it's ready when i pop by Heathrow.

hehe, thankyou sir :) but yeah no, sadly it wont be ready anytime soon. my gf birthday is coming up and i still need to order new valves :(

you need BAT's overlay's ASAP!!

and what wing is that??!

Thing is, that would make it look 'too' extreme and borderline rice (ok, it's kinda rice already, but mieh). In actual fact, I used to have painted innards on the headlamps before but I swapped them for some stock ones and kinda prefer it tbh. I think I'll get the oem eyelids and call it a day. Best case scenario I'd have it painted on in exactly the same way that bt216 has his lights done, but I'm not that much of a baller :hitit:

did you use a spray gun to paint it? that looks really good for a diy.

Weird, but here goes.

Priming was with cans.

Matt black was done with a gun.

The I changed my mind and did it with cans, which is what you see in this picture above. I'm really happy with the finish from damn cans, lol. car looks pretty much like new.

Not bad, not bad at all. I see the chickenpower thing stuck. :chuckles:

I will bring it up in threads also when my car get's dyno'd on the pfc and when I most likely set a euro record for an N/A celica at the strip :chuckles:

It's the pre f/l model.

funnily enough, the one you're thinking of (not my spoiler but the 'facelift' one) is a special option over here, whilst the spoiler that I have is pretty much a normal option with all year celica's here :)

[Entranced]

Best case scenario I'd have it painted on in exactly the same way that bt216 has his lights done, but I'm not that much of a baller

Wouldnt we all!! :jerkoff:


I think they look sexy, especially on a black car. I just recently put mine on and it makes the car look 100x better. it removes the white sheen the headlights give off and gives it a dark look.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs165.snc1/6176_138611677624_502912624_2983867_1254424_n.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs165.snc1/6176_138611622624_502912624_2983859_3060267_n.jpg

food for thought. :gap:

[celica_2nr]

Weird, but here goes.

Priming was with cans.

Matt black was done with a gun.

The I changed my mind and did it with cans, which is what you see in this picture above. I'm really happy with the finish from damn cans, lol. car looks pretty much like new.
holy crap! thats from a spray can? i guess you did a lot of wetsanding to make the paint look good. that looks real good man. my friend spray painted his civic and it looks nowhere near as good as your paint job.

[03GTSTRD]

holy crap! thats from a spray can? i guess you did a lot of wetsanding to make the paint look good. that looks real good man. my friend spray painted his civic and it looks nowhere near as good as your paint job.

It's all in the prep work bro. If you do the proper prep work and do light even coats it can look great from a can. It also takes some finish work as well like wetsanding and buffing to get it near perfect. You know what I have done with a can before.

Nice job Celicasaur!:thumbup:

[celica_2nr]

It's all in the prep work bro. If you do the proper prep work and do light even coats it can look great from a can. It also takes some finish work as well like wetsanding and buffing to get it near perfect. You know what I have done with a can before.
yeah my friend did a good job and his car looks so much better than before but this paint job looks likes it was professionally done.

[Celicasaur]

Thanks for the nice words guys ^^^ :)

Ok, so I've stripped the middle/rear of the car now and all that's left to do is remove sound deadening and then replace glass with lexan (yes, I still have not done this yet :o: )

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/07082009434.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/07082009435.jpg

Anyone ever used lexan for these quarter windows before? :shrugs: It appears as though the black surround that you see from the outside of the car is actually one piece with the glass :eek: so um....hmm...once I remove the glass/plastic surround, I'll have to get the glass cut out and then have the lexan glued in or something? :shrugs:

The rear hatch window seems pretty simple, but I'm just holding off until I'm certain that I wont get a carbon hatch...

[Entranced]

The rear hatch window seems pretty simple, but I'm just holding off until I'm certain that I wont get a carbon hatch...

You mean to tell me that your doing all of this weight reduction but your not getting a CF hatch?? That's like, 100 chickenpower your missing out on!!

[GSBoek]

Dang Rana, do you really need to replace the 1/4 windows too. I'd save myself the trouble for those. :D

[vegeta4ss]

I think you should avoid the lexan triangle windows. The glass and plastic are molded together at a high temp. Even if you manage to rip the glass out without destroying the plastic trim you then have to find a very secure method of reattaching the lexan.

It would be nice if someone made a full replacement though for this purpose

[Celicasaur]

You mean to tell me that your doing all of this weight reduction but your not getting a CF hatch?? That's like, 100 chickenpower your missing out on!!

I knowwwww and I'd love yo get one, but I can't justify the money that we'd pay for one here in the uk for one (

[Entranced]

[quote=Celicasaur;4776510]I knowwwww and I'd love yo get one, but I can't justify the money that we'd pay for one here in the uk for one (

[zzt231 gr]

^ I'm with him!;)

[Celicasaur]

We'll see about the DD IM. IMO it's too expensive esp for UK folk and I'm meant to stop spending money on the car anyway bro. If I can't hit a 13.3 or lower with my N/A set up, then I may consider the IM for next spring. I'm pretty sure I will hit low 13's though and low 12's on nitrous and that's the overall goal for the car :)

Oh and for nitrous, I'm going to be connecting it to a mini fuel tank in the trunk :gap: I'll keep you updated about this in the weeks/months to come. The entire car should be 110% finished by November so there is some light now at the end of the tunnel :o:

[celica_2nr]

The entire car should be 110% finished by November so there is some light now at the end of the tunnel
:headbang: btw where did you get your rotors?

[Celicasaur]

I got the fronts at a bargain price from some guy on ebay who was selling a new and sealed set for like, two thirds of the retail price so I got them off him, but the rear rotors were from a vendor on the uk celica-club. I think it was like...

[Entranced]

high 12's? pshhh... shoot for low 12's with the DD and nitrous :gap:

[farhanali89]

Saw the car a while back bro its looking ace. The paint looks mean! And damn i want your wheels!

[Celicasaur]

high 12's? pshhh... shoot for low 12's with the DD and nitrous :gap:

Hehe, yeah that's the plan bro...low 12's....if I can't achieve that with the nitrous system, then I'll have to go for boost next spring and perhaps not buy a second car :shrugs:

Saw the car a while back bro its looking ace. The paint looks mean! And damn i want your wheels!

Awww hey man, glad to see you found me on here!! Thanks buddy, yeah I think it looks really good too and I'm very pleased with how it's turning out...these are the latest pics from today. This side of the car is officially done (albeit still havnt finished the sideskirts yet :o:)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/15082009438.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/15082009439.jpg

I'm still in some kind of disbelief that I've managed a finish so good with spray cans :AF:

But anyway, more importantly....

Sound deadening is coming out tomorrow from the trunk, rear seats and possibly under the carpet if I can be bothered...but we'll have to see for the last one.

