A new unbelievable motortrend review of the Tiburon GT

[doctafrese]

Opinions please

http://www.motortrend.com/july02/shark/shark_f.html

[Tibfighter]

You don't need to win over other car people with your 2K3 Tiburon. You know it's a great car (not up to RSX/Celica standards yet though), so don't rub it in other people's faces. Despite the fact that it's now one of the best sport compacts available in North America, Toyota/Honda/VW boards have historically rejected the 2K3 Tiburon like Steve Francis rejected being drafted by the Grizzlies.

[B-GTS]

IMHO, Try comparing that race preped Hyundai to the Hotchkis Celica. Hotckis Celica will destroy that car, even with 240HP on tap.
Interesting article though. It's cool to see our little FWD cars beat up on Z06's!

[Willis5050]

Yawn.

[CloNeGTS]

Yeah...whoopie do. This is just about as "amazing" as the Focus being named Car of the Year.

What does Motor Trend have to say about all the problems with the Tib? Did they not get that memo?

[Redline]

Originally posted by CloNeGTS

What does Motor Trend have to say about all the problems with the Tib? Did they not get that memo?

:D

[steckelberg]

I hate it when i see Magazines post our car with a 7.3 sec 0-60mph time. I think Road and Track is the only one that gets it right at 6.8.

[gts24]

Originally posted by CloNeGTS
Yeah...whoopie do. This is just about as "amazing" as the Focus being named Car of the Year.

What does Motor Trend have to say about all the problems with the Tib? Did they not get that memo?


It also amazes me when the focus gets on that "10 best " cars list with all the constant issues we hear about it.....

[doctafrese]

Tibfighter, who are you the internet police? Dont you have your own forum to moderate? I was not "rubbing" anything in these peoples faces, they have their own cars to worrie about. I was simply asking them their opinion on the review and the direction Hyundai is taking to become a competitor. D*MN

[wickedpete]

not a bad deal for $20,552 loaded (carsdirect.com)... still like my celi tho

[Britai 7018]

Thats cool... I like the new Tiburons, seen a couple, and they're catching my eye. I might have thought about getting one if they had come out in 2000. I think the article was decent... not completely biased in any way. Hope you enjoy your ride.

[RedNOSceli]

I like the new tibs....

[larryd]

i like the new tiburons but I think Hyundai went the wrong way when they put a 6cyl in it.. I think they should have put a turbo 4 in it.

[2002GT_Celica]

Wow, I am so impressed. All you Tiburon owners are the same, using magazine racing to prove a point. I hate to break it to you all, but you are seeing what you want to see, not the facts. Those numbers that you find unbelievable are bloated because I know for a fact a racing spec Tiburon is not sitting in your garage. :ugh:

[Chui]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica
Wow, I am so impressed. All you Tiburon owners are the same, using magazine racing to prove a point. I hate to break it to you all, but you are seeing what you want to see, not the facts. Those numbers that you find unbelievable are bloated because I know for a fact a racing spec Tiburon is not sitting in your garage. :ugh:


Come now!! It's all the same whether you're an ITR owner, S2K owner [some of the worst], WRX owner or Celica owner. Same thing...

I don't recall him stating that his car could run like the race car. It isn't sitting in his garage and neither is the Hotchkiss Celica sitting in any of yours. And guess what? The Realtime Acura Integra Type R isn't sitting in mine. I believe the point was a 'trump' move to those who thought the Tib was a largish hunk of garbage. And those who thought that took a direct hit from my perspective and are now taking on water...

General Observation

Some people are so insecure. There will always be quicker cars, prettier women and faster computers. It's called progress. Get used to it. The last Tib post a couple of weeks ago exposed some of you guys and I was/am disappointed.

