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PhReEk

07-01-2002, 06:46 PM

Ok, there's a lot of jabbering going around about turbo from TRD and other people as well, i heard that a turbo and intercooler will only be made for the Celica GT (lucky me!) which would boost from like 140 hp to a little above 200 MAYBE ? ok well, i gots a question for you techy guys cuz i don't know much about all that stuff ... the difference between GT and GT-S is the timing, the bore, and the compression ... SOOOOOO if i were to bore out and up the compression of my GT to that of the GT-S it should be close to the same HP (180)... then could i still add the turbo to it and basically get a GT-S turbo? and if so ... what would be the purposed #'s i'd get out of that... any ideas?

also i want to do a new exaust system from the headers all the way back... so like how much HP should i get ... if it's even possible

GT-S Celica

07-01-2002, 06:56 PM

if that was possible, somebody would've done it already. the 1zz and the 2zz is totally a different engine.

spaldam

07-01-2002, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by GT-S Celica
if that was possible, somebody would've done it already. the 1zz and the 2zz is totally a different engine.

Yeah, try telling that to the guys at the local Checker who tried to sell me on some cheap spark plugs instead of the Iridium plugs that are recomended.

But, yeah, there's a lot more going on then just a differance in boar and strok or even compression ratios. The ECU is differnt, the cam profiles are different, etc. etc.

PhReEk

07-01-2002, 07:13 PM

yeah yeah yeah i KNOW there's more differences ... i just want to know if it would work ... i know i'd need new pistons and rods and reinforcement and tons of other stuff... but is it feasable ... will it work or not... if i do it, will i be able to walk away in one piece?

PhReEk

07-01-2002, 07:36 PM

actually, just hit me... someone DID do it

surely you people saw the march 02 SuperStreet with the red dragon celica on the cover ... he had a GT2530 turbocharger on it, it was custom done i think, but it was done one way or another ...
i'm just waiting for the TRD one ... if it comes out ... for one reason and one reason only... WARRANTY

so look, all i'm asking is once i get the turbo and all on there, if i were to bore it out and get the compression back up there, what would my numbers be, because i'm sure boring it out and upping the compression would give me somewhere close to what the GT-S has, it's a simple question that you are all taking the wrong way... all i want to know is if it's possible and what the #'s would be... not the differences in the engines, i know the differences! just tell me YES or NO, and if YES, how much HP would i be pushin?

charlez13

07-01-2002, 07:57 PM

NO :D lol, just messin

PhReEk

07-01-2002, 08:03 PM

C'MON! quit screwin around! will it work or not? :P big buncha dorks!

oooh i said a bad word! lol

charlez13

07-01-2002, 08:11 PM

ok, fine, first of all, i wouldnt chance boring the 1zz or 2zz, the area between the bores is very small and you run a risk of screwing up your whole block. second, if your going to put a turbo in you dont want a very high compression ratio. high compression+turbo= very bad things

PhReEk

07-01-2002, 08:19 PM

hmm well thanks for giving me a straight answer ... but if it were possible ... i'll have to check in to that ... plus i'm not going to make the compression real high, just get it up there to about where it is now ... because boring it out will lower the compression...

and since i don't know, i'll ask... can i jsut go to a shop and ask them if it would be possible to bore it out, even just a little bit? i asked a few people and they said i should if i get them reinforced... but i never thought about how close together they are because of such a small engine ... because the GT is slightly smaller than the G-S but... even if i can't get the same bore, i could bore it out slightly, right?

larryd

07-02-2002, 03:04 AM

please keep F/I posts in the F/I forum

PorkchopSpecblue GT-S

07-02-2002, 12:22 PM

Ummm the dispacement is the same between the 1zz and the 2zz. For you to make the same hp you would need to fabricate 11.5/1 compresion pistons a better cam and a higher flowing head. I'm not sure if the 1zz rods can hold up but I would replace that too. This is all if it were possible of course.

F22-Raptor

07-02-2002, 02:35 PM

You would have to resleeve the cylinder walls if you bored it out. The lining of the cylinder wall is relly thin coated nickasil. If you overbored you would need to resleeve with iron sleeves or something equiv.

Bravo

07-02-2002, 02:56 PM

Won't you need to add a 2nd cam? Since the 180 hp is produced when the 2nd cam is engaged.

charlez13

07-02-2002, 06:08 PM

actually its not a different cam in lift, its the same cam only the size of the cam lobes change, here: http://www.howstuffworks.com/camshaft3.htm

i know it says vtec on it, but the concept is still the same

larryd

07-03-2002, 12:42 AM

hehe.. I was just laughing to myself about this the other day.. i used to always say at 6000 the second cam kicks in.. WTF was I thinking.. the second cam?? so what my intake cam works all th etime and the exhaust cam only works above 6k :).. seriously though I understand engines much better now.. now practice with me. not second cam, the higher cam profile

JD32

07-03-2002, 07:41 AM

wouldn't changing internals/making any kind of modification internally void ur warranty? just a thought..

Originally posted by PhReEk

i'm just waiting for the TRD one ... if it comes out ... for one reason and one reason only... WARRANTY

F22-Raptor

07-03-2002, 08:15 AM

Yes unless it was TRD USA parts and Toyota did the work putting it in.

JD32

07-03-2002, 08:23 AM

the last time i checked, Toyota didin't do any type of engine conversion...
Originally posted by F22-Raptor
Yes unless it was TRD USA parts and Toyota did the work putting it in.

