05' mustang = ugly as all hell

[SovKhan]

i wanted to get a new GT Mustang for my first brand new car a new mustang in few years after college. i was looking at the next possible design and it was the ugliest thing i had ever seen, this retro crap ford is doing is horrible. looks like ill be jumping on the import bandwagon if they ever make such a horrible looking car. untile then ill be drivin my 99' coug (i know all of u hate coug's so no need to bad mouth them)

[Baldhead_J]

Post the link to check the Mustank out. (It wasn't a typo)

[WillyK]

Pics?

[SovKhan]

sorry i would have thought you guys woulda known

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/AutomobileMag2004mustang.jpg

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/mtconceptmustang.jpg

and no these are not drawings of older stangs, they are concepts for the new design style. errr

[Baldhead_J]

Welcome to 1967!

[djm221]

Retro craze is going a little to far. How about some originality?

[CelicaDetective]

Concept art. It won't look like that. Maybe close, but I doubt it will be that "radical". It will probably be the current body with new moldings. But who knows, I heard they are dropping a 5.0 back in there.

Mike

[SovKhan]

no 05 marks the new platform for the mustang, they might even be putting a 5.0 back in.

[JjAnGxB0i 143]

they're trying to bring the old style bacK?? gross~

[CelicaDetective]

You're right. I retract my previous statement. I should do more detective work sometimes .. it's just not easy, I'm busy "detectiving" the 03 Celica, 04 Lancer (now being said to be the Lancer EVO body and nameplate with an AirTrek engine... booo .. so a regular lancer with AWD and turbo), and the 03 SLP Monte Carlo SS (yes, SLP is going to have a package via Chevy for it).

In the "News" section of the new "Motor Trend", they have this interesting tidbit of info.

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Details of the '05 Mustang are leaking out of Dearborn on an almost daily basis. The hardtop model of Ford's all new pony/musclecar, which will be based on a modified DEW (Lincoln LS/Ford T-Bird) platform, will be a fastback much like the '65-'66 Mustang 2+2, on which the fastback tapered off to a short rear deck. It will continue with base (V-6), GT, and Cobra models, with styling evocative of the '67-'68s. But this new Mustang will not get annual or regular facelifts-the '05s styling will last. There will be annual special models, like the '02 Bullitt and '03 Mach I. While both of those were based on the current GT, this time there will also be special editions off the new V-6, which is said to have a premium look, despite its basecar status. The new Mustang will hit showrooms in fall 2004, although an official unveiling may coincide with the 40th anniversary of the original Mustang's April 17, 1964 debut.

[Griffin]

I dunno - I've kind of always like the 60s mustangs and Camaros. I like that style better than the current one.

Griffin

[gts24]

I don't get the whole retro craze either. I'm getting sick of it as a matter of fact.

the PT cruiser is the ugliest POS I've ever seen. Dont' the people that drive them realize it's just a minivan with a nose on it?

[WillyK]

I seriously hope it doesn't look like that, it is horrible. And why the hell do all concept cars have huge ugly ass rims on them?

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Baldhead_J
Welcome to 1967!
Yeah. Kind of looks like the styling trend they tried with that new Thunderbird. The new T-bird is selling very poorly too...

[gts24]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Yeah. Kind of looks like the styling trend they tried with that new Thunderbird. The new T-bird is selling very poorly too...

Honestly... Look at the T-bird.. . it's waaaayyy overpriced. It has NO room. and it's just an oval car with a grill on it.

I dunno what to think but hopefully ford because of the poor sales of the tbird will wake up and realize that we want inovation not simple redesigns...

[Wrekt]

ugh, we need some fresh designs.

[SovKhan]

dont get me wrong here, i like mustangs of the 60's and stuff. but if i wanted one i would buy one, and for a hell of a lot less then the price of a new one. maybe ford is trying to save some money on the design part since they just took a 60's car and put gfx and chopped the roof of it. im just disapointed.

