Scion news

[Motor]

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/14/scion-xa-and-xb-dead-in-december-two-new-models-by-spring
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/09/06_scion_xb_xa.jpg
Toyota has announced that production of its 2006 Scion xA and xB will end in December, and that the two economy cars that kicked things off for Scion will be replaced next spring by two all-new models wearing 2008 badges. That means technically speaking Scion will have but a single car available for model year 2007, the tC coupe.

Scion's vice president Mark Templin gave no other information regarding the upcoming replacements, except their estimated time of arrival. The success of the Scion brand can be largely attributed to the splash made by the xA and xB when they hit U.S. shores in June of 2004. Since then Scion has sold 72,011 units of the xA and 139,091 units of the boxy xB.

I'm going to miss the xB, and I never cared for the xA. I wonder what we'll get.
Maybe one of these:
http://tinypic.com/j6u70y.jpg
http://tinypic.com/j6u72a.jpg
http://tinypic.com/j6u77o.jpg
or,
http://www.allscion.com/images/2005nycarshow/t2B_4.gif
or,
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/2089.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/2091.jpg
or,
http://www.kallock.com/images/large/burningman4.jpg
:crazy2: :laugh:

Discuss. :eatpop:

[emotart]

god the last picture is ugly as hell.

[LightningRod]

:laugh:

[Gas-n-Grease]

i wonder if that one MR Scion rumor is true....

[Blue Bomber]

http://www.kallock.com/images/large/burningman4.jpg Ooh, when did they come out with a lift kit for the xB? :eek: :drool: :chuckles:

[drewd]

That thing is fugly

[Joey03_VVT-I]

The SCION Fuse looks nice!

[Carbonized_GT]

Toyota has announced that production of its 2006 Scion xA and xB will end in December

THANK GOD


and that the two economy cars that kicked things off for Scion will be replaced next spring by two all-new models wearing 2008 badges. That means technically speaking Scion will have but a single car available for model year 2007, the tC coupe.

****

[emotart]

i wonder if they will ever make a TS


Toyota Supra sytle one...

[drewd]

That box on wheels looks like a mix of the PoopTunnel Cruiser and the old Xb, and the "car" Looks like a mix of all and a 350z...and we know they're all going to be substantially underpowered as usual.

[neological]

That box on wheels looks like a mix of the PoopTunnel Cruiser and the old Xb, and the "car" Looks like a mix of all and a 350z...and we know they're all going to be substantially underpowered as usual.

Who knows, recently Toyota has been rethinking the whole "substantially underpowered" thing.

[imp]

wow...all of those look like crap

[BOMtastic]

wow still look like ****...shocking

[techgeekwill]

I doubt the bB in its current JDM form will come here, it will probably be cleaned up and made more attractive to old people since they are the ones that buy them. The xA will probably be another POS based on the yaris this time with the same squatty 4 banger. I expect the xB to get a bump, possibly a 1zz.

I posted on scionlife asking a couple of q's becuase I was looking into xB's. Those guys are all kinds of up in themselves. They seem to think that their cars are gold and sell for as much as they do new. They can't quite grasp the concept that they have been hypnotized by mass media, clever advertising, and are now stuck driving one of the ugliest, smallest pieces of shiat on the road.

[robare99]

This looks badass

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/2089.jpg

The rear looks kinda weird on the same car.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/2091.jpg

[SlamminS85]

the substantially underpowered comment was not needed and not true really. I just got done driving around a new Camry XLE, and that thing has POWER, it is amazing. I can spin the tires in every gear change and its an automatic

[imp]

^^^what does a camry have to do with a new scion econobox?

[ahnjae]

they are all horrible looking....but i do have to say the interior in that box car looks pretty neat!!

[LightningRod]

:stupid:

The interior looks great ... but we all know that it won't make it to final production.

[celicajonz]

the Tc looks like a*s!!!

[techgeekwill]

:stupid:

The interior looks great ... but we all know that it won't make it to final production.


That is final production. Look on the JP Toyo site and you will see.

[techgeekwill]

the Tc looks like a*s!!!


That is not the next tC. That is the Fuse concept. It seems to give a clue as to what the next few gen's of scion's will be heading to.

[Ch33z]

ok so...they gonna kill the xA and xB when they are boostin Scion's sale and gonna replace them with those ****s? they think people will actually buy those ****ty lookin cars over the xA and xB?

[canton_ph34r]

people auctually bought the xA and xB when most of us thought who in their f***ing right mind would buy one

[LightningRod]

:stupid:

The interior looks great ... but we all know that it won't make it to final production.

That is final production. Look on the JP Toyo site and you will see.

My bad.

people auctually bought the xA and xB when most of us thought who in their f***ing right mind would buy one

Yeppers. It's all in Toyota's marketing.

[techgeekwill]

people auctually bought the xA and xB when most of us thought who in their f***ing right mind would buy one


Most of the people who bought them were retards and old people. They are incredibly sensible for the price/features/economy.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

The interior's pretty tight. The new xA kinda pushes it on a MR2 Spyder with a hard top and a crappy rear-end.

[Motor]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061024/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall
http://us.tnpv.net/2005/WKA200509/WKA2005091357842_pv.jpg
WASHINGTON - Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it was recalling about 30,000 Scion tC sports coupes over concerns that the side air bags could inadvertently deploy if the door is slammed forcefully.

The recall affects about 20 percent of the tCs produced during the 2005 and 2006 model years, Toyota said. The vehicle is only sold in the United States.

The automaker said seat-mounted side air bags and side curtain air bags could deploy if the door on that side of the vehicle is closed forcefully while the ignition is on or within 90 seconds of when the ignition is turned off.

Toyota said it has received reports of 17 incidents in which the air bag deployed. No accidents, deaths or injuries have been reported.

Scion, Toyota's youth-oriented brand, will send recall notices to owners next month. Dealers will replace the side air bag sensors at no charge. Consumers can call the automaker at (866) 707-2466.

Do it.

:eatpop:

[vindiCAtor]

Just recall them entirely...for everything...permanently.

Hahah, random side airbags going off in your face.

[TimmyT]

Side impact airbags deployed for a reson. Not random.

In the 17 incidents. Vehicles were in the on position and car doors were slammed. or shut with some force.

[SickCelica696]

Lets go slam some doors at dealers

[vindiCAtor]

Side impact airbags deployed for a reson. Not random.

In the 17 incidents. Vehicles were in the on position and car doors were slammed. or shut with some force.

I didn't think I'd be called out on that but sorry, let me re-phrase, "Hahah, close your door with too much force and you could find a side airbag in your face."

Ridiculous.

[SOAPY]

I should slam my friends tC car doors. It would be hella funny to see if the air bag would deploy. Maybe I should do it while he's still in the car :chuckles:

[SOAPY]

Side impact airbags deployed for a reson. Not random.

In the 17 incidents. Vehicles were in the on position and car doors were slammed. or shut with some force.


Aren't you being alil sensitive here?

[Ch33z]

side air bags add 20HP+

[TimmyT]

My gosh lol. I never thought i'd see some internet bashing on air bags :P They do tend to save lives.

17 incidents out of XXXXXXX amount of tC's sold. heck you can slam your friends door all yah want. I doubt it will happen.

I'm not being sensitve.

Just letting people reading this thread know scion tC airbags will not deploy on thier own.

[epicwolf]

maybe they can just get rid of all the TC and Xb and start making better looking sports cars and more poweful ones.

[vindiCAtor]

maybe they can just get rid of all the TC and Xb and start making better looking sports cars and more poweful ones.
+1

[SOAPY]

My gosh lol. I never thought i'd see some internet bashing on air bags :P They do tend to save lives.

17 incidents out of XXXXXXX amount of tC's sold. heck you can slam your friends door all yah want. I doubt it will happen.

I'm not being sensitve.

Just letting people reading this thread know scion tC airbags will not deploy on thier own.


Its a Joke. You're being sensitive. Stop it. :chuckles:

[Blue Bomber]

17 incidents out of XXXXXXX amount of tC's sold.
The recall affects about 20 percent of the tCs produced during the 2005 and 2006 model years, Toyota said.:eatpop:

[LightningRod]

:laugh:

[Motor]

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/FREE/61026003/1041/LATESTNEWS
LOS ANGELES -- Scion was designed to fill a quirky, dedicated corner of the Toyota dealership.

But with nearly every Toyota and Scion model on a winning streak, dealers are scrambling to find space for their youth-oriented brand.

For instance, dealer Dave Wilson wanted to keep Scion inside his Toyota of Orange store in California. He bought a bowling alley and eight acres across the street and will use that space for parts and service. Wilson's Toyota and Scion showrooms will expand into the vacated parts and service space.

Scion already outsells several brands - Mini, Suzuki, Mitsubishi - that want dealers to erect stand-alone stores. But Scion was always meant to be inside the Toyota dealership. That way, returning Scion customers might make the jump to Toyota.

"We haven't changed our philosophy," says Mark Templin, Scion vice president. "But we've needed to be creative in some markets."

Toyota Division expects all its dealers to renovate their showrooms by 2010 under an architectural plan called Image USA II. That plan calls for a greatly enlarged Scion space, including an entrance separate from the Toyota showroom. So far 85 dealerships have made the changes.

Toyota Division sold 1.6 million vehicles in 2003, the last year before Scion's national launch. This year Toyota and Scion likely will sell about 2.2 million units, while adding just a handful of dealerships since 2003. That means dealership space is tight, especially for stores with limited real estate.

Currently, 918 out of 1,222 Toyota dealerships have the Scion franchise. All but 45 Scion dealerships have the showroom inside the Toyota dealership. Almost all the others have converted an adjacent used-car showroom for Scion.

One bathroom, 400 people

Dealers with older showrooms have felt the strain the most.

In Microsoft Corp.'s backyard, Michael's Toyota-Scion in Bellevue, Wash., sold 2,600 new units last year from an outdated 19,000-square-foot showroom on just 2.9 acres. Space was so tight that two service stalls were converted into Scion retail space. But that still didn't leave room for demo cars, says General Manager Erik Paulson.

The overwhelmed Toyota dealer snatched up a Safeway grocery store two miles away when the supermarket's 40-year lease expired. After spending $39 million on land and renovation of the 82,000-square-foot supermarket, the dealership moved. Michael's Toyota sales target is now 3,500 vehicles.

More important, the expansion short-circuited a mild Toyota threat to place another dealer in nearby Issaquah, Paulson said.

"The old store had no customer parking and one bathroom for 400 guests a day. There was absolutely no room for Scion," he says. "Now Scion has 1,500 square feet all to itself."