[F22-Raptor]

Why are you disappointed because people have opinions?? I have nothing against a Tib and wouldn't mind test driving one. However after owning a WRX as well I will only buy Toyotas from now on.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by gts24



It also amazes me when the focus gets on that "10 best " cars list with all the constant issues we hear about it.....


you know Ford pays them "under the table" to do this. It's the only REAL explaination ;)

[doctafrese]

Thanks for the comments, negative and positive. I was just curious as to the perspective you celica owners have of the NEW Tiburon, you made it perfectly clear that either you like it or you hate it, no in between. Does "its just a hyundai" still apply here or is hyundai above this prehistoric comment? I would also like to state I like the new celica GT-S alot, the styling is tight as hell, and I hope you guys get hella aftermarket support.

[ringthree]

Originally posted by larryd
i like the new tiburons but I think Hyundai went the wrong way when they put a 6cyl in it.. I think they should have put a turbo 4 in it.

I agree totally, they look great, but they went the same way as Mitsu. They should getting way more power out a V6.

It's probably a simplier solutionm for them because they use the V6 in two other cars. Remmeber this is still an underdog company, but they are making real strides toward become a big time company. The Tiburon is a car that compares (though, not equaling) many of the mainstay companies cars. This is the work of company that aggressively want a part of teh market. I doubt Pinifarina would work for a company that was just putting out more crap.

[t2000gts]

cool article, i like the new tiburon :) always nice to have another fwd sport compact import. decent performance, decent handling, decent looks.

that 0-60 time on the stock model confirms my opinion that MT can't really drive that well with cars like the Celica, Integra, RSX, old Civic Si...(non-torquey, high revving cars). they RSX and the Celica are both capable of sub-7 second 0-60 times off the show room floor, and i bet the tiburon could probably do just a little bit better too.

i wonder about their slalom test...i know everyone does the same 600 ft test, but i guess MT doesn't test a lot of race cars, SCC got 75+mph out of the Axis tuning turbo MR2-S, and the Hotchkis Celica.

and if you look at their laptimes for buttonwillow, isn't that the same track where SCC got 57.44 for the EVO VII and 56.47 for the Hotchks Celica? no wonder hotchkis was bragging about overtaking Z06s, M3s, and stuff :)

and this paragraph shows MT sometimes has no idea what it's talking about:

The FWD, underdog, 2.7L/240-hp V-6 Tiburon race car outpaced the mighty RWD, 5.7L/385-hp V-8 Corvette Z06 by 1.7 sec.

:rolleyes: please, the Tiburon is a race prepped car, with 500lbs of removed weight to make that 240hp all the more potent. underdog? the stock one was the underdog.

just the fact that it has a race suspension changes everything. look at the Hotchkis Celica, it just had a goddamned exhaust, and broke a bunch of their records and lapped faster than any of these other cars. and you can buy it for your own car for street use!

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by Chui



Come now!! It's all the same whether you're an ITR owner, S2K owner [some of the worst], WRX owner or Celica owner. Same thing...

I don't recall him stating that his car could run like the race car. It isn't sitting in his garage and neither is the Hotchkiss Celica sitting in any of yours. And guess what? The Realtime Acura Integra Type R isn't sitting in mine. I believe the point was a 'trump' move to those who thought the Tib was a largish hunk of garbage. And those who thought that took a direct hit from my perspective and are now taking on water...

General Observation

Some people are so insecure. There will always be quicker cars, prettier women and faster computers. It's called progress. Get used to it. The last Tib post a couple of weeks ago exposed some of you guys and I was/am disappointed.

I do realize that the Tiburon may be quicker. But I ask you, what the hell does this have to do with Celica's at all? Last time I checked this was a Celica General Discussion. I just think it is stupid to post this in this forum. I know I don't care and I am sure others feel the same way, and to be honest, I am sure if I were to go on a Tiburon board and post articles about the Hotchkis Celica, they would not appreciate it. But whatever, to each his own. All I know is that the Tiburon is going to be a flash in the pan. Why? It's an unreliable Hyundai, and the engine it uses is nothing special.

[Britai 7018]

if you go to other car forums, they talk about cars as well. ClubRSX, Newtiburon, neweclipse, etc. many of them actually praise the celica. Most people are car enthusiasts, not only their-own-car oriented people. Many people care about whats going on in the import world. There are posts about other cars floatiing around, especially WRXs, Lancers and RSXs, those threads don't get much flak for not being celica oriented.
And well, for those of you who don't care, why did you read the article?

