2008 Subaru Impreza WRX

[Motor]

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/13/spied-2008-subaru-wrx-hatchback)
Spy photographer Chris Doane for Brenda Priddy & Company caught a disguised 2008 Subaru WRX in testing this week in California. Previously, there have been several sightings of possible WRX test mules (in Legacy bodies). These pictures show an actual WRX prototype. The car is expected to take some inspiration from the Subaru B5 concept, though evidently not as much as one might expect. As for power, insiders are anticipating a big update to the 2.5-liter H4 turbo, with an output of around 330-horsepower. Priddy says the Impreza name could change for the 2008 model year.

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[Carbonized_GT]

what would it compete with?

are they trying to enter the sport compact war?(Si, GTI, Redline, Cobalt...etc.)

if its cheaper than the current wrx, hells yes.

[neological]

what would it compete with?

are they trying to enter the sport compact war?(Si, GTI, Redline, Cobalt...etc.)


well, what it competes with now.

They pretty much entered the sport compact war already when they decided to bring over the WRX in the first place. A WRX already whomps all of those cars and is almost as cheap (cheaper than the GTI).

[mukalicious]

maybe its cause im at work, but i cant see chit.

[SOAPY]

Nice! tho my opinion is biased :chuckles: hopefully its cheaper than the current competition. :thumbup:

[styphon]

Wish they'd improve the looks a little..Then again they have 2 more years to fix it up.

[mukalicious]

i dont really care for hatchbacks, but i dig!

[Zenith]

i dont really care for hatchbacks, but i dig!

:werd:

[Carbonized_GT]

would be better if it was lighter and a 3 door.

[Motor]

Wish they'd improve the looks a little..Then again they have 2 more years to fix it up.


Those two pics are a test-mule, with heavy camo.

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

what would it compete with?

are they trying to enter the sport compact war?(Si, GTI, Redline, Cobalt...etc.)


well, what it competes with now.

They pretty much entered the sport compact war already when they decided to bring over the WRX in the first place. A WRX already whomps all of those cars and is almost as cheap (cheaper than the GTI).

Redline & Cobalt should be right around the same in speed barring the occasional AWD 13.9-14.0 1/4 for the WRX.

[neological]

At least it doesn't appear to have the 06-07 Vaginamouth. It's a Subaru though, they'll think of some inventive way to make it look like crap.

[marc]

At least it doesn't appear to have the 06-07 Vaginamouth. It's a Subaru though, they'll think of some inventive way to make it look like crap.

thank god it doesn't have that face. I hate it.

but yeah, subarus are ugly ****in cars. always have been.

[Gas-n-Grease]

SWEET! So far the rumors still hold some truth. I remember reading about it a couple years ago. I was excited cuz it'd compete with the Peugot 206s (before they started using the 307s) and Ford Focus rally cars. It seems like the hatchback design typically do better than the coupes/saloons.
would be better if it was lighter and a 3 door.
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[Carbonized_GT]

:thumbup:

[Motor]

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[Burrcold]

Well it really couldn't get any uglier so...

[Blue Bomber]

Better than the current ones, but already dated looking...

[GSBoek]

It's ok, just ok. I have a feeling they are going mellow with the styling.

[lVlemphizStylez]

am I only one think it looks like one of those crossover SUV things?? I Liked the 05's a lot...I thought they looked good..I preferred them to the Evo

[Gas-n-Grease]

i wouldn't mind the face if they lost 2 extra doors.

[Red Falcon]

Well it really couldn't get any uglier so...
That's what I thought too...until now.

[larryd]

I like it, but we own an 06 WRX so whats that tell ya ;)

[homeworld1031tx]

am I only one think it looks like one of those crossover SUV things?? I Liked the 05's a lot...I thought they looked good..I preferred them to the Evo

my thoughts exactly - mix between a hatch and CUV. and i also like the 05s and 06s i dont think they are that bad, although everytime i see the front of them i laugh cause of that flying vagina joke lol

[Ch33z]

wtf looks like its a small suv or a crossover..kinda like the mazda cx7 of some sort...fugly thats what i think

[SWPLGT05]

I like it too but i own an 05 so i guess i would be rather biased.

[Zero]

It looks so cheaply designed, like a Ford.

At least the hoodscoop is more subtle.

[batmobile_15]

04 is my fav year....that ish ugly!!

[esper]

the rear end of my 06 wagon looks good, I try to make sure that's all the other cars see.

The alfa front grew on me, but I like the red since it makes it look more alfa like

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/esperunit/DSC00104.jpg?t=1173841671

[marc]

the japanese should build it

the italians should style it

[Carbonized_GT]

the japanese should build it

the italians should style it


dawt.

Hell I wouldnt mind if the British designed it.

I personally think its hideous.

The 22B was THE best looking Subaru ever built.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

Subarus are always ugly, except for the GC8. It's no surprise, the engine under the hood and any awd refinements make up for it.

EVO X and whatever next sti/wrx comes out are both ugly.

And to a lot of people.. no 4g63 = no evo.

Same might hold true in the subaru world if there is no longer some sort of ejxx under there.

[SOAPY]

Atleast its more pulled back in aggressiveness then the previous gens but I still prefer the 04 styling of course I'm biased tho :gap:

[neological]

I highly doubt it will end up looking like that. They look about as convincing as the 8th gen Celica or MKIV Supra sketches.

[Gas-n-Grease]

I dunno... these look pretty convincing that the new imprezas are gonna look the way they were drawn up.
http://photos-497.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v64/237/107/505872211/n505872211_36497_6199.jpg
http://photos-498.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v64/237/107/505872211/n505872211_36498_6496.jpg

[neological]

I saw a ton of sketches in japanese magazines like this for the 8th and 9th gen STi and they were waaaaay off.

[Carbonized_GT]

MKIV Supra sketches.


MKV

[CELICAonaPROWL]

Not a fan at all.

[neological]

MKV
No, I meant MKIV. there were a bunch of sketches waaay back in the day of what it was going to look like and they were dead wrong. I saw them in some really old motor trend.

[neological]

I dunno... these look pretty convincing that the new imprezas are gonna look the way they were drawn up.


I don't deny the shape is close but the details and styling will look a lot different, those pictures are just speculation drawn using camoflauged spy shots of the car as a reference.

[SWPLGT05]

Subarus are always ugly, except for the GC8. It's no surprise, the engine under the hood and any awd refinements make up for it.

EVO X and whatever next sti/wrx comes out are both ugly.

And to a lot of people.. no 4g63 = no evo.

Same might hold true in the subaru world if there is no longer some sort of ejxx under there.

The next Sti will have the EJ25 under the hood.

[Carbonized_GT]

MKV
No, I meant MKIV. there were a bunch of sketches waaay back in the day of what it was going to look like and they were dead wrong. I saw them in some really old motor trend.


Ah ok.

I saw the acutal rolling concept for it, and it was somewhat close to the final product.

[esper]

Some official 2008 pics got leaked from germany. Big crapstorm on nasioc about it, SOA dealers admit its the correct pic, are trying to run damage control. they're at the top of this page:

http://home.arcor.de/goep5/indexStudien07.htm

[LightningRod]

:puke:

[jlitman]

Would it really kill them to design one that at least vaguely resembled a sports car?

[esper]

well.. its not a "sports car" per se, so it never has been designed like one. its a rally sedan/wagon based on a shortened full size car platform, not a wegdy liftback.

[jlitman]

well.. its not a "sports car" per se, so it never has been designed like one. its a rally sedan/wagon based on a shortened full size car platform, not a wegdy liftback.

Granted -- but how many folks in the US buy it to rally race? They could keep essentially the same chassis, but delete two doors, and attract a broader crowd. :shrugs:

[Carbonized_GT]

well.. its not a "sports car" per se, so it never has been designed like one. its a rally sedan/wagon based on a shortened full size car platform, not a wegdy liftback.


