Please Help me..

[SassyCelica]

K guys. I am seriously thinking about purchasing the TRD type wing. Is that wing illegal even though it comes stocked on some cars for the action package? And how much is the ticket if I get caught? Has anyone fought this ticket because it comes stock on some cars? Please help.. thanx

[ohmygts]

In my opinion you probaly wont get a ticket unless you go to waikiki. If i were you i would find an ad for the action package and carry it with you so that you could show the officer and say it came with the car. if the wing is deemed illegal, you will get a recon ticket unless you get michel hunt who will give you probaly an additional 8 tickets. Why dont you get your recon permit and have nothing to worry about?

[SassyCelica]

So If I get a recon permit then the wing will be totally legal? How much is recon?

[ohmygts]

well you have to pass recon first. Did you drop you car or do anything to it yet? If you did drop your car your going to have to get you alignment done and if your alignment is off you probally going to have to get a camber kit. You also cant have any clear or altezza lightting on your car. So basically you must turn you car to almost stock and try to get it. IF you do pass the u are legit.

[SassyCelica]

the only thing I have on my car is altezza's..

[ohmygts]

just take them off when you go and get your recon

[skamikaze]

get the action package ad like tony said and carry it in your glove box. also bring it with you to the recon station and hopefully they wont consider it obstruction of view since it comes stock on the option car.

[apexsw20trd]

Originally posted by SassyCelica
K guys. I am seriously thinking about purchasing the TRD type wing. Is that wing illegal even though it comes stocked on some cars for the action package? And how much is the ticket if I get caught? Has anyone fought this ticket because it comes stock on some cars? Please help.. thanx




the trd wing is nice , i had one for my mr2 but i sold it because i didnt want all the trouble from the cops.

the trd wing is illegal eventhough it comes factory on action packages. my friend with a 97 supra with a wing got ticketed for obstruction of view and he fought the ticket but had to pay, eventhough the wing was stock.

now this is the deal with the state....a factory option is regulated by the department of transportation, but trd is a separate entity in toytota that makes aftermarket product for toyota's so trd usa is not regulated by dot.but dot laws does not coincide with hawaii state laws. also hawaii state law says that any obstruction blocking the view of the driver is considered obstruction of view reagarless if its a factory option. that goes for aluminum wings and stock wings. peope dont understand that , sure teh action package had the trd wing on it but hawaii state laws says it all in there rule book, anything object ostructing the view of the driver is considered obstruction of view, so saying "its a factory option will not stand in court".

i have recieved an obstruction of view ticket and i got it dimissed only because the cop never showed. but i do agree with teh cop that my kaminari wing was blocking my view.

the ticket for obstruction of view was $55 in 1998 but now its probably be like $75 or so, recon ticket was like $65 in 1998, but i am not too sure now.


so over all i sold my trd wing because of the headaches. its all up to you.

[QWKsilvr808]

Alex is actually correct... the letter of the law doesn't account for stock OEM spoilers, simply anything that blocks the view out of the rear window can be considered obstruction of view. It's a totally fawked up law. I used to see ppl pile stuffed animals on their rear shelf by the rear window -- totally illegal too. Imagine getting a ticket for a stuffed bunny?

I've been scouring the books for a law that specifically deals with spoilers but as yet I've come up with zero. I thought that all you'd need if you had something obstructing your view would be two side mirrors, but that in fact only applies to trucks and vans of a certain weight.

If a cop really wants to be an ******* he'll stick you with an obstruction of view ticket for your stock spoiler and you'll have to fight it in court and take your chances. Doing what Jay and Tony suggest is a good idea, because most cops don't really want to be *******s, and would obviously be so if you can prove your spoiler is stock.

The way it looks to be written, you should be able to get a ticket for having passengers or cargo in your car just as easily as you could for having a big spoiler on the rear. I swear this stuff has to be reworked to be more specific.

I'll go look it up later and quote it exactly so you can see what I mean.

Recon isn't supposed to be taking a look at your wing or ground effects when they consider whether your car should or shouldn't pass. They're there to check suspension modifications, or actual changes to the OEM body, including fenders, hoods, etc. Cosmetic add ons don't have a place to check off on the recon inspection sheet. As long as they don't extend past the outermost point of the stock fender, bodykit add ons are ok. They also can't be lower than the bottom of your rims. They also have to make sure your car can pass a standard safety inspection, so signals, lights, etc have to all be stock and in working order.

Take your altezzas off before you go, and I'd also wait til you have your rims, drop springs (if you plan on having them), and exhaust so that you can just get it done once and be through with it. Whatever you add on after you get your recon approved is done at your own risk, or if it IS legal, just go to recon and have your spec sheet updated.

At any rate, I think you'll be able to defend yourself from a better standpoint if you're able to claim that the TRD wing is a factory option than I would by begging for mercy about my Cusco wing. I say go for it... but make sure you get the real TRD deal. I see some on ebay and I wouldn't bother with copies.

[skamikaze]

altho there's nothing to check off for spoilers on the recon checklist, plenny people failed recon because the inspectors say it obstructs view.

[QWKsilvr808]

like always it depends on the inspector you have I suppose. ;) I asked questions about bodykits and wings while I was there and the person I talked to explained the rules about not extending past the bottom of the rim. The wing, he said, is not something they look at unless it extends past the width or too far past the rear of the car. Basically cosmetic mods are ok within certain parameters.

Of course, there was the guy who failed Delo for his foglights, and both Wooyun and I had zero problems.

I guess we could sit around all day trying to figure out the real deal on this stuff, and still basically come down to whether or not you'll get a cool inspector. ;)

[SassyCelica]

Now clint you said dont' get a knock off wing. Can they tell if it is a factory wing or a replica? I know this guy who bought a replica wing from someone on the newcelica.org and he said it looks good. I talked to the guy who sells them and he said that its a mold of the real TRD wing. Should I not buy it? Can the cops tell if its a dublicate? And it does have the 3rd brake light. I'm new to this so if you think I shouldn't buy it please let me know . Thanx

[GTS808]

well being that it's a mold of the wing It's already a little smaller than the original product. So the fit won't be as good. Clint just doesn't want you to buy a low quality product.

[QWKsilvr808]

I've seen the real TRD piece in person and can say that without a doubt the quality is outstanding both in fit and finish. A copy of the real thing is still a copy, and even an excellent one such as those sold by TRD-GT(was that it?) cannot duplicate the quality of the original completely.

The action package is very popular, but there are quite a few ppl who have tastes that change and put their original TRD units up for sale. Many times you can find these at bargain prices near what you would pay for the clone copy you're considering. I've also seen that aftermarket LEDs don't hold up as well as OEM issue.

I'd first look to see if you can find someone selling the genuine item, and then resort to a copy wing only if that option fails you. In the long run, it will be more worth the money.

And no, I doubt a cop would even question whether or not it was a copy. ;)