Nancy Davies, vice president for retail market development for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., says dealers are losing their resistance to moving parts and service off-site, in order to keep Toyota and Scion sales together.

But not everyone agrees.

Gresham (Ore.) Scion is one of only four Scion dealers located off-site. It is across the street from the main Toyota store.

Dealer principal Mike Chaney wanted to keep the stores separate. Scion's one-price policy might conflict with the more traditional Toyota negotiating process, he thought. Several dealers with no room to expand have contacted him about the logistics of running a Scion store away from the mother ship, he says.

Although there is room to place Scion inside his Toyota store, Chaney is holding back.

"Would I change if Toyota told me to? Sure, but I'm doing pretty well this way," Chaney says. The suburban Portland dealer currently sells 250 new Toyotas, 30 new Scions and 500 used cars a month.

Move the trucks instead?

Lewis Toyota-Scion in Topeka, Kan., has undergone three renovations since 1995 and already is looking to expand from a renovation completed just last year. The dealership wants to keep Toyota and Scion together.

Says Lewis General Manager Steve Cain: "Some dealers in the Midwest who are running out of room may create separate Toyota truck centers, which makes more sense than splitting off Scion."

Other dealers have had to be creative with their real estate holdings.

Multiline dealer Norris Bishton rotated his franchises. He moved Garden Grove (Calif.) Toyota-Scion into his larger Nissan store and placed Nissan into a Ford store vacated by AutoNation.

"The feeling is that people who purchase a Scion come back later and purchase a Toyota," Bishton says. "The dealers want Scion to stay within the Toyota showroom, to keep it in the family."

Oh, what a feeling. :eatpop:

[neological]

About a million people told me "Scion will be a failure" when they first announced it.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

About a million people told me "Scion will be a failure" when they first announced it.

:werd:

That's what I thought myself. I thought about getting it myself until I actually saw the thing in real life.

[SOAPY]

I was one of those people who believed that.... :chuckles: oh well

[marc]

I'd still never be caught dead in one

[BrianGTS]

I'd still never be caught dead in one

surprising considering the power gains on a tC when you TRUBO IT!

[Motor]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116313070935919553.html
A Way Cool Strategy: Toyota's Scion Plans To Sell Fewer Cars

Scion, Toyota Motor Corp.'s youth-focused small-car brand, has decided it is too hot for its own good.

The brand is on track to beat its 150,000-car-a-year sales goal by 25,000 vehicles in 2006. That is a big reason why Toyota has surpassed DaimlerChrysler AG this year to become the No. 3 auto maker in the U.S. in sales.

But instead of riding that momentum to increase sales still further, Scion plans to throttle back production to keep sales from going above 150,000 vehicles next year. It is part of marketing strategy to keep the brand special and, above all, cool.

Lyly Lao, who works in sales at West Covina Scion in California, approves. "I agree with the strategy," she says. "Everybody is trying to be different, so it's important for Scion to not put too many cars out there, or they will be everywhere."

Scion also plans to retire the tiny xA hatchback and the current generation of the boxy xB wagon, dubbed "The Toaster" by some fans. Sales for both models are up about 20% for the first 10 months of this year, according to Autodata Corp. The xA is gone, but the xB will return in a next-generation form, although Scion would not disclose details about the new model, which will be introduced next year.

To better position it as an "underground" brand, Scion over the past year has reduced its television advertising -- never very significant to begin with -- to a narrow range of late-night and obscure programs, like shows on Cartoon Network's late-night "Adult Swim" programming. (On the Oct. 29 episode of "Frisky Dingo" on "Adult Swim," a Scion tC was talked about by the show's characters.) Now it is re-evaluating that strategy and may completely get rid of television advertising so it can focus more on experiential marketing, including event marketing and branded entertainment. Scion already launched its own music label for emerging artists and its own clothing line called Scion Release.

Simon Needham, co-founder of Scion's agency ATTIK, says that in today's digital-recorder age, traditional television commercials aren't very effective and are even less so with Scion's target audience. "I literally TiVo everything so I don't even watch my own commercials," he says.

Scion is so concerned about being up to the moment and beyond that it has moved its online social-networking marketing focus from myspace.com to secondlife.com because it viewed the News Corp. property as too mainstream. "Because we no longer have to focus on brand awareness, we can be even more edgy and more risky," says Mark Templin, vice president of Scion.

George Peterson, president of marketing research firm AutoPacific Inc., applauds Scion's moves but questions whether dealers will support Scion's sales decision to put a lid on sales. Mr. Peterson estimates Scion could sell as many as 250,000 vehicles a year if the brand lifted production controls.

"How can you get off the drug when you have really popular cars like the xB?" Mr. Peterson asks. "It's a bold strategy because it will be tough to hold their volumes."

Ms. Lao of West Covina Scion says her dealership has waiting lists for Scion vehicles. "We are selling them as soon as we get them," she says.

She also knows that Scion dealers are helped by the additional profit gained from the sale of accessories. Most Scion buyers customize their vehicles, and Ms. Lao says many of the dealer's customers come to the store once a month to purchase a new after-market product such as body-side graphics and roof racks for snowboards or bikes.

For Toyota, Scion's importance isn't so much added volume as it is bridging the gap to younger buyers who consider the company's mainline Toyota brand vehicles too stodgy. About 80% of people who buy a Scion have never had a Toyota. And when Scion owners trade in their vehicle, eight of the top 10 vehicles they opt for next are either Scions or other Toyota models.

In its continuing efforts for ultimate coolness, Scion has been concentrating on developing a presence on secondlife.com, an online 3-D world that is created and owned by secondlife.com users, who are represented by avatars. But now, General Motors Corp.'s Pontiac brand has discovered secondlife.com and has created Motorati Island, which offers users a place to build a car culture in the online community.

Mr. Needham of ATTIK says it's a "24/7 headache" to constantly come up with the new thing that most people haven't heard about yet. "Today it's cool, but tomorrow it's not," he says. "So we have to move that quickly to retain credibility. As soon as I start hearing about something too much, I'm over it."

But Mr. Needham says the challenge is tempered by Scion's Mr. Templin, who "has the guts to put his feet into something that might not work."
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/MK-AH423_SCION_20061109213731.gif

:laugh:

[SOAPY]

ok....thats a weird strategy...:wtf::chuckles:

[Motor]

ok....thats a weird strategy...:wtf::chuckles:

Scions will be rare and unique like Lambo's hahahaha....

[SOAPY]

Scion like Lambos.....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::ro fl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Only if 99% burst into flames and explode into small chunks of metal....then it'll be "RARE" :chuckles:

[BLUENUBIAN]

It's more a matter of being unique than rare. I'm kind of looking forward to the next gen of Scions.

[jlitman]

Screw that! How about doing something really "edgy" and "unique" like building a relatively inexpensive, FR sports coupe that handles well and has TRD support :furious:

[LightningRod]

I agree with the strategy. Everybody is trying to be different, so it's important for Scion to not put too many cars out there, or they will be everywhere.

Where AREN'T they found? :laugh:

[Motor]

It's more a matter of being unique than rare.

I know, I was being silly.

Screw that! How about doing something really "edgy" and "unique" like building a relatively inexpensive, FR sports coupe that handles well and has TRD support :furious:

If you want TRD support sell the Celica and get either a Tacoma, Tundra or a FJ Cruiser.

[SOAPY]

I agree with the strategy. Everybody is trying to be different, so it's important for Scion to not put too many cars out there, or they will be everywhere.

Where AREN'T they found? :laugh:


The Moon! Tho I might be wrong....:confused:

[SickCelica696]

Toyota is smart and they'll make this plan work. They are soon to be #1.

[neological]

Scion like Lambos.....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::ro fl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Only if 99% burst into flames and explode into small chunks of metal....then it'll be "RARE" :chuckles:
The point is not to be rare, but to be somewhat limited. Luxury car companies used to use this strategy before every car on the market was "luxury." I'll bet any amount of money Scion will grow increasingly more profitable.

Beats 50 Bob Seger/Chevy commercials during footbal every sunday.

[TRD_Celica00]

yea......"cool"

[SOAPY]

Scion like Lambos.....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::ro fl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Only if 99% burst into flames and explode into small chunks of metal....then it'll be "RARE" :chuckles:
The point is not to be rare, but to be somewhat limited. Luxury car companies used to use this strategy before every car on the market was "luxury." I'll bet any amount of money Scion will grow increasingly more profitable.

Beats 50 Bob Seger/Chevy commercials during footbal every sunday.


hmmm.... that makes alot sense. My gripe is that they're doing this strategy with Scion. It doesn't seem right. :wtf:

[jdm_trd99]

rare and unique? no, ugly? yes.

[techgeekwill]

It will be very interesting to see how this turns out.

Back when the brand first came to market, it was hard to find one. Now xA's and xB's are common.

With the next gen econoboxes coming Q1 '07, this is a smart move. They can justify a price hike due to supply and demand.

The bad thing is that big headed scion owners have a reason to gloat some more.

[drewd]

Hmm. That marketing seemed to work on me. I bought the celica because A. sexy B.not everyone has one. Scion has failed on both already :chuckles:

[Arctic-GTS]

Scion... too common already up north here.
And I agree with drewd. I bought the Celica cuz noone here had one, and the chicks drooled over it. ;)

[CEGONAX-MAN]

The only good cars Toyota produced was the:

SUPRA
MR2
CELICA.....That's about it.....Now they SUCK!!! :furious:

[LightningRod]

The only good cars Toyota produced was the:

SUPRA
MR2
CELICA.....That's about it.....Now they SUCK!!! :furious:


Don't forget your Rav4, Captain Obvious.

[CEGONAX-MAN]

Don't forget your Rav4, Captain Obvious.

Oh yea the RAV4 I use it for long trip's to Seattle and Texas or Florida.
and my celi as a daily drive to work and home. Hehe. It's pretty Obvious eh!

