Alright everyone, I need your opinions on buying.

[Kamakura]

Okay.
So here's the skinny, or down low, or whatever you want to call it. I've recently come into the amount of money that I need to buy a Celica. :) Now, I need as many opinions as possible to see if the one I've found is worth picking up.

I found it on Autotrader. It's ID number is AT-F6840E7 for some info. Basic rundown is '00, black, manual, gt-s, 83k miles, $8950 asking.

Now I've talked with him and asked him for some pictures of any exterior scratches/dings and these are what he gave me:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/interior2.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/interior1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/gauge1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/console1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/rearseats1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/trunk1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/rightfronthood.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/leftfronthood.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/driversdoor.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/driversskirt.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/rightleftquarter.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/rearbumper2.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/rearbumper.jpg

I also asked him a volley of questions that went like the following:

How are the a/c and heater holding up? Just fine. No problems
Ever replaced the lift bolts? No
Does lift kick in like it should? Yes, I recently replaced the lifts.
Has there ever been a miss shift? Never
If the engine oil was ever changed? Regularly, every 3,000 miles (I have the receipts)
What brand and type of oil for the engine oil changes? I have it changed at the dealership 90% of the time so it uses an original Toyota brand oil for 2ZZGE engines
When was the last time the brake pads were changed? No replacements yet. Current pads are still upto par. (based on regular inspection during oil changes)
How much tread is left on the tires? Approx another 3,000 miles (based on mechanic estimate)
What the brand of the struts were front and back? Front - Rod Millen, Back - TRD
At what miles did you put springs and shocks on? Eibach Springs and shocks were installed @ approx 45k miles
At what miles was the CAI put on? At approx 35k miles
Is the TRD kit authentic? Yes (original urethane material)
Is there's anything on the interior that has some wear and tear other than the floor mats? Just a minor wear on the driver's seat. I regularly apply Meguiar's conditioner on the seats to prevent cracking.

So, with all that stuff for you, my questions are then:
~Is there anything else that anyone can think of that I should ask this guy and/or do before going to pick it up?
~Your personal advice on whether or not to get it.
~Is there anything that I should look out for when I go see him if everything works out.

My dad will be comming down and wants to go with me if I go. He's been in the automotive industry since he was like 16 (roughly 30 years), and is master certified in many makes. He just wants to be there for sentimental reasons and to make sure I'm not getting screwed out of anything.

So, yeah. Please let me know what you all think about this endevor as I am now on a 30 day limit to find my car. :)

Thanks to everyone in advance.
-Christopher

[vejita_13]

Did he just get the wrong gauge face? The redline is at 7800 there.

[EMSRacerCeli03]

is it a manual car? ask him if he flushes the fluid and gets it replaced regularly

Does lift kick in like it should? Yes, I recently replaced the lifts.
I dont like his answer i dotn think he knows what he is talking about.

[EMSRacerCeli03]

also work him down the price, maybe a "mint" 00 celica with less miles might cost that much but go on kelly blue book and check their price. And even with that body damage that makes the price even less

[EMSRacerCeli03]

Did he just get the wrong gauge face? The redline is at 7800 there.
shouldnt matter, looks nice but the car still will fuel cut at like around 8350 rpm, would make sure it does

[vejita_13]

shouldnt matter, looks nice but the car still will fuel cut at like around 8350 rpm, would make sure it does

Just making sure it's not an '02, even though it's stated as being '00 (though I don't see why someone would try to pass a car off as an older one, unless the lower redline is a bigger problem and a greater deterrent to selling a car than age) :wave:

[Kamakura]

Did he just get the wrong gauge face? The redline is at 7800 there.

I can tell it's a GT-S because if you go to the Autotrader site, there's a pic of his engine. It's got the "-i" on the valve cover plastics. I'm sure it's just the wrong gauge face.

I dont like his answer i dotn think he knows what he is talking about.

Yeah, that one caught my eye also.

also work him down the price, maybe a "mint" 00 celica with less miles might cost that much but go on kelly blue book and check their price. And even with that body damage that makes the price even less

I offered him $8300 in my last e-mail. Is that still too high?

