More on the 2004 Supra... [Archive]

Blue Batmobile

07-07-2002, 11:06 AM

According to the August issue of Automobile Magazine: The 2004 Supra will be smaller and more driver focused than the previous model. Expect a 350HP 3.5 liter v-6 that will belong to a new family of Toyota V-6 engines. Top versions will employ a variable valve timing and lift device similar to BMW's Valvetronic system. The new Supra could share platforms and parts with the next Lexus IS300 also due in 2004!

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dnet3

07-07-2002, 11:37 AM

is it going to be turbo or n/a

Oo DaRk StAr oO

07-07-2002, 11:42 AM

HOW MUCH????

Blue Batmobile

07-07-2002, 11:43 AM

According to R&T, the target price will be around $30,000.

Bat

po9i

07-07-2002, 11:44 AM

pics?

Blue Batmobile

07-07-2002, 11:59 AM

Neither on of the magazines had any pics.

Bat

pdawg

07-07-2002, 12:03 PM

i knew that it was coming back out, but i didn't know it was going to be all that!!!

hey po9i...i likes that little cartoon jeepny you have...that's hella phat!!!

TheX-Man

07-07-2002, 12:09 PM

I wonder when and what cars toyota will be using the new 3.5 v6 in? A new IS in 2004 that was a very short life here in the US.

FriedRice

07-07-2002, 12:25 PM

i dont see a turbo for such a big engine... iiono.... something about a 350hp V6 screams supercharger....

however the supra we all know was a TT.... maybe for tradition maybe? iono...

one things for sure.. TRD will not hang up on this car...... or they should just change their name to GGRD.... grocery getter racing development...

SlasherX

07-07-2002, 12:28 PM

350hp 3.5 liter with variable valve timing..

sorry guys, all fingers point to that being n/a.

iDRIVE

07-07-2002, 12:39 PM

Yup like what SlasherX said. variable valve timing and "LIFT". That would be a screamer, imagine hitting "LIFT" with 350hp on tap.
Im guessing next generation toyota engine will come with vvtl-i.

ToyoGT

07-07-2002, 12:55 PM

a V6??? lol yeah right, not happening.

07-07-2002, 01:03 PM

I'm buying one.

Blue Lucifer

07-07-2002, 01:16 PM

How do you make a Supra smaller? That defeats the entire purpose. I can't imagine the new supra being the size of a celica..... :( . I guess we'll have to wait for some pics.

bug killa

07-07-2002, 01:23 PM

3.5 L and 350 hp for around 30k? Doesn't sound like an n/a engine to me... those numbers are pretty staggering, 100hp/L n/a gets exponentially more difficult to output the bigger the engine gets...

Tony01Gts

07-07-2002, 03:01 PM

Isn't the NSX a V6 producing nearly 100 hp per liter? Correct me if I'm wrong cause I probably am now that I think about it.

SlasherX

07-07-2002, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by bug killa
3.5 L and 350 hp for around 30k? Doesn't sound like an n/a engine to me... those numbers are pretty staggering, 100hp/L n/a gets exponentially more difficult to output the bigger the engine gets...

I agree with you, but th Supra was never a cheap car. the cost of engineering such a block could easily be offset..

hollywood

07-07-2002, 03:22 PM

ill get one as long as they dont mass produce the hell out of it. they should put a cap on production numbers and up the price alittle. But for 30, ill get one.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blue Batmobile
[B]According to R&T, the target price will be around $30,000.

Bat

suprafreak

07-07-2002, 03:46 PM

i hope it takes some attention away from the MKIV (93.5-98) Supra market so i can finally afford one :gap:

also, that price seems a little low. MKIV supras retailed at around 45k for a 3.0 liter 320hp 6 cyl engine

hollywood, its unlikely the supra will be mass produced. im sure they will try to keep it exclusive to prevent kids from killing themselves.

Fiero

07-07-2002, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by hollywood
ill get one as long as they dont mass produce the hell out of it. they should put a cap on production numbers and up the price alittle. But for 30, ill get one.

At 30k you bet they are going to mass produce it. Toyota doesn't like taking a loss on a premier car.