[CelicaChick0406]

i wouldnt own a domestic :D

[2002GT_Celica]

For years, the automotive companies have taken strives forward in the design of their vehicles, and I like the way things are now, and how some of the cars in the upcoming future are looking. But this seems like a step backwards.

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by Griffin
I dunno - I've kind of always like the 60s mustangs and Camaros. I like that style better than the current one.

Griffin :werd:
I really like the rear view sketch. The front view sketch is just nasty, though. Looks like they used current Mustang from the front wheels back, then got confused when doing the front. :puke:

[NSX_GTR_LM]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
:werd:
Looks like they used current Mustang from the front wheels back, then got confused when doing the front. :puke:

kinda like they got confused when they did the back of the celica. Sort of fell asleep on us or something

[2000 XYR]

I hate it.

[jotan82]

i guess i'm bias, but mustangs have always been ugly to me

[SlasherX]

close, but no cigar.

they aren't going THAt retro..

[SovKhan]

if u could point me to some less retro concepts? this is all ive found, other then the like agressive / new edge design they seem to have abandoned a year ago.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by SovKhan
if u could point me to some less retro concepts? this is all ive found, other then the like agressive / new edge design they seem to have abandoned a year ago.

I can't, sorry. All I know and have is what I've been told by a couple people at Ford who have seen the car's model. They've basically all said, that while that picture is a lot closer than the crap motortrend had out in that one issue, its still not too close.

They're really gaurding this car's styling, etc before its release because of how big a deal the 05 is going to be for Ford and the mustang.

[gilboman]

but say what you will about the sytling...they are putting in sweet engines from what i've read..base model will get a
3.0 DOHC V6 from the Duratech family with like 210bhp and the GT model is looking at 300bhp... someone correct me if i'm wrong.

[BlackGTS2002]

I think the Concept pics are great. That would be sweet seeing those around. They do look like the older ones....but lets be honest ...back then....a mustang was somthing to own. Now-a-days...theres not so much hype about em. (not raggin on mustang owners) .

[jonasblack]

I like it.

[red97gsr]

Originally posted by Griffin
I dunno - I've kind of always like the 60s mustangs and Camaros. I like that style better than the current one.

Griffin

Me too.

[anastacia]

I think it loooks good.

[Blue Batmobile]

Ugly imo:thumbdown, but you know production versions will look alot different than concept versions.

Bat

[Miguel GTS]

i think its pimp

[msucelica]

Originally posted by gts24
I don't get the whole retro craze either. I'm getting sick of it as a matter of fact.

the PT cruiser is the ugliest POS I've ever seen. Dont' the people that drive them realize it's just a minivan with a nose on it?

u think that's bad? try the Pontiac Aztec! ;)

[Coolwheels00]

I think that some (most) of you guys are too young to have enjoyed the styling of the 60s and 70s. Not that you might not enjoy them now but it's different if you grew up with them. To me, being 30, I think that the whole retro styling is sweet. I've also seen a concept of a Camaro of what it might look like if and when they bring it back. It looked just like a 69 but futuristic. So I like it. If they brought back the styling of a 57 chevy but today's styling added, I'd be all over it. :) Just my .02

[pensfan83]

Ford should just bring back the '67 fastback and call it a '04 :)

[TRD7MGE]

i think it's beautiful

[TRD7MGE]

well the blue one anyways

[ldpan]

What's up w/ GM and all this retro craps? Do they really think younger buyers would buy them? Just like the new T-bird, the ppl who bought them are mostly in their 40s-50s (no offense, just stating my observation). In my personal opinion, GM is bringing the old styling (the current retro craze) so that the older folks, who couldn't afford them when they were younger, can have a chance to own one now. But let's do a reality check here..... How many of the older folks are actually going to buy them? On the other hand, younger buyers (like most of u here on the board) would most likely be attracted to buying the more stylish and better performance imports.

In any case, I think GM is shooting themselves in the foot. BTW, read this from the June issue of EVO (a respectable UK car mag): "To be honest, American cars are garbage. They are good at quarter miles but they can't corner!"