[Kamakura]

Just making sure it's not an '02

How would I do that? I guess I could ask for the VIN huh. Just thought of it.

[vejita_13]

How would I do that? I guess I could ask for the VIN huh. Just thought of it.

Not sure about how to check, but the VIN should work. Also, if it is a '00, and he got the wrong guage face, it makes me wonder what other stupid things he may have done that he's not disclosing. This is another red flag:


Does lift kick in like it should? Yes, I recently replaced the lifts.

[Kamakura]

So, I'm pretty sure this is a really stupid question, but, I check the VIN through... what? Carfax?

[vejita_13]

Roger.

[Kamakura]

Well, just went to Carfax.com and searched the VIN. The result page that shows up asking for your credit card info for payment confirms that it's a 2000.

It also says there are 28 records found in the database, but I have no idea what that means.

[EMSRacerCeli03]

might be 28 owners or 28 accidents i would pay for the carfax or ask the guy to give you a car fax of the car. Guy i bought mine from got me the cars carfax. Shows you everything that has happende to the car.

offered him $8300 in my last e-mail. Is that still too high?
well look it up on kelly blue book, what does it say? probably like 6000 or so with that body damage and such

[Kamakura]

Looked it up on kbb. With the info on Autotrader and the pictures I rated it as "Good." Price for private party for that car actually came up at $7500.

I'll ask him to give me a carfax and see what he says.

[WakeRider]

i would only give $7000 because of the body damage. I would go and see it in person thought and take some own pictures.

[EMSRacerCeli03]

yeah bro tell him KBB is 7500 plus all the body work. And before you put any money down take a look at the carfax. Good luck bro

[Kamakura]

I see where you guys are comming from, but with the mods he's done I don't want to lowball him or anything. I just sent him another e-mail about the trans oil, gauge face, and carfax report; forgot to ask about the lift bolt thing.

I would go and see it in person thought and take some own pictures.

I don't really want to drive just to take those pictures. I live in Shingle Springs and he's in San Jose. It's like a two hour drive from where I am.

[vejita_13]

I don't really want to drive just to take those pictures. I live in Shingle Springs and he's in San Jose. It's like a two hour drive from where I am.

If that's the case, you might want to wait for something else. It'll be a much bigger PITA to deal with a fvcked up car after the fact than to drive there. Is this the only good one within your search radius?

Didn't mean to make you feel bad about the find, and I'm sure you're anxious to get the celica, but it's always good to be cautious with this kind of thing. Just think of the hassle it would be if there is something wrong, and that you could have avoided by checking it out in person :wave:

[stepintoliquid]

RECENTLY REPLACED THE LIFTS?




uh........ you should go ahead and ask him to clarify that one......

[Antithesis]

I don't really want to drive just to take those pictures. I live in Shingle Springs and he's in San Jose. It's like a two hour drive from where I am.

Well look at it this way. It's a $8000+ investment. Driving 2+ hours back and forth to be sure you know what you're getting seems worth it. Maybe grab a friend who has more car knowledge to bring along with you, or if you're really lucky maybe you could find one of the celica guys from the forums to go with you or meet you there. It's always easier to negotiate in person, especially if you have someone experienced with the car. Also he won't have the luxury of time to research and fabricate information face to face if he is in fact lying.

It'd be a shame to spend all that money you saved on a car that may disappoint you.

[Kamakura]

I just got this from him:
"I have upgraded the gauge face to TRD which is an original equipment manufacturer of Toyota, incase you were not aware. Yes, i changed the transmission oil regularly (every 3k miles). I dont have a copy of a Carfax report at the moment." He's said that he's selling it to pay off student loans and not making any profit on it. The more I read his e-mails, the more I feel that english is not his first language, which may be causing some of the confusion.