I don't think it will be NA. 350hp from 3.5L with VVTL-i sounds iffy at best. Probably turbo charged. Imagine boost and Lift. :p

jotan82

07-07-2002, 03:58 PM

hmm, i'd be interested in some pix

2000 XYR

07-07-2002, 04:38 PM

suprafreak said:
i hope it takes some attention away from the MKIV (93.5-98) Supra market so i can finally afford one Ditto that.

Blue Batmobile

07-07-2002, 05:03 PM

Hmm...I wonder how all this is going to affect the next Celica. Remember what they did to the last Celica when the new Supra came out:(.

Bat

2000 XYR

07-07-2002, 05:27 PM

It became an obsolete, slow, ugly, piece of crap. ;) No offense to the 6g people. I couldn't stand them.

BRAK

07-07-2002, 05:46 PM

350 posibly turbo V-6 VVTL-I with a smaller body = GLUED TO YOUR SEAT , BLURRING FAST DOMESTIC KILLER.

I do wish they would do a inline 6 , but is it worked sooo well for the Nsx, and working well with the new 350Z , sheet .... why not:thumbup:

steckelberg

07-07-2002, 06:41 PM

Samller = Better. Look at the new 350Z (I do really like it). But if they could have built it 150-200lbs lighter it would have been AMAZING. Think of what the handling would be with all that power. If the supra comes in at or under 3000lbs look out...Could the engine be NA if they had sky high revs like our celica? Is it possible (price wise) to make a 3.5 liter 8000+ RPM engine? And maybe there will be 2 engine options, @ $30,000 it might be a lower putput engine?

MuleDoe

07-07-2002, 07:39 PM

i ahve some pics of the '04 supra ..

steckelberg

07-07-2002, 07:42 PM

Lets see them. Can you post them?

2000REDGT

07-07-2002, 08:09 PM

The 350z has a 3.5L V6 producing 280hp. So if a supra with a 3.5L V6 producing 350hp, I would say some kind of forced induction is involved. But that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

billybrun

07-07-2002, 08:41 PM

This is from Top Secret mag...

''quote:
Best Car further reports that Toyota is ready to release a new sports car, the Supra, next summer. The Japanese automaker said it will equip the new vehicle with a 3.5-liter V6 engine that produces 350hp instead of the 2.5-liter V6 engine with a turbocharger that was originally planned for the car. The high-end version will come with an enhanced V8 engine. Toyota will release its flagship, mid-ship engine sports vehicle in 2004. The 4WD sports car is expected to employ a 5-liter V10 engine that produces over 400hp.

http://www.my350z.com/japan/may29/rx7supra.jpg

Blue Batmobile

07-07-2002, 08:53 PM

Nice:thumbup:!

Bat

TheX-Man

07-07-2002, 09:03 PM

that's hideous

Griffin

07-07-2002, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by billybrun
This is from Top Secret mag...

''quote:
Best Car further reports that Toyota is ready to release a new sports car, the Supra, next summer. The Japanese automaker said it will equip the new vehicle with a 3.5-liter V6 engine that produces 350hp instead of the 2.5-liter V6 engine with a turbocharger that was originally planned for the car. The high-end version will come with an enhanced V8 engine. Toyota will release its flagship, mid-ship engine sports vehicle in 2004. The 4WD sports car is expected to employ a 5-liter V10 engine that produces over 400hp.

Good lord... enhanced V8 and the V6 is putting out 350 horse... I think I've done died and gone to heaven.

BTW - SlasherX is right - thats gonna be NA. thats the exact same HP/Liter as the 2ZZ-GE. With JUST intake VVTi on a 4.0 in the old GS400 Toyota made like 300 / 310 HP... 350 with VVTLi on a 3.5 sounds about right.

It may be ugly but with that kind of power and weight I'll buy one and wait for a nice veilside kit :)

Griffin

My2ktoy

07-07-2002, 09:28 PM

more pictures of possible Mkv supras <a href=http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30671>here</a>

The Game

07-07-2002, 09:36 PM

If its not turbocharged/supercharged I cant see myself buying it, instead I'll opt for the previous gen.

atehrani

07-07-2002, 11:02 PM

Forget the Supra, RX-7 baby!!!!

chameleon

07-08-2002, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by ToyoGT
a V6??? lol yeah right, not happening.

Hey ToyoGT, what do you mean by that? The old Supra's were powered by V6 engines, no reason to assume that they would be powered by any thing smaller than a V6, the Supra is supposed to be the fastest car in Toyota's line up.