Pretty sad to know, huh? :(

[LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST]

Domestics are turning into imports with big crappy engines

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST
Domestics are turning into imports with big crappy engines

big crappy engines?

stfu you idiot

[LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST]

CRAPPY

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST
CRAPPY

IDIOT

[LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST]

Ok all ghey jokes aside. You have to admit.. I see more Civics/Preludes/imports on the road without problems than Mustangs and Cameros with the CRAPPY engines lol

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST
Ok all ghey jokes aside. You have to admit.. I see more Civics/Preludes/imports on the road without problems than Mustangs and Cameros with the CRAPPY engines lol

Are you crazy?

please for the love of God, stop talking out of your ass.

Or, if you want to call me a biased domestic owner, go venture and research yourself on over at all teh mustang boards, then compare their amount of engine problems, etc. with those found on this site alone, let alone other ones. my point is that there is not any distinction between the two, cuz anyone who mods their cars, drives the piss out of them, and doesnt maintain it well are going to cause it to fail on them. like i said before, over 200 drag passes on my car, over 4 full seasons of autocross on my car, over 43,000 miles of me maintaining the car, but also beating it up on the weekends, and it has not failed me ONCE. A friend of mine even downshifted his v6 from 3rd to first(i have no idea why/how) and it still ran like achamp.

BUT-- its "crappy" engines...

god damn i hate ignorant ricer talk.

[pensfan83]

Da-ve! Da-ve! Da-ve!

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by pensfan83
Da-ve! Da-ve! Da-ve!

Hehe..

All I gotta say, is the ones who talk about that nonsense are the ones who never torn apart a block, or done anything more serious than add a k&n to their cars..unless of course they hired someone else to do the hard work.

[LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST]

Yeah you know soo much.. and I know soo little LOL

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST
Yeah you know soo much.. and I know soo little LOL

At least you admit it.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by gilboman
but say what you will about the sytling...they are putting in sweet engines from what i've read..base model will get a
3.0 DOHC V6 from the Duratech family with like 210bhp and the GT model is looking at 300bhp... someone correct me if i'm wrong.

next gen mustang wont be using the 3.0..its too small a motor. they'll be using the 210hp 4.0 sohc v6 from the ranger. as for the v8's..4.6 and up..

Ford's dilemma is going to be offering all the improvements a new chasis will offer, but keeping it at the low prices that teh car is famous for. Cheap, Fast, Reliable, Tuner Friendly, Speed.

[FriedRice]

smackdown. :eek:

haha :gap:

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by pensfan83
Ford should just bring back the '67 fastback and call it a '04 :)

leaf springs too!!

lol :)

I'm a bigger fan of the SN95's myself, but thats cuz I wasn't raised in the 60's. I'm sure if I was, I'd be drooling over this concept pic more. Let's be frank here though..every single Mustang redesign has taken awhile for the public to fall in love with. They did it with the 94's, they did it with the 99's(hell somepeople still are), and im sure that wont change in 05.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by ldpan
What's up w/ GM and all this retro craps? Do they really think younger buyers would buy them? Just like the new T-bird, the ppl who bought them are mostly in their 40s-50s (no offense, just stating my observation). In my personal opinion, GM is bringing the old styling (the current retro craze) so that the older folks, who couldn't afford them when they were younger, can have a chance to own one now. But let's do a reality check here..... How many of the older folks are actually going to buy them? On the other hand, younger buyers (like most of u here on the board) would most likely be attracted to buying the more stylish and better performance imports.

In any case, I think GM is shooting themselves in the foot. BTW, read this from the June issue of EVO (a respectable UK car mag): "To be honest, American cars are garbage. They are good at quarter miles but they can't corner!"

Pretty sad to know, huh? :(

,,,the mustang isn't a GM

*shudders*

[Lord Banshee]

reliable? what who said that FORD. hehe

j/k

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Lord Banshee
reliable? what who said that FORD. hehe

j/k

hehe

they're really not as bad as you hear on these sites :)

[yakkosmurf]

Yes, they are. At least my wife's Mystique and my friends' Mustangs have been. No one I know has had good luck with Ford's. Except the one guy that builds his own 5.0 engines for his Mustang drag racer. The car runs mid-10s, but it never has parts in it long enough to be a reliability issue.