That being said, I'm starting to get the feeling that he doesn't really know what the hell he's talking about though. Please don't anyone feel bad about letting me know all this info. It's exactly what I was asking for and this is why I was asking for it. I really appreciate everybody's imput. As far as the search radius thing, there's a total of 4 gt-s's within like a 100 mile radius of where I am. 3 are from a private seller, one being this guy and the only black one, and the other from a tiny little dealership in roseville that I've actually gone to to check out the car. I'm thinking of putting up a post in the NorCal section asking for someone to come with my dad and I, that way I can see it in person and ask him stuff to his face.

[xxtruchogtsxx]

Ever replaced the lift bolts? No

Does lift kick in like it should? Yes, I recently replaced the lifts.
:ugh:

just buy smaay's celica

[Kamakura]

That's the sad part. I was all set up to buy Smaay's, but then someone else beat me to it. His car's been sold as of just a couple of days.

I'm still a little sad about it. lol

[EMSRacerCeli03]

I see where you guys are comming from, but with the mods he's done I don't want to lowball him or anything. I just sent him another e-mail about the trans oil, gauge face, and carfax report; forgot to ask about the lift bolt thing.
hey bro just to help you out. Mods done to a car can sometimes lower the value of a car. They are just extras. They dont mean anything so dont feel bad on low balling him.

[Proximity]

Make sure he puts premium gas in there. If he says no, walk away and never look back.

Other than the scratches in back the car looks real clean. I'd offer 7500.

[openeye71]

Yes, i changed the transmission oil regularly (every 3k miles). :liar:

this guy is either confussed or an idiot

[lamboceliGTS]

I would be very sceptical...

I also would never buy a modded car unless it was from someone that seemed more aware. Like the guys that sell on here, there are a ton of nice celicas to choose from.

[Kamakura]

Alright guys, so I got another e-mail back. Here's what he's said about the most recent questions.

~Wrong gauge answer: "I never noticed that until now. I guess its because I never really rev'd the engine that high before. I mainly got the car for looks and not for racing purposes."
~Here's the answer to the lift bolts thing that we all flagged and transmission oil change:
"Regarding the lift, I thought you were referring to the lift supports which keeps the back up when accessing the trunk space. As for the lift bolts, it is the part that supports the engine, am I right? If so, I have not replaced that. I got mixed up with the transmission oil and engine oil. Its the engine oil that I regularly change. As for the transmission oil, i don't recall having changed it."

So... I guess all that's left is to question the gas type that Prox brought up. Didn't even think about that one, just kinda assumed. What happens if the wrong gas type is put in by the way? Good to know about the mods not really affecting the value; if you look at the autotrader page he lists them all in case anyone is wondering. Oh, and I guess I'll pay for the carfax so I'm not suprised last minute.

Just wanted to say thanks for all the info that's poured in today. Honestly, it totally makes me feel like I'm part of the community. So thank you all again for everything you've contributed and continue to contribute to this forum and it's members.

-Christopher

[openeye71]

I can tell it's a GT-S because if you go to the Autotrader site, there's a pic of his engine. It's got the "-i" on the valve cover plastics.

GT=vvt-i
GT-S=vvtl-i

they both have the -i

[Kamakura]

I realized that right after I said wrote it and was hoping nobody would notice that I had a lapse in intelligence, lol. Here are the pics from autotrader, minus ones that were already posted, just to make it easier for everyone:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664556_258490599_IM1_09_565x42.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664554_258490599_IM1_07_565x42.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664552_258490599_IM1_05_565x42.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664550_258490599_IM1_03_565x42.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664549_258490599_IM1_02_565x42.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt184/stronglikebull975hotmail/10536664548_258490599_IM1_MAIN_565x.jpg

[tigress]

Well, my advice.

Carfax it! Always carfax if you are serious about the car. If nothing else it will prevent you from buying a salvage car (or way overpaying for one if salvage doens't bug you, for me it was a deal killer). I almost bought an Outback that turned out to have a salvage title. The car looked fine. My friend who is very knowledgeable about what to look for in a car thought it looked fine. Turned out something gave it a salvage title (for me what didn't matter, I'm not buying a car with a salvage title. Even if you do buy one that does have a salvage title , I'd only buy it if the person could tell you what caused the salvage and you trust they are being honest. And the car is also priced accordingly. I'd never pay near market value for a salvage car. You'll lose most your money cause the car is not going to be worth that much unless you find another gullible person. There are many things that could cause salvage that pretty much ruin a car forever... like being flooded with water).