Well look at the Citroen C4 and Focus RS, those a 2dr Liftbacks/hatches and are currently ontop of the WRC, dont ya think Subaru could take a hint that a short wheelbase hatch/liftback does well in rally?

[jlitman]

well.. its not a "sports car" per se, so it never has been designed like one. its a rally sedan/wagon based on a shortened full size car platform, not a wegdy liftback.


Well look at the Citroen C4 and Focus RS, those a 2dr Liftbacks/hatches and are currently ontop of the WRC, dont ya think Subaru could take a hint that a short wheelbase hatch/liftback does well in rally?

^^^ Hear hear!

[esper]

yeah the c4 does well, but they probably wont sell near as many 2 door liftbacks as they will 4 door sedans and wagons. Since subaru is such a small company the WRX is a bread and butter car for them, they seem to think 4 door is the way to go. In support that, I'm on my third four door impreza, never even thought about buying a 2 door coupe since I like the practicality of four doors.

I mean its like also saying why isnt the evo a 2 door liftback... theyve always been mid size/compact sedan based and theyre sticking to that.

[marc]

those new shots are pretty atrocious

[Carbonized_GT]

yeah the c4 does well, but they probably wont sell near as many 2 door liftbacks as they will 4 door sedans and wagons. Since subaru is such a small company the WRX is a bread and butter car for them, they seem to think 4 door is the way to go. In support that, I'm on my third four door impreza, never even thought about buying a 2 door coupe since I like the practicality of four doors.

I mean its like also saying why isnt the evo a 2 door liftback... theyve always been mid size/compact sedan based and theyre sticking to that.


I actually happen to think it may sell well in the regions outside of the US, because Europe and Japan love hatches. IMO the greatest thing Subaru ever produced was the 2.5rs and 22B.

[esper]

I actually happen to think it may sell well in the regions outside of the US, because Europe and Japan love hatches. IMO the greatest thing Subaru ever produced was the 2.5rs and 22B.

true but they sold less 2.5RS's than any other car. There was simply no demand for them, they became popular after their time.

Subaru sells a lot of imprezas and unfortunately makes too many design compromises because of it. I'm glad I go my 06 now.

[d's gts]

why a hatch, they should keep it sedan wise...i think the 05s were the best looking IMO..06/07 models im sort of growing into.

[Carbonized_GT]

300+HP
4wd
3 door hatch
Sub 3300lbs.

[TrD CeLiCa]

yuck, dont lik ethe wagon look

[Red Falcon]

Some official 2008 pics got leaked from germany. Big crapstorm on nasioc about it, SOA dealers admit its the correct pic, are trying to run damage control. they're at the top of this page:

http://home.arcor.de/goep5/indexStudien07.htm
http://mitglied.lycos.de/gop4/HBgross.gif

Haha sad but funny. Why did they have to make the impreza look so ugly? The old one might not have looked great, I liked them although not many others seem to, but this looks soooo fugly it's not even funny. Lots of people compromised on looks for Evos and WRX's, but I don't know how many people can look at this and compromise.

[esper]

motor trend leaked it, like they always do:

Its explained all in here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1230616

http://share.3wheel.net/images/cars/wrx003s.jpg
http://share.3wheel.net/images/cars/wrx2s.jpg
http://share.3wheel.net/images/cars/wrx4s.jpg

[celica_2nr]

are they trying to compete with the vw gti? i noticed in the super street magazine that they're always advertiseing saying that they dont need a toy named "fast" or somethin like that.

[SWPLGT05]

I think it looks ok, but I reserve my right to alter my opinion when i actually see one not on a computer screen or in a magazine.

[Carbonized_GT]

i threw up in my mouth a little.

[neological]

motor trend leaked it, like they always do:

Its explained all in here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1230616

I wonder if motor trend realizes because of this behavior car magazines will not get the future perks that they're used to such as preview test drives and first looks. They're really ruining it for everybody, I don't think anyone appreciates what they're doing. They not getting a "scoop," they're just breaking the rules everyone else is following.

[esper]

yeah its funny that these pics were put on the net by a nasioc member who was delivered an early copy of a standard subscription magazine.

The link tries to explain it, but like the MS3, the manufacturers would still rather be the darling of the auto press for 2 months than keep a debut a secret.

[neological]

I'm more referring to the Camaro "reveal" than the MS3. Nobody was happy about that one.

I'm convinced Mazda forked over some serious payola when the MS3 came out. I remember seeing it on the cover of every car magazine at once, that didn't happen with the Camaro, Evo X, M3, etc...

[kenshin811]

Well it really couldn't get any uglier so...

True that

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

WOW! Makes the EVO X look better:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/EvoTenFQ/EvoXGrey.jpg

http://claeswikdahl.com/images/evox/evoxWhite001.jpg

http://claeswikdahl.com/images/evox/evox006s.jpg

[ShadowGT-S]

now that's pretty hot!

[SWPLGT05]

No it doesnt. The new Evo still looks like crap.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

No it doesnt. The new Evo still looks like crap.

if the new EVO looks like crap, the new subies dont have a word worse enough to compare. haha

[silverCELICAgt-s]

those leaked pics from motor trend make it look ike a mazda

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

The best looking subarus were the GC8, and then when the STi first hit with the first design here I thought maybe..... just maybe subaru is heading the right direction as far as appearance. But I guess they realized that, so they went straight back to ugly, and continuing the trend as we see in the models prior to that STi (06 I think?)

At least they are sticking with the EJ motor unlike Mitsu which is no longer using the crazy proven 4G63. That might just break em there. We'll see.

[Motor]

Subaru finds out there is such a thing as bad publicity (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=120212?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#2)
Carryover outcry
It's not just the looks of the new WRX that are drawing raspberries from every basement-dwelling keyboard jockey, though. The sharp eyes of the faithful have noticed that the front brakes of the 2008 model have two-pot calipers in place of the four-piston units featured by the outgoing WRX, while the carryover-specification, 224-hp 2.5-liter flat-4 with its five-speed manual transmission doesn't exactly make for ecstatic copy either. Lost on the excitable forum posters is the fact that despite its increased dimensions, the new 2008 WRX is actually lighter than the outgoing model.

Subaru fans might have been outraged, but the denizens of general-interest car forums have been equally dismissive of the new car, which could portend even worse things for Subaru when the 2008 WRX is actually unveiled at the New York show on Thursday, April 5. To bring the whole dust-up to an oddly tidy conclusion, someone posted the poor-quality images of the Motor Trend article on the magazine's own Web forums. As one poster on the MT forum noted, "The exterior looks like the a$$ end of a smoky link."

We suppose that's better than being splattered with chicken intestines.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.subaru.wrx/subaru.wrx.full.size.big.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.subaru.wrx/subaru.wrx.rally.review.500.jpg

Let the hating continue.

[Motor]

WRX sedan, which resembles (slightly) the last gen Camry, except it has a hood scoop.
http://cwimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/urlget?url=/files/specials/2007_ny/subaru/wrx/08.jpg&Maxw=600
http://cwimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/urlget?url=/files/specials/2007_ny/subaru/wrx/09.jpg&Maxw=600

[SWPLGT05]

Ok, i give up. That sedan is horrible. The wagon isnt too bad but the sedan is just f'in ugly! Looks like Mitsu and Subaru are screwing up by the numbers.

[Carbonized_GT]

the sedan looks like a corolla with a hoodscoop.

[Red Falcon]

New subie gallery /shudder: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-subaru-impreza/

[neological]

Did you ever end up sending a check for my brother' s car (aka the one good looking generation of subaru?)

