No More Whining.......EIP Turbo is out! [Archive]

RUSHIIII

07-01-2002, 09:06 PM

Well ppl I just looked over at EIP's Website and the kit is now out. As stated before by someone, cant remeber who, might have been Racinjason, it is offered in 3 stages. You can also buy the Turbo Exhaust and the Connecting rods and pistons now too. I did not see any pricing for the 3 stages of kits but from what it reads the kits are available. So there you have it, time to separate the men from the boys. Enjoy.......

EIP KIT (http://www.eiptuning.com/projects/toyotacelicaturboproject.html)

Laters
Chris

lost808

07-01-2002, 09:29 PM

Kinda hard to see the dyno chart on my laptop...the stage 3 puts over 320 whp down??

RUSHIIII

07-01-2002, 09:31 PM

Yes it does 320whp at 14psi........

Laters
Chris

Tony01Gts

07-01-2002, 09:58 PM

***creamed my pants*** how much?

Tony01Gts

07-01-2002, 10:03 PM

dyno1 is with intake and exhaust and only 125 whp? on a GTS?

M SPEC

07-01-2002, 10:38 PM

wow, thats a pretty comprehensive kit. Love to get those connecting rods.

X-EVIL-X

07-02-2002, 02:30 AM

well there baseline dyno was a stock AUTO gts...
they've had it for a long time so they use it for a baseline...
the stage 3 is 320 to the wheels which is 380hp or so.
if i were to get a kit i would get the stage two...
i want to know pricing.
260 wheel hp would be insane...

larryd

07-02-2002, 03:01 AM

yeah I guess they dont list pricing on their site?

PinoyGTS

07-02-2002, 10:53 AM

Why are the stock numbers so low? Why is the dyno graphed against speed (MPH) instead of RPM? I'd like to see it graphed against the RPM to see how the lift engagment is affected.

vis-celica

07-02-2002, 11:38 AM

stage 2 is 5995 and stage 1 is 3995 the only difference b/w the 2 is intercooler on stage 2 and copper head gasket.

New_Name

07-02-2002, 11:50 AM

6g's for stage two is tempting, but i wonder how much it would be for install and if there would be a need for internal mods?....hmmm....imma call EIP....

what is what on the dyno test....?if so then is stage two
Black is stage 1
Red is stage 2
Blue is stage 3
am i right......

if so then is the stage two at 260max....?

PorkchopSpecblue GT-S

07-02-2002, 11:52 AM

Damn they said its a full bolt on turbo kit. One thing I forgot to ask is how they addressed the problem of the returnless fuel system.......maybe they didn't. Can someone call and find out. I already called there and forgot to ask that.

DevlynSyde

07-02-2002, 12:26 PM

The Red line says it includes the TECIII and the Stage 2 component listing doesn't list the TECIII, so the numbers for the system would be lower, no?

teknophreak

07-02-2002, 02:58 PM

what is what on the dyno test....?if so then is stage two
Black is stage 1
Red is stage 2
Blue is stage 3
am i right......

if so then is the stage two at 260max....?

Black is stock
Red is Stage 3 at 9 psi
Green is Stage 3 at 14 psi.

At least I assume its stage 3 since that's the only one that comes with the TEC III

Stage 1 and 2 appear to be straight bolt ons, still retaining stock fuel system and ECU control. Stage 3 includes the engine upgrade to internals and the TEC II, as well as a whole new fuel system

New_Name

07-02-2002, 06:44 PM

i'd like to see some dynos for the stage 2 system....

GTS LAID

07-02-2002, 08:39 PM

is there a problem with calling them and asking?

Keyshawn

07-02-2002, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by GTS LAID
is there a problem with calling them and asking?

:werd: I agree, its always best to go straight to the source of the info to make sure its true. I get concerned that some peeps rely on the boards too much for their info, some of which is nothin' but inaccurate rumors.

jotan82

07-02-2002, 11:27 PM

looks like some prayers have been answered...

too late for me though

lost808

07-03-2002, 12:29 AM

I for one am glad someone has something out there now...mebbe it will start a trend.

larryd

07-03-2002, 12:44 AM

start a trend? what this kit isnt good enuf?

X-EVIL-X

07-03-2002, 04:15 AM

this kit is all we need!!!
we have stages for what people want.
what more can you ask for???

i want to know torque figures also...

rrcelica

07-03-2002, 06:49 AM

I called them the other day and they said the kits aren't ready yet. They were suppose to call me back with some pricing estimates but never did. I need to call them back. If they have some kind of payment plan I'm getting the stage 3 for sure.

Just thought I'll post a quick update.

rrcelica

cruzerz545

07-03-2002, 06:54 AM

A payment plan would rock. Hmmmm time to part out the 300zx ?