Can anyone help me out with a question of mine? I always thought that Japan limited the amount of HP that their production cars make to 270 something HP, but now it is sounding like they are going to have over 300 HP in the new supra. Is that regulation no longer in effect or something? Or was the regulation something that I made up without realizing it, lol!

HilfigerCelica

07-08-2002, 12:29 AM

Toaster

07-08-2002, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by atehrani
Forget the Supra, RX-7 baby!!!! I'm sure you mean the RX-8, right??

MuleDoe

07-08-2002, 01:46 AM

the picture i got looks nothing like those, they look fake, mine looks real .. and its yellow. I will try to get them posted.

analogvoid

07-08-2002, 05:09 AM

Has Toyota Confirmed production of a new gen. supra in the US, or is this all conceptual and speculation based on rumors? Was there a press release ?

Korywithak

07-08-2002, 05:20 AM

http://www.my350z.com/japan/may29/rx7supra.jpg

I think this looks pretty hot... anyone else?

steckelberg

07-08-2002, 05:34 AM

That concept reminds me of a Aston Martin Vanguish. I like it. Maybe change the front end with a body kit. As far as official press realease- I bet Toyota is just leaking info to take some thunder away from the 350Z (and the RX8 comes soon too I think) I can't wait till we get some hard specs and pics from toyota. If they make it on the lighter side I might consider trading my GTS in...OT but now that I've owned the celica I'm painfully aware of how heavy a car is when driving. Light cars = fun cars.

MarkyMark

07-08-2002, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by atehrani
Forget the Supra, RX-7 baby!!!!

f*ck that, for $30k you'd be insane not to get the supra over the RX8...look at those specs...

m0rgue

07-08-2002, 07:45 AM

I think it looks really hot. If I had that kinda $, I'd opt for one in a second.

ToyoGT

07-08-2002, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by chameleon

Hey ToyoGT, what do you mean by that? The old Supra's were powered by V6 engines, no reason to assume that they would be powered by any thing smaller than a V6, the Supra is supposed to be the fastest car in Toyota's line up.

Can anyone help me out with a question of mine? I always thought that Japan limited the amount of HP that their production cars make to 270 something HP, but now it is sounding like they are going to have over 300 HP in the new supra. Is that regulation no longer in effect or something? Or was the regulation something that I made up without realizing it, lol!

It has an inline 6, not V6. This whole topic has been discussed a million and ONE times over at Supraforums.com and that picture from the mag has been floating around for awhile now. I don't know, I've heard about it for awhile now. Guys at Supraforums don't think it will be a V6, I mean what's the point of that? check their forums out, you'll see what i'm talking about.

Razz

07-08-2002, 09:32 AM

I don't care if it looks like a '74 Pinto; If the performance for the buck is there, I'll get it.

ToyoGT

07-08-2002, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by atehrani
Forget the Supra, RX-7 baby!!!!

Wait til you have to replace those apex seals baby!!!!! :D My little brother is looking for a FD right now. very nice cars. give the choice i'd choose the Supra, but you can't go wrong with either one.

Razz

07-08-2002, 09:35 AM

It does seem that VVTLi would be technically easier to accomplish on an I-6 than a V-6.

dfess1

07-08-2002, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Fiero

At 30k you bet they are going to mass produce it. Toyota doesn't like taking a loss on a premier car.

I don't think it will be NA. 350hp from 3.5L with VVTL-i sounds iffy at best. Probably turbo charged. Imagine boost and Lift. :p

It'll be mass produced, and at a cheaper price than the last iterations to see this shore. That's why they all pulled out in the first place, the RX-7, Supra, 300Z got to be too much money, or more than anyone would want to pay over here. Not to mention the SUV market hit big time at that point as well. Now that that niche market is coming back, they are coming back with better alternatives.

And 350hp from a 3.5L N/A is def possible. The new M3 is 320 hp out of a straight 3.2L six.

Blue Lucifer

07-08-2002, 11:05 AM

The new M3 is 320 hp out of a straight 3.2L six.

Actually, it is 343 and the inline 6 has 6 throttle bodies.

Meeocky

07-08-2002, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Korywithak
http://www.my350z.com/japan/may29/rx7supra.jpg

I think this looks pretty hot... anyone else? I like it too. The front end looks a lil funny, but the rest looks good.

bug killa

07-08-2002, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by dfess1
And 350hp from a 3.5L N/A is def possible. The new M3 is 320 hp out of a straight 3.2L six.