Even better, I told the seller that and later noticed he had reposted it, same exact ad, no price difference, and no mention of a salvage title. And the guy had come off as very honest to me. So yeah, easy to be fooled.

Carfax isn't everything though. Look at the car. There is a dealer near me that was selling a 2003 Celica, carfax showed great, no accidents, only two owners. Pictures looked pretty clean. I went to look at it. The car's interior was pretty messed up and you could tell one owner was a heavy smoker who could care less about how his smoking affected his car (if he had that little regard for his car I have to think he probably didn't take too much care of it). It appeared to have water leaks (mold growing on the cover over the spare tire and lots of water around the spare tire. the sales guy claimed they had just washed it despite the car being pretty messy when I saw it. Besides, who sprays the interior with a hose?!). I didn't even need my mechanic friend to know the car was a pass.

That's 8k you are talking about spending. Find some one who is mechanically inclined and knows what to look for in a car. Take them with you. If you don't know anyone (and really this would be better anyways but more of a PITA), there are mechanics that for around 100 dollars (or maybe less) will inspect the car for you and tell you how good the car actually is (well worth the money. Better than having a friend cause they'll actually be able to mess around and really inspect things like how tight belts are, how worn things look, how well cared for the car really looks to be).

I would *NEVER* buy a car sight unseen. Ever. Period. If nothing else you want to make sure the guy is being honest. A lot easier to tell that when you can see the car in person and not just pics he sent you. Or buy one without checking carfax.

[lamboceliGTS]

If the wrong gas i put in there is a significant chance it will damage the engine. There have been some users on here that had that problem. Most were able to add some extra octane to help balance it though.

And yes check carfax but it will not tell you the whole story, always have a mechanic or someone that knows cars check it out.

From what I can tell it's overpriced and obviously not too well maintained. Your call.

[Kamakura]

Good to know Tigress. I have decided that if I'm serious about the possibility that I need to just suck it up and drive over.

I'm about to get the Carfax tonight, just asking him a couple more questions.

And my dad is wans to go with me to inspect the car. Master certified mechanic in lots of makes of over 25 years, so I'm pretty set in that department. :)

[Kamakura]

If the wrong gas i put in there is a significant chance it will damage the engine.

Sucks.

From what I can tell it's overpriced and obviously not too well maintained.

I'm gonna talk him down and my dad will be able to talk him down knowing all the more technical stuff that is beyond my knowledge.

[tigress]

Good to know Tigress. I have decided that if I'm serious about the possibility that I need to just suck it up and drive over.

I'm about to get the Carfax tonight, just asking him a couple more questions.

And my dad is wans to go with me to inspect the car. Master certified mechanic in lots of makes of over 25 years, so I'm pretty set in that department. :)

That's good you have your dad (I did too when I lived in Atlanta, my dad did auto repair his whole life. Now it's my roommate who works on his own cars and has worked on mine and I know is very competent).

Also, keep in mind, that sometimes when you see stuff that is more than wear and tear and the person didn't take care to take care of the problems, you can probably guess he didn't really take care of maintainance as well as he should have. I know when I bought my BMW I was told by several people they'd never buy a BMW with interior falling apart cause in general it was indicative of how well the person took care of his car (they claimed invariabley the car turned out to have issues related to not being maintained well).

Hey, make sure he has records of maintainence done ;).

[lamboceliGTS]

Also make sure there is NO grinding in any gears. The synchros (sp?) have been known to give out easily with the c60 transmission. If you test drive go through all the gears in high rpm's as well as low. To test the clutch put it in 4th and floor it, should'nt hesitate at all.

[Antithesis]

Keep in mind when doing email correspondence, he has time to google and search for whatever information you are asking about and give you the best "selling" answer. Good call on deciding to go down in person to see it. Remember though, if it's not up to your standards there will always be other Celicas for sale. I was looking through Celicas for almost a year before I bought mine. And after seeing the Celica I got, I am happy I did not simply settle with any of the other Celicas I looked at.