[SOAPY]

Yeah as OBVIOUS as the fact you don't have Celica. Captain Liesalot... :chuckles:

[CEGONAX-MAN]

Yeah as OBVIOUS as the fact you don't have Celica. Captain Liesalot... :chuckles:

:furious:...................LOL! :rofl:

[02celica]

Oh great cego you come to seattle?!?!?!?!?!?!?! oh lord its a disgrace to live in seattle now :(

[SOAPY]

^^I know how you feel try having him live in the same city as you and see how you feel about the idiot count tripling. Idiots like him make wanna move out of San Diego. :chuckles:

[02celica]

^^I know how you feel try having him live in the same city as you and see how you feel about the idiot count tripling. Idiots like him make wanna move out of San Diego. :chuckles:

:chuckles: in a FI thread he said hes glad he doesnt have turbo on his celica.... and the post is from like 4 days ago? :wtf: he must like to dream about his "celica"
:jerkoff: :jerkoff:

[SOAPY]

^^LOL! In the so cal forum he was talking about having a Magnum like he was badass mother****er. Straight up hilarious stuff. E-thugging all the way! :rofl:

[02celica]

^^LOL! In the so cal forum he was talking about having a Magnum like he was badass mother****er. Straight up hilarious stuff. E-thugging all the way! :rofl:

you should have seen him on AGC. omg
:sadpace: :sadpace: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nono:

[imp]

Oh yea the RAV4 I use it for long trip's to Seattle and Texas or Florida.
and my celi as a daily drive to work and home. Hehe. It's pretty Obvious eh!
Then why did you say you traded the celi for the rav4? and a thread saying you wrecked the celi? and a thread saying you couldnt get approved for a loan on a celi because you owed like 35k?

[02celica]

why would you changed from a celica which gets good gas mileage to a rav-4 SUV thats a gas guzzler for long trips :wtf:

[SOAPY]

why would you changed from a celica which gets good gas mileage to a rav-4 SUV thats a gas guzzler for long trips :wtf:


Especially if you take trips by yourself because of zero friends ratio. :chuckles:

[02celica]

Especially if you take trips by yourself because of zero friends ratio. :chuckles:

:chuckles: lol
:laugh:

[SCIKOTIC]

Im one of those scion owners. Not big headed or anything but im glad i dont have another civic or eclipse. For the price of a tC i cant complain. I like the plan to make them more limited and i believe its more about where your at and personal opinion. Some say scions are ugly. Well i have a tC so i cant say its not ugly with out being bias but the box and xa aren't my style. My boys in my club have made them pretty hot. I know scion owners that will bash a celica all day about the body kit and hood scoop large wing and will swear up and down they're slow and come riced out already. That was the celicas gimick. I beat lightly moded gt's all day when i was stock gts of the line i raped em but they have high end and will come back. All in all its the platform you start with. If they made a 07 celica gts not tC's i would have one. actually no i woulda got a SI for that but those arent imortal. (I've seen celicas and tc's beat those with I/h/E) I had a 92 gts but it died on me and my neighbor has a 05 gt and he is also in my club. Scion is a gimick that is working a little to well. Where i goto college there are more celicas than civics, tc's, and neons. Where i used to live scions were every where but celicas aren't that far behind. In my own i couldnt see paying 22k for a gts. It gets great gas milage, good resale and has 180 horses but tq needs love. Other than that if you look at the consumer reports or car and driver reviews the celica has failed in several areas compared not only to the tc but rsx, ser, and of course the srt 4. If i offended anyone i appologize but i cant speak for the other scions or how the celica isnt getting the publicity like the tc but the tc starting at less than a celica gt at 16,400 its just personal. I have girls "creaming" over my car, the dumb eye lids, the entire glass roof, my cheap pioneer system, reclining rear seats, my aftermarket looking stock 17's, and most of all my interior materials. once again i gotta protect my vehicle of choice at this point in time from vehicular slander. sorry if i upset anyone. Thank you for hearing me out

[SOAPY]

Dude! You're not staying on topic here. Unless you're gonna flame CEGONAX-MAN then stop talking. I don't care if you make some Scion fanboys cream in their panties :wtf: It's just weird... So stop it. Ok?

[SCIKOTIC]

Dude! You're not staying on topic here. Unless you're gonna flame CEGONAX-MAN then stop talking. I don't care if you make some Scion fanboys cream in their panties :wtf: It's just weird... So stop it. Ok?
off topic this whole page is off topic man. when was the last time you posted about the marketing plan. You were talking about trips. i dont care whos on topic and i didnt say anything about cegonax. Chill out man you were talking about some of the same things i said. You suppsed to be a forum bully or something. Your works are hurting your credibility

[blitzceli]

Im one of those scion owners. Not big headed or anything but im glad i dont have another civic or eclipse. For the price of a tC i cant complain. I like the plan to make them more limited and i believe its more about where your at and personal opinion. Some say scions are ugly. Well i have a tC so i cant say its not ugly with out being bias but the box and xa aren't my style. My boys in my club have made them pretty hot. I know scion owners that will bash a celica all day about the body kit and hood scoop large wing and will swear up and down they're slow and come riced out already. That was the celicas gimick. I beat lightly moded gt's all day when i was stock gts of the line i raped em but they have high end and will come back. All in all its the platform you start with. If they made a 07 celica gts not tC's i would have one. actually no i woulda got a SI for that but those arent imortal. (I've seen celicas and tc's beat those with I/h/E) I had a 92 gts but it died on me and my neighbor has a 05 gt and he is also in my club. Scion is a gimick that is working a little to well. Where i goto college there are more celicas than civics, tc's, and neons. Where i used to live scions were every where but celicas aren't that far behind. In my own i couldnt see paying 22k for a gts. It gets great gas milage, good resale and has 180 horses but tq needs love. Other than that if you look at the consumer reports or car and driver reviews the celica has failed in several areas compared not only to the tc but rsx, ser, and of course the srt 4. If i offended anyone i appologize but i cant speak for the other scions or how the celica isnt getting the publicity like the tc but the tc starting at less than a celica gt at 16,400 its just personal. I have girls "creaming" over my car, the dumb eye lids, the entire glass roof, my cheap pioneer system, reclining rear seats, my aftermarket looking stock 17's, and most of all my interior materials. once again i gotta protect my vehicle of choice at this point in time from vehicular slander. sorry if i upset anyone. Thank you for hearing me out

The tc sucks in just about every aspect, except the price and the radio. The tc handles like a tank.It as decent power but the weight to power ratio kills it, so it is back to square one. The xb looks like a lunch box on wheels, the xa is a joke. The scion is the new civic plain and simple. I can count about 300-400 tc's in 1 day. I highly doubt there are more celicas around than tc. I live by ucf that has close to 38,000 living on campus and in the surrounding area (not counting the other 3-4000 living on the outskirts) That is just college students, not counting the locals. I only see a handful of celicas in a day. I dont know if you are aware that the celica isnt being made anymore while the scions are still being cranked out. About the aftermarket support for the scions, why do you think that is? Because the car is cheap and alot of people buy them mainly based on that fact and gets mpgs, so more people having the car will generate compaines to produce more parts b/c of the high probablity of them buying aftermarket, creating a big aftermarket support. So the celica doesnt get alot of aftermarket support only b/c it isnt a buyers market. You have to be a complete idiot to produce parts that only a few want to buy. So the lack of celica support is due to a low buyer market. However it is slowly growing... If your here to learn more about the celica then cool, I wouldnt try to defend the scion anymore, bc alot of people dislike the car and nothing will change their mind.

Yes it is sad cego is a old man who is 38k in debt, got shut down by the dealship, drives a rav 4, has no friends and lies about having a celica to make friends....

[SOAPY]

Dude! You're not staying on topic here. Unless you're gonna flame CEGONAX-MAN then stop talking. I don't care if you make some Scion fanboys cream in their panties :wtf: It's just weird... So stop it. Ok?
off topic this whole page is off topic man. when was the last time you posted about the marketing plan. You were talking about trips. i dont care whos on topic and i didnt say anything about cegonax. Chill out man you were talking about some of the same things i said. You suppsed to be a forum bully or something. Your works are hurting your credibility


Can you read?! I'm joking around. We're flaming a complete idiot and your talking about the tC again. The fact your in love with tC is typical ricer mentality and should stop it now before this whole forum flames you to the point of not coming back to NC.org ever again. Like Blitzceli said defending scion is a bad idea here. I'm sure you don't wanna become a Cego or 140gt. :chuckles:

[SCIKOTIC]

Yo im done this is a waste from both of us. Its crazy cause i have raced people and know what a tc does and I've been told theres no hope for things i've done "stock" oh and that sti i was refering to wasnt stock, bigger turbo and fuel managment just for reference. I white flag man i know what forum im on and the threats of flaming dont really bother me or the cego 140gt thing. I have no idea whats that is. I have already talked to the people i game here to find info from but i do plan on asking you a few questions about celicas because i think you know enough to be dependable about them is that cool.

[SOAPY]

hey all good. I'm not here to scare you off and stuff just remember don't get too defensive the fight ain't worth it cus you'll always lose somehow ( I've been owned a few times here so its not a big thing). I'm not here to just to flame people but I'm blatantly honest with my opinions and views but I'm sure you found that out already. Just don't come off as an asshat and that people won't always agree and everything will be ok for you here. Hope you'll learn alot here :thumbup:

[SCIKOTIC]

I will and thanks for the info.

[02celica]

C3g0 = biggest douche on planet.... lmao hes one of those guys that sits at home all day and wishes he had money to get a now 15kish car.. how sad..

[SCIKOTIC]

wow i feel stupid now. lol thanks

[SOAPY]

don't worry about it.

[02celica]

don't worry about it.

yah

just dont become a cego and say you have things you dont.. if you dont youl be fine
:wiggle: :headbang: :wave:

[Nasty_impulse]

Cego sounds like my stepdad,27K in debt, tells people he has a c6 corvette when all he has is 5 AMC's and a ****ty cherokee.

[02celica]

Cego sounds like my stepdad,27K in debt, tells people he has a c6 corvette when all he has is 5 AMC's and a ****ty cherokee.

haha whats your stepdad's name?
:chuckles:

[CEGONAX-MAN]

I'm sorry man but there is nothing sport coupe about the scion tc more like a sadan type. Whoever came up with car idea was on a massive crack addiction.

[Motor]

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/17/spy-report-inside-scions-big-miami-beach-product-reveal
This weekend, Scion flew 328 owners to Miami Beach, which served as the backdrop for an invitation-only reveal of the replacement for the xA and the brand-new xB. The event happened Friday night at the Miami Beach Convention Center (if you go to the CC's website, you'll see that 12/15 was booked for a "private event"), and we're fortunate enough to bring you a full report on the goings-on from an attendee.

Sorry folks, there are no pictures to show you, as cameras and phones were strictly prohibited, but our spy gave us very detailed descriptions of the cars that were revealed. Want to know more? Follow the jump for the skinny.

As we said, the venue was the Miami Beach Convention Center, and the event was presided over by Mark Templin, vice president of Scion. The room was loaded with highly-modified existing Scions, the FUSE concept that made its debut at the New York Auto Show back in April, and a pair of cars that were hidden under covers. Guests were treated to an open bar and plenty of free food prior to the big show.