[celicadragon]

ugly as hell, but who cares what it looks like when its powerful as hell.

[marc]

ugly as hell, but who cares what it looks like when its powerful as hell.


OoOoOoOO 225 hp of fury in a 3200+ lb vehicle

[The__J__Factor]

i never liked the new gen rexs, i thought the front end looked weak but when i saw the charge speed front bars you can get it made me change my mind.

The head lights turn out to look really aggressive when the front end is opened up a little,never mind charge speeds love of orange and gay decals, this is a rex id like to own.
http://www.chargespeed.com/english/impreza-gd-f-e1.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/The__J__Factor/chargespeed.jpg

[Red Falcon]

Did you ever end up sending a check for my brother' s car (aka the one good looking generation of subaru?)
Of course! The car is on the truck over right now.

[neological]

The chargespeed kit looks really nice except 2 things: you need a new hood and you can't buy it without the redundant looking lower sub-lip.

[esper]

The chargespeed kit looks really nice except 2 things: you need a new hood and you can't buy it without the redundant looking lower sub-lip.

you can buy it without the lower sub lip. I saw one once and it is retardedly hot in real life, probably the best looking subaru i've seen.

If i had pointless money I'd be putting it on my car. Sucks you have to get teh hood with it.

hotness:
http://www.chargespeed.com/english/gdb-f-t1b-1-e1.htm

[Motor]

First Drive: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=121192?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#2)
The Japan-Spec WRX Shows Us the Face of Its New Personality

First Impressions:
Striving for a wider audience, the new Impreza WRX has toned down its styling but still performs like a driver's car.

Still a Driver's Car
You can't argue with a turbocharged engine, a tight chassis and exceptional poise on the road. While the 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX might not look as aggressive as before, it still drives well, and the upgraded interior package might indeed have a stronger appeal to mainstream car shoppers.

But on the flip side, the 2008 WRX's lack of identity in the aesthetics department and the shortcomings of its engine enhancements might alienate current WRX owners. Perhaps they're supposed to move on to the Subaru Impreza WRX STI.

Now there's a car worth waiting for, although it won't appear in public until the Tokyo auto show. It will look somewhat different, with a more prominent hood scoop and a bigger grille to enhance airflow to the 300-hp turbocharged boxer-4, and prominent fender flares will accentuate the 18-inch wheels. The hardware underneath will be familiar, however, including Brembo brakes, a more aggressive suspension setup and a recalibrated all-wheel-drive system. Apparently it will not feature a dual-clutch sequential manual transmission with steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. Aisin, one of the largest transmission manufacturers in Japan, is developing this technology for Subaru, but it won't appear until the 2009 Subaru Impreza WRX STI.

Based on our drive of this Japan-specification car, we'd say that the 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX has a slightly different personality to match its new looks. It'll make a lot of new friends, but we'll have to see if it can keep its old friends, too.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2008/subaru.impreza.wrx/subaru.impreza.wrx.act.corner.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2008/subaru.impreza.wrx/subaru.impreza.wrx.act.drift.500.jpg

[mukalicious]

that second pic makes it look like a honda fit. :jerkoff:

[marc]

hideous as always

hopefully the legacy gt will remain the same

[Acct4me]

can't... get... past... the... ugly...

[emocrab]

hmmm subaru WRX Turbo Diesel 4 huh that sounds interesting...

[Motor]

Full Test: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=121788#2)
What Works:
Improved utility; interior quality; boost response.

What Needs Work:
Engine runs out of steam early; soft suspension with lots of body roll; sleepy styling.

Bottom Line:
Softer than before but still capable, the WRX has gone mainstream.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.subaru.impreza.wrx/08.subaru.wrx.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.subaru.impreza.wrx/08.subaru.wrx.r34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/08.subaru.impreza.wrx/08.subaru.wrx.int.500.jpg

[GTsRasta]

No thanks.

[mukalicious]

:thumbdown

[SOAPY]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=121788#2

What Needs Work:
Engine runs out of steam early; soft suspension with lots of body roll; sleepy styling.





I don't like the sound of that. WTF? :wtc:

[bps1804]

Nnnnnope.

I really don't understand why Subaru went with a 5-door hatchback model.


Both the Evo X and this (+ STi) look terrible now.

[nyoneway]

Front looks ok... econo bland at best... rear looks like econo crap.

[Red Falcon]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=121788#2

M3 all over again?

[LightningRod]

The interior looks nicer. That's about it.

I still can't decide whether or not I like the exterior.

For now, this poll gets a "no."

[Carbonized_GT]

no.

[marc]

no rear LSD ?

is Subaru retarded or something ?

[neological]

Previous WRXs were missing diffs all over the place, Subaru is just like that.

[marc]

Previous WRXs were missing diffs all over the place, Subaru is just like that.


that explains why they drove like crap

I like the looks of the 04s and the drive of the 07s

[TRT_Performance]

uh-uh :thumbdown

[GTsRasta]

Nnnnnope.

I really don't understand why Subaru went with a 5-door hatchback model.


Both the Evo X and this (+ STi) look terrible now.

Take the time to walk around a base Lancer in silver, and then imagine all the extra upgrades the EVO X will have. It WILL look much better the more you're exposed to it. Trust me, it'll be a hit (looks wise at least).

[neological]

The Evo X looks good in every color except the color the concept car is (dark red).

[Red Falcon]

Take the time to walk around a base Lancer in silver, and then imagine all the extra upgrades the EVO X will have. It WILL look much better the more you're exposed to it. Trust me, it'll be a hit (looks wise at least).
You don't think it looks way more like a grocery getter then the IX? It looks like an econobox. I'm sure there will be some decent looking ones, but it still won't come with the 4G63.

[LightningRod]

Take the time to walk around a base Lancer in silver, and then imagine all the extra upgrades the EVO X will have. It WILL look much better the more you're exposed to it. Trust me, it'll be a hit (looks wise at least).
You don't think it looks way more like a grocery getter then the IX? It looks like an econobox. I'm sure there will be some decent looking ones, but it still won't come with the 4G63.


IMHO you have it backwards my friend. I saw several Lancer GTS being transported on a truck, damn what a makeover. The newest iteration looks much better and more modern, while the last one had "econobox" and "econobox on steroids" written all over it.

[Red Falcon]

IMHO you have it backwards my friend. I saw several Lancer GTS being transported on a truck, damn what a makeover. The newest iteration looks much better and more modern, while the last one had "econobox" and "econobox on steroids" written all over it.
Lancers look more agressive, yes I agree. I was only talking about the evo model however.

[lpphreakx06]

Ooogly

[Motor]

It’s still great to drive… but it’s not coming to the UK
:thumbdown Bland styling, no official UK imports
:thumbup: Fine ride and handling, cabin quality

4 stars
http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_440/car_photo_220253_5.jpg

It looks great in white. The Camry/Corolla comparisons keep coming and coming and coming...

[LightningRod]

IMHO you have it backwards my friend. I saw several Lancer GTS being transported on a truck, damn what a makeover. The newest iteration looks much better and more modern, while the last one had "econobox" and "econobox on steroids" written all over it.
Lancers look more agressive, yes I agree. I was only talking about the evo model however.


Even the upcoming Evo model looks so much better compared to the outgoing IX. The Evo IX was what I was referring to earlier when I said "econobox on steroids."

:gap:

[esper]

Previous WRXs were missing diffs all over the place, Subaru is just like that.

um all over the place?

you mean like all of them which have 3 differentials, rear LSD, Center diff and open front diff?

They have never sold a WRX without 3 diffs minimum, going all the way back to 1992. 2 are LSDs one is open, and its not a huge difference either, having driven pretty much all of the setups imaginable.

