i want tuck!!!

[ieathonda]

is there any way there are springs lower than my skunk2 springs? I was thinking of trying out thes kunk2 coilovers but im not sure if those go low enough... i really dont have the money to save up for coilovers but if that is the only way i can achieve it then i guess i can save up. i just want a temporary solution right now

[Soo__Fuego]

skunk2 coilovers dont tuck, look at my sig








:laugh:

[ieathonda]

hmm how much gap are you left with? and what is your tire dimension/profile?

[Soo__Fuego]

no gap (rear is lower than front also), 18x8 on 225/40

[ieathonda]

sounds good. im about to get 17x8.5 with a 15offset and i want the tire to at least tuck. did you ever run the skunk2's on stock rims? and how much did it tuck then?

[Soo__Fuego]

17x8.5 +15 offset will stick out past the fender, maybe you got the offset wrong;) and yeah i had them on stock 16s but never at the lower height i have now, sowwy:(

[poonsport707]

you may have to go VIP with your rims. I am assuming you are either running 225s or 235s. Try to use maybe a 215/40/17 or maybe a 205/40/17. Some places may not do this for reliability reasons. you may have to find someone that does it. This may save you from getting new rims with higher offset. Doing so, your rims will probably still stick out a bit, but a least your tires won't rub as bad. Plus it'll look sic. My boy with an E55 is running VIP, the tires are fine with that much power. And the tires are barely mounted to the rims. For a lower ride height with your Skunk 2's, just take off the lowering pinch of the coilover if you don't plan to use the coil pinch to raise the ride height again. This will lower the car another 1/2 in. I am going to do it to my Tein SS-P soon. I will post pics later. Hope this help.

[poonsport707]

Also, if you do end up doing what's suggested above. But still rubs, then try adjusting the rear camber to more positive(i think is positive), so that the top of the rear tires goes inside the fenders more (butterfly). Don't worry bout your tires if you rotate them religiously. These steps including the above thread should solve your problem.

[ieathonda]

i am going for a deepdish and stretched tire size. alot of the shops around here do this :) this is the only way i can tuck. and it will be on falken azenis (stretch pretty well) on a 225 profile. and probably 215 in the front

those offsets are not wrong either ;) they will be sticking out of my fender, im having them rolled and cambering it in NEGATIVELY (which tucks the top in) to tuck, i will have some of the bottom of the rim sticking out. im trying to get as flush as possible, i may have to use spacers as well

I basically want it to sit close to/on the lip of the rims. they are workmeister s1's

[ieathonda]

oh and poon, i wont be doing much rotating because my front width is 7.5 and rear is 8.5. :gap:

[1zz-fe ce|ica]

make sure to post some pics

[ieathonda]

no problem. found out my widths were a little over estimated. 8.5inches int eh rear will yield 52mm from the original stocky 42mm. I need about an inch (25mm) maybe a little but more so...

i need about a 25 or 30 offset. decided to go with rotas since i am low on cash and it would take 1-6months for those rims to be made to spec....

they have a 8.5in with a 35 offset, which will yield a good flush fitment but i want some camber to it... might throw on some spacers then ;)

but im going to do more measuring! adios!

[Soo__Fuego]

what happened to your +15 offset?:chuckles: .......... the rear fender has like 1" lip on it, if rolled away you can probably run an 8.5 with +30 maybe +25

[ieathonda]

haha i found out iit would be some REDICULOUS camber. haha, sorry to blow up your dreams hahah

[03gtsblades]

no gap (rear is lower than front also), 18x8 on 225/40

wow.. thats wierd, mine is skunk2 springs and the rear is alittle bit higher than the front, my wheel size is 205/40/17... but i like it, its a virgin, only one finger from tire to rear fender and almost not even one finger for the front. i kinda sits like a snow plow, i dont know y, but i gotten used to it

[ieathonda]

you both have the coilovers?

and his tire is a little bigger which lets it tuck a little higher than 17's would.

either coilovers (tein SS) or a strut/skunk2 coilover combination will work

[Soo__Fuego]

haha i found out iit would be some REDICULOUS camber. haha, sorry to blow up your dreams hahah
you didnt blow my dreams, matter of fact i knew you wouldnt do it, i knew that way to low, thats why on post #6 i asked if you got the off set correct
wow.. thats wierd, mine is skunk2 springs and the rear is alittle bit higher than the front, my wheel size is 205/40/17... but i like it, its a virgin, only one finger from tire to rear fender and almost not even one finger for the front. i kinda sits like a snow plow, i dont know y, but i gotten used to it

im on their coilovers not springs

[ieathonda]

well its only 1/2 an inch that i cut back ;) im still not sure of how much camber to run either..

the skunk2 coilovers seem like a good choice though.. what is your suspension setup fuego?

[Soo__Fuego]

skunk2 coilovers with shorter springs in front

[ieathonda]

on stock shocks? what springs did you use in the front?