Shortly thereafter, Templin kicked off the event by introducing actor Rainn Wilson of The Office, who spoke briefly and presented awards to some of the invited guests. From there, Templin ushered everyone to the area where the covered vehicles were for the evening's main event.

Scion xD

The Scion xA is no more. Templin's first reveal was its replacement, dubbed xD. Like it's predecessor, it is a four-door with a vertically opening rear hatch. The C-pillar on the car shown was said to be around a foot-and-a-half wide, with no windows on the sides of the cargo area. Our spy says that the xD is definitely larger than the xA, and has a profile reminiscent of Toyota's Matrix, and that the rear end was evocative of the Mazda3.

The xD's hood stretched down over the vehicle's front end a bit, and sported conventional headlights. The car's foglights, were deceiving, however. At first glance, they simply look like plain covers where the fogs would normally reside, but a closer look revealed a cluster of around fifteen 5mm LEDs. The fogs were never illumionated during the reveal.

Inside, drivers get a floor-mounted shifter, and cupholders are built into all four doors. The show car was lowered and wore a body kit designed by Five Axis (creators of the 2005 xA Speedster concept). The lowering springs and body kit will be available through Scion. The car was painted bright red, and some interior panels were color-matched, but it's unknown whether or not that's standard. Templin made no announcements regardsing a release date or pricing, and our spy believed that the xD may still need a little work, as an uneven hood gap was spotted on the car shown.

Our spy also specifically noted that the xD is not a copy of the Auris, which some people had apparently expected.

Scion xB

Unlike its stablemate, the xB keeps its name, and despite a softening of its overall look, it's said to be unmistakably an xB. It's body configuration is unchanged, but it is larger in every dimension. Like the xD, the rear glass and c/d pillar are replaced by a wide C-pillar that obscures the car's cargo area. Those rear windows housed an embedded antenna in the old xB, and their absence necessitates the installation of a stubby roof-mounted unit at the rear of the car. Staying at the back end of the car for a moment, our source reports that there's a single backup light in the rear bumper on the driver's side.

In front, the car's upright windshield angle closely matches that of the current model, and the new xB also gets a downward-wrapping hood, similar in description to the one featured on the aforementioned xD. The headlamps on the displayed car were projectors. Another new styling element is a ridge that begins at the hood and extends along the sides of the car below the windows. The side glass tapers upward as it stretches further back, and the beltline rises accordingly.

The xB on display was slso dressed in a body kit by Five Axis, and it was finished in a yellow/orange pearl. Inside, it receives a console-mounted shifter similar to the one found in Honda's Element. That console, incidentally, is said to be quite large and illustrative of the xB's overall growth in size. The gauge cluster is once again center-mounted, but it is reportedly better-integrated and appeared to contain more instrumentation than the current car. Like the xD, the xB features cupholders built into its four doors. The plastic textures on the door panels were described as being somewhat classier and shiny-looking (this applied to xD as well).

The xB sported a dual exhaust, which was believed to be part of an available exhaust upgrade (our source caught Templin mentioning something to that effect). Both the xD and xB were equipped with 18" aftermarket wheels, and the cars were presented on rotating displays, with the xB's standing a foot higher than the xD's.

Based on our spy's description, it sounds as if many of the basic styling cues introduced on the t2B concept (shown below) are in place. Time will tell, as we fully expect to see these cars make their public debut during the '07 auto show circuit.

Engines

There's a bit of mystery surrounding the powerplants for the two new Scions. Our spy stated that at the beginning of the presentation, a model opened the hoods of the cars, exposing a plastic engine cover that looked very much like the one fitted over the tC's 2.4L. While the hoods were up, decals on the engine covers read "2ZR-FE." After a couple of minutes, our source said that a male staffer hurredly closed the hoods on both cars. During his presentation, Templin announced that a supercharger will be available.

And that, friends, sums it up. After the presentation, guests were treated to an hour-long live performance by Ludacris, and were shuttled off to a nightclub for a post-event party. We'll keep our ears to the ground for more news, as we're sure gossip was flying during the Hot Import Nights staged at the Convention Center yesterday.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/12/scion_t2b_01.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/12/scion_t2b_03.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/12/scion_t2b_04.jpg

Discuss. :eatpop:

[jlitman]

Cars, bricks, etc. as noted in the Honda concept thread.

[Blue Bomber]

Lemmings will flock to them...

[MetaPhorse]

~throws up~

[CEGONAX-MAN]

Celica :puke: Scion

[Carbonized_GT]

:piss:

[neological]

I think it's somewhat original. I like it.

[SOAPY]

It's weird looking but not that bad

[homeworld1031tx]

I think it's somewhat original. I like it.

Agreed.
Not nearly as bad as the first gen xB. From the side profile, it almost has some of the design cues of Elements. Interior actually looks feasible (as in a production model) minus the neon lights. Ford tried that out too a year ago if i rememeber correctly? Some concept car they had.
Any pics of the xD?

[Gas-n-Grease]

probably Daihatsu's 3SZ-VE or K3-VE like the Japanese bB..../ Daihatsu Materia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Daihatsu_Materia_white_vr_2006_EMS.jpg/767px-Daihatsu_Materia_white_vr_2006_EMS.jpg
ooo how i would love to see a bB with a Daihatsu Materia emblem :chuckles: ...

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

Wow, that looks really different. But I like the idea. It's unique.

[BrianGTS]

I attended that event. That spy missed a few things and was quite a bit wrong about others.

Troy the owner of 5 Axis was the one who had them shut the hoods I believe.
When the unveiled the cars, it was really hard to tell whether or not the xD is larger or smaller than the xA because they had them up on rotating platforms. I will say that the rear seats have been moved forward to make for more trunk space. Interiors look alot nicer.

It was hard to tell what was OEM and what wasnt because 5 axis did these cars up completely. They werent really wild, but there were many tasteful mods done to make the cars look great. The xB had 19" Volks on it which didnt look like 19s until I read the tire size. The xB also had projector headlights which Im sure will bring the fanboys. I am an xB owner and I had to say, I think I liked the xD a little better.

It was also tough to judge because there was free open bar which I took full advantage of.

Celebs there:
Chris Rado
Ludacris performed
Troy from 5 Axis
Jenna Jameson - was staying in my hotel, ran into her in the lobby
UFC fighter "Ortiz" - I dont know his first name

Miami was nuts and I didnt have to pay for any of it. Scion takes care of their owners for sure.

[CEGONAX-MAN]

These foreiner's are taking over!!! :AF:

[imp]

^^^ :confused:

[Zero]

Wasn't there a thread that talked about how that 2nd gen xB was the result of a tC and xB appearance combination?

[peeper06]

is scion seriously going to go through the entire alphabet? creativity FTL

[Motor]

Scion will stage the world premiere of the second-generation xB and the all-new xD at the 2007 Chicago Auto Show.

The Scion press conference will take place on Thursday, February 8 at 9:00 A.M. CT in the Grand Ballroom in McCormick Place, with a live simulcast to the Scion display area at the show.

A video clip of the Chicago press conference will be available for viewing the following day on the Scion.com website.

I'm looking forward to this.

Discuss. :eatpop:

[Carbonized_GT]

my prediction.

Cardboard box. Painted. 4 wheels and a scooter engine.

[TRDoug]

Haha!!!!!!!!

[Zero]

People can't actually think that the Scion bB and the tC fusion looks good. :puke:

[mukalicious]

i like the bb. i dont know if id ever buy one, but the insides are roomy as hell.

[iceCold_GT-s]

Yay, now instead of a really boxy box-car we get a smooth box-car. :rolleyes:

I do like the interior of it though, but without the whole neon light scheme

[Motor]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/05/scion-announces-xb-pricing-starts-at-15-650/
Scion xB Price Announcement

Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc., is excited to announce pricing for the all-new next generation xB urban utility vehicle. It will be arriving at dealerships in early May 2007.

Iconic Style
The all-new 2008 xB will uphold the Scion icon status of the previous generation. It separates itself from the crowd by incorporating distinctive design elements from the t2B concept vehicle. Exterior styling cues include a wide stance, high beltline, elongated headlamps that wrap around the side of the vehicle, inset taillights, rectangular grille, pronounced fenders, and a single rear backup light on the left bumper. The xB also features halogen headlamps with a projector low-beam lamp, tinted rear windows, and turn signals integrated into the side mirrors.

Bigger Box
The xB's driving experience is enhanced by an overall size increase. At the request of current xB owners, the next generation xB dimensions grow significantly in comparison to the current model. The wheelbase increases four inches, overall length increases by a foot, and overall width by almost three inches. Standard 16-inch wheels are one inch larger than its predecessor, and are offered with a choice of three wheel covers. The xB also receives 4-wheel disc brakes, upgrading the rear brakes from drum to disc. A MacPherson strut front and rear torsion beam suspension produces a sporty, yet smooth, comfortable ride.

Performance Boost
xB owners asked for a more powerful engine. Scion responded with an all-new xB equipped with a 2.4 L dual overhead-cam four-cylinder engine with Variable Valve Timing (VVT-i). The engine churns out 158 horsepower, 55 more than the previous generation. It is available with a five-speed manual transmission or four-speed sequential shift automatic, a first for automatic four-speeds in the Scion or Toyota line-up.

Creature Comforts
The xB interior was designed to create a lounge-like feel with a focus on utility, storage, and seating flexibility. The versatile interior provides 21.7 cubic feet of cargo area behind the rear seats. The 60/40 split rear seats fold flat, providing a spacious and flat cargo floor to accommodate larger loads with ease. To further increase cargo space or to take a break and relax, the front seats have the capability to fully recline. A captain's chair style armrest and seat height adjustment are added to the driver's seat for increased comfort.

Cruise control and steering wheel audio controls become standard for the 2008 model year xB. A deep orange illuminated circular 4-dial combination meter includes an LCD speedometer with odometer and trip information. An LCD drive monitor positioned to the left of the speedometer displays outside temperature, driving time, cruising range, average fuel consumption, average vehicle speed, and current fuel consumption. It can be switched to display either a clock or the drive monitor at the push of a button. When the ignition is turned on, the drive monitor and speedometer together display the welcome message "SCION xB". In addition, the heating and cooling system performance has been increased by 10% over the previous generation model, resulting in enhanced cooling performance in the summer heat. The center and side registers now have improved capabilities to direct airflow, yet are much quieter.