[00BlackGT-S]

Originally posted by larryd
i like the new tiburons but I think Hyundai went the wrong way when they put a 6cyl in it.. I think they should have put a turbo 4 in it.
I totally agree with Larry on this one. If they really want to sell a car, they just had to say the magic word: Turbo.

And IMO, they're ugly as f*ck. But not as ugly as the LeBaron...

[Keyshawn]

Hmmm

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by larryd
i like the new tiburons but I think Hyundai went the wrong way when they put a 6cyl in it.. I think they should have put a turbo 4 in it.


Larry,

you are asking too much from hyundai man... :D:

[gts24]

Quite frankly after helping start the website that I have... (here in Minnesota) I've learned to be more and more appreciative of other cars and other technologies.

I also hate it when dip****s have to have a holier than thou attitude about their cars. This guy isn't doing that, he's asking for an opinion. Basically I think that Hyundai is going in the right direction.

Do I like the new tiburon? Yes, I think it looks great. Am I skeptical about the reliability of the car? yes I am.
Basically the new tiburon is definitely a step in the right direction.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by gts24
Quite frankly after helping start the website that I have... (here in Minnesota) I've learned to be more and more appreciative of other cars and other technologies.

I also hate it when dip****s have to have a holier than thou attitude about their cars. This guy isn't doing that, he's asking for an opinion. Basically I think that Hyundai is going in the right direction...

:werd: I especially hate it when some of those holier-than-thou-dip$hits turn out to be fellow Celica owners.

[doctafrese]

I was kinda hoping for more positive feedback but it looks like I struck a nerve more than anything by posting this on your forum and I apologize. There are alot of regulars from newcelica on the newtiburon board that represent their cars and YOU ALL very well, they bring with them alot of knowledge and information. I know this is the newceli forum but I figured we are all car enthusiasts right? I personally love to read articles, reviews and any new info that is released on cars, especially sport compacts, so I figured some of you would be interested also. My bad

http://www.newtiburon.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=1453

[ohwhatafeeling]

I was interested...and it was a great article...thanks for sharing... I think everyone should feel happy that someone OTHER than a Celica owner just came to the forum, not to brag or taunt or talk sh*t, but rather to just talk cars....thanks

[steckelberg]

Keyshawn & GTS24 I feel you. I got a GTS. I have friends that own WRX, Audi A4, Eclipse, Maza MP3 and the new Tiburon. We have a hella good time racing around and talking about our cars. We talk a little smach to each other cause veryone loves their own ride but we RESPECT other cars. I'm a car enthusiast and I liked the article. It's looks good and performs decent for the price. Our course I wouldn't trade my celica for anything less that an elise.

[jotan82]

i saw a black one with a body kit on it today :AF:

looks good to me

[JjAnGxB0i 143]

i like the new Tiburons - thinking about getting one. i wanted a Celica real bad but sometimes i think Hyundai offers more...like the warranty deals and stuff.

[2002GT_Celica]

I apologize if I misconstrued the meaning of this thread. Nevertheless, I will admit the article was somewhat interesting. And yes, Hyundai is going in the correct direction. But the question is whether this car can be a reliable daily driver or not. I see some older Hyundais running around my area, so I suppose it has a great chance of having excellent reliability. :)

[SlasherX]

Mmmm..love the smell of BS, magazine, and bench racing all wrapped up in one thread.

let's see some real track numbers and lay the other unimportant stuff out to pasture..numbers tell the real story here.