Originally posted by rrcelica
I called them the other day and they said the kits aren't ready yet. They were suppose to call me back with some pricing estimates but never did. I need to call them back. If they have some kind of payment plan I'm getting the stage 3 for sure.

Just thought I'll post a quick update.

rrcelica

New_Name

07-03-2002, 07:28 AM

i called yesterday and he said the 1-2 kits are ready, but the 3 kit still needs work to be done, so thats y he cant give a price on that yet.....the prices are for the 1-2 kit are stated above by vis celica

X-EVIL-X

07-03-2002, 12:07 PM

torque figures???
and is it safe to not have an fmic for the first kit???
how safe is this kit for a daily driver

DIABLO6SPEED

07-03-2002, 10:49 PM

i like how the base stock model was done at 80ish deg. F and all of the turbo runs where done in the 60's. so can this kit be used on a stock car, no moded internals(headers and such)? also, like evil said, how safe for daily driver?

00BlackGT-S

07-04-2002, 02:55 AM

Does it fit autos?

Stephen G

07-04-2002, 03:24 AM

Is it just me or is www.eiptuning.com not happy at the moment? Can't get on :(

ArchangelX

07-04-2002, 10:16 AM

I'm coming into a rather LARGE sum of money, and I'm thinking about selling the Nitrous kit and doing this turbo option.

It looks awesome....

Anyone got any more info than what's on that site..like pricing and if it retains the "lift"?

Thanks..

PaCelicaGTS

07-04-2002, 10:31 AM

ok if your getting a turbo, y would you want to retain lift?? b/c instead of lift you would have the boost from the turbo

Drag'nGT

07-04-2002, 10:50 AM

Just a question... Why is stage 2 $6,000 and has no internals? I could see that for a stage 3 but not a stage 2.

Well anyway that's for you GT-S' anyway.... :D

Keyshawn

07-04-2002, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Drag'nGT
Just a question... Why is stage 2 $6,000 and has no internals? I could see that for a stage 3 but not a stage 2.

Well anyway that's for you GT-S' anyway.... :D

Basically, it appears like Stage 2 is very similar to XS Engineering's set-up, just a little more expensive. The good news is that it seems to be available to everyone, unlike the XS kit, which is limited to those able to leave their car at XS's shop in So Cal.

Keyshawn

07-04-2002, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by PaCelicaGTS
ok if your getting a turbo, y would you want to retain lift?? b/c instead of lift you would have the boost from the turbo

Why not have both? The VTEC peeps that usually have to get rid of lift are the guys who drive 500+hp race-only dragsters. Virtually every streetable turbo kit made for Honda VTEC engines retain lift. No real reason why we shouldn't retain ours.

DIABLO6SPEED

07-04-2002, 11:21 AM

so who will actually be purchasing one of these kits? anyone here? i want a ride in your car when you get it! lol

Jusone36

07-04-2002, 12:16 PM

so this is for gt-s only? are gt auto's applicable? what is the hp/torque output b/w stage I & stage II? i didn't see that in the thread. is there no absolute need for a front mount intercooler for Stage I? why is that? i guess it time for me to plcae a call :rolleyes:

X-EVIL-X

07-04-2002, 03:42 PM

i wouldn't buy the kit if it didn't retain the kit.
taking out lift would be like taking away the fun of the car.
i want lift and boost!!!

T3HKMAN

07-04-2002, 06:56 PM

Hey all, I live in Maryland and even though I have a GT and the kit is for the GT-S I was interested in what they were all about so I called them.

I talked to someone and this person was asking someone in the background my questions. I asked about all three kits and they are not finished with the pricing for the Stage 3 yet. Stage 1 is around $3500 and Stage 2 is around $6000, labor for both will be around $1200. Again this is directly from them, so feel free to give them a call to verify.

Now this is the kicker, they told me that the Stage 2 kit is good for 320 whp. Yes, that's what they said. Yes I asked them again and then the guy I was talking to asked the guy in the background and he then confirmed that. That's 320 to the ground at 14psi. I asked how this would be as a daily driver and they said fine. I asked about return fuel line and that's when they stopped aswering questions. Guess they though I was a rival company.

For my fellow GT owners they said that the GT is definitely in the research and development phase for turbo.

DIABLO6SPEED

07-04-2002, 09:34 PM

i thought that the stage 3 was 320 hp and the stage 2 was 260hp?

X-EVIL-X

07-05-2002, 01:48 AM

me 2

Trial00GTS

07-05-2002, 02:39 AM

upgrade with thier internals means more boost
that's how you get 320 from stage 2 right?

Drag'nGT

07-05-2002, 07:52 AM

Hmmm.... Why not buy the stage one and do this...?

Buy an intercooler and have a shop bend you some pipes. It'll only run you $300. And then buy their internals. There's no sense in buying the stage 2 when the only difference is an intercooler.