[Kamakura]

Yeah, I asked these questions and posted his answers in the op.

I'm gonna have my dad be the one to test drive it. He's got so much more experience in the way it should feel and sound. That way I can pin everything on him if it all goes to hell too! lol

[Kamakura]

To Antithesis,
The researching answers has crossed my mind as well. I'm not afraid to cut and run either. In the time I've been trying to get a new car there's been plenty of times where a stealership has tried to pin me under with a jacked-up deal. Just looked 'em straight in the eye and said, "F that! I'm out."

[tigress]

Keep in mind when doing email correspondence, he has time to google and search for whatever information you are asking about and give you the best "selling" answer. Good call on deciding to go down in person to see it. Remember though, if it's not up to your standards there will always be other Celicas for sale. I was looking through Celicas for almost a year before I bought mine. And after seeing the Celica I got, I am happy I did not simply settle with any of the other Celicas I looked at.

Yeah, it's hard to find a good one. I found 75% of the ones for sale had crashes on their carfax. Many were being sold by the sleezy type used dealerships. Many were way overpriced (there is a guy still trying to sell his salvaged but heavily modified Celica for 8k. Some how he htinks his mods cancel out and actually add value over the salvage title *snicker*).

I think I did the pay a lot to get a good one without waiting a long time to find one. I certainly didn't find a deal (I may or may not have overpaid, but at best I found one for a fair price). But 2003 (for the GT that's a better year than the 2000-2002, you don't need to worry about that with the GTS), in my 2nd favorite color, with original action package (even has the dealer sticker from when it was new to prove it was factory), older female previously owned, appears to be well maintained, only mod is the exhaust and the fact the toyota emblem is missing. shoot, the dealer I bought it from got it from the original owner, sold it to the second, and got it again from the second owner when she wanted a bigger car.

Oh yeah, I avoided cars with mods. My dad pointed out not only is there a bad stigma associated with mods (being that you gotta worry that the person's driving style was harsh on the car), you gotta worry that those mods will make it fail emissions. On top of that if something fails it might be more expensive to fix and harder to find parts.

So, yeah, don't pay attention to them claiming mods make the car worth more. If anything, they make the car worth less (a lot of buyers will be frightened off by mods and even those who want mods won't necessarily want the same mods so it really doesn't help to sell the car if the person doesn't even like the mods. Basically the make the buyer base smaller and will only enhance the car to a small percentage of potential buyers and will make the car less appealing to a percentage of buyers).

[Kamakura]

*sigh* This is turning out to be much more of a headache than I thought. I'm looking at some other ones now just to be on the safe side. We'll see how this all turns out soon.

[JameX]

Did he just get the wrong gauge face? The redline is at 7800 there.

?????:stupid: Original GT-S gauge redline starts at 7800k rpm, what are you talking about?

Definetly carfax it and test drive it. Just in case, call Toyota dealer, give them the VIN, ask what major TSB's and/or recalls they have done to that VIN if any.

[tigress]

*sigh* This is turning out to be much more of a headache than I thought. I'm looking at some other ones now just to be on the safe side. We'll see how this all turns out soon.

Heh.. yeah. I know your pain. I live in an area where there just aren't many Celicas on top of it all (I think I'd maybe see one or two new ones posted a week and all the rest were teh same rehashed ones that weren't good deals or just plain not going to buy that at any price).

Took me a while to find mine and I think I ended up just spending hte money to get the one that called to me :).

If this is the first one that you are looking at, be patient. Took me a month or two to find mine.

Personally, it being 2 hours away and in my opinion a lot of worrisome factors, I'd pass on that one (I'd only go that far out for a car that sounded pretty promising. I hate to say it but in my opinion, I'm not sure that one sounds that promising). Probably not worth the headache. That's just me though.

Plus, you are in Cali from which I understand they sold the most Celicas when they were new. You probably will have a better selection of them than in other places.