[2000 XYR]

Yakko said:
No one I know has had good luck with Ford's. Then you don't know me. :D Hi, I'm Jim.

[CelicaChick0406]

Originally posted by LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST
Domestics are turning into imports with big crappy engines

i agree... all i see around here now is mustangs with altezzas!!! lexus came out with the altezza first... its an IMPORT thing.. not a DOMESTIC thing. they dont use their head =)

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by 2000 XYR
Then you don't know me. :D Hi, I'm Jim.

Nice ride. The only truck I would ever consider. Well, that and the hopefully bound for production SRT-10 :D

[2000 XYR]

pensfan83 said:
that and the hopefully bound for production SRT-10 Well I'd rather have my truck and about $10,000 to $12,000 of mods. That trucks gonna be mid $40k.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Yes, they are. At least my wife's Mystique and my friends' Mustangs have been. No one I know has had good luck with Ford's. Except the one guy that builds his own 5.0 engines for his Mustang drag racer. The car runs mid-10s, but it never has parts in it long enough to be a reliability issue.


Apparently you must know everything about Ford's then because of your wife and a couple friends.

Now you can meet me

My name's Dave. I've been racing my Ford Mustang for the past 2 years. 44,000 miles on it. I have raced in the Clemson Sports Car Club for the entire time, going through 4 semesters of autocrossing, and many many trips to the Atlanta Dragway. I would say well over 100 times, closer to 200 times, maybe even over that I have drag raced my Ford. Now, looking back through my recipets, I can not find any for repairs. Lets see, oil change and filter, oil change and filter, oil change and filter, tires, oil change and filter, etc etc. Now..while your wife's car fell apart(it is a Mystique afterall) or your friends Mustangs fell apart(this i find almost laughable with its convenience to this discussion, and coming from a Type R owner), I have yet to come across any of my friends, whether we're counting ones with Cobra's, GT's, or V6's..have one major problem with the car that was not a result of their abuse of the vehicle. No one's motor, transmission, rear end, door panel, hood, etc. just magically broke or fell off because it was made in a Ford factory. No one's gas tank exploded and set the thing on fire, and no ones electrical system short circuited form static electricity, or any other rediculous quality issue I can possibly think of. We have a 5.0 LX down here..162k miles on teh original block. No internal work, or anything done to it. It still dynoes at teh same levels it should have over 10 years ago in 1988 when it was first made. It still gets over 20 miles to teh gallon, with the kid racing the piss out of it. and we have yet to deal with any quality issues, other than the fact that the car is 14 years old now. 14 years old and itll smoke your Type R on the untouched stock block at 162k. You want to talk reliability? It doesn't even burn oil.

Let's see, make your examples of friends upon friends upon friends all you want, cuz I will have 5 for each one that haven't had jack **** happen to their car unless they were being a dumbass with it.

Now am I in any way implying that some cars Ford makes arent problematic, or have their fair share of recalls? Hell no. Look at the Focus, or Explorer. What I am saying however is take a look at the Mustang, and how many recalls it has had. It has had ONE recall since 1994, for a loose ebrake, that when people would park their 5 speed on a steep hill and put the car into neutral, it would roll back. Now, who do you know that doesnt put the car into first gear on a steep hill to park? And if they don't, they're an idiot.

blah blah blah, I don't really care to change your mind on this issue. I just do care when people mouth off incomplete facts, or half truths about **** they just dont know.

bottom line: stick to your Type R, and I'll stick to my Mustang and we'll be happy. I won't tell you how to coaz another 3bhp out of that motor, much like you wouldnt try to tell me how to make more power or whatnot out of mine.