The xB's standard 160-watt Pioneer AM/FM/CD audio system is upgraded with direct iPod connectivity and a mini-jack port. iPod song navigation and selection can be controlled from either the controls on the head unit or the steering wheel. While the iPod is connected, the track, artist, and album information is displayed in one-line on the audio screen. xB's optional premium audio system has the added ability to download images, four-second video clips, and eight-second movies onto the head unit. Both audio systems retain key Scion audio system features such as Scion Sound Processing (SSP) where listeners can choose from three pre-set equalizer settings, satellite radio compatibility, MP3 and WMA capability, Automatic Sound Leveling (ASL) and Sound Retouch Technology (SRT), which provides clearer CD sound quality. Both systems feature six speakers, which consists of one tweeter and two speakers in each door panel. An ultra-premium Scion Navigation System (SNS) is also available, taking in-car infotainment to the next level.

xB buyers will discover abundant interior storage in some unconventional locations. A center console box with a front compartment keeps essential items close at hand. The front driver has an easily accessible convenience tray and front door storage, along with a glove box. A fixed storage tray is located under the rear seat to hide away items like umbrellas, magazines, cameras, laptops, cell phone chargers, and CDs. In addition, the cargo area has a practical under floor storage area. Spilled beverages are a thing of the past with double cup-holders integrated in both the front and rear consoles, and bottle holders on the front and rear door pockets.

Standard Safety

* xB offers a broad array of standard safety features, including:
* 4-wheel Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD)
* Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)1 with Traction Control (TRAC) and Brake Assist (BA)
* Driver and front passenger dual stage airbags (SRS)
* Driver and front passenger seat-mounted side airbags
* Front and rear side curtain airbags
* 3-point front seatbelts with force limiters and pretensioners
* 3-point rear seatbelts with Auto/Emergency Locking Retractors (ALR/ELR)
* Direct tire pressure monitor system
* Side impact door beams


Customization
The xB is engineered with special accommodations for customization. Most Scion customers add accessories to personalize their vehicles specifically to their tastes. In order to accommodate customers' needs, holes have been placed on the bumpers and body side to facilitate the addition of aftermarket exterior body enhancements. Sheet metal access holes also exist in the inner side of the rear luggage door to allow for easier rear spoiler installation. In addition, the rear bumper is shaped so no notching is needed when adding an exhaust diffuser. Pre-wires for the front fog light kit allow for a quicker installation with less disassembly, resulting in a higher quality installation. The premium audio unit now comes with standard rear RCA jack outputs for those owners wishing to take their sound system to the next level. They will no longer need to replace the factory audio unit in order to add external amps to enhance the output of their audio/video systems.

1 with VSC OFF switch

Accessories
TMS Corporate Accessories Department, TRD, and Optomize will offer a broad array of accessories that will exceed all Scion /Toyota accessory offerings to date and allow customers to create a vehicle that is both unique and personal.
Coming from CAD will be over 40 accessories, with over 30 available at launch and the remaining scheduled to be available within a few weeks of launch. There are several all-new and exciting genuine accessories such as the Scion Navigation System (SNS), the illuminated door sill plates and DVD headrest monitors which are certain to satisfy Scion owners' desires for cutting edge electronic products.

TRD will offer 17 performance related accessories, including such items as a cold air intake, quick shift kit, suspension package and an exciting new 19-inch alloy wheel and tire package. For the real performance enthusiast a supercharger is in the works. It is expected to boost vehicle performance by more than 20%.

Optomize is poised and ready to fill in where CAD and TRD leave off. We have secured exclusive rights to market and distribute the exciting new body kit by FiveAxis. It will be the only xB body kit on the market at launch. This kit is styled after the FiveAxis xB show car that was on display at the 2007 Chicago Auto Show. In addition to the body kit, Optomize will expand its line up to include more under hood and exterior/interior dress up parts, Scion Release Series accessories and Tuner wear.

Pricing
xB is positioned to attract a youthful buyer that demands a high level of standard equipment and outstanding quality at an affordable price. Considering the increased size, enhanced engine performance, and generous list of standard features, the 2008 xB price is an outstanding value:

MODEL BODY STYLE TRANSMISSION MSRP
6202 5 Dr. Hatchback 4AT w/sequential $16,600
6203 5 Dr. Hatchback 5MT $15,650

xB is mono-spec with no factory options, however customers can personalize their xB with their choice of audio, wheel cover design, and a sizeable list of available genuine Scion accessories. Additional accessories are available through Scion Optomize and TRD.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/26-2008-scion-xb_450.jpg

Bargain?

Discuss. :eatpop:

[Gas-n-Grease]

so it WILL come with the 2AZ. either an ugly box or a tC, huh? wonder how much it weighs now?

[Carbonized_GT]

hmmm $17k used rx8/s2k/350z

oooooooooorrrrrrrr

$15k for a toaster.

[Motor]

hmmm $17k used rx8/s2k/350z

Most buyers won't cross shop those vehicles with the new xB.

[ahnjae]

well its cheaper than a honda element.......

[Nineball]

hmmm $17k used rx8/s2k/350z

Most buyers won't cross shop those vehicles with the new xB.

well its cheaper than a honda element.......


Exactly. Two totally different markets.

[Carbonized_GT]

im just saying, most of the buyers of these cars are 17-25yrs old. I dont know many people in that age group that want a box.

[Ch33z]

hmmm $17k used rx8/s2k/350z

oooooooooorrrrrrrr

$15k for a toaster.


y do people always compare newer cars with used cars? 15K? fuk that ill buy a 86 civic for $200 bucks.

[Carbonized_GT]

See my reply.

im just saying, most of the buyers of these cars are 17-25yrs old. I dont know many people in that age group that want a box.

[emotart]

it looks like a boxy magnum.

[epicwolf]

My feelings for the old version Xb and this version.

EEEEEWWWWW :puke:

if i want a box, i'll get cardboard

[MothTRD]

that box has more power then our gt :gap:

[Gas-n-Grease]

that box has more power then our gt :gap:
how unfortunate, huh? not sure about its weight though. it could likely be just as heavy as a tC.

[epicwolf]

that box has more power then our gt :gap:


i have a gt-s 6 speed.

[neological]

im just saying, most of the buyers of these cars are 17-25yrs old. I dont know many people in that age group that want a box.
I work in a high school and the kids love this thing because it is different and they can actually attain one. Not everyone wants a sports car, some people just want something original looking with personality.

[Carbonized_GT]

East coast and West coast must be different then.

[Nineball]

im just saying, most of the buyers of these cars are 17-25yrs old. I dont know many people in that age group that want a box.
I work in a high school and the kids love this thing because it is different and they can actually attain one. Not everyone wants a sports car, some people just want something original looking with personality.


I must say, I agree with that... It takes a lot of money to have a fast car, and in high school, it's all about looks anyway.

[drewd]

That thing sucks. I'd take a used 350z.

[volkdb350z]

That thing sucks. I'd take a used 350z.


I drive a 350Z....Good call, I would take a wrecked Z with a salvaged title for 16K over that Box!! LOL

check my gallery of pics of my Z...WInk WInk!!

[MR2ish]

I drive a 350Z....Good call, I would take a wrecked Z with a salvaged title for 16K over that Box!! LOL

check my gallery of pics of my Z...WInk WInk!!


I think I'd wait a few years then buy one for like $10K with 30-50K on it. :gap:

[neological]

I drive a 350Z....Good call, I would take a wrecked Z with a salvaged title for 16K over that Box!! LOL

check my gallery of pics of my Z...WInk WInk!!
Quit being a fanboy. Nobody looking at an xB is in the market for a salvaged Z, the markets for the 2 cars are TOTALLY different.

"I'd rather buy a wrecked Porsche 911 than a Land Rover y0!"

[volkdb350z]

Quit being a fanboy. Nobody looking at an xB is in the market for a salvaged Z, the markets for the 2 cars are TOTALLY different.

"I'd rather buy a wrecked Porsche 911 than a Land Rover y0!"


Wow you must have a thing for the XB BOX, you are getting really emotional about it!! :AF:

[volkdb350z]

LOL is a sign of joking around too, you should look into it!

[volkdb350z]

I work in a high school and the kids love this thing because it is different and they can actually attain one. Not everyone wants a sports car, some people just want something original looking with personality.


THis is the Quote of the century!! "Original looking with personality" ITS A BOX where is the creative aspect of it or the personality.. I can see a 18 year old kid picking up his new date, the girl walks out and goes... :hitit:

YEAH RIGHT!! ITs ugly, the TC is a chicks car and the XB is a yuppies car...Do you even own a Celica by the way??

You work in a school.....Are you a Janitor?? LOL

[Motor]

^ I don't even know where to begin. Step away from the keyboard.

[epicwolf]

I must say, I agree with that... It takes a lot of money to have a fast car, and in high school, it's all about looks anyway.


Then why get an xb? It looks ugly and embarrasin to drive. It's different alright.

[epicwolf]

THis is the Quote of the century!! "Original looking with personality" ITS A BOX where is the creative aspect of it or the personality.. I can see a 18 year old kid picking up his new date, the girl walks out and goes... :hitit:

YEAH RIGHT!! ITs ugly, the TC is a chicks car and the XB is a yuppies car...Do you even own a Celica by the way??

You work in a school.....Are you a Janitor?? LOL


i have to agree with you here. At first I thought celicas are chicks car but not many chicks i know drive a modified gt-s 6 speed manual. TC is a total chicks car and XB is the ugliest thing i've seen in years. Its unfortnate that Toyota stop making real sports cars and start focusing on Scions which came up with ugly cars so far. Hopefully Toyota can opened their eyes and create a sports car for an actual Toyota instead of a sister company and start bringin back the supra.

[neological]

THis is the Quote of the century!! "Original looking with personality" ITS A BOX where is the creative aspect of it or the personality.. I can see a 18 year old kid picking up his new date, the girl walks out and goes... :hitit:

You're being obtuse and really ignorant. Try not to get so butthurt next time somebody points out your blatant fanboyism.

btw, nobody gives a sh!t about your Z.

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/Resized1.jpg
Best laugh I have had in awhile.

YEAH RIGHT!! ITs ugly, the TC is a chicks car and the XB is a yuppies car...Do you even own a Celica by the way??

You work in a school.....Are you a Janitor?? LOL

OMG LOLZ.

[volkdb350z]

Actually I just put up my opinion, If you break it down you are defending the Scion XB...WTF?

Anyway goodluck with you discussion, thanks for posting a picture of my Z it makes the EVO look real ugly next to it!! LOL

[epicwolf]

nice lookin z :drool:

[volkdb350z]

nice lookin z :drool:


Thanks!