Also, I'm contemplating having the spare tyre well chopped out from the boot and then having a thin metal sheet welded to cover the hole...can somebody tell me how bad of an idea this is for the structural rigidity in a street car please? Good for loosing some heavy metal weight...but possibly might gain some flex in the rear and be weakened in the event of a rear collision...what do we think on this? :shrugs:

For anyone wondering why I haven't fitted the lexan yet, it's because I'm still debating whether to get a carbon hatch or not...

I've given myself a deadline now to get it on the road by the first week of september and then HOPEFULLY tuned at some point IN september. I must be the laziest person around with a built celica :piss:

[Entranced]

only 2 lugs on the wheel? confused at that one sir. :gap:


oh, and make sure you get that bad boy aligned once it's road worthy!! wouldn't want that camber chewing your super soft tires away any faster than they will already be going.

[Celicasaur]

only 2 lugs on the wheel? confused at that one sir. :gap:

I can explain :o:

Basically, for a long time during this whole episode I've been jacking the car off and taking the wheels off etc to get under the car or blah blah blah and so I would just use a couple lugs to attatch the wheel when the car was lowered again, so that the next time I lift it up, there's minimal lugs to remove :o: Don't worry, next month on the road I'll have them all fastened on :o:


oh, and make sure you get that bad boy aligned once it's road worthy!! wouldn't want that camber chewing your super soft tires away any faster than they will already be going.

Yep yep, for sure. If anything I just don't want any camber because of the marginal amount that it'll slow me down from 60mph+ :gap:

[celica_2nr]

im going to attempt to spray paint my hood. ill see if i like how it turns out. hopefully itll turn out as good as yours.

[Celicasaur]

im going to attempt to spray paint my hood. ill see if i like how it turns out. hopefully itll turn out as good as yours.

My advice would be:

If it's already smooth without many stone chips, then jsut spray right on top of it. If you have lots of stone chips/imperfections, you'll need to spend around 2-3 hours just rubbing down the entire hood till it's so smooth that when you pour water on it, the water just sits on top like a thin film.

When spraying, spray heavy, albeit in small increments so it can dry off between coats. Aim for like.....6-8 coats, depending on how well it's going.

When rubbing it down. Use 2000 grit, but have that pre-soaked for about 15 minutes in warm water, so it's not too harsh on what you've just painted (btw you need to let the paint marinate on the hood for at least a few days to harden before rubbing down)

It'll eventually turn into a smooth/silky, but dulll surface (so if you're painting it red for your car, then it'll be a pinky red). Once you've smoothed it to the max by going up to 2500 or even 3000 grade paper, then you can use the T-Cut (use the red one) and give it a good once over...with a bit of luck, it'll look as perfect as this:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/16082009442.jpg

If you look at the rear bumper, that's what I meant by the 'faded' colour once sanded down:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/16082009443.jpg

But I still have loads more sanding to do on that bit to get it ready for T-Cut and then polish. Copious amounts of polishing after it's done will build up and protect the paint. If you want, you can laquer afterwards, but of course you'll need to give that another once over with the sanding down like how you just did :)

Good luck and keep us updated.

Another 5 days of work from tomorrow now, but I'll try in the evenings to make progress on the rear bumper/tailgate and roof, before turning my attention to the sound deadening inside and...ahem... :o:

[celica_2nr]

how did you fill in the area where the emblem goes on the front bumper?

[blacktsport]

Great work Rana, that finish is pukka to say it come from a can :eek: well done bud! :thumbup: fella

[Celicasaur]

how did you fill in the area where the emblem goes on the front bumper?

Just some simple automotive body filler...from the back, use some duct tape to create and fall back for the filler, but once it's set and you've rubbed it down, it should be fine..I did mine approx 3 years ago and it's still held up fine :)

Great work Rana, that finish is pukka to say it come from a can :eek: well done bud! :thumbup: fella

Hehe, thankyou kind sir :thumbup:

[celica_2nr]

Just some simple automotive body filler...from the back, use some duct tape to create and fall back for the filler, but once it's set and you've rubbed it down, it should be fine..I did mine approx 3 years ago and it's still held up fine
i was kinda scared it would have been different from fiberglass. ill have to try it out.

[Celicasaur]

Today was good fun - inspection day!!!

Had to wake up early and go to the stealership to buy some new bulbs, oil filter, coolant etc etc then I had to quickly remove all the junk, crap, dirt and tools that had accumulated inside my car during the last 8 months! After a quick test run around the block and re-fitting my licence plates, it was looking like a good day was on the cards, when I took this picture :gap:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/1.jpg

But anyway, so yeah I drove with my friend to the inspection garage (we call it an MOT here in the UK, which stands for Motor Officially Tested). Maaaaan the car sounds amazing...that's the only word to describe it. It's so tangy and hollow/wallowy, yet tangy and high pitched AND YET it doesn't sound like a damn hunduh ricer burner :hitit: If any of you guys come to london, hit me up and I'll show you what I mean!

Here's some shots I took outside the garage:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/5.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/4.jpg

(lol, I bet you guys are glad to see some pics of it off of my damn driveway! :o: )

And here's a couple during the test...I'm so pleased with how the satin paint job has turned out:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/3.jpg

Car looks really mean too, esp with the modded tail lights

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/2.jpg

Needless to say, it passed inspection just fine. I was told that the balljoints are showing first signs of weakness, and the brakes are a bit 'weak', but apart from that, the car is good.

Ok, now the important bits...how it drove!

First up, handling...

I've gone from OEM struts to TRD blues. I've replaced the front control arm bushings for the E/S poly bushes. New Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres all round with special coating to soften the compound further. I've also taken a nice amount of weight out of the car, mostly from the rear................right the ride is nice and comfortable, which was a relief! I'm not sure if the struts are actually doing a great deal though because I haven't gone flying into a bend yet (for obvious safety reasons of not being used to the car after so long), so the jury is still out on those. The control arm bushings are highly reccommended though! The steering feel and response to input is just lovely. It feels very go-kart like. The tyres grip extremely well (even at this 'new' stage of their life, so I'm impressed by what they'll give in a few weeks time) and I tried a couple of moderate/hard launches expecting my trademark wheelspin, but all i got was grip and car shot off :gap: With regard to the weight loss on the rear, the car does feel a little 'light' on the back and on the one occasion that I took a bend 'sort of' fast, I got the feeling that the limit of grip would be reached pretty quickly (although not at that precise moment, if that makes sense). I think I may need to get used to the lack of weight on the rear before trying any maverik manouvres. I may even just invest in a rear swaybar, but I'll have to wait and see.

Next up, brakes...

Similar to the TRD struts, the jury is still out on these. I've got EBC turbo groove disks all over, with yellowstuff pads all over. The fluid was compeltely drained and re-filled/bled..........ok, I know I'm going to be told that the brakes will need a few miles before they start to perform, but I'm not impressed at this early stage, regardless. The pedal feel is pretty soft and eventhough the response is good from little input on the pedal (probably due to the fluid change then), the actual braking power seems a bit...well, crap. I'll give these the benefit of the doubt though and give them another 2-3 months before I comment on them again. Btw, yes I know that they need to be warmed up before optimum use, but I was at least expecting something better than my old brakes, which were rusted to kingdom come!