[SingleCamCivic]

I know im going to get flammed for this, but IMO, I think any mustang pre-fox body was just awful...especially the first gen, and that just looks too much like a first gen with some 20's which looks awful

[iwantaferrari]

my friends car did this and had this go wrong yadda yadda and its a ford
you hear storys like that about EVERY car, you just remeber the ford ones bc you hate us because we're faster
dont hate the player hate the game lol

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by SingleCamCivic
I know im going to get flammed for this, but IMO, I think any mustang pre-fox body was just awful...especially the first gen, and that just looks too much like a first gen with some 20's which looks awful

I'm not gonna flame you for that, dude. I just flame incorrect stereotypes.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by iwantaferrari
my friends car did this and had this go wrong yadda yadda and its a ford
you hear storys like that about EVERY car, you just remeber the ford ones bc you hate us because we're faster
dont hate the player hate the game lol

Let's stop for a minute and just use some common sense. If Ford products were all crap, not reliable, broke constantly, and had CRAPPY engines...does anyone honestly, with half a brain think that they would have been around THIS long? WE're talking about a company thats over a hundred years old. If these cars were really this problematic, I mean we certainly hear all these stories of my friends neighbor..or my wifes cousin, or my $14k wifes car.. can we all just step back a minute and honestly think..There is no way in hell that all these cars are this bad. There is no way in hell that this stereotype could even be rooted in semi-truth, because if 50% of Ford's vehicles were lemons, or troublesome, NO ONE WOULD BUY THEM!

so all I ask, or plead, is for everyone here to be an individual and use whatever is between your God given ears. Stop being a lemming, and stop believing hearsay and outright lies without even stopping ot think first. Congrats, yakko, your wife got a bad car. Guess what? **** happens. It's happened to people on this very board(arbitration anyone?) its happened to people on DSM boards, it's happened to people on hell, Supra boards. What does it prove?

Just think about that. Then think about how..if this was all true..Ford could be the 2n dlargest automaker in the world.


Think.

[Blue Batmobile]

And who said Ford stands for Fix Or Repair Daily...;).

Bat

[Korywithak]

Originally posted by CelicaChick0406
i wouldnt own a domestic :D :werd:

[MarkyMark]

maybe I'm the only one, but I love that new style. I hate the 2000 mustang, now THAT has no design sense.....

[gilboman]

Originally posted by SlasherX


next gen mustang wont be using the 3.0..its too small a motor. they'll be using the 210hp 4.0 sohc v6 from the ranger. as for the v8's..4.6 and up..

Ford's dilemma is going to be offering all the improvements a new chasis will offer, but keeping it at the low prices that teh car is famous for. Cheap, Fast, Reliable, Tuner Friendly, Speed.

How come they will use the SOHC 4.0 V6 when they can use the IMO better Duratech DOHC 3.0 for the same number of bhp or is the torque better?

[xi KiNG ix]

Originally posted by MarkyMark
maybe I'm the only one, but I love that new style. I hate the 2000 mustang, now THAT has no design sense..... :stupid: for once

[dfess1]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Yes, they are. At least my wife's Mystique and my friends' Mustangs have been. No one I know has had good luck with Ford's. Except the one guy that builds his own 5.0 engines for his Mustang drag racer. The car runs mid-10s, but it never has parts in it long enough to be a reliability issue.

That's like saying Celica's, yes the "all mighty import celica" is a piece of crap. I personally know 4 people that have misshifted and blown the engine. Driver error or poor shift gate design, doesn't matter. This is a stupid arguement. Do I think celicas are a piece of crap? No, is there a better design out there? Yes.

Fix Or Repair Daily, that again is a stupid point. If I could remember the one for the Toyota, I'd stick it in here.

To the Moron that thinks GM makes the mustang, well, I don't know. Go buy a Ford Viper or Dodge Corvette, or something.......

Yes, we all know the mustang can't turn as well as the celica OUT OF THE BOX, but since they already have a decent amount of power, they can spend thier money a suspension setup for their first mods. The car can be made to handle.

Anyway, I really like the design. I agree with CoolWheels00, most aren't old enough to appreciate the "retro" designs. As long as they don't over price is like they did the T-Bird, they should be good to go. Anyway, I tried to help SlasherX, I mean the sterotypes seem to get worse with every noob that comes on...