350 hp from a 3.5L n/a IS possible, but not in a $30k car.... how much is the M3? 50k? You can't compare a mass produced engine to the M3's hand built engine...

Of course I don't have any hard evidence, but it just doesn't seem likely and I think u guys shouldn't get too excited about those prelimanry specs...

dfess1

07-08-2002, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Blue Lucifer

Actually, it is 343 and the inline 6 has 6 throttle bodies.

Regardless, it's still N/A, out of a smaller block. So it is possible.

chameleon

07-08-2002, 12:12 PM

How about the 180 hp 1.8 liter engine that is in the Celica GTS? Toyota has gotten 10hp from every 1/10 of a liter of displacement on their production cars before.

I always thought that Japan voluntarily limited the output of their engines to 270 something HP. If that's true, there is no chance of seeing a production supra with any more HP than that.

Da Kine Guy

07-08-2002, 12:31 PM

hmmmmm, no turbo = not as much potential. One of the main reasons the mkIV is so popular now is that for an extra grand you are making over 400HP to the wheels. The car is exTREMEly well receptive of mods. N/A cars just don't respond to mods the way turbo'd cars do. Oh well, like the guy said above, maybe this will bring the mkIV down from their rediculously overpriced F&F stature. I mean please, $19k for a '93? Come on!!

dfess1

07-08-2002, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by bug killa

350 hp from a 3.5L n/a IS possible, but not in a $30k car.... how much is the M3? 50k? You can't compare a mass produced engine to the M3's hand built engine...

Of course I don't have any hard evidence, but it just doesn't seem likely and I think u guys shouldn't get too excited about those prelimanry specs...

You're comparing apples and oranges there though. Based on reputation, that's why the bimmer gets 50k. I don't bmw numbers at all, but i gotta figure that by now these are no longer handbuilt engines. Not with the amount of M's I see running around in jersey alone. And it shouldn't be unatainable to get that much performance out of a mass produced engine.

Ntence99

07-08-2002, 02:47 PM

I hope its tc though...But the way its sounding..another high compression car..I still want it!!!

Bobbeh

07-08-2002, 03:16 PM

That MKV concept Supra is hideous. I liked the yellow one 4500GT or sommat. But if they release it looking like that Id be happy to own the MKIV over it.

Karim

07-08-2002, 03:28 PM

if it comes down to this and the RX-8 i'll be jumping on the rotary bandwagon. But fo course i won't know for sure without test driving both.

Karim

Blue Batmobile

07-08-2002, 03:32 PM

They're gonna save alot of money manufacturing these things by putting ALOT of cheap plastic in the interior, like the Celica:thumbdown

Bat

Da Kine Guy

07-08-2002, 04:47 PM

BTW, the RX-8 is a four door for those that didn't know :)

The Game

07-08-2002, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
Oh well, like the guy said above, maybe this will bring the mkIV down from their rediculously overpriced F&F stature. I mean please, $19k for a '93? Come on!! I saw a 96 for 28K with 17000 miles on it.

chrisle7220

07-08-2002, 08:46 PM

30k??? i would think it would be close to 40k at least. o well i guess im wrong then.

07-08-2002, 10:01 PM

$30k is very possible. Look at the Z. The last gen was sitting pretty at $40k, and now look. I think it's smart. They are crazy if they even try to sell a $40k sports car like the mkiv supra in today's market. The majority of the customers that can afford those cars are not into fast asain imports. Not saying all, but most. That's why the original RX-7, Z, and Supra died out. If they keep the designs remotely simular to the edgy Celica like styling in that Grey rendering, I will buy one if they keep the price around $30k.

That's so money.

Blue Batmobile

07-08-2002, 10:51 PM

Can't wait to see yer bodykit for that one;).

Bat

Lucky Sam

07-08-2002, 11:27 PM

yeah the front on the supra concept is ugly....maybe the celica's front bumper and headlights would make a good chop...

gts24

07-09-2002, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by GTSnut
$30k is very possible. Look at the Z. The last gen was sitting pretty at $40k, and now look. I think it's smart. They are crazy if they even try to sell a $40k sports car like the mkiv supra in today's market. The majority of the customers that can afford those cars are not into fast asain imports. Not saying all, but most. That's why the original RX-7, Z, and Supra died out. If they keep the designs remotely simular to the edgy Celica like styling in that Grey rendering, I will buy one if they keep the price around $30k.