Not sure why he posted a large pic of my car....I guess someone does give a Sh!t about my Z...? LOL

[neological]

Somebody loves you! Yay!

[volkdb350z]

Back on topic.....So how about that Box?

[neological]

I'd rather have a wrecked STi with a salvaged title for 16k.

[infox]

like the previous posters, you can't compare this to a used car... it just doesnt work like that. You tell me any other NEW cars which are in this price range that are better than this, if I were shopping for a cheap get me from point a to point b NEW car this would be on the top of the list.

[neological]

your sarcasm detector is broken.

[metal112524]

I drive an xb, and im not a yuppie (im getting a celica afterall)

First off the new xb is heavier, bout 3000lbs,just shy of the tc. Secondly the aftermarket support for the 2AZ is there considering turbo+stock internals= buttraped for your 350Z and thats all HOW MUCH under your BASE price.

I'll defend my xb to the hills, just wait till ZPI gets there hands dirty with the new xb.

[Carbonized_GT]

:rolleyes:

[Gas-n-Grease]

Secondly the aftermarket support for the 2AZ is there considering turbo+stock internals = buttraped for your 350Z
......all talk?? a lotta people talk about turbo charging their cars, but how many people do it? besides, you would need more power to overcome the 'sleek aerodynamic stying' of the xB.
i don't see the point of, "IF a (name of car here) were to have turbo, it'd killed such and such".
in that case:
i rather get a beat up civic hatchback and swap in K20. now, we're talking about corvette killers.

[epicwolf]

......all talk?? a lotta people talk about turbo charging their cars, but how many people do it? besides, you would need more power to overcome the 'sleek aerodynamic stying' of the xB.
i don't see the point of, "IF a (name of car here) were to have turbo, it'd killed such and such".
in that case:
i rather get a beat up civic hatchback and swap in K20. now, we're talking about corvette killers.


rather get a civic hatch and do a little engine swap huh? Typical Westminster in California talk. Those areas are mostly hondas and integras anyway. I live around there so I should know. I am anti hondas btw. If you want a real corvette killers, I rather save up and get my self a tt supras and do a little tunin here and there. Screw hondas.


areodynamic on an xb? It's a freakin box. What so areodynamic about that?

[Motor]

I am anti hondas btw. If you want a real corvette killers, I rather save up and get my self a tt supras and do a little tunin here and there. Screw hondas.

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

[epicwolf]

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.


:confused:

[Motor]

Sarcasm.

[epicwolf]

oh. I didnt realized you had sacastic sandwhiches for lunch today. My bad

[Gas-n-Grease]

rather get a civic hatch and do a little engine swap huh? Typical Westminster in California talk. Those areas are mostly hondas and integras anyway. I live around there so I should know. I am anti hondas btw. If you want a real corvette killers, I rather save up and get my self a tt supras and do a little tunin here and there. Screw hondas.


areodynamic on an xb? It's a freakin box. What so areodynamic about that?
uh no.... fyi, i'm a mazda fan. if you weren't so bias, you'd understand that thats the other alternative way to build a faster budget car compared to a xB. buying a supra tt is a lot more expensive than a supra tt.. that's the point i was trying to make. the 'sleek aerodynamic styling' was a sarcastic statment... hence the ' ' so chill the f*ck out.

[metal112524]

the old xb had a .34cofD as the celica has a .32 and the testarossa was at .36....whats your argument on the aerodynamics? There are LOTS of people running 12's and a few in the 11 and 10's. Again we are talking about the NEW cars.

[Gas-n-Grease]

testarossa is a sports car, its body is design to create downforce. not to mention it has enough power to push the air in front of it. xB isn't doing anything besides pushing air and haul people. its a moving wall with barely 100hp.
drag cars running 10-12's 1/4miles have power. i'm not saying you can calculate how fast a car is by coefficient of drag. i'm saying the more drag you have the more power you need to push the car through air. friction becomes exponential the faster you go.

[metal112524]

My point was that new xb has new aerodynamics and a new engine with proven power on stock internals at an affordable price, combine all those components in a new car and tell me where the price leaves you. Xb is WAY limited in power for its aerodynamics but the 1st gen xb was just about show and fuel economy. Most who bout it (<<<for those reasons) are highly disappointed in the new xb as it lost its main appeal. On another note, there are those who looked to the xb becuase its not just another "car" and most importantly not a tc and didnt get the performance from the 1nz(180whp being peak on stock internals) look to the new xb to replace it for sure.

[Gas-n-Grease]

My point was that new xb has new aerodynamics and a new engine with proven power on stock internals at an affordable price, combine all those components in a new car and tell me where the price leaves you. Xb is WAY limited in power for its aerodynamics but the 1st gen xb was just about show and fuel economy. Most who bout it (<<<--for those reasons) are highly disappointed in the new xb as it lost its main appeal. On another note, there are those who looked to the xb becuase its not just another "car" and most importantly not a tc and didnt get the performance from the 1nz (180whp being peak on stock internals) look to the new xb to replace it for sure.
yes, i would agree that the new xB would be affordable even with turbo.

[metal112524]

thats most peoples interest in the tc, the 2az is no monster by any means but it handles boost well.

[Motor]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124410#3
[QUOTE]DETROIT

[jlitman]

It's okay... has some potential. Kinda reminds me of the Charger. Guess it all depends on the powerplant and drivetrain. :shrugs:

[lumiester123]

Yuck!!

[Nineball]

the fuse? It was too gimmicky. of course, that was the whole idea. I did like how the whole dash was floating, mounted on the steering column.

I'm putting my vote in for either a 2-seater roadster (it would still be sweet, even if it was wrong-wheel-drive) or a lighter tC. Preferably with an All-trac option :D

[Zero]

I hope the Fuse goes into production; I like it.

If the tC gets replaced, does that mean the one to replace it is the 10th generation Celica? :lame:

To all the morons that think the tC is the new gen Celica. :fawk:

[drewd]

Disgusting..

[Joey03_VVT-I]

Looks nice! But I doubt the headlights that changes colors is going to be legal.

[Nineball]

If the tC gets replaced, does that mean the one to replace it is the 10th generation Celica? :lame:
To all the morons that think the tC is the new gen Celica. :fawk:

that would be 9th gen...

Looks nice! But I doubt the headlights that changes colors is going to be legal.


they're talking about a new concept for 08.

[celicatrd93]

what the hell is that???

[TRD_Celica00]

hey id ride in it

[silverCELICAgt-s]

you all must not read, those of you commenting oh i like it, etc. That is an old concept, its not coming out period. Now with that said, if you had read, it said they are unveiling a new concept car.

[Zero]

If the tC gets replaced, does that mean the one to replace it is the 10th generation Celica? :lame:
To all the morons that think the tC is the new gen Celica. :fawk:

that would be 9th gen...

Looks nice! But I doubt the headlights that changes colors is going to be legal.


they're talking about a new concept for 08.

damn, you're right.

:faint:

Either way, I hope you could pick up my sarcasm.

[CEGONAX-MAN]

Celica :puke: Fuse :thumbdown

[Gas-n-Grease]

ugly

[celicajonz]

kinda crazy...

300M coupe.

[techgeekwill]

you all must not read, those of you commenting oh i like it, etc. That is an old concept, its not coming out period. Now with that said, if you had read, it said they are unveiling a new concept car.


x2


They are releasing an all-new concept at this years NY show. It's one of two things, tC replacement or it is going to be the rumored mini-truck.

I'm hoping for the Mini truck actually. It would be a cool throw-back to the El-Camino days.

I think it will be the tC replacement.

[wtcnbrwndo4u]

Doesn't look too bad. Throw a 300HP engine in there and it'll be a nice $20-25K car to compete with the Tib and Mustang.

[ahnjae]

Looks like the batmobile or something....I would feel like some kind of super hero driving that car ready to save the world!!!!

[neological]

Doesn't look too bad. Throw a 300HP engine in there and it'll be a nice $20-25K car to compete with the Tib and Mustang.
Yeah, Toyota is really known for adding powerful engine options in small cars.

[BobtheBuilder]

It's okay... has some potential. Kinda reminds me of the Charger. Guess it all depends on the powerplant and drivetrain. :shrugs:

Toyota is really known for adding powerful engine options in small cars.

toyota will unveil their new I3 engine, capable of 85hp at the crank

[techgeekwill]

toyota will unveil their new I3 engine, capable of 85hp at the crank


Actually, only 64hp due to new CAFE regulations.

[MastaBman]

I'd hit it

[phaqgm]

what the hell is that???


ugly

[Archangel1183]

Thats just a concept. I'm sure the real one won't look like Robocop.

[Nineball]

toyota will unveil their new I3 engine, capable of 85hp at the crank


Actually, only 64hp due to new CAFE regulations.

but with the new valvematic, it'll have an ever-increasing power-curve, allowing for mad-tyte boost and torque-o-riffic ricer action.

[SquirtinGT-S]

I hope that the Fuse doesnt replace the tC... it is designed for an entirely different market. If anything it has mroe in common with the xB market rather than the tC. The tC is a good car for its purpose, I doubt Scion would make an entirely new design tC since the tC is selling as well as it is. I can see it as the 5th Scion introduced to the market like the xF or something... Either way, I do think it is a bit ugly but at the same time that is why i liked the xB to begin with. Ugly can go either way...

[Motor]

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/FREE/122766980/1023/rss01&rssfeed=rss01
Toyota's perky youth brand is adding dealers but losing sales as 2nd-generation models struggle

Toyota's cool, quirky Scion youth brand may still be hip but is no longer hot.

Sales, year-on-year, have dropped for 16 straight months. Since August, monthly sales have declined from each previous month, even though dealers have had two redesigned models in their showrooms during that period.

The first-generation Scions were hits right out of the box in 2003 and 2004. But generation two has struggled. All of which begs the question: Is this a brand built to last?

The changeover of two of Scion's three models--the boxy xB and the xD hatchback--dragged on for months and helped depress sales 24.8 percent in 2007 to 130,181 units. But even with new vehicles, Scion can't seem to pull out of its slump.

"We seem to be having more sales peaks and valleys than previously," said Farlon Smith, general manager of Beechmont Toyota-Scion in Cincinnati.

In the past, Scion routinely notched 15,000 to 20,000 sales per month. But January sales were 7,782 units. In January 2006, Scion sold 10,701 vehicles with about 60 fewer dealers than it has now. The average sales per outlet during that period dropped from 11.9 to 8.1.