[Gas-n-Grease]

that's one giant leap backwards for Subaru. you can see "toyota" styling there. However, I'd consider one if they dropped two doors from the car.

[GTsRasta]

Trust me. The new EVOs and Lancers look WAY less econobox-like. Just look at the proportions and curves. More sleeker and boy-racer now.

After these last few weeks of picturesof the new WRX, the looks deffinetally grew on me. I think it looks much more cleaner than the old uglier boy racer theme. But to be on the fair side, I think the B9 Tribeca look of the last STI was the best looking one of all. The looks of that car grew on me as well to be a nicely agressive looking car when in black.

The non-hatch version looks decent. But too bad they're killing the performance.

[TW00Si]

The white wrx from side profile towards the rear has a hint of bmw 3 series sedan.

[esper]

I think the B9 Tribeca look of the last STI was the best looking one of all. The looks of that car grew on me as well to be a nicely agressive looking car when in black.


I agree, like it or not, at least the 02-03 and 06-07s had personality. Now its just bland.

however the 08 STi is a lot less bland, and still gives me a small glimmer of hope. Subaru just wants to sell more mass market cars, which sucks for car enthusiasts. When they dropped the WRX name in japan thats a sign the party's over.

[willshatattack]

well this is sad news :(

[KAT_Ayanami]

Come on Esper, you are everything but neutral!

[Motor]

Comparison Test: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=121942#2)
Two Affordable Turbocharged Wagons Face Off

Price Matters
At just over $25,000, the Mazdaspeed 3 isn't cheap. But the Subaru WRX came in at an as-tested $27,595. Of course the WRX has the advantage of all-wheel drive and if you live in Colorado, New Hampshire or Vermont that can make all the difference come wintertime. Still, if performance-bang-for-your-hard-earned-buck is the bottom line, you'll be better off moving to a warmer climate and buying a Mazdaspeed 3.

It's hard not to be somewhat disappointed by the Impreza WRX. It's a good car, but it's wrapped in lackluster sheet metal and doesn't have the edge it needs to be a consistently entertaining driving companion. Here's hoping the WRX STI that's coming sharpens this car into something spectacular.

Last year the Mazdaspeed 3 rose to be crowned the king of the sport compacts. Its spot on the throne is safe for now.
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2007/mazdaspeed.3/comparo.group.1.500.JPG

Agree? Which would you rather own -- the MS3 or WRX? :eatpop:

[XechsZero02GT-S]

Between these two, the Mazdaspeed 3. I don't live anywhere near Colorado. If I did, I'd get an older WRX.

[GTsRasta]

Between these two, the Mazdaspeed 3. I don't live anywhere near Colorado. If I did, I'd get an older WRX.

You'd choose the flimsier FWD beast? Ugh...

[nyoneway]

You'd choose the flimsier FWD beast? Ugh...

Stock vs stock, yes.

[marc]

I wouldn't be caught dead in either of them

[esper]

ms3 can't be taken anywhere once you buy it. TQ steer will just get worse as power is added, it has no room to grow. WRX has a lot more that it is capable of as a platform and magazine writers ignore this because its their job to report on stock cars and take the money mazda gave them to insanely overhype the relatively blah MS3.

[neological]

I drove another MS3 recently and I think it's pretty much exactly like a Japanese GTi, which is good and bad. the torque steer is very noticable and gets much worse as you add power.

[Motor]

GRILLZ YO! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-Impreza-WRX-2008-SUBARU-IMPREZA-WRX-BRAND-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31868QQihZ006QQitem Z160144386890)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6986/aussieimprezalargevv4.jpg

[marc]

zomgdz that rear end is a sin against god

http://i16.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/ag/dd/d5da_12.JPG

[KAT_Ayanami]

Please people! Before saying that you would choose a MS3 TEST DRIVE IT!

It is a horrible car!

- Feels like you are driving an egg (or a Yaris coupe) The car just leans from one side to the other.

- Too much power for a FWD. Im not kidding, if you step on the gas a little too much, your tires will loose all traction once you hit 3000 rpms and the turbo kicks in.

- One of the longest shifters I have seen! Close to 9 in long!

- The only fun part is to accelerate to engage the turbo, but at that moment, you feel like you are going to die because the car has very little control (not even talking about safety ratings!)

They should have made a little edgier subaru. Lets see if it would be fixable through a body kit.

Kat.

[neological]

- One of the longest shifters I have seen! Close to 9 in long!

- The only fun part is to accelerate to engage the turbo, but at that moment, you feel like you are going to die because the car has very little control (not even talking about safety ratings!)


Wow, I totally agree with those comments.

[slopokegts]

i saw one on the road the other day driving past an intersection while i was at a stop. i thought at first glance it was a focus. must be a dealer joyriding it cuz it had no plates and had that white plastic covering the top parts of the car.

[marc]

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article3209571.ece

Jeremy Clarkson

[QUOTE]There are many ways to tell if someone is a bit thick. You can sit them in a room and ask them to push various bits of plastic into a wooden box. Or you can ask them to describe a cloud. Or you can carefully measure the distance between their eyes, the height of their forehead or the length of their arms.

But there

[neological]

The NABISCO cultists will still love it anyway despite the fact that it is soulless, fugly and uninspired.

[BobtheBuilder]

[QUOTE]Still, the vibrant colouring does at least take your mind off the fact that this is a

[marc]

The NABISCO cultists will still love it anyway despite the fact that it is soulless, fugly and uninspired.


its bizarre, but my mother has joined their cult already.

[GTsRasta]

Funny article. Clarkson's the man. I'll still go with a 06 model though.

[Red Falcon]

The NABISCO cultists will still love it anyway despite the fact that it is soulless, fugly and uninspired.
Even Zak admitted that it was ugly though! That's a big step ha.

[jae]

yup, its ugly, reminds me of mazda 3 everyday i see it.
but then again, sti's always have been ugly since the day one. its not the most attractive car like Z or rx-7.
Also, sti always been based on performance and performance only, no comfort and no luxury. purely function. it's a economic/performance car that out performs most of performance cars.
it(sti spec-c) has the fastest record on tsukuba circuit for factory tuned car and new one is supposely faster. so we'll see what they do about new sti's. its very hard to argue or make points without any actual test and proof.

[KAT_Ayanami]

yup, its ugly, reminds me of mazda 3 everyday i see it.
but then again, sti's always have been ugly since the day one. its not the most attractive car like Z or rx-7.
Also, sti always been based on performance and performance only, no comfort and no luxury. purely function. it's a economic/performance car that out performs most of performance cars.
it(sti spec-c) has the fastest record on tsukuba circuit for factory tuned car and new one is supposely faster. so we'll see what they do about new sti's. its very hard to argue or make points without any actual test and proof.

And still is worse than an Evo.

Man, I had to go and pee after the Ethiopian guy comment! I thought I could hold it when he said about the soup on the Wellingtons!

[saint_foo]

The NABISCO cultists will still love it anyway despite the fact that it is soulless, fugly and uninspired.


WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN A SUBARU?!!! JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THE EVO IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD DOESN'T MEAN THE NEW STI ISN'T THE DOG'S BALLZ. I BET YOU STREET RACE STIS AND LOSE ALL THE TIME. YOU SUCK, BEN.

my wagon's fastAr.

btw, funny as hell quote from Jeremy. I do like the new hatch, but hate the sedan.

-Ed

[neological]

yup, its ugly, reminds me of mazda 3 everyday i see it.
but then again, sti's always have been ugly since the day one. its not the most attractive car like Z or rx-7.
Also, sti always been based on performance and performance only, no comfort and no luxury. purely function. it's a economic/performance car that out performs most of performance cars.
it(sti spec-c) has the fastest record on tsukuba circuit for factory tuned car and new one is supposely faster. so we'll see what they do about new sti's. its very hard to argue or make points without any actual test and proof.
The STi does not outperform most performance cars and has a boatload of "luxury" features. Most balls-to-the-wall race cars do not have cruise control. The Evo RS is much closer to a "no comfort pure function" car as it has roll up windows, no trunk lining and no AC.