That's so money.

I also think alot of the reason behind those cars dieing is simply because the U.S. went on an all out SUV craze, which it still hasn't stepped down from.
Just look at Toyota's lineup........ and the terrible amount of SUV's they sell across the Toyota/Lexus names...

xi KiNG ix

07-09-2002, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by GTSnut
I'm buying one. :werd: who wouldn't for that price

MarkyMark

07-09-2002, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
hmmmmm, no turbo = not as much potential. One of the main reasons the mkIV is so popular now is that for an extra grand you are making over 400HP to the wheels. The car is exTREMEly well receptive of mods. N/A cars just don't respond to mods the way turbo'd cars do. Oh well, like the guy said above, maybe this will bring the mkIV down from their rediculously overpriced F&F stature. I mean please, $19k for a '93? Come on!!

$19k for a 1993 supra is cheap....around here I've seen them go as high as $23....and dont even ask about the `98's....

chameleon

07-09-2002, 08:08 AM

I'll take a 350hp NA car over a 350hp turbo car any day. Who the hell cares if it will be more difficult to modify a NA engine instead of just turing of the boost of a turbocharger? NA is much more predictable and responsive than any turbo car, it is by far the superior to turbo's IMHO, provided that you get the power that you demand. Personally, 350 is plenty for me.

2000 XYR

07-09-2002, 09:07 AM

Not me. ;)

And I'd rather have a 350HP FI car over a 350HP NA car.

analogvoid

07-09-2002, 12:14 PM

I think everyone is getting a bit to excited prematurely about this car. I work for JM Family Enterprises, the parent company of Southeast Toyota and I wanted to find out if toyota was planning on bringing back the supra cus it would be awesome. However I was talking to a few people up at the main building and they sounded pretty sure that it wouldnt be a financialy sound decisison for toyota to release a powerful sports car. Like gts24 said above the SUV market killed the sportscar market. So i'll ask around some more up there but the Execs. seem pretty sure.

MarkyMark

07-09-2002, 12:32 PM

actually it would be crucial for them to do it....look at Mitsubishi and Mazda....their competitors....if they didnt compete with the new sports cars coming out, they'd be really stupid.

analogvoid

07-09-2002, 01:30 PM

I'm not sure it would be cost effective for toyota to prep thier plants for one car, jsut to compete with a small market. 2 years ago I heard about the matrix from SET, now if thier was a supra coming in 2003 or 2004 they would probably be buzzing about it. Rememebr toyota makes it's money from cars like camry, corolla and it's suv line. If they are releasing a supra like car it mightr be in japan, and possibly come over to the US. Like the skyline for example. But I would venture to say thats more than a couple years down the line.

FriedRice

07-09-2002, 01:35 PM

what do the words MK stand for? know what it means....

hm.... 30k range.. what would that do to the IS300? just wondering..... same price range, RWD, i mean come on... would u wanna drive a supra or an altezza?

with the g35 coupe coming, i think toyota needs to up the power in some way... supra would do it.. so would that Is430 concept...

hell, those 2 would take out the g35 coupe AND the m3......

Da Kine Guy

07-09-2002, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by chameleon
I'll take a 350hp NA car over a 350hp turbo car any day. Who the hell cares if it will be more difficult to modify a NA engine instead of just turing of the boost of a turbocharger? NA is much more predictable and responsive than any turbo car, it is by far the superior to turbo's IMHO, provided that you get the power that you demand. Personally, 350 is plenty for me.

:rofl: :chuckles: :rofl:

alizonmi4u

07-09-2002, 02:58 PM

supra i wish i ahd the money

analogvoid

07-09-2002, 03:30 PM

MK stands for mark i beleive.. like different levels..
Mark I - IV are different generations.

chameleon

07-09-2002, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy

:rofl: :chuckles: :rofl:

Don't laugh too hard Da Kine Guy, I'm not the only person who feels that the super responsive power delivery of a naturally aspirated engine is superior to a turbocharged engine. Lamborghini, Mclaren, BMW, TVR, and Ferrari all seem to agree with me 100% ;)

ringthree

07-09-2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by chameleon
Can anyone help me out with a question of mine? I always thought that Japan limited the amount of HP that their production cars make to 270 something HP, but now it is sounding like they are going to have over 300 HP in the new supra. Is that regulation no longer in effect or something? Or was the regulation something that I made up without realizing it, lol!