Stage 1: $3500
Intercooler and pipes: $1000-1200
EIP heads: $799
EIP connection rods: $799
EIP cooper head gasket: $149

You'd have a nearly stage 3 package for close to the price of a stage 2. $6247. True, there are some things from the stage 3 package that you wouldn't be getting but no one here is going to spend that much for the stage 3 anyway. Stage 2 seems to be the highest anyone is willing to go.

nate22

07-05-2002, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Drag'nGT

True, there are some things from the stage 3 package that you wouldn't be getting

hehe.....VERY true.........like, uhm....the stand-alone?

tech III was it? http://icons.pauo.com/logo/em86.gif j/k

Da Kine Guy

07-05-2002, 11:37 AM

Dude, you guys are gonna be sooooooooooo fast :)

X-EVIL-X

07-05-2002, 01:32 PM

with 320 to the wheels well be soooooo fast if we can get traction.
with traction on the 260 wheel hp kit i think 12's are very possible.
The reason why people aren't getting better times on a 50 shot is because all the torque is at 3800RPM(189tq) and peek hp is 210 to the wheels. i couldn't emagine 260 wheel hp. i want to know torque figures also!!!
The fastest a person has got was a 13.12(50 shot) but i think that was with slicks. people just spin threw the first few gears on nos. with a turbo the power will be smoother i think and not have that huge jump of torque at such low rpm.
someone buy this kit dammit!!! i want to see what its capable of.
i should take out a loan:)

Oo DaRk StAr oO

07-05-2002, 02:37 PM

Well, I guess when my internals finally get put in ill be able to see how much we can really push. I think 250fwhp is going to be a threshold... like Eli said... traction is a big problem. Let's see.

celicauk

07-05-2002, 02:52 PM

I reckon you could save further by using the power fc and its turbo control add on with this package, no need to feck around with sensors and whatnot either.

Keyshawn

07-05-2002, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Well, I guess when my internals finally get put in ill be able to see how much we can really push. I think 250fwhp is going to be a threshold... like Eli said... traction is a big problem. Let's see.

Any plans to somehow strengthen your transmission? I don't know if your stock auto tranny will support that much power.

maztur

07-05-2002, 05:25 PM

About the returnless fuel system, SCC did an article on turbocharging their Matrix. They addressed this issue in the magazine, but I forget HOW they did it.

swift 21

07-05-2002, 06:40 PM

how can they get so much power from stage two and xs couldnt get that much power??

yota_racer

07-05-2002, 07:13 PM

SWEET!!! I plan on running turbo by March of 2003 if not sooner. Just need to save up some $$.

X-EVIL-X

07-05-2002, 08:17 PM

xs did get 251 to the wheels with there kit but in street legal trim it made 233 or something like that.
i think the illegal way was they were running open exhaust.
also on this they are running 9psi arent they?
xs was running 7 i think.
the article is in the reviews.
either turbo kit would be worth it in my opinion.
it does seem like they use higher quility parts for this kit though...

Trial00GTS

07-05-2002, 08:28 PM

X-EVIL-X

07-05-2002, 10:06 PM

i prefer not to use credit card at all.
ive bought everything i did to my car with cash so far but if its too hard to save up for this i might go that route.
im sure people will start getting these once they are made more public...

shyvpboi

07-06-2002, 01:50 AM

I don't get it, on the stock dyno, the gts with intake & exhaust dyno at 128HP. So why is that, is it because they disable the vvtl-i?

X-EVIL-X

07-06-2002, 01:46 PM

no its because its an auto gts dyno.
they actually put out numbers around that low.

igotan02=/

07-06-2002, 04:25 PM

In the graph it shows no lift engament at around 6k rpms.. The graph with the intake and exhaust.. Are the auto's like that?

X-EVIL-X

07-06-2002, 07:44 PM

i wouldn't worry about the graph of the stock auto gts run because it doesn't mean anything.
just look at the other gains and if you want compair them to a (6 speed)gts with intake/exhaust.

larryd

07-06-2002, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
with 320 to the wheels well be soooooo fast if we can get traction.
with traction on the 260 wheel hp kit i think 12's are very possible.
The reason why people aren't getting better times on a 50 shot is because all the torque is at 3800RPM(189tq) and peek hp is 210 to the wheels. i couldn't emagine 260 wheel hp. i want to know torque figures also!!!
The fastest a person has got was a 13.12(50 shot) but i think that was with slicks. people just spin threw the first few gears on nos. with a turbo the power will be smoother i think and not have that huge jump of torque at such low rpm.
someone buy this kit dammit!!! i want to see what its capable of.
i should take out a loan:)

yes and no.. power is a little smoother but not enuf to keep traction.. its not linear like a s/c is.. its like as soon as the turbo hits full boost BOOM instant torque.. here is a copy of my dyno on my eclipse with my T25 just to give u an idea.. of how fast this thing makes instant power..