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by gilboman


How come they will use the SOHC 4.0 V6 when they can use the IMO better Duratech DOHC 3.0 for the same number of bhp or is the torque better?

Torque :)

the 3.0 doesnt reach its torque peak til like 4k rpms i believe...the current 3.8 reaches it by 2750, and the 4.0 is right aroudn there as well, with 240 ft lbs.

the 3.0 is agreat engine, just not for a mustang..it woul dhave to be geared like a sombitch to "feel" like the normal mustang motors of old.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by MarkyMark
maybe I'm the only one, but I love that new style. I hate the 2000 mustang, now THAT has no design sense.....

Actually, it incorporates several styling cues from the 60's models..just part of Ford's New Edge design scheme.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by dfess1


That's like saying Celica's, yes the "all mighty import celica" is a piece of crap. I personally know 4 people that have misshifted and blown the engine. Driver error or poor shift gate design, doesn't matter. This is a stupid arguement. Do I think celicas are a piece of crap? No, is there a better design out there? Yes.

Fix Or Repair Daily, that again is a stupid point. If I could remember the one for the Toyota, I'd stick it in here.

To the Moron that thinks GM makes the mustang, well, I don't know. Go buy a Ford Viper or Dodge Corvette, or something.......

Yes, we all know the mustang can't turn as well as the celica OUT OF THE BOX, but since they already have a decent amount of power, they can spend thier money a suspension setup for their first mods. The car can be made to handle.

Anyway, I really like the design. I agree with CoolWheels00, most aren't old enough to appreciate the "retro" designs. As long as they don't over price is like they did the T-Bird, they should be good to go. Anyway, I tried to help SlasherX, I mean the sterotypes seem to get worse with every noob that comes on...

Gracias.

Mustang's can handle out of the box, but they take a level of driver skill that most teenagers simply do not posess.

Remember the SCC article Type R vs. GT? Bout as equal a comparo as you can get these days.

But as my Honda friend tells me. It's easy to make hp out of a mustang, but you need to mod the suspension. with a honda its easy to make it handle, but hard to make hp out of. we then dropped a B16A into his 86 prelude..hehe :)

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by SlasherX

My name's Dave. I've been racing my Ford Mustang for the past 2 years. 44,000 miles on it. I have raced in the Clemson Sports Car Club for the entire time, going through 4 semesters of autocrossing, and many many trips to the Atlanta Dragway. I would say well over 100 times, closer to 200 times, maybe even over that I have drag raced my Ford. Now, looking back through my recipets, I can not find any for repairs. Lets see, oil change and filter, oil change and filter, oil change and filter, tires, oil change and filter, etc etc. Now..while your wife's car fell apart(it is a Mystique afterall) or your friends Mustangs fell apart(this i find almost laughable with its convenience to this discussion, and coming from a Type R owner), I have yet to come across any of my friends, whether we're counting ones with Cobra's, GT's, or V6's..have one major problem with the car that was not a result of their abuse of the vehicle. No one's motor, transmission, rear end, door panel, hood, etc. just magically broke or fell off because it was made in a Ford factory. No one's gas tank exploded and set the thing on fire, and no ones electrical system short circuited form static electricity, or any other rediculous quality issue I can possibly think of. We have a 5.0 LX down here..162k miles on teh original block. No internal work, or anything done to it. It still dynoes at teh same levels it should have over 10 years ago in 1988 when it was first made. It still gets over 20 miles to teh gallon, with the kid racing the piss out of it. and we have yet to deal with any quality issues, other than the fact that the car is 14 years old now. 14 years old and itll smoke your Type R on the untouched stock block at 162k. You want to talk reliability? It doesn't even burn oil.