The power....

Ok I'm not gonna lie. I love it! I'm 100% it's not my imagination, but the car definately feels faster all around. Things that have changed since when I last drove it properly in december:
440cc injectors
weight reduction
a/c deleted
port-match my portedTB to the IM
smoothed IM flange area on stock IM
3"diameter SRI

Not much ^^^ I'll agree. Throttle response and midrange pull is awesome now. I'm not kidding, I'm sure farhanali89 will testify to this also, from very little throttle input, the car is so willing to pull forward :gap:

I solved a problem though, which could be why it was a bit 'dissapointing' last year...the injector harness clip on #4 is very loose and doesnt clip into place. This meant that the chocking smell from my car that I used to smell was not actually the decat...it was the fact that one cylinder wasn't really firing properly! I had the engine running and it was running really rough, so I pressed down on the injector clip which magically made the car run super smooth....crazy. So, natrually, I used a tie-clip to press down on the clip so I could have more power to play with. The result is now I don't get so much white smoke out the tail pipe and the smell isn't so damn choking :)

Anyway, so yeah the stock ecu also doesn't like the 3" intake too much under a heavy load (understandably). It runs like a dream in first gear. Heck, when lift kicks in 1st, I was firmly in my seat (and omg the sound is like....:o: wow!) but when I tried lift in 2nd, the car clearly wasn't accelerating quickly at all, so natrually I didn't attempt it again, nor go higher than 5k at WOT. But on the small lobe under any load (by any load, I mean up to 4th gear...I don't think I even used 5th or 6th) the car behaves nicely and pulls awesome. A nice compliment was that my friend said to me that the midrange pull esp at the throttle input that I was using, felt the same as his other friends Corrola T Sport Supercharger :gap: good praise there...but yeah, the car is definately running and feeling a lot more quicker than it has done.

Contrary to what people say about running overly rich with bigger injectors on the stock ecu, my afr's at idle were at a MUCH improved ~14:1 (it used to be ~17:1 on stock injectors) and WOT in 1st gear lift wasn't any richer than ~11:1 (which it used to be at a few years ago when I was on I/E/H and had just got my UEGO)

Clearly there's a hell of a lot of potential to come from my dyno date at the end of september and I can't wait!

I'm sure the weight reduction has a small part to play in the better acceleration from the car. To quickly summarise to the lazy folk out there, here's a quick list of what's already gone:
A/C unit, condensor, evaporator & lines = 20lbs
Back seats = 30lbs
Empty trunk of all junk and crap + tools etc =25lbs
Jack and rear window washer motor = 10lbs
Lightweight battery =15lbs off from car, compared to old battery
Removed rear seat plastics + trunk plastics + trunk carpet + hatch plastic = 26lbs

That amounts to ^^^ 126lbs == 57kg and I'm not finished yet. To come I still have to:

Fit carbon hatch (yes Entranced, you convinced me :o: )
Fit lexan rear window
Remove sound deadening
Lighter exhaust/rice can with piping

I believe there's possibly another 70-80lbs to come off there ^^^

Anyway, just thought I'd share this with you guys. No point in attempting to make vids for now because I can't hit lift in 2nd, but I shall do so after I get tuned and am hitting what I strongly hope for ~200whp :gap:

[farhanali89]

Ah rana the car was mental! It is very fast....considering you didnt use lift once i think the mid range is definitely so much better.

You still had alot of stuff in the car like tools etc along with me ha! So with more weight reduction to come theres defo alot more left in it.

Considering you were on the standard ecu im really suprised.......makes me think of the potential.

Overall ill say this, car felt like a proper race car and the soundtrack was amazing hopefully will see this in action again very soon.

[danGTS]

Nice to hear it now runs! :thumbup:

Still on stock exhaust man !!?? :gap:

[zzt231 gr]

Very nice project man and by your own hands!!!;)

And the last mod you forgot-tire shine spray!Hahaha!:D

Your car looks awesome,Rana!

[blacktsport]

I can't wait for my Apexi to turn up with Mabbs so I can swap over and come around to yours to drop off your loaner. Really looking forward to seeing and hearing the beast running again. It's been a struggle for you I know but it looks like light at the end of the tunnel now Rana. Which is fantastic news bud :gap:

Shame the cars aren't like twins anymore, would have made for some nice pics ;)

[Entranced]

Fit carbon hatch (yes Entranced, you convinced me )

:wiggle:

if your doing a lexan hatch window you almost had to do a CF hatch.. haha. Granted the DD IM would be sick if you got it.. but oh well :gap:

Glad your finally back on the road again. How's it feel to be able to get your chicken ultra fast?!

[Celicasaur]

Overall ill say this, car felt like a proper race car and the soundtrack was amazing hopefully will see this in action again very soon.

Thanks bro, yeah no, you'll see it action again next friday, albeit a bit cleaner and probably driving out of lift :)

Nice to hear it now runs! :thumbup:

Still on stock exhaust man !!?? :gap:

hehe, next saturday....2.5"I.D. piping, mandrel bends, a rice can and my apexi ats will all come together :) updates on this to follow (along with the for sale thread named "free flow axel back for sale" :o: )

And the last mod you forgot-tire shine spray!Hahaha!:D

Your car looks awesome,Rana!

Thankyou sir :thumbup: and um, yeah, dammit, i need some tyre shine for next week :o:

I can't wait for my Apexi to turn up with Mabbs so I can swap over and come around to yours to drop off your loaner. Really looking forward to seeing and hearing the beast running again. It's been a struggle for you I know but it looks like light at the end of the tunnel now Rana. Which is fantastic news bud :gap:

Shame the cars aren't like twins anymore, would have made for some nice pics ;)

Don't worry mate, I should be good until around the....maybe 26th september, or even later. I need to book myself in for a tuner after 25th sept, so you've got plenty of time yet ;)

And don't you worry, we're still gonna be meeting up for pics and that race for the newcelica crowd :fawk:

Granted the DD IM would be sick if you got it.. but oh well :gap:

Glad your finally back on the road again. How's it feel to be able to get your chicken ultra fast?!

I highly doubt I'll get the DD manifold unless the short runner version does something amazing on a few cars (and by amazing, I mean 220whp). I can't justify the price for the time being, esp when it'll work out at almost the cost of a rotrex unit...a few hundred more and I could be in huge power, so that's the dialema.

As for being back on road - it's awesome man!! If anything, purely for the sound and the 'shock factor' that people see such an insane celica/car on the road making such a cooooooooool sound :hitit:


Updates to follow next week, probably when I get my exhaust made up :wiggle:

[blacktsport]

Don't worry mate, I should be good until around the....maybe 26th september, or even later. I need to book myself in for a tuner after 25th sept, so you've got plenty of time yet ;)

And don't you worry, we're still gonna be meeting up for pics and that race for the newcelica crowd :fawk:


Damn! Was hoping you'd forgotten about 'the race' :fawk: Now I'm gonna have to practice getting my car off the line from a dig... and changing gear without missing a shift etc... damn, damn, damn!

