8350 cutoff for 2003 celicas says Car and Driver....

[redlineGTS]

a while back ago a member on here sent a letter to Car and Driver explaining that the fuel cutoff wasn't a "glitch" i think is name is Sam Martinez i'm not sure of his user's name. i received my magazine a couple days ago and was reading through it today and saw his letter published in the "Back Fires" section of the magazine and here is what Car and Driver had to say about his letter.....

"Toyota was forthright with us. Its U.S. office said that prior to the 2002 model, the fuel cutoff was indeed 8350 rpm. the factory in Japan, without explanation, rolled back that cutoff to 7900 on the 2002 car (but not the Matrix). The American office complained, and the 8350 cutoff number is to be reinstated with the '03 Celica GT-S. (And don't confuse cutoff with the redline; that 7800 mark is more of a recommended shift point. Hondas and Toyotas historically have kept on cookin' past the tachmeter's redline)-Ed"

[Jesse IL]

Looks like with the whole knock sensor thing, it will be a snap for '02 owners to convert to '03 ECU's. This is great news. Now if they'd only give us the 8100 indicated redline like the Matrix. Something about seeing the "8" not being red :D

[6SPDGTS]

Jesse
Matrix Gauges in a celi HMMMM. would be nice if it was possible

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
Looks like with the whole knock sensor thing, it will be a snap for '02 owners to convert to '03 ECU's.:D Nope. :nono: The '03s will also have a Drive-By-Wire throttle system, which will require a new ECU to be made specially for them. They will not work properly without the DBW system (probably CEL).

[WAR]

Looks like with the whole knock sensor thing, it will be a snap for '02 owners to convert to '03 ECU's


I haven't kept up with this can someone please give me a link or explain how the knock sensor changed. I did a search and didn't find anything. thanks.

[t2000gts]

yeah, '02 owners will still have to go to '01 ECUs.

[B-GTS]

ummm... wtf are they planning on doing for us 2002 owners?
Sure would be nice if they stepped up to bat and replaced are "glitched" ECUs

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by B-GTS
ummm... wtf are they planning on doing for us 2002 owners?
Sure would be nice if they stepped up to bat and replaced are "glitched" ECUs

If you really want something to be done, you should call Toyota and complain to the proper department. If enough people complain about the problem, Toyota may supply new ECU's to 02 owners. But with how lazy people are on this board, I doubt you could get a movement going.

[Keyshawn]

Wow! I'm really surprised the letter campaign actually worked. What month and issue number of Car and Driver is this in?

[autxr]

Originally posted by B-GTS
ummm... wtf are they planning on doing for us 2002 owners?
Sure would be nice if they stepped up to bat and replaced are "glitched" ECUs

When will yall understand, they don't owe you anything! The car works as advertised.

Scott

[ringthree]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Nope. :nono: The '03s will also have a Drive-By-Wire throttle system, which will require a new ECU to be made specially for them. They will not work properly without the DBW system (probably CEL).

Hey Blue, is there any proof that the '03 Celica will be drive by wire. It just seems kinda crazy to me to have a car in the middle of it's production run changing it's entire throttle system. Any input?

[ringthree]

Originally posted by redlineGTS
a while back ago a member on here sent a letter to Car and Driver explaining that the fuel cutoff wasn't a "glitch" i think is name is Sam Martinez i'm not sure of his user's name. i received my magazine a couple days ago and was reading through it today and saw his letter published in the "Back Fires" section of the magazine and here is what Car and Driver had to say about his letter.....

"Toyota was forthright with us. Its U.S. office said that prior to the 2002 model, the fuel cutoff was indeed 8350 rpm. the factory in Japan, without explanation, rolled back that cutoff to 7900 on the 2002 car (but not the Matrix). The American office complained, and the 8350 cutoff number is to be reinstated with the '03 Celica GT-S. (And don't confuse cutoff with the redline; that 7800 mark is more of a recommended shift point. Hondas and Toyotas historically have kept on cookin' past the tachmeter's redline)-Ed"

I think it's funny that TOA claims that it was TOJ's fault. They are also the people that claimed it was a "glitch" in the first place. I doubt TOJ did it on there own without consulting TOA.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by autxr


When will yall understand, they don't owe you anything! The car works as advertised.

Scott

But ya gotta understand their frustration. Wouldn't YOU be pissed off too if you unknowingly bought a '02 model, which doesn't perform quite as well as the supposedly identical '00,'01, and now '03 models? I wouldn't fault those people for trying to do something about it.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by ringthree


I think it's funny that TOA claims that it was TOJ's fault. They are also the people that claimed it was a "glitch" in the first place. I doubt TOJ did it on there own without consulting TOA.

:werd:

[The Game]

Originally posted by autxr


When will yall understand, they don't owe you anything! The car works as advertised.
:werd:

[autxr]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


But ya gotta understand their frustration. Wouldn't YOU be pissed off too if you unknowingly bought a '02 model, which doesn't perform quite as well as the supposedly identical '00,'01, and now '03 models? I wouldn't fault those people for trying to do something about it.