First of all, all engines burn oil moron. It's part of the way they work. It's normal. Don't tell me it doesn't burn oil. Secondly, when did I talk about the internal failures or the car completely breaking down? I didn't. Those haven't been the problems. Instead, it's been thing like ignition coil failures, alternator failures, starter quitting, factory spark plugs and wires dying before they should, AC compressors needing replacement after 5 years, EGR valve keeps need replacement. Numerous parts have been recalled and at least one has been replaced on my wife's Mystique everytime it's been brought into the dealer except for one. My friend with a Mustang has his axle snap while driving down the freeway. My dad had the same problem with a Bronco II he borrowed for the day since he was looking at buying it.

Why did you get so defensive over my simple statement on my experience? You launch into this long monologue over nothing. I've been very pleased with the performance of my wife's Mystique. The power delivery is smooth and stong. It doesn't burn much oil. It's got 95k miles on it. My complaint is all of the things that go wrong with the engine that I've got to constantly fix or dump money into. Granted, the parts of the Ford are a little cheaper than the parts for my imports. But the frequency of nuisance problems that cost money and time to fix is very annoying. Ford's perform well, but the overall build quality and finish sucks from what I've seen.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by MarkyMark
maybe I'm the only one, but I love that new style. I hate the 2000 mustang, now THAT has no design sense.....
I agree with you there. I thought the 98 model (especially the Cobra) looked really nice. The 99-02 models were a step backwards in the design department. They took something with nice smooth lines and turned into something that came out of Picasso's cubist era.

[byebyebaby]

I like the 2005 mustang. Would consider trading the celica for it :)
Looks nice and with power at my disposal.

[dfess1]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

I agree with you there. I thought the 98 model (especially the Cobra) looked really nice. The 99-02 models were a step backwards in the design department. They took something with nice smooth lines and turned into something that came out of Picasso's cubist era.

I think the harder lines of the current gen looked better than the previous "spaceship" looking gen.

[iwantaferrari]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

First of all, all engines burn oil moron. It's part of the way they work. It's normal. Don't tell me it doesn't burn oil. Secondly, when did I talk about the internal failures or the car completely breaking down? I didn't. Those haven't been the problems. Instead, it's been thing like ignition coil failures, alternator failures, starter quitting, factory spark plugs and wires dying before they should, AC compressors needing replacement after 5 years, EGR valve keeps need replacement. Numerous parts have been recalled and at least one has been replaced on my wife's Mystique everytime it's been brought into the dealer except for one. My friend with a Mustang has his axle snap while driving down the freeway. My dad had the same problem with a Bronco II he borrowed for the day since he was looking at buying it.

Why did you get so defensive over my simple statement on my experience? You launch into this long monologue over nothing. I've been very pleased with the performance of my wife's Mystique. The power delivery is smooth and stong. It doesn't burn much oil. It's got 95k miles on it. My complaint is all of the things that go wrong with the engine that I've got to constantly fix or dump money into. Granted, the parts of the Ford are a little cheaper than the parts for my imports. But the frequency of nuisance problems that cost money and time to fix is very annoying. Ford's perform well, but the overall build quality and finish sucks from what I've seen.

if your so pleased with the cars performance QUIT YOUR BITCHIN!!!! :)

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by iwantaferrari


if your so pleased with the cars performance QUIT YOUR BITCHIN!!!! :)
I read a letter to Automotive Week from a Porsche Boxster S owner. The guy loved every aspect of the performance of the car. After 6 months, however, the dealer had the car for repairs for 4 of those months. That means there's something seriously wrong with your car. That's been the case for many of my Ford owning friends. Even my friend that has a 2001 V6 Mustang has had their car in the shop 4 times already for repairs that took a week or more to correct. What good is performance if your stuck with a POS loaner or rental?

[2000 XYR]

But then you get to race the loaners! And they're free. That keeps the miles off the truck. ;)
Actually I've been pretty good recently, only use the truck 1 day a week to go to work. But I also use it all weekend, so it seems like I'm always driving it, but the mileage is staying way down. (100 mile round trip commute to work :mad: )

[2000REDGT]

http://www.motortrend.com/feb02/gto/1.html Pics of new GTO.i wouldnt own a domestic AMEN!!!

[cbr600drm]

Thats horrible! What is Ford thinking?