It was just a gentlemans agreement between the companies. I believe Honda was the first to break that with the announcement of the new generation of NSX making over 300 hp.

ringthree

07-09-2002, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Toaster
I'm sure you mean the RX-8, right??

Two different models of cars. The RX-7 is considered independent of the RX-8. Kinda of like the MX-6 and MX-3.

ringthree

07-09-2002, 07:27 PM

dawgg

07-09-2002, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by analogvoid
I'm not sure it would be cost effective for toyota to prep thier plants for one car, jsut to compete with a small market. 2 years ago I heard about the matrix from SET, now if thier was a supra coming in 2003 or 2004 they would probably be buzzing about it. Rememebr toyota makes it's money from cars like camry, corolla and it's suv line. If they are releasing a supra like car it mightr be in japan, and possibly come over to the US. Like the skyline for example. But I would venture to say thats more than a couple years down the line.

It makes complete sense for Toyota to release a real sports car, even if they won't sell many of them, in order to improve their brand image. Dodge doesn't sell many Vipers and yet they are releasing a more powerful more expensive model soon. It's to create a sporty image for the company which people will associate with the rest of their car line. Toyota hasn't sold a real sports car (not including the MRS because people don't compare that car with the Supra, rx7, C5, etc in overall performance) since 98 when they discontinued the Supra TT. Now that all the other japanese companies are releasing new sports cars i think toyota will have to step up and do the same or else risk hurting their image. The whole sporty image is definitely helping Nissan sales so i don't think this is a moot point.

pensfan83

07-09-2002, 08:03 PM

Exactly. Toyota isn't completely happy with the image it has. It sees that the average age of its owners is high, so what does it do? Develops this Scion idea through which it can step out on a limb and focus on vehicles that appeal to the youth market. If it succeeds, hey, more money and more prospective owners for Toyotas when they get older. If it doesn't, well, maybe people won't think Toyota when they think Scion.

Combine that with what dawgg said.

analogvoid

07-09-2002, 09:37 PM

I understand what you guys are driving at, and I think toyota did hurt it's "youth" image whe nit got rid of the supra. The bottom line is -who makes more money- . And if im right toyota is the number one selling car in the US if not import car. There making quite a bit of money as it is. For them to prep thier plants for a whole new platform would cost ALOT of money. I just don't see it happening to soon.. maybe 4 to 5 years down the line if the market really swings. But who knows maybe toyota will suprise everyone and release a beast next year or 2004. Only time will tell.

FriedRice

07-09-2002, 09:38 PM

good point guys... toyota is working hard to get the younger buyers... isthistoyota.com was a site for these people.. dunno the exact number...... and i think they should capitalize on the supra's popularity (some of it from fast and furious, sadly) and that's probably what they would do.

"o man i love that supra! can i get a new one?"
"uh.. toyota discontinued it"

WONDERFUL isnt it?

o yea.. that thing about superchargers... i was just talking out of my @$$... do that from time to time... :gap:

ToyoGT

07-10-2002, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
hmmmmm, no turbo = not as much potential. One of the main reasons the mkIV is so popular now is that for an extra grand you are making over 400HP to the wheels. The car is exTREMEly well receptive of mods. N/A cars just don't respond to mods the way turbo'd cars do. Oh well, like the guy said above, maybe this will bring the mkIV down from their rediculously overpriced F&F stature. I mean please, $19k for a '93? Come on!!

Only 19k for a '93? Something must be wrong with it. MKIV's easily go for over 20k.

iwantaferrari

07-10-2002, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by BRAK
350 posibly turbo V-6 VVTL-I with a smaller body = GLUED TO YOUR SEAT , BLURRING FAST DOMESTIC KILLER.

I do wish they would do a inline 6 , but is it worked sooo well for the Nsx, and working well with the new 350Z , sheet .... why not:thumbup:

im soooooo scared. are you forgetting the 390hp cobra? c'mon and be realistic. it'll be fast no doubt but i dont think it will just destroy mustang/f-bodies everywhere

bug killa

07-10-2002, 01:46 PM

who cares about a "youth" image if the only people that can afford the damn cars are older people???