Good news is the shipment is in the UK now, just waiting for Customs to do-the-do and we'll be set to do the swap hopefully in the next week. You'll get it back in plenty of time then.

PS, your MOT, was it done at a 'friendly' garage or does your car still genuinely pass the emissions test?! :eek: because mine is due in the next fortnight and no way will it pass now! Especially after I blew the contents of the cat out of the exhaust on Saturday :gap:

oh, one last thing M.O.T. = Ministry of Transport test. ;)

[farhanali89]

ah man just had a letter through the post....my road tax....mot.....and insurance is due thats gna be expensiveeeeeeeeee!

[celica_2nr]

video! im glad you're enjoying your ride. nothing better than feeling the results from your hard work.

[danGTS]

umm .. I thought you broke something earlier, what happened ?? More fear than damage!!?? :) If so, good for you man!

[Celicasaur]

Good news is the shipment is in the UK now, just waiting for Customs to do-the-do and we'll be set to do the swap hopefully in the next week. You'll get it back in plenty of time then.

ahhhh lovely then. Looks like I'll hit lift in 2nd gear on many's map afterall then :)

PS, your MOT, was it done at a 'friendly' garage or does your car still genuinely pass the emissions test?! :eek: because mine is due in the next fortnight and no way will it pass now! Especially after I blew the contents of the cat out of the exhaust on Saturday :gap:

Erm....yeah erm...."I fitted my oem midpipe with the cat onto my PPE header, and it fitted directly with no problems. My emissions were fine and the tester was happy" :sofa:

oh, one last thing M.O.T. = Ministry of Transport test. ;)

:owned:

video! im glad you're enjoying your ride. nothing better than feeling the results from your hard work.

I'm sure you owe US some videos, don't you think!?!? You've had the DD manifold for ages now! We want pulls! We want pulls! We want pulls!! :fawk:

umm .. I thought you broke something earlier, what happened ?? More fear than damage!!?? :) If so, good for you man!

I'm riding my luck till the new year. Nothin abnormal from the engines behaviour to suggest anything sinister, so if a valve breaks off, it'll just be really bad luck for me...time will tell.

BTW, no update on exhaust this weekend, because my slot has been moved to the following saturday :bang:

[danGTS]

ahhhh lovely then. Looks like I'll hit lift in 2nd gear on many's map afterall then :)

:nono: Do some safety tests driving smoothly with it before. Preferably with an "over-safe" map. And adjust roughly (with a safety margin) if needed.

Then, after driving around safely, if everything seems fine, you can think of gradually pushing it. PFC is not a bolt-on at all and I don't want to loose another mate among the very few members with a 2zz N/A build engine that is still running! If something seems wrong and you don't know what to do, stop trying and report back. Better safe than sorry! ;)

[Celicasaur]

Oh absolutely ^^^ I'll be sure to take it easy at first after pulling lots of timing off and I'll need your help anyway, so you'll be the first to know about how it runs with his map :)

[many]

It will run like crap because it was tuned with an AEM intake! LOL
Use the latest all gears tune.
I can't believe you haven't installed it yet......what are you waiting......for me to fly over? :chuckles: It ain't happening soon unless I get a full invite at The Fat Duck for 6 people and boarding for a week nearby!:drool:
Unless I get Dan's intake and get the tune moving along!!! If He's up to it....I can have a map in a couple of days!
But you can do it....take your time and go easy.

[Celicasaur]

Yeah, true that ^^^ but me and Dan had a theory that it might work ok if I make some adjustments to it and it'll at least be 'safe' to drive...but yeah I'll post up how it goes and you guys can help me out :wiggle:

I have that 'all gears tuned' map nice and safe, ready to drop inside :)

p.s. is the Fat Duck an actual place here in the UK that you've been to? :shrugs: I prefer chicken...

[many]

[QUOTE]Heston Marc[1] Blumenthal OBE (born 27 May 1966 in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire) is the chef and owner of The Fat Duck, a three-Michelin-starred restaurant in the village of Bray in Berkshire voted Best Restaurant in the UK by the Good Food Guide 2007 and 2009, and voted Best Restaurant in the World by fellow chefs in 2005. Since then he has been a perennial runner-up to Ferran Adri

[munchhunch]

I had some time to read through the last few pages of your thread, everything seems to be coming along nicely and I wish you best of luck with the testing and hope you dont blow anything.

Your comments about weight reduction has got me thinking. I might start to look into that more now while I am still stock rather than thinking about it after I go through more mods.

Just realised that you live in London, I used to live there for 6 months, maybe Ill drop by Christmas some time when I go back to visit mates.

[Celicasaur]

I have never been there, but I have watched all of his episodes(In search of perfection). Since cooking is a passion for me..... I can relate and acknowledge his amazing talent!

you sound like that kung foo guy in that film where he kicks ass on a train thats got loads of money on it, or some terrorist plot or....i dunno, it was out in the mid 90's :shrugs:

but um....that's good to know. how good are you at making grilled chicken?

I had some time to read through the last few pages of your thread, everything seems to be coming along nicely and I wish you best of luck with the testing and hope you dont blow anything.

Your comments about weight reduction has got me thinking. I might start to look into that more now while I am still stock rather than thinking about it after I go through more mods.

Just realised that you live in London, I used to live there for 6 months, maybe Ill drop by Christmas some time when I go back to visit mates.

Thanks man :)

And yeah, if you come London around xmas, that'll be perfect timing, because by then my car should be ready to show what it can do :wiggle:

[vegeta4ss]

you sound like that kung foo guy in that film where he kicks ass on a train thats got loads of money on it, or some terrorist plot or....i dunno, it was out in the mid 90's :shrugs:

lol I think your talking about Steven Seagal and one of this crappy movies.

was it this movie? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114781/)

[Celicasaur]

:o: yep...

[Celicasaur]

Took the car out this evening for a drive and I was a little more braver with lift this time around :gap:

Did some pre-flight checks. First up, a plug reading:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/22082009474.jpg
Not bad ^^^ no real signs of anything dangerous, albeit less than ideal.