[Soo__Fuego]

yes stock shocks since 06:wiggle: ........................... hyperco 4" spring, thats where i got the extra inch of drop in the front, the skunk2 is a 5" spring

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3733/25226915110900.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25226915110900.jpg)

[ieathonda]

ah ok. how low would you say you dropped? i can put about half my foot under the car. on my 17's i want to at least tuck some tire in the front and rear (skunk2 springs are notorious for being high in the rear) before i attempt to even mount the new rims. i wonder if you can just take the adjustable hats off of the coilover? my shocks are pretty much dead with 120k on them already...

[Soo__Fuego]

pretty low i guess, like i said no wheel gap, front tucks about 1/8" and rear 1/4" of tire, on 17s a 45 series tire will tuck the same as a 17 with 45 is just a high as a 18 with a 40 series tire ...................... and as for taking off the top hats no, those and the spring perches at the bottom hold the spring in place as its not the same shape as the oem springs

[ieathonda]

hmm interesting. i just looked at the hypercoils. what diameter did you go with? other than that, it sounds pretty solid

[Soo__Fuego]

you have to get the 2.5" i.d and 4" length and then whatever spring rate you want

[ieathonda]

alright thanks alot for the help. one last question.... what are you fr/rr spring rates? i know skunk 2 springs are 400 in the front and 300 (general guess, i dont remember exactly but they are in those ranges) and if stiffening up the rear would help as well.

[Soo__Fuego]

i went 500lbs on the hyperco, since i was gonna run these all the way down i didnt wanna hit bumpstops so easy, the stiffer spring kinda helps stay off bumpstops, BUT the 500lbs is a lil on the firm side (it dosent bother me though) and for fwd you ideally want the same spring rate f/r or have the rear higher than front, so the 500lbs front with the rear at 6kg/mm (336lbs i think :confused:)of the skunk2 springs is not the most ideal setup for auto-x or road racing, but its the price i choose to pay to ride low so screw it:wiggle:


i may change the spring rate when i decide on another suspension setup though

[ieathonda]

i needz dump! i dont think i will ever autox haha. and youre all the way down on the coilovers too?

[Soo__Fuego]

yeah .......................... but because our cars are so high stock (fvcken toyota:fawk:) when this low we pretty much have no suspension travel, so you hit the bump stops easily, but if i could, id do it all over again:gap:

[ieathonda]

hahah, i think they mixed up their truck line of springs into our cars... fail!!!

hmm, i dont bottom out unless hitting a BIG ass dip. i think i still have 2 or 3 inches to go on the shafts. heheh. alright im set on suspension. i guess i will go with that setup until i can actually afford coilovers.

[Soo__Fuego]

sweet, but fyi the 500lbs was sorda an experiment, im not sure if its the best, i wouldnt mind trying 400-450lbs to see the difference, so thats really up to you ............ g-luck

[poonsport707]

PICs please. I am curious of how tuck is going look. Its gonna be sic.
And for those grip freaks, in a fwd, ideally you'll want the back to be stiffer than the front. Reason is that if the back is softer than the front, the weight transfers to the outside rear wheel (initial turn-in). Then the back will follow the front at a slower rate (mid-turn). When energy is absorbed in the back, then less energy or force is in the front equals less turning force therefore, UNDER UNDER UNDER UNDER, cuz the momentum of the car will follow weight and force at the exit of the turn. (Like snowboarding, when you take some weight off the front foot = less turning force, making it harder to turn).The back is suppose to be somewhat stiffer than the front so that the back will slide a lil bit along wit the car as if the car is almost rwd. At this, instead of absorbing energy at the rear outside wheel, the direction of this energy will just transfer to a different direction (causing the rear to step out). OVER OVER OVER. When the back is stiffer, there is less weight transfer to the back and less energy is absorbed. Therefore, faster transitions, less squad, more balanced and can yield proper balance for cross weight (Cross weight matters a lot for track racing or racing wit high g's). Wit front softer and the rear stiffer, this may cause the car to oversteer somewhat (yes, Celica can drift very nicely). Also, its easier to put power down to the pavement. To make handling more neutral, make sure to mod sway bars and strut tower bars (especially the rear 3pt. strut bar), cuz the rear is a bit loose and can feel nervous at times.
For the record, I have Tein SS-P wit 390lbs springs 10/16 turn for the struts up front and 509lbs in the rear wit 12/16 turn on the strut and both front and rear are dropped at the lowest setting. I have strut bars front and back, but somehow, I like driving w/o them, cuz the car feel looser and the rear steps out a lil harder. And yes, mine is a daily driver and its not overkill wit this springs (my a$$ probably can handle an extra hundred more lbs or so to the front and rear springs). I will try to post a freeway junction 3 turns esses drift vid on youtube when I have the chance.
P.S. If you think softer rear springs/stiffer front springs handles better than stiffer rear/softer front setup. Please put in your Grand Turismo or Forza MS and play wit the suspension settings. Just give it a try, and you maybe in for a surprise. It'll be fun, and you may learn something. Have fun. Hope it made sense to ya.

[Soo__Fuego]

oh wow, thank you for, all that:ugh:

:laugh:

and like i already told him, that spring rate i went with matched with standard skunk2 rear spring is not good for handling, my car has mad amount of understeer, but like i explained i had to to keep from hitting bump stops every time i went over a twig on the road, i will switch the rear to higher rate than the front as soon as i figure out how to use a 2.5"/65mm i.d spring in the rear