<img src="http://www.newcelica.org/larryd/dyno/02-01-02-dyno3.jpg">

as you can see I hit full boost almost instantly and within a 1000 rpms Im at 280 torque to the wheels.. that means spinnage.. same with the Celica yer more becuase the car is even lighter.. just giving you a heads up

X-EVIL-X

07-07-2002, 04:32 AM

damn...
looks a lot like a 50 shot dyno except for it went up low than down and up again because of lift...
you think a supercharger would help this a lot?

larryd

07-07-2002, 04:44 AM

i think a s/c would be alot more linear then a turbo..you can launch a s/c car easier then you can launch a turbo car i can tell you that much, but overall a turbo will still pull a s/c car top end with everything else being equal

t2000gts

07-07-2002, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by larryd
i think a s/c would be alot more linear then a turbo..you can launch a s/c car easier then you can launch a turbo car i can tell you that much, but overall a turbo will still pull a s/c car top end with everything else being equal

you sure about that? in FWD? i though the extra torque down low would make launching harder...with the turbo lag, you don't have as much torque to the wheels, easier to get traction.

however, if you have gearing/traction settled out, then yeah i agree :) that's be nice...just stomp the gas and pull hard instantly to redline.

t2000gts

07-07-2002, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Keyshawn

Any plans to somehow strengthen your transmission? I don't know if your stock auto tranny will support that much power.

the auto can take up to 280-300hp with minimal modifications, but still modifications (mostly just ATF cooler, and if you can find a compatible synthetic ATF, maybe get a tranny shop in the area to put tougher clutch packs in and something to shift quicker (less heat)). don't need an actual complete rebuild.

pepsiman

07-07-2002, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica

You have been posting in every forum about how you are considering getting another car and in every thread, you bitch somehow about how the Celica falls short of your expectations. If you want 300 HP, a Celica is not going to give it to you. Why? Because there is almost no way you are going to be able to put all that power to the ground with a stock Celica tranny. If you really want 300 HP (which would be way too much for the Celica anyways) then get a Camaro or Firebird used with the LS1 engine in it and quit your *****ing.

Finally my dream come true~

Drag'nGT

07-08-2002, 08:05 AM

Who was 2002GT_Celica talking to when he said that??? I can't find it.

nate22

07-08-2002, 08:11 AM

it's just an old post from another thread a little while back........hehe...perfect placement...niiiiiiiiiiice

PorkchopSpecblue GT-S

07-08-2002, 09:15 AM

I wanna know how they addressed the returnless fuel system?? Can anyone find out?

pepsiman

07-08-2002, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Drag'nGT
Who was 2002GT_Celica talking to when he said that??? I can't find it.

it was thread "T3/T4 too big for celicas??" posted by ME!
2002GT_Celica was talking to me! lol

pepsiman

07-08-2002, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by PorkchopSpecblue GT-S
I wanna know how they addressed the returnless fuel system?? Can anyone find out?

I don't think they'll tell us that since dats tha one of the hardest part for making turbo kit for celicas.

GTS LAID

07-08-2002, 02:10 PM

I'm sure if someone made a valiant effort to ask about the returnless system then they'd answer it... remember this is a company that wants to sell these things.

valkyrie

07-09-2002, 12:44 PM

how much?
no info about the price
uh ...

celicauk

07-09-2002, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by GTS LAID
I'm sure if someone made a valiant effort to ask about the returnless system then they'd answer it... remember this is a company that wants to sell these things.

Its not that big a hurdle really, its just a bit different and requires some extra thought.

cards42leal

07-12-2002, 11:35 PM

My biggest concern is how good is this going to be for the daily driver. Is the car going to be running too lean. Just dont want to blow my engine running 250+HP.

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
torque figures???
and is it safe to not have an fmic for the first kit???
how safe is this kit for a daily driver

Turbobug

07-14-2002, 09:33 PM

just to give you guys a heads up...EIP is known in the VW world as just about the worst company. They are horrible with customer serivce and will take your money at any chance they will get. I had a friend order a turbo kit and the only way he would get it from EIP was a legal threat to deliver.

Be warned.

Lilsupra

07-14-2002, 09:55 PM

I suggest you call XS Engineering and have them sell you their kit...doesnt matter that its not out...u got the cash they got answers.

Oo DaRk StAr oO

07-14-2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Turbobug
just to give you guys a heads up...EIP is known in the VW world as just about the worst company. They are horrible with customer serivce and will take your money at any chance they will get. I had a friend order a turbo kit and the only way he would get it from EIP was a legal threat to deliver.

Be warned.

A friend of mine has an Audi TT and he warned me about them also.