PhReEk

07-03-2002, 09:28 AM

Yeah, but i'm going to do all the real work after the turbo's in there, i'll get toyota to put it in and give me the 1 year unlimited mileage warranty... once that's up, IT'S ON! heh...
i don't want to make my engine exactly like the GT-S i just want it relatively the same, with the bore and compression and hew pistons and rods and cams, new headers and completely redone exaust with twin pipes out the back of my (soon to be) veilside C-1 kit, maybe a new trans... since mine's an auto :(
HEY! anyone wanna teach me how to drive a stick?
anyway, if i do all that what kinda HP would i have? anyone? anyone?

David Draper

07-03-2002, 10:59 AM

Actually, this is totally doable. All you need is a 2ZZ block, head, wire harness, ECU, and transmission.

Drops right in, and gets you the 180 hp you're looking for.

Actually, everyone.....TRD isn't going to sell any street-legal engine parts for the 1ZZ or 2ZZ, and are almost certainly not going to release a forced induction kit for the 2ZZ (although a really good alternative seems to be in motion).

Don't monkey around with the bore/stroke of a 1ZZ. You can't bore it out, as the cylinders are right on top of each other, and this isn't a solid block, it's an open-deck design, so you only have a few millimeters of cylinder wall as it is.

Just wait for the turbo...

PhReEk

07-03-2002, 04:13 PM

Hey David, where's you get that picture of those headlights?! i want those so bad, i wanan know how much they cost ... and i want to print them out and ask some shops around here see what the best deal is

Kaizer-Souze

07-03-2002, 04:59 PM

if you are talking about the grey ports m headlights they are about 3000 dollars and they come with hid low beams and high beams as well as the new housing and you have to special order them from japan, as far as what you want to do, don't raise the compression up to a gts level when you turbo keep it los just turn up the psi on your turbo system however if you want to get any of this done I suggest you find a shop that is confident in doing a job of this size and has good references and then direct every question to them cause they are the ones who have to do the work and good luck on it, lastly the article about the red celica was good but as far as i rememeber it also had quite a few technical mess ups in print so don't believe everythin you hear

MSR27

07-03-2002, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by David Draper
Actually, this is totally doable. All you need is a 2ZZ block, head, wire harness, ECU, and transmission.

Drops right in, and gets you the 180 hp you're looking for.

Actually, everyone.....TRD isn't going to sell any street-legal engine parts for the 1ZZ or 2ZZ, and are almost certainly not going to release a forced induction kit for the 2ZZ (although a really good alternative seems to be in motion).

Don't monkey around with the bore/stroke of a 1ZZ. You can't bore it out, as the cylinders are right on top of each other, and this isn't a solid block, it's an open-deck design, so you only have a few millimeters of cylinder wall as it is.

Just wait for the turbo...

Thats pretty much doing an engine swap from a 1ZZ-FE to a 2ZZ-GE. It'll pretty much be a GT-S. You have to understand,(this is not to you David D.) you cant just raise the compression and bore out your head. the 2ZZ-GE has LIFT. You would need that cam lobe and ECU.

PhReEk

07-04-2002, 09:59 AM

well... where can i go to order those headlights, cuz i want them so bad...

and thanks to all you guys for your input ... i'll see what i can do

Drag'nGT

07-05-2002, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by PhReEk
anyway, if i do all that what kinda HP would i have? anyone? anyone?

You need on f*cking riddlein or something dude. Calm down. :D

Those Sports M headlights like Kaizer-Souze told you are $3000.

Your auto trans to a manual swap will cost you another $3000.

And the WC turbo kit would run you another $3500.

Now that alone is $9500. Without sales tax. And then there's tuning to do.

If I'm not mistaken the cylinder walls on the Celica will hold up much better than a Honda engine and therefor don't need to be sleaved. Someone here will correct me if I'm wrong. ;) But you will need internals like, cams, heads, and connection rods. All of those things, combined with the right engine management system, good fuel flow and a nice turbo kit will give you more power than you'll get going your other direction.

Oh. And lets not forget that lovely LSD you'll need to help stick to the road. :burnout:

PhReEk

07-05-2002, 03:09 PM

well since i already got a good following of people reading this ... is it possible to make the celica all-wheel drive? do like a 65 front 35 back division of horsepower or something...

cards42leal

07-12-2002, 11:45 PM

I dont think so because the engines are just too different GT and GTS.
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Originally posted by PhReEk
Ok, there's a lot of jabbering going around about turbo from TRD and other people as well, i heard that a turbo and intercooler will only be made for the Celica GT (lucky me!) which would boost from like 140 hp to a little above 200 MAYBE ? ok well, i gots a question for you techy guys cuz i don't know much about all that stuff ... the difference between GT and GT-S is the timing, the bore, and the compression ... SOOOOOO if i were to bore out and up the compression of my GT to that of the GT-S it should be close to the same HP (180)... then could i still add the turbo to it and basically get a GT-S turbo? and if so ... what would be the purposed #'s i'd get out of that... any ideas?

also i want to do a new exaust system from the headers all the way back... so like how much HP should i get ... if it's even possible

Deftech

07-13-2002, 02:03 AM

If you wanted to make the car AWD, Your first task is to look under the car and fathom fiting the other half of the drivetrain under the body past the gas tank around the exaughst and to the wheels. You are talking about a 10k plus custom job. Hope you are either loaded or very good at doing your own work.