[larryd]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


I do realize that the Tiburon may be quicker. But I ask you, what the hell does this have to do with Celica's at all? Last time I checked this was a Celica General Discussion. I just think it is stupid to post this in this forum. I know I don't care and I am sure others feel the same way, and to be honest, I am sure if I were to go on a Tiburon board and post articles about the Hotchkis Celica, they would not appreciate it. But whatever, to each his own. All I know is that the Tiburon is going to be a flash in the pan. Why? It's an unreliable Hyundai, and the engine it uses is nothing special.

newcelica.org welcomes all car owners and quite frankly its nice to read something different everyonce in a while.. last time I checked your just a member here, when you start paying the bills around here then you can tell people from other sites what they can adn cant post, till then keep your derogative board related comments to yourself..

[SlickCar]

Hey...
2002GT_Celica

From someone with over 687 posts and classified as a senior member.. I would expect better responds from you than that.
this is the general discussion... therefore anything goes.

You said it is "not celica related".
R u sure? Have you double checked ?

I read the article and it is pretty much celica related to me...
why you might ask?
It is because they did mention "celica" in their Tiburon GT review...THEREFORE, it is celica related.

I'm sorry to say this but I think you didn't think before you post.

If you don;t like it.. you don;t have to read the post you know..
no one is forcing you ...you know..

CELICA RULEZ !
Laterz !

[ID_Tuning]

i have a 03 and a 97 tiburon.
97 tib has well over 130K on the OD, more than reliable..

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by B-GTS
Hotckis Celica will destroy that car, even with 240HP on tap.

And how the hell do you know that? You haven't driven either car, and the same reviewer hasn't even driven both cars. So you're going to compare numbers and opinions made by two different people, at two different times, in two different places? That's not valid at all. Until you've driven both cars, or there's at least a comparison done, keep stupid comments like this to yourself. You have a clue as to what you're talking about.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by ID_Tuning
i have a 03 and a 97 tiburon.
97 tib has well over 130K on the OD, more than reliable..
I wouldn't really call that reliable. Come back when you have twice as many miles. Then you'll be competing with Toyota and Honda in terms of reliablility. I've looked at SAE articles (the few they have) on Hyundai's, and I'm not very impressed with their design or build quality. They do get a lot of technology for the buck, but the shortcuts they take to keep costs down are very apparent.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by steckelberg
I hate it when i see Magazines post our car with a 7.3 sec 0-60mph time. I think Road and Track is the only one that gets it right at 6.8.
This is the damn problem with mag racing. You can't quote the best time for a car. You can't quote the worst time for a car. It's not even valid to quote times taken from a head to head comparison. The only way to get statistically valid results is to take all of the data and interpolate results from that...period. The Tib guy quotes a high 0-60 for the Celica. The Celica guy counters with a low time for the Celica. Which is right? Neither. The 0-60 for the Celica will probably normally fall in the middle of that somewhere. 95% of the tests probably won't show 7.3 and they certainly won't show 6.8.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by ToyoGT



you know Ford pays them "under the table" to do this. It's the only REAL explaination ;)
Forget the wink. The 10 Best List and MT Cars/Trucks of the year are all purchased awards. That's why you'll never see me talk about my cars winning MT Import Car of the year, nor being on the 10 Best List for many years in a row. It's a meaningless award that's more advertising than anything.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


:werd: I especially hate it when some of those holier-than-thou-dip$hits turn out to be fellow Celica owners.
This board is rather full of them.

[dvs1]

I say give them a few more years & they may really be hell. I still don't get the obsession with 0-60 times. Handles are our bread & butter. I can remember a few short years ago when the celica wouldn't cut it.
I have had a nissan, acura, & now a toyota so I have mutual respects for all. The v-6 is my only issue with it, when making an old & new comparison they are making giant steps. 10 year warranty on our toyotas would be nice.

[yakkosmurf]

Yes, the Toyotas do need a longer warranty. But I'd rather have my transferrable 4 year/50k mile warranty than a longer one that wasn't transferrable.

[SovKhan]

my coug has a 60k 4 year transferrable.

[Tibfighter]

Originally posted by larryd


newcelica.org welcomes all car owners and quite frankly its nice to read something different everyonce in a while.. last time I checked your just a member here, when you start paying the bills around here then you can tell people from other sites what they can adn cant post, till then keep your derogative board related comments to yourself..