Scion had 856 dealers as of Jan 1, 2005. But as sales soared in 2005 and 2006, more dealers piled on, even if they weren't in hip, urban neighborhoods.

Currently, 963 of 1,224 Toyota dealers carry the brand. As sales per dealer decline faster than overall volume, one Toyota insider questions whether dealers will give Scion the same share of mind as when vehicles were flying out the door.

Toyota executives insist the soft market is hurting all players and that Scion's grass-roots marketing strategy requires time for the new vehicles to gain sales momentum.

Changeover fumbled
But Jim Lentz, president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., concedes that Scion mishandled last year's model changeover.

Fearing that holdovers could harm the brand's hipness, Toyota stopped production of the old xA and xB in December 2006. But production of the vehicles had already been slowing, and dealers quickly ran dry of product. Meanwhile, the carryover tC coupe was starting to show its age.

The redesigned xB didn't reach showrooms until March, and the new xD didn't arrive until August.

"We underestimated the loss of momentum from the dark period for those two vehicles," said Lentz, who once ran the Scion brand. "The way Scion is marketed, it takes longer to get traction."

The new xB's January sales of 3,319 topped the old xB's January 2007 numbers but were behind the January 2006 total.

The new xD trailed year-ago sales of the xA it replaced and is well behind where the xA was two years ago. One reason may be new competitors.

When Scion started, there was scant small-car competition outside the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio. But last year the Honda Fit, Nissan Versa and Toyota Yaris accounted for more than 220,000 sales. Scion executives say their vehicles are aimed at a different constituency, but they do worry about the fresh competition.

"There are at least two Scion customer profiles," said Tom Libby, an analyst at J.D. Power and Associates. "One is just looking for the lowest price, and this Scion profile could be hurt by the subcompacts.

"The second profile is the young buyer who wants a Scion because it is cool," he said. "Their friends have one. For this customer, the Yaris and others have no impact. But this second customer profile is limited in size."

According to Power data, the average xD buyer is 42 years old--comparable to other cars in the category. The average buyer of the Fit is 45; the Versa, 43; and the Yaris, 42.

Lentz says Scion customers still come from the desired demographic.

"As we hit spring, I think we'll see some good sales results," Lentz said in an interview. "Sure, we'd like to see more customers, but we're still seeing the right customers. The tC's average customer is under 25 years old. The overall Scion customer is in his early 30s, and primarily he is new to the brand."

Dealers say the second-generation products are good enough; the word just needs to spread.

"The changes in the product were all the things the customers said needed fixing," said Smith of Beechmont Toyota-Scion, which sells 18 or 20 Scions a month.

"Customers complained the speedometer gauges should be easier to see, so Scion went digital," Smith said. "Then they added things like a standard armrest, cruise control and more lighting."

Just the same, Smith said sales aren't what they were.

"Before, it was build your base, then increase. With the changeover and selldown, it was a different twist to not increase."

"We're still getting the urban trendsetters," he said. "We're getting a lot of repeat and referral buyers."


More new vehicles?
John Mathews, managing partner of Pat Lobb Toyota of McKinney in Texas, said most of his Scion customers are first-timers to the brand. The kids who bought first-generation Scions are still driving them, not yet ready for a trade-in.

Mathews says his store's Scion sales, days' supply and days-to-turn are "great." But he is concerned that the second-generation vehicles did not change enough.

"If we are staying with just three products, we need to replace them with something really different from the last," Mathews said. "It's important that the car is always being refreshed. But with every product cycle, it needs to be as though we were starting over."

Lentz said he would like Scion's long-term product plan to have more models--"so we don't risk that lost momentum as we go through model change."

He said the xB's awareness and volumes are on the rise but added that "the xD is not there yet."

"Ask me in 90 days and I'll tell you how comfortable I am."
http://cwimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CW&Date=20080303&Category=FREE&ArtNo=122766980&Profile=1023&ref=AR&maxw=630

Discuss. :eatpop:

[celicajonz]

gooD~!

[jlitman]

Maybe this will inspire Toyota or Scion to get that lightweight sports car they've been toying with on the market.

[Nineball]

Maybe this will inspire Toyota or Scion to get that lightweight sports car they've been toying with on the market.

Agreed!

the portion of the market who will go out and buy a quirky wierd car like the Xb have already gone out and done so. How about the other 90% of the market that sits, foaming at the mouth, waiting for something sharp looking and performance oriented?

[SquirtinGT-S]

it is about time scion released a fast car.... if they are trying to cater to the younger generation they need something with a little umph to it. I say a re-designed tC that comes standard with a hp rating around 230 NA and a curb weight under 3000... that would be a car i would consider purchasing if everything looked good.

[Klint]

should have stuck with the celica :) and added a factory turbo lol :) and gave it alot of room for modifications and supported aftermarket stuff, :hitit:

[Beast]

if they are trying to cater to the younger generation...

read: Cheap.

Your 230hp NA car would require at least a 6 cyl. Bye bye low curb weight...and probably favorable pricing.

[Kauchipoteto]

How is Scion able to reconcile the statement "...the young buyer who wants a Scion because it is cool" with "According to Power data, the average xD buyer is 42 years old". Is 42 the new 22?

The other profile - "...just looking for the lowest price" doesn't fit the age group either...I would think most 42-year olds are looking for more than just a dirt-cheap set of wheels.

[epicwolf]

here's an idea. Make a better looking ride. I went to visit my highschool after almost 10 years removed from it and the young people now a days are not into a car that shapes like a box (litterally). Yea you probably get a few people who likes that so called "old school" look but majority of the young people think xb are ugly and tc suck. I dont know what kind of meetings Scion heads have but they can't be that blind cus they should know that sports car aimed toward the young a lot more than a touring cars or box looking cars. I'll give you affordable but why not make it sporty looking? And most of the young people dont even used their own money to buy their own cars. Its their parents who buy their cars for them and most of them always get what they want anyway. I see more young people driving G35's than TC's. G35 aint cheap. So please Scion and Toyota, you must come out with a sports car so you can compete with other more hip companies like i dont know.....NISSAN?! atleast make the car look fast like a celica :gap:

[Motor]

Scion planning to double lineup
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/toyota/scion-planning-to-double-lineup/
[QUOTE] After a bright start six years ago Scion

[airmike]

^that looks like a school bus. :thumbdown

[Barabaika]

Can't Toyota find the bluenprints of the old Levin, put a newer engine in it and sell, sell, sell?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1175/1360984516_3692f3fc66.jpg

[airmike]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1175/1360984516_3692f3fc66.jpg

^ is that your car? if it is its pretty clean bro, my friend has one but its pretty beat up he just uses it as a toy lol

[epicwolf]

Scion planning to double lineup
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/toyota/scion-planning-to-double-lineup/

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Toyota/Scion/Hako_Concept//Scion_Hako_Concept_024.jpg

so, that's how Scion's going bounce back from the wall.




that is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. I can gaurenteed you that a lot of people will giggle or laugh even non car enthusias when they see this on the road. Only a hand full will be blind enough to think this is a sick ride.

[Gt to GtS Swap]

toyota needs to go back on its roots and hook us up with a awd tranny and factory turbo.. if the 2zz would handle so much boost if they just lowered the compression... considering they threw a factory turbo.. but it seems they are done with our beloved 2zz :C... i want awd for sure.

[marc]

toyota needs to go back on its roots and hook us up with a awd tranny and factory turbo.. if the 2zz would handle so much boost if they just lowered the compression... considering they threw a factory turbo.. but it seems they are done with our beloved 2zz :C... i want awd for sure.

Except the general population does not want AWD (sucks up gas) or turbos (sucks up gas) - hence, this is why you are not a Toyota executive.

Toyota will do whatever it takes to sell the most cars. That's it.

That means Camrys and Corollas. Efficient transportation appliances.

And the reason Scion sales are down is because they got away from this - their cars got bigger, more bloated, less fuel efficient.

[Barabaika]

toyota needs to go back on its roots and hook us up with a awd tranny and factory turbo..
Are you standing in the line for Genesis Coupe?
It has: 19" wheels, Brembos, RWD, and 214 and 300 hp for under 25 grand.
http://thegenesiscoupe.com/

Hyundai has built what the young say they would buy.
Will they actually buy, that's an interesting question.

[GSBoek]

Except the general population does not want AWD (sucks up gas) or turbos (sucks up gas) - hence, this is why you are not a Toyota executive.

Toyota will do whatever it takes to sell the most cars. That's it.

That means Camrys and Corollas. Efficient transportation appliances.

And the reason Scion sales are down is because they got away from this - their cars got bigger, more bloated, less fuel efficient.
I tend to agree a little bit. But I also think the original hype about Scion has worn off, it isn't original anymore.

[Motor]

http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008041144004
Torrance, CA - Scion announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) today for the 2009 model year xB urban utility vehicle and tC sports coupe. The xB will arrive at dealerships later this month while the tC will arrive in May.

After a major model change in 2008, the xB carries over with only a change in exterior color. Stingray Metallic replaces Nautical Blue Metallic. The base MSRP for the iconic xB is $15,750 when equipped with a five-speed manual transmission and $16,700 for the four-speed automatic with sequential shifting. Prices for both configurations represent an increase of $100 or 0.6 percent.

The sporty 2009 tC also carries over with one change, updated seat fabric. Prices for both the automatic and manual transmission remain the same as the 2008 models. The tC equipped with a five-speed manual transmission has a base MSRP of $17,000, while the four-speed automatic transmission model carries an MSRP of $17,800.

All Scions come mono-spec with a generous list of standard features including a 160-watt maximum output Pioneer audio system with iPod connectivity and auxiliary port; power steering, windows, door locks and mirrors; cruise control; remote keyless entry; air conditioning; four-wheel anti-lock brakes with electronic brake assist; driver and front passenger airbags; front seat-mounted side airbags; front and rear side curtain airbags; and tilt steering wheel with audio controls.

The delivery, processing and handling (DPH) fee for all Scion models is $620 and is not included in the MSRP. DPH fees for vehicles distributed by Southeast Toyota (SET) and Gulf States Toyota (GST) may vary.

exciting, new seat fabric and a new exterior color. way to go.

Discuss. :eatpop:

[SocalTRDgt]

i like the new XB

[CEGONAX-MAN]

I'm really not interested in this kind of vehicle...Subaru hooked up with Toyota so you know what kind of wheels i'll be sporting next year. LOL

[Motor]

I'm really not interested in this kind of vehicle...Subaru hooked up with Toyota so you know what kind of wheels i'll be sporting next year. LOL

the toyotaru/suboyota isn't coming out next year.