As far as I can see from lap times on Tsukuba the spec-c was beaten by the new GT-R, the 03 360 CS, The Gallardo, 997 turbo, and the Z06, all factory cars. The spec-c isn't even in the top 20 (though the s204 is).

[marc]

yeah - the EVO and STI both perform great, and are a great value - but they don't perform like a pure sports car and they don't have the comforts you'd expect in a car at that price point, never mind other sports cars.

In particular, the Corvette comes to mind. The Corvette truly is a performance bargain and has been since the C4.

I still don't think I would drive one over a 911 though.

[jae]

And still is worse than an Evo.

ok buddy, with your unlimited of car knowledge, please explain and prove how evos are better than sti. please.

last best motoring test show that 08 sti outperformed all the new evos and 9 mr and 07 sti. not to mention it started as last on the grid. and placed first within the first 4 laps.

[jae]

The STi does not outperform most performance cars and has a boatload of "luxury" features. Most balls-to-the-wall race cars do not have cruise control. The Evo RS is much closer to a "no comfort pure function" car as it has roll up windows, no trunk lining and no AC.

As far as I can see from lap times on Tsukuba the spec-c was beaten by the new GT-R, the 03 360 CS, The Gallardo, 997 turbo, and the Z06, all factory cars. The spec-c isn't even in the top 20 (though the s204 is).

well, if you are talking about all other cars out there, why didn't you bring up zonda F and all other super cars or even mclaren f1??. I'm pointing all the japanese domestic cars

Fact
-04 spec-c was the fastest japanese factory tuned car to hold record in tsukuba, until new 08 gt-r came out. Not your Evo RS. certainly outperformed all the japanese cars in product during that time. isn't that enough for you?
-s204 outperformed everyone of your supercars you mentioned, check the bm video.

Even with all this. sti is $30k affordable automobile, unlike your gallardo or gt-r . you just can't compare these cars in same category. they are just in different level. Seriously, who the hell compares these cars?
So it pretty much outperforms everycars around that price range or in its class

[marc]

And still is worse than an Evo.

ok buddy, with your unlimited of car knowledge, please explain and prove how evos are better than sti. please.

last best motoring test show that 08 sti outperformed all the new evos and 9 mr and 07 sti. not to mention it started as last on the grid. and placed first within the first 4 laps.


Driven both. I liked driving the EVO better. The EVO wins.

I also like driving a Mazda Miata better than a BMW Z4. Miata wins.

In fact, I DEFINITELY like driving the Miata more than the STI. Miata wins again.

So see, its not about who posts the best lap times - I don't need bragging rights about how my car runs .04 seconds faster around Tsukaba, my penis is large enough and more importantly, the car is relatively meaningless unless you're given equally skilled drivers.

[jae]

Driven both. I liked driving the EVO better. The EVO wins.

I also like driving a Mazda Miata better than a BMW Z4. Miata wins.

In fact, I DEFINITELY like driving the Miata more than the STI. Miata wins again.

So see, its not about who posts the best lap times - I don't need bragging rights about how my car runs .04 seconds faster around Tsukaba, my penis is large enough and more importantly, the car is relatively meaningless unless you're given equally skilled drivers.

of course, everyone has different perspectives. i still think my old celica handles better than my sti, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't.

in Best Motoring, drivers are from JGTC. all of them of top class drivers in japan. so i don't know how much more "equally skilled drivers" you can get from that???

And yes it is about how has the best lap time, that's how we classify cars and rate base on them. If we only went based on someones opinion, then civic can possibly the best car out there. But that's not the real world is it?

[KAT_Ayanami]

ok buddy, with your unlimited of car knowledge, please explain and prove how evos are better than sti. please.

last best motoring test show that 08 sti outperformed all the new evos and 9 mr and 07 sti. not to mention it started as last on the grid. and placed first within the first 4 laps.


First things first, after reading your posts and your opinions I do think like a Car Guru at your side.

Your STI is a fat piece of car that tends to over steer much more than your previous Celica.

The Evo has been always known to be a better handling car and a much more exciting a fun ride.

The only thing that the STI has over the EVO is 0.5 litters more on the engine, and that is not always a good thing.

Now, about the new 08. COME ON! You can be as biased as you want but the car STILL UNDER STEERS! And what is the idea of making it a hachtback if the car is going to be that long?? Please, that is a WAGON!

And when you talked about the test... do you mean the youtube video where Tsuchija drives the 08?? LOL Great source of info!! Now go and learn more from CEGONAX-MAN, he is great with news too!
Put Tsuchija on the Evo 09 and we will talk!

[jae]

"Your STI is a fat piece of car that tends to over steer much more than your previous Celica."
-ok was there a point to this comment? im lost

"The Evo has been always known to be a better handling car and a much more exciting a fun ride."
-evos are great cars, no doubt. but new evos are doing worse than the last gen. so there isn't much of improvements on that.

"The only thing that the STI has over the EVO is 0.5 litters more on the engine, and that is not always a good thing."
-please explain why this is bad thing other than it gets great torque and easier for DD, since the turbo doesn't kick it as harsh as evo(which I think feels like honda with a turbo)

"Now, about the new 08. COME ON! You can be as biased as you want but the car STILL UNDER STEERS! And what is the idea of making it a hachtback if the car is going to be that long?? Please, that is a WAGON!"
-i never said it looks awesome, i said it looks ugly. Even it still understeers, it beats the older sti and older and newer evos.

"And when you talked about the test... do you mean the youtube video where Tsuchija drives the 08?? LOL Great source of info!! Now go and learn more from CEGONAX-MAN, he is great with news too!
Put Tsuchija on the Evo 09 and we will talk!"
-whether it was driven by Tsuchiha or not, all of the driver in BM are top JGTC drivers.

Seriously, Again, your comments didn't have single factual information. All you said was simply your bias opinion and some useless argument that's got nothing to do with what we are talking about. Haven't you ever been in a debate? you need facts to back your statement.

I'm done arguing, its not getting anywhere

[Carbonized_GT]

battle of the fanbois.

[KAT_Ayanami]

"Your STI is a fat piece of car that tends to over steer much more than your previous Celica."
-ok was there a point to this comment? im lost

So, you tell me to say why Evos are better than STIs and when I try it you come up with that? What is wrong with you? O.o

You are totally right, there is no point on keep on arguing, you just proved that you are too biased to talk about this.

I own a 350z, so Im not biased because I own one. I have just driven the two of them and feel that even if the STI is better put together as a whole, the Evo is a better racing machine.

End of my comments.

[Beast]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/zumnwrx/ohnoes015.jpg

[marc]

[QUOTE=marc]
And yes it is about how has the best lap time, that's how we classify cars and rate base on them. If we only went based on someones opinion, then civic can possibly the best car out there. But that's not the real world is it?


You don't get it.

Its NOT about best lap times. Its about how much joy you derive from your car.

Did I race my Miata? No. Did I enjoy it immensely? Yes. Did it fit both my wants and my needs? Yes.

THAT is how you determine what the best car is - does it fit your wants, and your needs.

I don't want, or need, a car that is the fastest around the track - in fact, I prefer a moderately powered car that I can thrash the **** out of and really have to work hard to get anything out of it.

Lets be totally honest - if I wanted to go out and custom order to my specifications a brand new Corvette or E92 M3 or IS-F today, I could. Why don't I? Well aside from the fact that I don't really like any of those three in the first place, none of them fit my wants or needs, so I would just be pissing my money away.