But, I will say, in my opinion, worth the wait (I absolutely love my car. I haven't loved a car this much since I had my 1973 Porsche). You want to get a good one cause you're going to want it to last ;).

[Kamakura]

On a more fantastic note though, the Carfax report I just ordered shows a perfectly squeeky clean record. He's the only owner like he said and has had regularly scheduled maintinence on it from a Toyota dealership or service shop for the car's entire life. I don't know if there's a way to post the record on here so you all can see it; I'd like to if I could as it's the first one I've ever seen and am deciphering it the longer I look at it. :)

[tigress]

On a more fantastic note though, the Carfax report I just ordered shows a perfectly squeeky clean record. He's the only owner like he said and has had regularly scheduled maintinence on it from a Toyota dealership or service shop for the car's entire life. I don't know if there's a way to post the record on here so you all can see it; I'd like to if I could as it's the first one I've ever seen and am deciphering it the longer I look at it. :)

That's a hopeful sign (I'd say that's a pretty good plus).

Don't get too attached to the car especially before you have it checked out. You'll never haggle it down if you do. And you'll probably be more inclined to overlook things you shouldn't particularly if you let yourself get attached to the idea before you have your dad inspect it.

(And I say this cause I have this problem ;) ).

[Kamakura]

Yeah, it's hard not to get rapped up in it all.

This though,
Original GT-S gauge redline starts at 7800k rpm, what are you talking about?
What the heck is that about? I thought only the 02 and 05 had a 7800 rev limit. This is a real bummer if it turns out to be correct. (After reading that post again... Is it just that the RED LINE starts at 7800 and the REV LIMIT is still at 8400?)

[vejita_13]

Original GT-S gauge redline starts at 7800k rpm, what are you talking about?

Thought the '02s were the only ones with a 7800 redline. I don't know, I have a GT.

[Proximity]

Don't buy the car without asking about the gas!

I was going to buy one but the guy said he put regular in it and later the engine blew (knocking) before I was going to end up buying. Don't make the mistake I almost did. (I ended up buying the car and had a new engine put in, but that's not the point)

[Reyzin]

Thought the '02s were the only ones with a 7800 redline. I don't know, I have a GT.

Rev limit and redline are different things. I can make a gauge face that has a 2000 redline, but that doesn't change the fact that the car will rev all the way to 8300.

[alex93393]

That's the sad part. I was all set up to buy Smaay's, but then someone else beat me to it. His car's been sold as of just a couple of days.

I'm still a little sad about it. lol

lol yea sorry about that....i actually have been saving for it since he was trying to sell for 12k a year ago. gl with the search though, gts ftw!

[vejita_13]

holy crap tripple post. roommate stealing all of the bandwith causing internet hiccups.

[vejita_13]

edit: see above

[vejita_13]

Rev limit and redline are different things. I can make a gauge face that has a 2000 redline, but that doesn't change the fact that the car will rev all the way to 8300.

Yeah. I get that. Make a guage face with a 100 rpm redline while you're at it.

Misunderstanding on my part. I get that the redline and fuel cut are different. I just assumed that the 02's redline may have been adjusted to coincide with the changed fuel cut. Sorry if I caused any confusion Kamakura.

[Kamakura]

Ahh, I see now. Don't worry about a thing Vegita. It could've been an issue after all. Learn something new everyday anyways. I'll send him another message asking about the fuel type used when I get my latest respond from him.

Thanks again to everyone for everything,
-Christopher

[Kamakura]

Well,
He just sent me a message letting me know that he sold it today. Gone before I could even see it in person. Ahh well. It's taught me a thing or two for the other people that I'm talking to.

Thanks again to everyone who has posted. The wealth of information is greatly appreciated and I'll keep everything that's been mentioned in mind over the next month while I search for another one.

-Christopher

[Antithesis]

Sorry to hear it got sold. There will always be other cars. I hope a good one comes along for you soon.

[Reyzin]

Yeah. Good luck with your search. I'm sure you'll find the a good one.

[celika85]

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[celika85]

oh ya thats too bad man. good luck finding one thats right for you. lol i didn't read everyones posts first