I'm one of the admin over at NewTiburon. We've done everything we can to instill quality discussion about all sport compact cars. We encourage it at every oppurtunity. This is only natural because our moderators have owned a wide selection of cars (older Tiburons, Celicas, 90 300ZX TT, Sunfire, Civics, etc) in the past. Not only that, but both myself and another Admin came down to choosing between a Celica and a 2K3 Tiburon.

Both the 2k3 Tib and the 2k+ Celica have new edge styling, fantastic 6-speed trannies, and track worthy handling characteristics. In my opinion, the Celica has one thing the Tiburon doesn't; a gem in the engine bay. The 2ZZ-GE engine is a marvelous motor and something all Celica fans can be proud of.

The Tiburon's Delta 2.7l DOHC V6 may sprout a performance variation in the future, but for now, 181hp and 177lb. ft. of torque is more than enough power when one considers the cost of the car.

At this point, I just don't think Hyundai has the R&D capabilities to develop a high output, low displacement, 4-cylinder engine that makes in the neighbourhood of 200hp. The 140hp, DOHC, 4-cylinder sitting in the base 2k3 Tiburons, you have to remember, is nothing more than a Hyundai variation of Mitsubishi's legendary 4G63T..... Hyundai basically got to help itself to Mitsubishi's parts bin.... this is intrigueing because it makes a factory turbocharged 4-cylinder Tiburon all the more possible.

This is the 2K3 Tiburon's 2.0l 4-cylinder w/ an aftermarket turbo kit.
http://www.clubtuscani.com/technote/board/board_tuning/upimg/1025342693.JPG
http://www.clubtuscani.com/technote/board/board_tuning/upimg/1025342533.JPG

doctafrese, sorry for going off on you. I was a little out of line. I guess I'v seen to many threads like this turn nasty (on J-body boards, Neon boards, etc).

[doctafrese]

Not a problem bro, I can understand where your comin from lookin at it from your point of view. You guys are doin a great job over on the forum, much props.

I just got through reading the thread on the new 2003 Celi GT-S. It sounds like it is gonna be off the chain, even though there is some speculation of Toyota resorting to the drive by wire. I wish I could add some inputs to the subject but I have no prior experience with DBW. Problems with new releases are inevitable, but hopefully for your guys sake everything goes smooth. God knows we have had our fair share of problems with the tib but thankfully nothing major.

Some of you guys on this forum need a hug!

[Shadowgate]

Tiburon = Good car
Celica = Good car
Now lets get along! :)

[6SPDGTS]

Whop cares what they run to 60. I luv my celi. Yakko luves his type R and these guys luv the tibs. Thats whats its all about plain and simple.

[HilfigerCelica]

Can't we all get along and respect what other people drive?

[yakkosmurf]

I leave for 5 days and this thread turns into a petition for a love fest... I think I'm going to be sick. :puke:

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by larryd


newcelica.org welcomes all car owners and quite frankly its nice to read something different everyonce in a while.. last time I checked your just a member here, when you start paying the bills around here then you can tell people from other sites what they can adn cant post, till then keep your derogative board related comments to yourself..

I believe I apologized in a later post...I guess you missed it.

[GTSgoVROOM]

I haven't seen posts like this for a while... I think this board isn't just for Celica's, but for all car enthusiasts (ie, yakko, chui, and Slash) IMO, between those 3, their posts are the most informative. I consider it an asset that people like that post here. Now when people go say that this is just a celica board, that just ruins everything...

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by GTSgoVROOM
I haven't seen posts like this for a while... I think this board isn't just for Celica's, but for all car enthusiasts (ie, yakko, chui, and Slash) IMO, between those 3, their posts are the most informative. I consider it an asset that people like that post here. Now when people go say that this is just a celica board, that just ruins everything...

As I said, I apologized earlier for what I said. I don't believe there is any need to rehash what was said.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


As I said, I apologized earlier for what I said. I don't believe there is any need to rehash what was said.

Agreed. Props for being man enough to apologize and admit you were wrong. It's not an easy thing to do.