To some people, the Civic IS the best car out there - good gas mileage, good reliability, sharp styling, fun to drive, fits all their stuff.

I have met an old lady who was absolutely convinced the PT Cruiser was the best car ever made. And guess what, for her, it probably was. Again, it hit the sweet spot for her. The same can be said about people who love the Scion xB - while I don't really dig that car, I can understand why people fall in love with it.

Now do you get it or am I just beating a dead horse?

[saint_foo]

You don't get it.

Its NOT about best lap times. Its about how much joy you derive from your car.

Did I race my Miata? No. Did I enjoy it immensely? Yes. Did it fit both my wants and my needs? Yes.

THAT is how you determine what the best car is - does it fit your wants, and your needs.

I don't want, or need, a car that is the fastest around the track - in fact, I prefer a moderately powered car that I can thrash the **** out of and really have to work hard to get anything out of it.

Lets be totally honest - if I wanted to go out and custom order to my specifications a brand new Corvette or E92 M3 or IS-F today, I could. Why don't I? Well aside from the fact that I don't really like any of those three in the first place, none of them fit my wants or needs, so I would just be pissing my money away.

To some people, the Civic IS the best car out there - good gas mileage, good reliability, sharp styling, fun to drive, fits all their stuff.

I have met an old lady who was absolutely convinced the PT Cruiser was the best car ever made. And guess what, for her, it probably was. Again, it hit the sweet spot for her. The same can be said about people who love the Scion xB - while I don't really dig that car, I can understand why people fall in love with it.

Now do you get it or am I just beating a dead horse?

+1 !!!!

Now can we just agree that the STi is far superior than the EVO..... I keed, I keed! Of course I'm biased since I see Subarus a couple of times a week at the shop I work at. I still would like to drive the new STi (meh on the sedan WRX) and the new EVO. I think both cars are pretty damn good and we'll hear a lot more from owners as the year progresses. Personally, I think the STi hatch is hot and the new EVO body is meh at best. I truly love the older body styles, but it's not like someone's gonna bring them back for mass production. I can hardly wait till they redo the front grill area of the Subarus. It's like they hired the guy who designed BMWs during the fugly period.

[Beast]

+1 !!!!

Now can we just agree that the STi is far superior than the EVO..... I keed, I keed! Of course I'm biased since I see Subarus a couple of times a week at the shop I work at. I still would like to drive the new STi (meh on the sedan WRX) and the new EVO. I think both cars are pretty damn good and we'll hear a lot more from owners as the year progresses. Personally, I think the STi hatch is hot and the new EVO body is meh at best. I truly love the older body styles, but it's not like someone's gonna bring them back for mass production. I can hardly wait till they redo the front grill area of the Subarus. It's like they hired the guy who designed BMWs during the fugly period.


I didn't know you registered on here. Nice. :thumbup:

<- Roger.

[party2go]

+1 !!!!

Now can we just agree that the STi is far superior than the EVO..... I keed, I keed! Of course I'm biased since I see Subarus a couple of times a week at the shop I work at. I still would like to drive the new STi (meh on the sedan WRX) and the new EVO. I think both cars are pretty damn good and we'll hear a lot more from owners as the year progresses. Personally, I think the STi hatch is hot and the new EVO body is meh at best. I truly love the older body styles, but it's not like someone's gonna bring them back for mass production. I can hardly wait till they redo the front grill area of the Subarus. It's like they hired the guy who designed BMWs during the fugly period.


I didn't know you registered on here. Nice. :thumbup:

<- Roger.

Me either.

<=== Scott

[neological]

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW? HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN A SUBARU?!!! JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THE EVO IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD DOESN'T MEAN THE NEW STI ISN'T THE DOG'S BALLZ. I BET YOU STREET RACE STIS AND LOSE ALL THE TIME. YOU SUCK, BEN.

my wagon's fastAr.

btw, funny as hell quote from Jeremy. I do like the new hatch, but hate the sedan.

-Ed
Did you make an account here just to harass me? Begone to your fiefdom in NABISCO.

Oh, we need to set up a night to spin some records soon.

[neological]

well, if you are talking about all other cars out there, why didn't you bring up zonda F and all other super cars or even mclaren f1??. I'm pointing all the japanese domestic cars

Fact
-04 spec-c was the fastest japanese factory tuned car to hold record in tsukuba, until new 08 gt-r came out. Not your Evo RS.


I don't own an Evo RS, I was just using it to point out that it's totally retarded to think the STi is "performance and performance only, no comfort and no luxury. purely function." Even with A/C, cruise control and unfathomably heavy seats.

It also now has a FVCKING SATNAV.

I'll get to your spurious, totally unsubstantiated speed claims in a second.

certainly outperformed all the japanese cars in product during that time. isn't that enough for you?
-s204 outperformed everyone of your supercars you mentioned, check the bm video.

Where does this Spec C record come from? produce the evidence.

There is a lot of evidence of stock Evo IX running all over the 1:05 region on Tsukuba, the new STi runs a high 1:05. Wow. TEH FASTEST.

I've compiled a little list for you of laptimes I have found. I have NEVER found a time for the spec C that broke into 1:04

1:04.65 Evo V RS
1:04.93 Evo VII RS
1:05.12 Sti Type RA Spec C (2001)
1:05.15 Evo VI RS
1:05.56 Sti Spec C (2003)
1:05.57 Sti (2003)
1:05.69 Evo VI GSR
1:05.72 Evo VI GSR TME
1:05.84 STi Spec C (2001)
1:05.93 Evo VII GSR
1:07.09 Evo V GSR

Your evidence is all crap and you talk out of your ass. BMI video? I saw it and I didn't see it compete with any of those cars. Also, the new BMI Evo/Sti generations test is an open wheel race with a full grid with different drivers which proves nothing about the cars. You're now relegated in my books to being a kool-aid drinking NABISCO fapper.

So is the Spec C the fastest because someone told you or because you read it in SubieSport? Fastestlaps.com has the time for the Spec C at 1:07:35 FROM BMI which is good for a whopping 48th place. The numbers I quoted in the above table (1:05.84) were the best I found, I'm doing everything to give your claims the benefit of the doubt.

Googling "STi Spec C Tsukuba Record" in various ways returns nothing. I can find no evidence it ever held a lap record there. Meanwhile, Googleing "GT-R Tsukuba record" brings back a million articles about it holding the actual record.

Even with all this. sti is $30k affordable automobile

What, are they like 15% off now? Your pricing needs research.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123533
$35,640 =/= 30,000.

also:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/rabbitae86/subarusti028.jpg
Actual picture! $39,864!

Seriously, who the hell compares these cars?

"(sti spec-c) has the fastest record on tsukuba circuit for factory tuned car"

You did. If you think the above statement does not compare the STi to factory tuned cars then you are obtuse. By making that statement you directly imply that no factory tuned cars have beaten it when several have, I mentioned the several.

So it pretty much outperforms everycars around that price range or in its class

Mmmm, Subaru kool-aid. There should be deprogramming for people like you. Everything you say is an unsubstantiated opinion or from BMI. You are a victim of evangelical thinking.

Turn down your RDF!

[marc]

wow

$40,000 for an STI ?

I'll take a 335i please. Thank you, drive thru.


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/rabbitae86/subarusti028.jpg


but
but
ZOMGDZ SYMETRICAL AWD!!!!!!!

[neological]

that price doesn't even include the "no frills" satnav.

Someone will probably claim it's a Photoshop.

[marc]

that price doesn't even include the "no frills" satnav.

Someone will probably claim it's a Photoshop.


Honestly though, I hear the EVO X pricing is only marginally better - and it IS slower in a straight line than the last EVO and this STI.