Redline is 7800 rpm. Technically none of us have business going beyond that. As for being pissed, yes, at myself, for not properly test driving the car.

I bought the '00 GTS with a 7800 rpm redline. Would I have been pissed if that's where the fuel cut was? Nope. It was just a pleasant suprise that it was higher.

Scott

[gts24]

Ok, that's fine, but seriously go test drive a 2002.... I HAVE

and you can't even get to redline, it cuts you off at 7500 no crap. Both cars that I have driven cut you off right at 7500... that's not redline in my book......

[gts24]

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29358&goto=newpost


changes for the 2003 are being logged in that thread. check it out..

[Griffin]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
Looks like with the whole knock sensor thing, it will be a snap for '02 owners to convert to '03 ECU's. This is great news. Now if they'd only give us the 8100 indicated redline like the Matrix. Something about seeing the "8" not being red :D

Nope - won't work. 2003 has drive by wire - incompatible ECM. Currently the best bet is still knock sensor rewire and 2001 or 2000 ECM

Griffin

[Griffin]

Originally posted by ringthree


I think it's funny that TOA claims that it was TOJ's fault. They are also the people that claimed it was a "glitch" in the first place. I doubt TOJ did it on there own without consulting TOA.

I don't see why not. It makes more sense then them lying about it in the first place. Lying is not somehting they have been known to do ya know. Its probably just like I figured - whatever PR guy did the interview just had NO idea it had changed.

Griffin

[B-GTS]

Originally posted by autxr


When will yall understand, they don't owe you anything! The car works as advertised.

Scott

Yes, that is your ignorant excuse as well as Toyota's. Most of us 02 owners, test drove the 01's and expected to get the same vehicle. We didn't! We have a right to have the same performance as everyone else.
As well I specifically asked the dealer if there was going to be any changes because I wanted an identical car. He told me the shift gates had been revised due to mishifts and that was it. Therefore Toyota falsely advertised the 02 to me and many others.
As far as I'm concerned they owe us big time. Especially after admitting they made a mistake.

[Griffin]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


If you really want something to be done, you should call Toyota and complain to the proper department. If enough people complain about the problem, Toyota may supply new ECU's to 02 owners. But with how lazy people are on this board, I doubt you could get a movement going.


:thumbup: :applaud: :thumbup: :applaud:


Xactly right.

Griffin

[Z24and GT]

Originally posted by B-GTS


Yes, that is your ignorant excuse as well as Toyota's. Most of us 02 owners, test drove the 01's and expected to get the same vehicle. We didn't! We have a right to have the same performance as everyone else.
As well I specifically asked the dealer if there was going to be any changes because I wanted an identical car. He told me the shift gates had been revised due to mishifts and that was it. Therefore Toyota falsely advertised the 02 to me and many others.
As far as I'm concerned they owe us big time. Especially after admitting they made a mistake.

That would be why u always test drive your car before you buy it. One redline in break-in wont damage the car.

[Griffin]

Originally posted by B-GTS


Yes, that is your ignorant excuse as well as Toyota's. Most of us 02 owners, test drove the 01's and expected to get the same vehicle. We didn't! We have a right to have the same performance as everyone else.
As well I specifically asked the dealer if there was going to be any changes because I wanted an identical car. He told me the shift gates had been revised due to mishifts and that was it. Therefore Toyota falsely advertised the 02 to me and many others.
As far as I'm concerned they owe us big time. Especially after admitting they made a mistake.

Dude you are putting words in Toyota's mouth. I don't hear them making ANY excuses about the 2002 besides for saying they didn't even know the change had been made. Of course since you all won't even bother to call their customer service number and complain what do you expect besides inaction. If no-one complains why SHOULD they change it?

Griffin

[B-GTS]

Originally posted by Griffin


Dude you are putting words in Toyota's mouth. I don't hear them making ANY excuses about the 2002 besides for saying they didn't even know the change had been made. Of course since you all won't even bother to call their customer service number and complain what do you expect besides inaction. If no-one complains why SHOULD they change it?

Griffin
....and I see you are putting words into my mouth. I have called Toyota at least a dozen times. I've spoken to 4 different customer service reps and managers. Yet they are willing to do nothing. I also have about 20pages of email correspondance, if you like I will forward you my copies. I have already posted some of my emails on this site. As well I have tried to contact Toyota USA and they will not help at all(rightly so) as I'm in Canada.
So far neither Toyota Canada or USA have helped us.

I do agree with you that all the 02 owners should be contacting Toyota about this issue. It's as easy as calling at least once a week. These complaints will add up and hopefully.... they will do something for us.