Ntence99

07-10-2002, 02:27 PM

toyota needs the car back period..I need that car PERIOD!!!

analogvoid

07-10-2002, 03:16 PM

Ha mustang cobra owns everything..lol

Nightrider

07-10-2002, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Blue Lucifer

Actually, it is 343 and the inline 6 has 6 throttle bodies. It has 333HP

2000 XYR

07-10-2002, 06:48 PM

Nightrider: I saw that way back there too, but figured by now everyone would be saying "what?". ;)

2000REDGT

07-10-2002, 10:00 PM

I always thought that Japan voluntarily limited the output of their engines to 270 something HP. If that's true, there is no chance of seeing a production supra with any more HP than that. I thought the Jap spec supra had like 280hp stock. Am I wrong?

Zorn

07-10-2002, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by analogvoid
Has Toyota Confirmed production of a new gen. supra in the US, or is this all conceptual and speculation based on rumors? Was there a press release ?

According to Curt Aigner there will be NO new Supra imported to the US.

TRD-CELICA-GT02

07-11-2002, 01:23 AM

We've been hearin rumors for since they discontinued the MKIV Supra back in 98. In the new issue of Road and Track, they had sources about a new Supra in 2004.

It definately makes sense if you add up all the facts. Every import car company has a hyped up sports car in their lineup. Eg. Infinity with their upcoming G35 Coupe; and Mazda's upcoming RXZ-8 sedan and RX-7 coupe. Toyota is being smart and building such a powerful car in order to compete. We all know, who ever has the cash will buy it. Also note the $30K price tag is VERY POSSIBLE. The reason being is due to the previous market failures of the previous generation Supra. Based on sales Toyota was forced to discontiue the car period. In being smart the next time around they put a lower price tag to attract more sales as well as to compete with other sports cars of the same price range -(Nissan 350z, Mazda RX-7)

All we can do now is be patient to see if Toyota continues with their release plans. I surely hope they change the front part of the new supra cuz that isssh is plain hideous.

Blue Batmobile

07-11-2002, 05:48 AM

What don't you like about the front?

Bat

Peab0dy

07-11-2002, 05:59 AM

looks like a catfish

analogvoid

07-11-2002, 06:49 AM

HAHAH it does resemble a catfish... no sir i dont like it (the front).

dawgg

07-11-2002, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by 2000REDGT
I thought the Jap spec supra had like 280hp stock. Am I wrong?

That is true. I had smaller turbos than the US version. One of the rare cases where the US car was actually better.

Also, to add to the discussion... over the past 5-10 years there hasn't been to much interest in sports cars. People were more interested in bigger and more luxurious cars. That's y the suv did so well. Recently there has defintely been a turn towards sporty compact cars. So this would explain y toyota has done so well with their not so sporty and not so youthful image in the past, but will not continue to do as well with this image in the future.

Blue Batmobile

07-11-2002, 02:50 PM

You see people with other cars mocking Supra taillights. I know of an Integra in my neighborhood with those:thumbdown.

Bat

TRD-CELICA-GT02

07-11-2002, 11:50 PM

If the Supra in that picture does get released here in the states, I hope there's a nice body kit front piece to make the headlights a bit more decent. LOL it does look like a catfish.....look at those weird headlights and it got like a catfish like mouth...

Zsolt67

07-13-2002, 06:01 AM

Reminds me a little of the Aston Martin Vantage

http://www.my350z.com/japan/may29/rx7supra.jpg

http://www.evo8usa.com/Limerock047.JPG

StickItInSixth

07-13-2002, 07:34 AM

FriedRice

07-13-2002, 11:17 AM

looks like a old old muscle car... like the old old mustangs... dunno how old exactly haha...

it looks really really mean tho.. imagine coming up at a stoplight waiting next to one of these bad boys.

what's with the nipples on the hood?

someone photoshop celica lights on that thing.. that would be soo kick ass.....supra stemmed off the celica... would be like going back to the roots.... would be the last toyota could do, jacking up the 2002 celi like that haha.:gap:

gts24

07-13-2002, 11:44 AM

Quite frankly Toyota will never go that route with the Supra.

Think about it. Look at how all Lexus' , Camry etc are going to the "celica like" lights.