[neological]

Still, I'm not running around claiming it costs 30k. That's just ridiculous.

btw, you can just get the STi without the center armrest and save $163.00! At least my floormats were not an option.

[GSBoek]

What's this NABISCO thing ya'll talking about? Does that mean that Sti fans are the typical cracker eating, tea drinking crowd? :shrugs:

[Carbonized_GT]

What's this NABISCO thing ya'll talking about? Does that mean that Sti fans are the typical cracker eating, tea drinking crowd? :shrugs:


I think he is referring to NASIOC or whatever.

[BobtheBuilder]

Still, I'm not running around claiming it costs 30k. That's just ridiculous.

btw, you can just get the STi without the center armrest and save $163.00! At least my floormats were not an option.

:chuckles: do they really need to nickel and dime the customers for floor mats?

[Red Falcon]

What's this NABISCO thing ya'll talking about? Does that mean that Sti fans are the typical cracker eating, tea drinking crowd? :shrugs:
NABISCO is the nickname for NASIOC.

[smartSOFT]

i love subbies but i will saythat the new STi is butt ugly....no its fugly

as far as "performance" goes the sti is a quick car but the evo has more top end and straight line speed. thats a fact and its also common knowledge! the evo has a bigger turbo too!

i recently went to a few subby dealerships and they are notoriously overpricing the car. i wasnt even looking at an STI and they told me (for an 08 wrx) they wanted 25,000 with 6.9-7.9% financing and they wouldnt HAGGLE/NEGOTIATE. they didnt even market the STi as a fast car...they told me it was made for rallying and that it "handles extremely well."


i personally wouldnt buy the new STi and i am actually someone who likes subaru's

[GSBoek]

What's this NABISCO thing ya'll talking about? Does that mean that Sti fans are the typical cracker eating, tea drinking crowd?

I think he is referring to NASIOC or whatever.


NABISCO is the nickname for NASIOC.

Ah ok. I really thought it referred to the crackers company, I was way off :gap:

[marc]

as far as "performance" goes the sti is a quick car but the evo has more top end and straight line speed. thats a fact and its also common knowledge! the evo has a bigger turbo too!


Uh, no - its not a fact and its not common knowledge.

The first gen STI (america) was faster than the EVO 8

But the EVO 9 was faster than the 2nd gen STI, even though it was rated as having less horsepower (it still dynoed higher)

The new EVO is slower than the old EVO, to 60 mph and it gets even worse up to 120 mph.

The new STI just keeps getting faster and faster and faster.

However, the new EVO has sickening handling.

This is all just bench racing anyways - both the EVO X and the new STI suck balls no matter how fast they are. They're softer and appeal to a broader consumer base instead of enthusiasts, and they're priced where BMWs linger.

[MicaCeli]

The BMW's that are priced in the same range as the EVO/STi have NOTHING on those cars all around accept for luxury.

I realy want to see a new STi in person and sit inside/drive one. I think it might well be a very good car all around.

I also would not mind taking a look at the EVO. I like Ben's car, it feels lighter on its feet then the STi, but they both have their ups and downs.

The only reason that Mei prefers the STi over the Evo is the 5 vs 6 speed trasmissions. She just loves having 6 gears.

[neological]

Evo MRs have 6 gears. Is it worth the extra 3 grand? nope, especially considering 1-4 are the same.

I would like a crack at both the new Evo and STi but I'm not terribly interested in either. I'm more interested in the Ralliart Lancer.

My one sentence reviews of the ver 9 STi and the Evo IX:

STi: "Great low power, you have to shift it every 5 seconds, turbo runs out of breath at the top end, rear comes around a lot, seems really fast at slow speeds, only fast-ish at high speeds."

Evo: "No power whatsoever under 2600rpm, after that it blasts of like the space shuttle to redline, tighter steering, sucks ass at very low speed corners, but again, pulls like crazy to redline."

[marc]

The BMW's that are priced in the same range as the EVO/STi have NOTHING on those cars all around accept for luxury.

I realy want to see a new STi in person and sit inside/drive one. I think it might well be a very good car all around.

I also would not mind taking a look at the EVO. I like Ben's car, it feels lighter on its feet then the STi, but they both have their ups and downs.

The only reason that Mei prefers the STi over the Evo is the 5 vs 6 speed trasmissions. She just loves having 6 gears.


you're telling me the 135i and 335i has NOTHING on those cars ?

I haven't driven a 135i, but the 335i was absolutely sublime - did I hate the car, yes - it did everything so perfectly with absolutely no drama whatsoever - which is why I hated it - but it DID perform spectacularly.

Not to mention with a reflash and exhaust the car puts down 400 hp and runs a 12.4 @ 117 mph

[MicaCeli]

Well I have not driven any of those cars yet, so I cannot personaly comment on how they are.

How much is the 135i?
How much is the 335i?
What do they weigh?
How do they handle?
Can you change the oil yourself? :chuckles:

[neological]

Only BMW technicians have enough training to change BMW oil, which is of course the ultimate oil experience.

[marc]

you can't even access any part of the engine unless you have those special star metric tools

****ing cocksuckers

[Zenith]

you can't even access any part of the engine unless you have those special star metric tools

****ing cocksuckers

Tamper proof star sockets? HA! Order a set or go to an auto parts store that's worth a damn.

Given the sources of these opinions one can only wonder at the validity. Then again, there is some truth to what marc previously said. Since the Evo and STi are so similar performance wise it can only be reasonable to try both and decide for oneself.

I recall the MR transmission being considered weak. To what extent I don't know, however, worth checking out I would think.

It also seems people tend to forget most cars are tuned to understeer from the factory.

Not to mention clarkson is a supremely biased untalented hack now.

[neological]

Not to mention clarkson is a supremely biased untalented hack now.

I agree but I think he's still funny as strictly entertainment.

[Motor]

Subaru may launch third WRX model (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/hatchbacks/subaru-may-launch-third-wrx-model)
The Subaru WRX has always been a favourite of performance enthusiasts. Its combination of giant-killing performance, numerous World Rally titles and a relatively cheap price tag quickly earned it cult status around the world, and it also made it a halo model for the rest of Subaru’s lineup. Today we have two variants of the WRX, the standard model and the high-performance WRX STI, but soon there could be a third model positioned somewhere in between them.

The new STI version is priced higher than the model it replaces, which means the price gap between the flagship model and the regular WRX (whose price didn’t change with the model update) is now greater than ever. This has officials thinking about launching a third mid-spec version. “There is the potential to do that [fill the price gap] and while we have looked at it there’s not going to be one this year,” Subaru Australia exec Nick Senior told Drive. “There is the potential to do one in 2009 and there’s also factory limited editions in the future as well.”

There have been numerous special edition versions of the WRX over the years, the most popular being the ‘Club Spec’ models and the legendary ‘22B’ model. These cars featured several performance mods and were packed with extra features but were only available in limited numbers. Senior hinted at the possibility of a stripped-out track version but wasn’t willing to confirm its existence.
http://km77.com/00/subaru/impreza/gra/036.jpg

[FITGT]

I do not like the WRX so blah to this car!

[silverCELICAgt-s]

looks like a mazda

[shakey1378]

they do that i may buy one. i actually dont mind the styling. as far as im concerned my 2000 2.5rs coupe was the best impreza body by far...

[TrD CeLiCa]

god what is subaru doing! :shrug:

[Dasher17]

I'll take a lancer instead thank you.

[SquareEnix]

Reminds me of the Mazda CX-7

[booyaolian]

lancer for me as well

[Burrcold]

This news makes me want the Ralliart Lancer so much more now. I think it's the only car I'm focused on.