Then I popped off the air filter to see how the maf was aligned inside, only to find these really fine pieces of black dust :ugh:
(you'l need to look real carefully)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/23082009477.jpg

So then I thought, hmmm...maybe it's the filter because it's new and has dust inside it. Mind you, big name like ITG, you'd think that their filters would be top quality...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/23082009478.jpg

So then I got the vacuum cleaner and gave the inside of the filter a good once over....I then rubbed my hand inside the filter to verify the cleanness, only to find this :eek:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/23082009480.jpg

Looks like that filter will be on ebay pretty soon then....I'm pretty shocked at the poor quality of it. I'm going to have to change my oil this weekend to get rid of some of that evilness inside the engine now :(

AAaaaaaanyway, so yeah I drove the car nicely and here's some highlights for those interested:
Engine reached the middle bar on the temp gauge when my oil was at ~70*c
Idle oil pressure when warm was around the ~25-~30psi level
AFR's at idle hovering between high 14's to mid 16's
AFR's in 2nd + 3rd gear lift was in the 10's :o: ok, I know....
AFR's at light throttle in any gear in the 14's

It's cool to know that the light throttle instances appear to be the most beneficial, when compared to full throttle. For obvious reasons it seems to be running extremely rich now and bogging down a little. But I'd rather be rich than lean than with stock injectors.

First gear acceleration is the best it's ever been. It tears through lift brilliantly. 2nd is also fairly impressive, but I think the overly rich condition is no doubt what's causing it to appear a little slow in lift, compared to the small lobe. Mind you, that flame that came out on the 1-2 shift this evening was cool :chuckles:

I think that's all that's worth mentionning for now. I'll change the bore washed/dirty oil over the weekend and be sensible for a coupld weeks after that :)

[farhanali89]

nice going bro...the ITG filter did you use the oil that your meant to apply before you fitted it? I have heard the cleaning kit you buy with it before you attach the filter you ahve to wash it in the oil or something so it builds up a barrier to stop dust getting in and stop the filer messing up like that.

Concerning but get an oil change done and ring me!

[danGTS]

Honestly, I don't know the brand itg. But just looking at the filter, I wouldn't use that. I don't understand why you would expect that filter to be a quality one ..

I hope nothing too harmful went in ..

You r basically seeing what Boosted reported earlier, the 3 inch intake and the 440 injectors do not make for a proper AF (on stock ecu).

One possibility is that it's the O2 feedback by itself that is able to produce proper low load AFR ..

Your plug seems to show the richness of your mixture. But it doesn't seem too bad (so far).

[many]

Foam filters are crap...end of story! Get yourself a AEM dry filter .....refreshing and with no aftertaste!

[Preludekid]

ITG is a big name. they make filters for ITB as well.

[kortik]

well looks like you found out how ITG does thier quility control.

I think AEM dryflow is the way to go. Just wash them no oiling needed.

[danGTS]

ITG is a big name. they make filters for ITB as well.

It does not meen their filter is worth a penny though!

If you want to go extreme for some quick runs, you could always run w/ no filter (which apparently is even better than running with a ITG :chuckles:). But personally, I would not sacrifice air filtration for a few instant ponies.

Besides, AEM has a velocity stack in it, so it's a plus!

[Celicasaur]

Yeah, that filter is awful. Expensive-ish too, for garbage, when infact yes, running without a filter would have been better for me :chuckles:

I'm going to pop to the local uk-equivalent of auto-zone and buy me a mesh rice filter. I'll see if it fits first though before I buy.

That is why I would be concerned with getting an aem dry flow over the internet...it might not fit as space is at a premium where my intake is. That's the only reason I chose a sock-filter over a good cone filter with bell thingy. But damn, I didn't know it would deteriorate via the throttle opening :AF:

[vegeta4ss]

I had a really bad experience with an AEM dry flow filter right after the product was introduced. I have only used Apex-I filters since that day. Hate to hear you also had a bad experience with a fancy filter that was supposed to solve problems and not create more for you.

[Shizuma]

^What happened in here? It's 7 pages long and I'm supposed to be CAD'ing things...

[Celicasaur]

I had a really bad experience with an AEM dry flow filter right after the product was introduced. I have only used Apex-I filters since that day. Hate to hear you also had a bad experience with a fancy filter that was supposed to solve problems and not create more for you.

Thanks for the heads up.

Sadly no cone filter will fit. I went to try a rice mech filte but that was no good. But fear not...I have a plan :gap: which none of you will like, but I'm going to do it because it's a better option than the ITG filter, which just deteriorates into my engine :bang:

^What happened in here? It's 7 pages long and I'm supposed to be CAD'ing things...

Ahhhh, Andrew maaaaaan, read it! It nicely unfolds to the present day and it's got nice pictures and some funny moments too :o: Highlights from page 1 - 7...

Summary - It was winter and I decided to lay my car off the road because I was scared of the fact that my tyres were dangerous and so were my brakes. I wanted a re-spray and to sort my bodywork out also, so while being broke, I seized the opportunity for some downtime and proceeded to ruin my car.

*Bought and fitted TRD blue struts
*Bought Apexi ATS (which will come into play, this time next week hopefully)
*Matt black spray job on my car
*E/S front control arm bushings fitted
*Weight reduction of the car, inc lightweight battery, air-con removal etc
*I get cussed by some highly respected members and my air-con removal concept was rubbished as 'chicken-power' and not hp :chuckles:
*I polish my engine cover, intake manifold, alternator
*New tyres bought, grip treated and fitted
*New brakes bought and fitted all over
*Paint job changed from matt black to satin/shiney black
*Rear end of car stripped out (oops, I need to document this over the weekend)
*Gauges fitted (oops, again, need to take pics for you guys)
*3" SRI straight pipe intake bought/fitted
*Lexan bought for rear hatch, but wont be fitted until carbon hatch arrives
*HID's fitted (mieh, no point in taking pics of this, lol)
*Nitrous install, but no pics as of yet
*440cc injectors bought/fitted

I think that's pretty much it...I'm at the stage now where I need to get my exhaust welded together next saturday and then patiently wait for my dyno day at the end of september :)

[youngxlos]

If you want to go extreme for some quick runs, you could always run w/ no filter (which apparently is even better than running with a ITG :chuckles:)
running with no filter well actually reduce horsepower.
i know not to believe everything i read on a magazine, but they had dynos of before and after and the car with the filter on made more power. its the way the filter its designed they said.
same thing with tire pressure, you will lose horsepower if you lower the psi of the tire, but you get more traction.
its not a huge lost on hp but you still lose power.

[danGTS]

running with no filter well actually reduce horsepower.

... AEM has a velocity stack in it, so it's a plus!

:)

[Celicasaur]

I went today to get my wheel alignment done...thought some of you might find it interesting to see the numbers of the before and after settings:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/29082009499.jpg

^^^ you'll need to save the pic onto your desktop and then zoom in, to see the range of what each component should be, as it's in quite a small print.

I can't say a great deal about how the car now feels, because I drove it home right away and I've been eating chicken ever since. Hopefully it'll remove a lot of rear nervousness and pulling of the entire car when going over uneven surfaces. I guess most of the adjustment of the rear camber and toe will help the most.

I was a bit spooked about the figures not all being symmetric from left to right, but the guy told me that when the driver weight is added to the right side (I'm RHD, remember), the car will even out and feel very balanced...I guess he's right.

The only component in the red is the caster, but it's only 0.05 degree's out of tolerance and in any case, more positive caster is cool for what I want to do for the car.