The supra will NOT look like that. You know how many design documents/pics "slipped" out for the Celica before the actual 7th gen slipped out? Remember that ugly design that had the oval lights like the WRX in the front?

Take these pics with a grain of salt. It's not gunna look like that. Toyota is trying to do the same thing across all of their platforms.

ToyoGT

07-13-2002, 09:21 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blue Batmobile
[B]You see people with other cars mocking Supra taillights. I know of an Integra in my neighborhood with those:thumbdown.

Bat

Maelfyn

07-14-2002, 01:25 AM

I hope it doesn't look like that silver version. I don't think Toyota is that stupid. Looks awful.

Blue Batmobile

07-14-2002, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by ToyoGT

LOL Man it's funny seeing that, I don't know. I feel bad for them then I don't. I mean you see most of those guys taking stuff from Toyota's and adding them on their cars. Just look at the supra wing and the altezza (IS300) lights.... :nono: Oh well.

Just like us taking Honda's s2000 Antenna, right?...:chuckles:

Bat

xi KiNG ix

07-14-2002, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Zsolt67
Reminds me a little of the Aston Martin Vantage

http://www.my350z.com/japan/may29/rx7supra.jpg

http://www.evo8usa.com/Limerock047.JPG Thats a vanquish isn't?

Ackbar

07-14-2002, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by dawgg

That is true. I had smaller turbos than the US version. One of the rare cases where the US car was actually better.

That's not entirely true. The JDM version got ceramic turbos which spooled faster and produced less max boost. But in the end, they produced the same amount of whp. The 280bhp was just the stated horsepower due to the Japanese "Gentleman's Agreement" to not exceed 280hp. They've been dynoed before on the same dyno one after the other producing the same hp. In fact, the JDM version eventually got VVT-i (without lift) 2JZ-GTE's which the US never got. Hence due to better spooling characteristics and VVTi the JDM Supra TTs got more torque. In some respects the US was more modable, but stock for stock they're equal. For example, JDM had injectors there were not as good and the turbos were not as high boosting when you started to do BPU mods.

peleus21

07-14-2002, 05:56 PM

ya it is a vanquish musta messed up model names

VTEC-SHMEE-TEC

07-15-2002, 08:36 AM

im 99% sure its a db7 vantage..not a vanquish

oopy

07-15-2002, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Ackbar

That's not entirely true. The JDM version got ceramic turbos which spooled faster and produced less max boost. But in the end, they produced the same amount of whp. The 280bhp was just the stated horsepower due to the Japanese "Gentleman's Agreement" to not exceed 280hp. They've been dynoed before on the same dyno one after the other producing the same hp. In fact, the JDM version eventually got VVT-i (without lift) 2JZ-GTE's which the US never got. Hence due to better spooling characteristics and VVTi the JDM Supra TTs got more torque. In some respects the US was more modable, but stock for stock they're equal. For example, JDM had injectors there were not as good and the turbos were not as high boosting when you started to do BPU mods.

the JDM Supra TT with VVTI was dynoed as a grey import by one of the UK mags producing well over the stated 280bhp if i recall correctly it was around 240+kw which is around 320+bhp

pensfan83

07-20-2002, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by VTEC-SHMEE-TEC
im 99% sure its a db7 vantage..not a vanquish

I agree.

gwen stefani

07-21-2002, 11:52 AM

I'm surprised at you guys! Don't you see the heritage in the design of the front of that MKV photo?

http://wwnet.fi/users/tuomisto/2000GT1.jpg

Toyota's first sports car, the 2000 GT

http://wwnet.fi/users/tuomisto/Maskattu%202000GT.GIF

http://www.swcp.com/~zsprings/toyo2000.gif

Bobbeh

07-21-2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by VTEC-SHMEE-TEC
im 99% sure its a db7 vantage..not a vanquish

Yeah, thats a DB7 alright. See a few of them around here. The Vantage has got a squarer front end. The Vanquish is very rare, not many built yet and costs double that of a DB7. Its gonna be in the new James Bond film.. look out for that ;)

scapamouche

07-21-2002, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Razz
It does seem that VVTLi would be technically easier to accomplish on an I-6 than a V-6.
I don't see why.

In either case, you have a nasty complex valvetrain setup. It might actually work better with the V6 since the camshafts are shorter, and would most likely have lower stress levels. AS for the control function, it's just a matter of designing the oil supply system correctly so the banks shift together.