[jlitman]

I'm really not interested in this kind of vehicle...Subaru hooked up with Toyota so you know what kind of wheels i'll be sporting two or three years from now. LOL
Fixed.

And me too :D

[FlCeliChik]

I'm really not interested in this kind of vehicle...Subaru hooked up with Toyota so you know what kind of wheels i'll be sporting next year. LOL

Any pics of what that's gonna look like? I'm interested.

[Ryude]

When are they going to bring the 3S-GE or 3S-GTE to the states? Direct injection, 2.0 liter, all aluminum block, turbocharged, dual vvt-i, AWD/RWD, they sell it in Japan so why not just bring it over?

http://www.mrcontrols.com/images/davedyno01.jpg

^^ 4th gen 3S-GTE stock.

[Nineball]

When are they going to bring the 3S-GE or 3S-GTE to the states?

uh... um... er... uh...

[Boosted2.0]

When are they going to bring the 3S-GE or 3S-GTE to the states? Direct injection, 2.0 liter, all aluminum block, turbocharged, dual vvt-i, AWD/RWD, they sell it in Japan so why not just bring it over?

http://www.mrcontrols.com/images/davedyno01.jpg

^^ 4th gen 3S-GTE stock.

Its old tech - we had it years ago but it got killed due to poor emissions and they will kill it in Japan soon enough.

[omabramo]

Since when was the 3S all-aluminum?

[drewd]

toyota needs to go back on its roots and hook us up with a awd tranny and factory turbo.. if the 2zz would handle so much boost if they just lowered the compression... considering they threw a factory turbo.. but it seems they are done with our beloved 2zz :C... i want awd for sure.

The 2zz is a HORRIBLE turbo engine. An engine designed for N/A is not ideal to turbo but people do it because are cars are just toys and people like to tinker. PERIOD.

[Motor]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/scion-ad-window-makes-viewers-look-like-tourette-sufferers/
[QUOTE]Engadget reports on a new oh-so-clever Scion ad campaign featuring an interactive storefront window. Just in case passers-by might be a little self-conscious about gesticulating wildly in the middle of the pavement for no apparent reason, the window taunts pistonheads with the prospect of "releasing"

[Boosted2.0]

Interesting. Dunno if it will make anyone want to buy a Scion or not, but its pretty cool.

[xCraZyEddiEx]

give this a couple more months and the porn industry will use this technology. you can bet on that!:naughty:

[Motor]

Dunno if it will make anyone want to buy a Scion or not

I'll agree with that. but it does allow scion to get some exposure through unorthodox means.

give this a couple more months and the porn industry will use this technology

you're living up to your name, eddie.

[Motor]

http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2008041621803
[QUOTE]1,600+ HD Radio stations offer more than 750 exclusive new digital radio channels

Torrance, CA - Scion announced today that it will offer iBiquity Digital's HD Radio technology in select audio systems in the near future.

"Since Scion customers are in tune with audio technology, it makes sense that we enhance our already outstanding audio offerings for them," said Jason Adang, Accessory Audio and Electronics Planning Manager, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. "Digital HD Radio technology is ideal for our youthful, tech-savvy customers who will enjoy the wide range of content available on HD Radio channels."

"We're excited to provide Scion with this emerging technology for its audio system," said Jeff McGannon, Vice President, iBiquity Digital Automotive Business Development. "HD Radio technology will provide customers with extensive listening choices and clear sound quality."

Today, there are more than 1,600 digital HD Radio stations in the U.S., more than 750 of which are offering innovative multicast (HD2/HD3) channels. Across the country, hundreds of new radio channels are now available. Examples of this innovative new content include the iChannel and Riff2, which feature independent and local bands, the Pride channel, gospel, hip hop and outlaw country, among others. Digitally enabled HD Radio multicasting gives listeners new options in radio listening not available on standard radios.

Available to over 83 percent of Americans, HD Radio technology dramatically increases the sound quality of AM/FM stations. HD Radio stations offer crystal-clear digital audio and scrolling text information across the radio screen. Additionally, FM stations can offer multiple channels in their single, current frequency. For a full list of HD Radio stations, visit http://www.hdradio.com.

About Scion
Scion, from Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., was developed with a new generation of youthful buyers in mind. Scion's mission is to provide distinctive products, the opportunity to personalize, and an innovative, consumer-driven process at the retail level. The Scion brand features three ground-breaking models. The xD is an urban subcompact five-door, featuring a muscular stance and accentuated wheel flares. The xB, an urban utility vehicle, combines remarkable interior space with iconic styling. And the tC sports coupe surprises the buyer with the convenience of a hatchback and the luxury of a standard all-glass panorama moonroof, complementing the usual wide array of features on all Scions. For more information, visit www.scion.com.

HD Radio

[hotshot2101]

only difference in hd is they can have more station do for example they can go 93.549 and it would be different then 93.544

[Motor]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=126388?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*
[QUOTE]130,000 Sales = Cult Car?

In the beginning the music pumped from giant subwoofers, cans of spray paint clattered and hissed and hyper-sexed kids crowded closer. Stodgy old Toyota had introduced a car that seemed to be more art than transportation, a radical statement of cool simplicity, anti-consumerism and plain old American cheapness. You know

[Aznboi812]

captain kirk should take over scion

[Punkers7465]

I'm sorry, I normally dont vote funny on polls but captain kirk is without question one bad dude...

[kiefer squared]

mabe if they made a car less like the TC and more like the celica

[rammerjammer7]

maybe its just me, but that second car looks like the new iron man with those headlights

[Kangaruu]

I'd so take that Ironman car!!

Paint it red and gold too! :ugh:

[jlitman]

Of course sales for Scions are dropping -- the target demographic, Gen Y, has the attention span of a flea :chuckles:

They'll just wreck it or sell it for something else and forget Scion ever existed.

[neological]

People seem to forget when the 7th gen celica gt-s came out it was a pretty expensive car.

[Motor]

People seem to forget when the 7th gen celica gt-s came out it was a pretty expensive car.

$29K for a GT-S, if I remember correctly.

[techgeekwill]

In all honesty, Scion has taken a step in the wrong direction with the latest models.

I own a 2nd Gen xB. While I love the car, the fuel economy isn't very good at all. 28mpg out of a 4 Cyl? I bought it for the aspects of safety and space. Anything comparable was either more expensive, or had worse economy.

That said, the 2nd Gen xB doesn't have the same feeling as the 1st Gen. The 1st Gen drives like a box on wheels. I wouldn't say it feels cheap, but you feel a lot more connected to the road. The new one feels like they ripped the suspension from a Camry.

The xA to xD transition suffered the same fate too. The xD feels like a snail compared to the xA. The xA didn't really need any more power, just a better suspension IMHO.

I'll be interested to see what happens when they replace the tC. With that being it's "best seller", they better do something good.

[marc]

yup - Scion softened and Toyotafied the brand - and look where it got them

Camry and Corolla motors? No thanks. People want puny little Echo motors in their weird little boxes and eggs.

[willshatattack]

it does sadly seem that toyota is drifting away from the "experiment" phase and more towards the "money maker" phase, seem to be trying to give the brand broader appeal, but of course, they are losing appeal in the process. reminds me of subaru killing the wrx :/

[GTShondakilla]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/can.scion.survive.success/scion.concept.f34.500.jpg

And I thought I had seen fvck-ugly.....

[Ch33z]

*shakes head*

[theguy216]

Honestly I always liked the look of the TC and loved how upscale it was for so cheap a price. Lots of options and a decent looking car. Unfortunately the engine in the scion is rather ordinary and the handling is nothing to write home about. If the new model TC dropped a few pounds offered a more impressive 4 cylinder or even an optional 6 and kept its clean sleek look along with tons of options I would be sooo much more likely to buy a scion.

The xb is a good econobox and WAS unique when it was introduced but there are a lot of cheap econobox's out there now and the xb is no longer unique. the people I know who drive xb's are either older than 30 or really not into cars. they bought it cause it was cheap and looked different than any other car out there.

I'm not to fond of the front on that gray car. I think it looks slightly ridiculous. I think if toyota hopes to keep the scion line selling, or even to bring back the younger market segment, they need to focus on a cheaper sporty 4 cylinder. the TC was close but not quite there. Toyota in general needs to bring back a sports car lineup. they killing of the MR 2 and the Supra really lost them that younger market. The new Camry takes a step in the right direction but the camry is still seen as sort of a cheap family car. A 2 door sports coupe, either FWD or RWD would aide toyota so much more than another boring gas saver.

[blacken]

Since toyota wont be badgeing the new Toybaru coupe a Toyota here in teh states
Hand it right on over to Scion
It fits right in with the other car models
Sporty, not going for maximum fuel efficiency and edgye its had scion written all over it.

[Motor]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=127051#3
[QUOTE]LEXINGTON, Ohio

[Sty09]

wow

[Zero]

it would've been nice if Toyota had done something similar when the Celica and MR2 Spyder were still around."Shoulda', woulda', coulda'." :shrugs:

[Motor]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/20/scion-to-go-road-racing-in-koni-challenge/
The Scion's venture into the KONI series is being fueled by communications firm Jackson-Dawson, TRD and BGB Motorsports. Driver and team manager Dan (pronounced Don) Gardner has taken his Scion's setup through the NASA club ranks to prove its worth. Having already tackled that territory, moving onto a production-based national series is the next logical step for the team. In the KONI Challenge ST class, Dan and his tC will face formidable foes such as Mazda RX8s, BMW 330s and Acura TSXs. While Toyota may be competitive on the ovals, hopefully this one can do better on the curves than the company's F1 effort. Check out the gallery below for snap shots of the Jackson-Dawson Scion tC and hit the jump for the full press release.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/06/cp2_1168.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/06/cp2_1268.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/06/cp3_0227.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/06/cp3_7049.jpg

I don't expect the tC to do well. I'm not holding my breath.

Discuss. :eatpop:

[Gas-n-Grease]

http://www.grand-am.com/koni/schedule/results.cfm?eid=24
Ranked 28th in the practice runs, huh? Chevy looks to dominate the top again (curse you and your cobalt ss!), don't think that tC has a chance to get up to podium position.

[Gas-n-Grease]

wow, love how hard their pushing the image of a race car into the tC. I can see tC fanboys screaming out proof that their tC is a pure-bred race car.

[TRD_Celica00]

id love to bring my tc by but its so damn far away

[Gas-n-Grease]

well, it looks like the tC beat the 330s; came in 14th place. I guess its alright.