Cheers,
Brent

[Griffin]

Originally posted by B-GTS

....and I see you are putting words into my mouth. I have called Toyota at least a dozen times. I've spoken to 4 different customer service reps and managers. Yet they are willing to do nothing. I also have about 20pages of email correspondance, if you like I will forward you my copies. I have already posted some of my emails on this site. As well I have tried to contact Toyota USA and they will not help at all(rightly so) as I'm in Canada.
So far neither Toyota Canada or USA have helped us.

I do agree with you that all the 02 owners should be contacting Toyota about this issue. It's as easy as calling at least once a week. These complaints will add up and hopefully.... they will do something for us.

Cheers,
Brent

Appologies - did not mean to imply that YOU specifiaclly aren't contacting them. Nor am I saying that they are in the right, I think they should be fixing this regardless of complaints. Also I don't know the first thing about what Toyota Canada is saying, you may be 100% right. (BTW I would love to see some of your correspondence if you would like to post it - maybe people could copy and paste it since they are too lazy to write their own)

The reason I'm so frustrated is I'm calling too and invariably the reps don't know what the hell I'm talking about. They either say they will report it or that If its not performing correctly I should get teh dealer to fix it. They don't understand the problem as they aren't technical enough, hence I suspect it is being communicated to Topyota management poorly. I will say this though - this very ignorance is proof that they are NOT getting called on this issue. If they were they would know about it and have a pat / stock answer. Then again I also don't have anything at stake... My lease is up very soon and I'm probably just going to drive my company car for a while until I have a chance to put some money into my ST185 and drive the 2003.

Griffin

[B-GTS]

Originally posted by Griffin


The reason I'm so frustrated is I'm calling too and invariably the reps don't know what the hell I'm talking about. They either say they will report it or that If its not performing correctly I should get teh dealer to fix it. They don't understand the problem as they aren't technical enough, hence I suspect it is being communicated to Topyota management poorly. I will say this though - this very ignorance is proof that they are NOT getting called on this issue. If they were they would know about it and have a pat / stock answer. Then again I also don't have anything at stake... My lease is up very soon and I'm probably just going to drive my company car for a while until I have a chance to put some money into my ST185 and drive the 2003.

Griffin

No worries man, I'm as frustrated as yourself!
What you have just reported above, is exactly what I'm getting. The customer services reps have no clue and say take it to the dealer. As you know the dealer can't do anything either. Around and around we go.....
I'm wishing I leased now as well. The car still kicks ass, just a bit off the 00-01s. Life could be worse! LOL!

[B-GTS]

on a side note. If you ever compared the Hotchkis 02 Celi with the SCC 01 Celi..... The hotchkis with just an exhaust is only 3 tenths of a second off the 1/4mile. If they add an intake. I bet it will be either equal or off by 1 tenth of a sec. Not too bad, for 500rpm lower limit.

[redlineGTS]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Wow! I'm really surprised the letter campaign actually worked. What month and issue number of Car and Driver is this in?

Its the August issue of Car and Driver. The cover car is the 350z. they tested it 0-60 5.4 and a quater time of 14.1

[kabal57]

Heh, thats ME! :)

I'm glad they actually printed that letter. I was unaware that it was in the mag already
Well I guess this means step 1 is complete, Get Toyota's attention on the issue.
Now for step #2, Get them to DO something about it.


Originally posted by redlineGTS
a while back ago a member on here sent a letter to Car and Driver explaining that the fuel cutoff wasn't a "glitch" i think is name is Sam Martinez i'm not sure of his user's name. i received my magazine a couple days ago and was reading through it today and saw his letter published in the "Back Fires" section of the magazine and here is what Car and Driver had to say about his letter.....

"Toyota was forthright with us. Its U.S. office said that prior to the 2002 model, the fuel cutoff was indeed 8350 rpm. the factory in Japan, without explanation, rolled back that cutoff to 7900 on the 2002 car (but not the Matrix). The American office complained, and the 8350 cutoff number is to be reinstated with the '03 Celica GT-S. (And don't confuse cutoff with the redline; that 7800 mark is more of a recommended shift point. Hondas and Toyotas historically have kept on cookin' past the tachmeter's redline)-Ed"

[2000 XYR]

That's cool -- they mentioned this site in there. Let's see how many more hits Larry gets now! :D

[Patches]

B-GTS check out the tire sizes as well, they are all running 17's but diffrent tire sizes.

[Tony01Gts]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


If you really want something to be done, you should call Toyota and complain to the proper department. If enough people complain about the problem, Toyota may supply new ECU's to 02 owners. But with how lazy people are on this board, I doubt you could get a movement going.

Exactly! I've tried and tried...

[icyhotgts]

Wow, this means 02 GTS owners really takes it up the a$$. It's only your year that the car is slower.

[CelicaLicious]

i email toyota everyday.. sometimes 3-4 times.. i've gotten one reply, but i will continue to harrass them.. and yes i do call their customer service reps.. all we can do now is wait..

[Ugly Pete]

lol. what about us auto gt-s owners?!? i dont want my 7800 fuel cutoff!