[Shizuma]

Thanks for the heads up.

Sadly no cone filter will fit. I went to try a rice mech filte but that was no good. But fear not...I have a plan :gap: which none of you will like, but I'm going to do it because it's a better option than the ITG filter, which just deteriorates into my engine :bang:



Ahhhh, Andrew maaaaaan, read it! It nicely unfolds to the present day and it's got nice pictures and some funny moments too :o: Highlights from page 1 - 7...

Summary - It was winter and I decided to lay my car off the road because I was scared of the fact that my tyres were dangerous and so were my brakes. I wanted a re-spray and to sort my bodywork out also, so while being broke, I seized the opportunity for some downtime and proceeded to ruin my car.

*Bought and fitted TRD blue struts
*Bought Apexi ATS (which will come into play, this time next week hopefully)
*Matt black spray job on my car
*E/S front control arm bushings fitted
*Weight reduction of the car, inc lightweight battery, air-con removal etc
*I get cussed by some highly respected members and my air-con removal concept was rubbished as 'chicken-power' and not hp :chuckles:
*I polish my engine cover, intake manifold, alternator
*New tyres bought, grip treated and fitted
*New brakes bought and fitted all over
*Paint job changed from matt black to satin/shiney black
*Rear end of car stripped out (oops, I need to document this over the weekend)
*Gauges fitted (oops, again, need to take pics for you guys)
*3" SRI straight pipe intake bought/fitted
*Lexan bought for rear hatch, but wont be fitted until carbon hatch arrives
*HID's fitted (mieh, no point in taking pics of this, lol)
*Nitrous install, but no pics as of yet
*440cc injectors bought/fitted

I think that's pretty much it...I'm at the stage now where I need to get my exhaust welded together next saturday and then patiently wait for my dyno day at the end of september :)

Damn, you've been busy lol. What's your weight down to now? I got corner-balanced a week or two ago (which is kind of pointless now that I'm getting new suspension :bang:) and I was down to 2,109 lbs. Hopefully with some new seats, rear hatch, and creative use of Lexan I can get down to around 2k.

[celica_2nr]

I was down to 2,109 lbs.
:eek:dang

[youngxlos]

i heard of Celica in the 1900lbs

[Entranced]

I can't say a great deal about how the car now feels, because I drove it home right away and I've been eating chicken ever since. Hopefully it'll remove a lot of rear nervousness and pulling of the entire car when going over uneven surfaces. I guess most of the adjustment of the rear camber and toe will help the most.

I was a bit spooked about the figures not all being symmetric from left to right, but the guy told me that when the driver weight is added to the right side (I'm RHD, remember), the car will even out and feel very balanced...I guess he's right.

The only component in the red is the caster, but it's only 0.05 degree's out of tolerance and in any case, more positive caster is cool for what I want to do for the car.


He didn't sandbag the driver seat? :nono: I hate people that work in a shop but still don't know what they are doing... When you do an alignment, setup is key. Tire pressure's need to be optimal and the weight in the car needs to be at what it will be daily, with sandbags in the drivers seat to account for driver weight because it DOES affect the alignment angles. hell, BMW even makes you put sandbags in the trunk to account for luggage!!


Caster isn't usually an adjustable angle so not much you can do there.

[munchhunch]

i heard of Celica in the 1900lbs

Wow that is light, any ideas on what was done to strip that weight?

[youngxlos]

here is a pm i got from him
I did have a lot of weight reduction, dont know how much more than any other person buy my car did like the scale... my car came out to a bit over 1900lbs and i drove it around like that... to the extent of someone who strips the back, i just took out all the panels, carpet, and had a lexan rear window with carbon hatch. everything lese everyone already does...

[Shizuma]

i heard of Celica in the 1900lbs

Yea but the turbo system adds a bit of weight that's hard to make up. I've got some other things I want to do it's just a matter of motivation.

[Celicasaur]

He didn't sandbag the driver seat? :nono: I hate people that work in a shop but still don't know what they are doing... When you do an alignment, setup is key. Tire pressure's need to be optimal and the weight in the car needs to be at what it will be daily, with sandbags in the drivers seat to account for driver weight because it DOES affect the alignment angles. hell, BMW even makes you put sandbags in the trunk to account for luggage!!


Caster isn't usually an adjustable angle so not much you can do there.

Bro I

[munchhunch]

You sitting in the passenger seat is going to be very difficult to get accurate readings. The machines used are extremely sensitive and need a dead weight on the driver side.

The place I went to I noticed the camber would change with the slightest bit of wind or vibration within the workshop.

I set my toe out to 2mm in the front and 2.7deg neg camber front left and right, rear was set to 1 deg neg camber and 0 toe for a more neutral rear to front.

Those set ups were from my track set up for over-steer so back is very touchy.

I suggest you go with a more neutral set up at the front for more stability on deceleration.

Do you have caster adjustment on your suspension? If you do that could improve launches.

[danGTS]

Rana, unfortunatly, adjusting camber will screw up the toe ..

[Celicasaur]

Ahhhh dammit. Any ideas on how to make my car handle more 'safer' and 'normal' at higher speeds then? I don't remember ever having this problem when my car was new :shrugs:

[munchhunch]

Safer as in more under steer compared to over? Decrease you neg camber to something close to '0' 1 neg should be a safe setup, Will also save on tire ware.

[Celicasaur]

Right, so today I finally got my axel-back cooked together :headbang:

I'm due at the dyno in little over 2 weeks now, so I figured it would be important to get my exhaust as free flowing as possible to extract the most from the engine via the tuner.

Obligatory pic of the car...for no apparent reason :o:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009510.jpg

Right, so my exhaust set up was PPE header, then 2.5" mandrel bent piping (catless) to the axel-back...where my stock exhaust was just chilling for a while, waiting for me to retire it, lol.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009505.jpg

So, they get to work and remove the stock section to start piecing the piping together...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009524.jpg

...looking good at this point :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009525.jpg

Some of my TRD rear had to be sacrificed, but I didn't care...I kept telling the guy to chop off whatever he liked!!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009529.jpg

off-topic:
These guys were crazy though. They kept suggesting some bizarre methods for routing my exhaust piping (like through the rear suspension!) and even crush bending my piping to make it fit the resonator better, but I insisted that they didn't do it. Of course, they did it anyway when I went for a short walk and then I flipped out at the boss and then for some reason, he thought it would be a good idea to flip out at ME because I was 'moaning' :AF: customer service these days, eh? I was told to leave my car there and wait till I could bring back some more mandrel bent piping to replace the small piece that they used the crusher on. Natrually I was like "fix it nowwwww!!!" and then the boss said to his employee "do EXACTLY like this guy says, so WHEN it fcuks up, he can't come moaning back at us to fix it for him"...I was like...O-KAYYYYYY, that's the last time I use you guys for my odd jobs for the celica :angry:

Anyway, back on topic.