[Red Falcon]

This news makes me want the Ralliart Lancer so much more now. I think it's the only car I'm focused on.
I'll take your G off your hands. :)

[jlitman]

This news makes me want the Ralliart Lancer so much more now. I think it's the only car I'm focused on.

Same here.

Though I'd consider one if was offered as a 2-door (GT-4 rumor aside...)

[bps1804]

I'll take a lancer instead thank you.

lancer for me as well


Agreed. As much as i'm biased towards WRX's, i just have never been a fan of the 5 door hatch. Plus the Evo X has the new STi beat in handling and acceleration, so if that's any indication on the performance of the Ralliart and this, then lancer all the way.

[Gas-n-Grease]

a 22B?... the EJ22 is out dated. We've got EJ25s now. unless they wanna make something like "27B"?
I say they leave the WRX as a mid-spec version (add some tech goodies) and make a stripped down lower class model.

[Red Falcon]

a 22B?... the EJ22 is out dated. We've got EJ25s now. unless they wanna make something like "27B"?
I say they leave the WRX as a mid-spec version (add some tech goodies) and make a stripped down lower class model.
That would be in direct competition with the base impreza, or you can even say that would infact be the base impreza.

[Dasher17]

Speaking of the lancer, saw one on the road the other day for the first time. Someone at my school parked his next to my celica in the 30 min. parking in front of the dorms, I waited for a little while to see if he would come by so I could get a better look at it and ask him how he likes it but still havn't seen him. It's one nice looking car in black.

[GSBoek]

Ha, when I read the title my first thought was: They felt owned by Mistubishi's Ralliart Lancer and this is a response to that. Unfortunately they are still owned.

[Motor]

Subaru may add performance diesel Impreza WRX (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/hatchbacks/subaru-may-add-performance-diesel-impreza-wrx/)
More reports about Subaru planning a high-performance diesel powered Impreza have emerged, the latest claiming the new car could even be called an STI. Subaru recently took the wraps off its new 2.0L horizontally opposed turbodiesel engine, debuting in the Legacy, and the engine is now set to make its way into the Impreza range where it will develop a mild 148hp.

AutoExpress is reporting that a tuned version of this engine with 180hp on tap will be used in a performance Impreza hatch. Torque would also get a boost, up to 400Nm from the standard engine’s 350, and this should see the car accelerate from 0-60mph in about seven seconds and reach a top speed of 140mph. By comparison, the petrol version with 230hp completes the 0-60 sprint in the mid five seconds bracket.

Straight line speed won’t be the car’s main appeal. Buyers would look at its fuel economy and in-gear acceleration. The inherent properties of a diesel combined with small 2.0L capacity engine would mean the performance car could return mpg figures in the high thirties and reduce carbon emissions by about 40% compared to the petrol model. The other added benefit is the fact that the turbocharger is mounted beneath the engine, attached directly to the catalytic converters, reducing the center of gravity and improving dynamics.

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[celicagirl9]

So its the subaru version of the Mazdaspeed3 wgn. but diesel! sweet! my next car is going to be the wrx they are amayzing!!

[marc]

I heard they already have a 2.0L non-turbo diesel making 148 hp and 250 lb-ft of torque as well.

[Motor]

Update!

2011 Subaru WRX: Wider Is Better (http://jalopnik.com/5499609/2011-subaru-wrx-wider-is-better)
The new-for-2011 Subaru Impreza WRX gets a 1.5 inch-wider track in front and the rear, and benefits from firmer rear subframe bushings directly from the STI. It's also got a newer, purdier mouth.

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I would buy that.

[Carbonized_GT]

Nice improvements.

[Gas-n-Grease]

definitely like the wider body.

[ikhaffaji]

Dang that's awesome! I'd totally rock a sedan version of one of those :headbang:

[marc]

looks like its on steroids now.

way too loud for me.

[KAT_Ayanami]

Really? Everybody hates the new Impreza, but you make wider fenders and a busier front bumper and everybody loves it??

Edit: And uglier wheels btw....

[Motor]

Update!

2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Club Spec 10 Announced For Australia, Only 250 To Be Built (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50124/2010-subaru-impreza-wrx-club-spec-10-announced-for-australia-only-250-to-be-built)
BEFORE THE UPDATED wide-body 2011 Impreza WRX joins the local line-up later this year, Subaru Australia has dug into the performance parts bin to create a special limited edition of the current model sedan.

Announced today, only 250 examples of the 2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Club Spec 10 will be built, each with a range of luxury interior features and items from the STI catalogue added to boost its appeal.

An STI front lip features up front, while a flexible strut tower bar has been added under the bonnet for improved cornering ability out of the box. The flexible lower bar and front support kit give the WRX Club Spec 10's sharper steering while reducing chassis flex.

Lightweight 17-inch Enkei alloy wheels feature at each corner, half an inch wider than the regular WRX wheel, bringing increased grip.

Available from May in the sedan body style only, the 2010 Impreza WRX Club Spec 10 can be had in WR Blue, Obsidian Black and Satin White. It is priced at $49,990, drive-away.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2010_subaru_impreza_wrx_club_spec_10_01-4bba94c7ef193-615x350.jpg
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2010_subaru_impreza_wrx_club_spec_10_05-4bba94ca924fd-615x350.jpg

[KAT_Ayanami]

How much is that on USD?

[Motor]

How much is that on USD?

As of today's closing bell: $49,990 AUD = $46,347 USD.

[KAT_Ayanami]

As of today's closing bell: $49,990 AUD = $46,347 USD.

That is what I've got too when converting. But I was referring more to how much would that be when the car arrives since there is no way they can be selling a WRX with STI upgrades more expensive than a STI.

[Motor]

But I was referring more to how much would that be when the car arrives since there is no way they can be selling a WRX with STI upgrades more expensive than a STI.

Got it. I don't know. In fact, it doesn't really matter because it's only for Australia.

[Motor]

Update!

2011 Subaru Impreza WRX - First Drive Review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx-first_drive_review)
Same great WRX, new wider packaging.

Unchanged Heart

Power continues to be more than adequate, with the 2.5-liter turbocharged flat-four making the same 265 hp and 244 lb-ft of torque that it has since its upgrade for 2009. You may recall—if you don’t, we’re going to remind you—that the 2009 WRX was quicker to 60 mph in our testing than the more powerful STI. The WRX should maintain that advantage, since the equipment largely responsible remains the same: a five-speed manual transmission that requires only one shift to reach 60 mph versus the two upshifts needed by the STI’s close-ratio six-speed. We’ve gotten a 4.7-second run out of the WRX and hit 60 in five flat with the STI. We have no reason to expect those times to change given the nature of both cars’ 2011 upgrades.

Aside from the STI, the WRX sees its most direct competition from the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. It is cheaper and quicker than both. Pricing and equipment—excepting the shape and capacity of their hind quarters—are the same for the WRX sedan and hatch, with base models starting at $26,220. Premium versions are $28,720, adding heated front seats and side-view mirrors, a heating element under the windshield wipers, fog lights, a power sunroof, and a sedan-only trunk spoiler. The Limited comes in a grand higher, at $29,720, adding HID headlights and leather seat trim. All 2011 WRXs have as standard Bluetooth, auxiliary, and iPod/USB connectivity. A touch-screen navigation head unit with RCA inputs is an option on Limited and Premium models.

While the changes are mostly only skin-deep, the added width means the WRX can appeal to a wider audience, now capturing those who would have upgraded to the STI based on looks alone. And unless you’re heading to the track or need to get somewhere down a gravel-strewn dirt road in a hurry, that’s one fewer reason to spend the $8500 necessary to upgrade.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/reviews/car/10q3/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx-quick_spin/gallery/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sedan_photo_30/3736509-1-eng-US/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sedan_8_cd_gallery.jpg
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[Motor]

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