SO yeah, some final welding of the piece, off the car

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009528.jpg

And here we are.... :thumbup:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009530.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009531.jpg

Now look at my exhaust system....just lovely, isn't it? No restriction at all :gap:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009533.jpg

And of course, the obligatory before/after shot...before (well, kinda)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/120920095092.jpg

After!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/120920095322.jpg

Total cost for this small collective blob of metal? Resonator+tip

[snwman86]

no harm man but them welds look dodgy and what did he do to ur rear bumper feckin chew it with his teeth:eek:.. one thing i know is the customers always right:fawk: but the owner sounde like a right jackass but ya got the exhaust done anyway, going to get one done in the new year myself hopefully and see how things go... good read my man;)

[Celicasaur]

no harm man but them welds look dodgy

yep, they're terribly overdone in places, which doesn't bother when it's under the car, but the tip and the rice can are spoilt by poor welds. I'm going to have to scrape them off myself at some point when i can be bothered.

what did he do to ur rear bumper feckin chew it with his teeth

lol, no, i can thank my old trd exhaust for that!!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/VVTL-Rday1006.jpg

[blacktsport]

Looks like my bumper and exhaust now! :gap: lol

[many]

What kind of shop is that!!?? Look at where they store the tires!!! What kind of welding is that? Bubble mountain?!
Dude run away...

like through the rear suspension!)

hahaha yea that would have been really nice......"klink" at ever bump!

Rana, I want you to take a close look at the welds and look if the're porous......if they are, he didn't have the argon/CO2 gas open to proper shield it when welding!

[sillycar09]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/12092009533.jpg


Haha...bro..your whole exhaust piping same as me ...:wiggle:
Just the mid pipe there... i am using straight ... :D
the sound GREAT !!

[Entranced]

What kind of welding is that? Bubble valley?!


more like Bubble Mountain :chuckles:

[Shizuma]

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/1216.jpg

Side exit man, do it! Also you may want to add a support where it passes under the rear cross member to keep it from bouncing.

[many]

more like Bubble Mountain Brain freeze! That's what I was thinking! :laugh:

[Celicasaur]

lol, yeah the welds aren't the best...heck, I don't mind when it's under the car, but the welds in view of my rice can are pretty awful :bang:

Shiz, I can't to side exit because that would eliminate the silencer (ok, not strictly true, but I like the rice can :o: )

Many, I'll check those welds tonight.

The rest, I'm not sure if my car is any better off or worse now. Mid range feels good. For some reason I seem to get a bit of a slight kick at ~5000rpm at wot...not sure why, but I'm not complaining. In lift though...I dunno. Maybe the car is just as slow as it was last week and my louder stock exhaust (with flange leaks) made me 'think' it was faster. Right now, in lift the car sounds almost stock, but the needle kinda appears the same as last week. The butt dyno can't register this one sadly.

I'm gonna have to try it without the silencer in place this week to see if that's the restriction, but I'm also scared as to how loud it will be...I've heard unbolted before and it's not appropriate, according to the London Police.

On a cool note, it's kinda cool because you can actually hear the ATS opening up...it makes like a whistling sound under load and when you get off the throttle, it kinda makes a faint whoosh like a BOV. Of course, on the dyno in a fortnight, I'll do a quick test near the end of the session and try it without the silencer. If the amount of power lost is only like 3-4whp, then I'll probably just keep the silencer in place as the benefits of the sound reduction would be better than the excessive noise for a few hp factor.

Oh and last night I got the last of the sound deadening off that was stuck to the trunk wheel well and the back seat area...it amounted to a small 3kg, but that's still 3kg I guess and it'll all add up. PITA to remove though. I probably wont bother with the front seats sound deadening though.

Hopefully MWR pullies left to fit this week and then I'm good to go for the 28th :headbang: let's see if I can get even close to many's world benchmark of 202whp on a celica :chuckles:

[zzt231 gr]

Hey man,those weldings are totally CRAP!I had some shop repair my midpipe before I changed to a free flow cat to another shop and when I saw my old weldings from the inside,they were like crystals forming in the inside and they where very rough!They looked just like yours from the outside!!Nice setup,though!Need video w/o silencer!!!

[Celicasaur]

many those welds...when you meant porous, did you mean like, if they absorb water, that's bad? Well, ok, obviously that's bad, lol, but is that what you meant, right? How could I test this?

Nice setup,though!Need video w/o silencer!!!

I might make one this weekend, but only with the mwr pullies fitted as my car seems pretty slow to me at the moment...it really looks like it's no faster than stock :(

Goods are in :headbang:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/15092009541.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/15092009542.jpg

You can see how much bigger than the stock sized pulley it is ^^^really does look like just a replica of the aem pulley, but in black and with a nice monkeywrench logo that will no doubt get worn off pretty quickly, lol. It's lighter than stock, that's for sure.

The water pump pulley is notably larger than the stock one. I spent a lot of time this summer with the water pump pulley in my hand, so I know how big that is without even looking at it right now. This pulley doesnt seem any lighter than stock though, so all the gains are going to be made solely on underdriving, it would seem. Let's hope the chicken power is strong in these two.

I only really bought them as a couple/few optimistic hp boost before my dyno tune in a fortnight :gap:

My butt dyno is pretty sensitive though, so if there are some good butt-dyno gains to be had from these for average joe celica owner out there, then I'll be sure to make it known :)

[many]

If they're porous your can see it ...the welds will have some small microscopic holes/craters .... they aren't ''smooth" flowing .

[zzt231 gr]

Goods are in :headbang: Lucky you!!!

[Entranced]

when i ran at the track earlier in the year, my silencer in or out made no difference in trap speed or ET

[Seven-Of-Nine]

Hey Ron what the diameter of the groove for the MWR alt. Pulley looks smaller than the AEM.

[Celicasaur]

If they're porous your can see it ...the welds will have some small microscopic holes/craters .... they aren't ''smooth" flowing .

I'll be sure to check that on the weekend...I hardly get time these days to play with the car :(

On a more important note, I tried your map (final94 retune after dyno) and my car wouldn't start. Well, ok it did, but for all of one revolution of the engine. It cranks, fires, then instantly shuts off, and generally with a small pop. Could it be due to the fact that yours was tuned on an aem intake with stock diameter piping for the maf and I have a 3" diameter sri? When I used to run the power fc on my injen intake it would start fine and idle lean (for obvious reasons like injectors) but now I have the same injectors as you, so I can see why it would not want to start up. I doesn't even make the pop on the default map. Could you advise from here please?

:headbang: Lucky you!!!

:chuckles: indeed...chickenpower ftmfw :headbang:

when i ran at the track earlier in the year, my silencer in or out made no difference in trap speed or ET

Really? It 'should' do...maybe because you have to tune for it with the power fc not reacting to any increase in exhaust flow? :shrugs: For what it's worth though, my exhaust flow is hella strong even at idle. If you stand up to 2-3 feet away from the tip, you can feel the pulses hitting your leg! It's awesome, lol.

Hey Ron what the diameter of the groove for the MWR alt. Pulley looks smaller than the AEM.

Nothing to worry about mate, it will fit the belt just fine ;)

[many]

Obviously the maf reading will be off with a 3" intake.
The same air is interring the pipe but now it's just a bigger pipe....so the air velocity/speed is different.....think about it....the MAF readings(Milivolts) are lower.
That MAP isn't injecting enough fuel then.... because of the lower reading of the MAF.
Highlight the whole injection map and raise the it (+)by a couple of clicks....and try again until it starts.(dont forget to write it in the map before starting).

[lamboceliGTS]

Looks like a pretty shady shop...

[Celicasaur]

Obviously the maf reading will be off with a 3" intake.
The same air is interring the pipe but now it's just a bigger pipe....so the air velocity/speed is different.....think about it....the MAF readings(Milivolts) are lower.
That MAP isn't injecting enough fuel then.... because of the lower reading of the MAF.
Highlight the whole injection map and raise the it (+)by a couple of clicks....and try again until it starts.(dont forget to write it in the map before starting).

I had a feeling it was something like that! Cool, I'll grow a pair later on and increase the fuelling on the commander and see how that helps. Please check this thread back later tonight with the update on how it went :o:

[Shizuma]

I had a feeling it was something like that! Cool, I'll grow a pair later on and increase the fuelling on the commander and see how that helps. Please check this thread back later tonight with the update on how it went :o:

Do you have a datalogit yet or are you just being lazy?

[Celicasaur]

Pure laziness ^^^

But yeah I guess it would be better if I made changes to the whole map on my pc first, then used the datalogit to transfer the data to the car :o:

I'll post up relevant numbers later on to show how I did it.

[blacktsport]

How much later?! :gap:

[Magusownz]

Celicasaur if you do not have a 3inch intake and are trying to use a map made for a 3inch car then the fuel will be way off. You will have to make different changes everywhere on the map it won't work just adding the same amount of fuel over the entire map. afr will be off.

and if you don't have 3inch already here is the time to do it but if I remember correctly you got ppe 3inch sri?

[supracelica32]

Celicasaur if you do not have a 3inch intake and are trying to use a map made for a 3inch car then the fuel will be way off. You will have to make different changes everywhere on the map it won't work just adding the same amount of fuel over the entire map. afr will be off.

and if you don't have 3inch already here is the time to do it but if I remember correctly you got ppe 3inch sri?

you got it backwards, he does have a 3inch intake, his map from many on the other hand is for an injen cai.

where's the sound clip already?

[Magusownz]

Oh ok I see now, yeah well prob the best thing to do is for celicasaur to copy his fuel map and put it on the new map he got and make sure you put the airflow for a 3inch in the settings.

[Celicasaur]

How much later?! :gap:

Yeah no, I was at work when I posted that... :fawk: lol!

you got it backwards, he does have a 3inch intake, his map from many on the other hand is for an injen cai.

where's the sound clip already?

Indeed. I have a 3" intake, many's map is for a stock sized intake.

Sorry man, no sound clip or vid until....by the looks of it, probably monday next week now. I spent most of this evening looking at my camshaft timing and sure enough it's slightly off, which probably explains why my car doesn't feel any quicker than a stock GT-S when in truth it should be loads quicker. I'm hoping that a slightly more advanced exhaust cam in the correct position should boost the power and more importantly, put the car into a good position, going into the dyno in little over a week now. I'll prob finish the timing on saturday then give the stock ecu some time to adjust so I can gauge any difference on my butt-dyno. Then once it's running well (fingers crossed!!) I wanna fit the mwr pullies on monday to see if anything registers on the butt dyno from there. During next week I'll attempt tweeking the power fc to get the car to start.

Oh ok I see now, yeah well prob the best thing to do is for celicasaur to copy his fuel map and put it on the new map he got and make sure you put the airflow for a 3inch in the settings.

Come again?? Man I've got a lotttt of reading to do over the weekend to freshen up how the datalogit thing works. God bless Jesse for writing the guide :king:

[danGTS]

you got it backwards, he does have a 3inch intake, his map from many on the other hand is for an injen cai.

Many has an AEM, not an injen. Therefore that map is tuned for a car with AEM.

[supracelica32]

Many has an AEM, not an injen. Therefore that map is tuned for a car with AEM.

gotcha! either way i was just trying to say it wasn't for an 3inch intake.

[Celicasaur]

Right, so we're nearing the end of this thread now, people.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/19092009560.jpg

Sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly bigger than stock. But not much at all...(stock is on top of mwr)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/19092009559.jpg

And of course, mwr's version of ripping off the aem alt pulley

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/Ranasaur/19092009561.jpg

I'd like to say I felt a slightly better throttle response, but alas my car was running poorly and misfiring, so there's no way that my butt-dyno will ever know. I'd guess them to give 2whp on general principal of the $100 ==1whp rule, but I dunno....who knows, eh?

[EMSRacerCeli03]

yeah Rana that closer timing is where its supposed to be. just wait till you tune for the 3in intake, you dont want to run your car super lean

[farhanali89]

rana! you gotta check my timing bro! my engine sounds a bit loud LOL its doing my nut in. Cannot wait to see the power fc in!

Hopefully mine should be back soon!

[Celicasaur]

yeah Rana that closer timing is where its supposed to be. just wait till you tune for the 3in intake, you dont want to run your car super lean

hehe, thanks for the tip yesterday bro ;) speaking to you cleared it up so much and helped me to understand what GSB was saying about setting the timing :love:

rana! you gotta check my timing bro! my engine sounds a bit loud LOL its doing my nut in. Cannot wait to see the power fc in!


Generally, 2zz's are pretty loud and tappy, but mine was making a slightly distinct sound that I know it never used to make after the build.

I tell you what though...it's nice to know that I can run level with a 350z on retarded intake timing! :laugh:

[blacktsport]

Sounds like progress bud. Really good to hear.

[GSBoek]

You picked up a couple of chickenpower with the new timing. :D Just messing. Replied in the other thread in case you see this one first.

[EMSRacerCeli03]

hehe, thanks for the tip yesterday bro speaking to you cleared it up so much and helped me to understand what GSB was saying about setting the timing
no prob glad i could help. bet your car feels alot better now

[Celicasaur]

lol, if mis-firing is better, then yeah ^^^ :chuckles:

But yeah no, I'm pretty sure the mis-firing is due to the intake. I'm on the look out now for a map with a 3" straight SRI...I think I need to go fishing and begging other members for a map that I can de-tune and use on mine for a week.

[celica_2nr]

I tell you what though...it's nice to know that I can run level with a 350z on retarded intake timing!
hell yeah:headbang:

[farhanali89]

Rana update us!!

[Celicasaur]

New thread to come very soon ;)

[zzt231 gr]

Summer thread,perhaps??Yeah!!:naughty: