Plan A (FI)out the window, Now Plan B(NA)

[scarface]

Was looking over some prices of the s/c setup, and for the way I wanted to setup was going to cost around $7500 installed and tuned (AEM EMS, + shipping + taxes) on stock motor. And plus I rememer Jlit said he lost a piston around 212 whp. I can afford the $7500 but I can't afford it if this greddy kit breaks or my engine gives out.

So Plan B (less headache than FI...hopefully)

If a guy does valves, retainers and springs, 440cc injectors, stage3 cam, can u rev past 9000 rpms safely on a stock bottom end?? Whats the limit before u bend or break valves??

Is it even possible to go 9000 rpm or more with an auto. Wont the auto just shift as per usual b/c the pfc can't control the shift points if its wired in parallel? I guess same would go for the AEM EMS.

But In M-Mode u could prolly ride out the gears to higher rpm?

I got a good budget now ($7000). Please don't tell me to sell. I love this car. If you had a retarded son you'd still love it too right?

So might be the first one to do the DD IM, tundra Tb combo, on a auto. Tuned either with AEM EMS or PFC. (By the time I pay for boosteds P+P harness + dataloggit, pfc +commander im thinking aem ems may be the way to go) But a good pfc basemap and lots of peeps that can help out go a lon way too.

I can't remember but if u go 3" cai, do u need bigger than 440cc injectors(meaning bigger fuel pump)?

What year tb off the tundra do I need, might be time to go get one at the wreckers.

[edg3h_91]

gt or gts?

[scarface]

2003 gts auto (DBW).

Oh almost forgot, Im guessing the stock oil pumps prolly not up to the task at those rpms either. So is an oil pump gear upgrade good enough??

[broderp]

Please don't tell me to sell. I love this car. If you had a retarded son you'd still love it too right?


LOL!!! I love this. I'm with you 100% scarface, I hate all the "Sell your car and get a 6 speed" crap every time one of us posts a question about making our cars faster.

From the looks of it, most manuals have been modded and driven into the ground and I would personally be afraid to buy one, and inherit someone elses problems.

I love my car too, even if it is retarded...:gap:

[v3bahumut]

You have 7k saved and think your going to need more for FI?

[marc]

You're going to spend more money than you would with FI, and make less power.

[CRBCelica]

7k? you can find a 6spd!

[scarface]

Glad u liked that comment haha

For
F/I
Lets see
Greddy s/c $3095 + shipping + gst
AEM EMS $1895 +shipping + gst (I don't want to deal with the emu issues)
weather around these parts fluctuates sometimes as much as 20 degrees in a day.

AEM wideband $200
5-10hrs installation at $100 hr shop rate
est 5hrs dyno time at $150 hr rate
Ohh wait almost forgot, boost gauge, oil pressure guage, water temp gauge
lets see what else, greddy brackets aren't exactly known for the best quality, somethins prolly goong to break.
going to want to upgrade oil pump,
a/t trans cooler
oil cooler
And then after all that might be making around 200whp. Stock motor. Jlit lost a piston at 212.

I know I know u need to raise compression to really get the most out of N/A mods, but frankly if I could afford to sleeve the block and go 12.3:1 compression belive me I would.

But if u guys could lend a guy a hand, share some info, advice, tips for those above questions it be most appreciated. I want to start placing a parts order in the next week here.

[yakboyslim]

I think automatic is going to see even less benefit from an N/A treatment than a manual would. I'm not saying get a manual (though you should, my mom just bought a stick shift because, and I paraphrase, "I don't need a minivan or anything that reminds me of it")

I am saying you should go FI, you will be able to use the power you make more effectively that way. You will see more hp/$ FI and way more oomph/$ with FI as well. At least I would think.

[Robo56]

If you got 7 grand, then why not do the c60 conversion? That way you can still keep you car you love. Then you can take the rest and do a nice N/A build and get way better results.

[.2002SilverGT]

Because the c60 is now notoriously known for breaking under boosted applications. Im pretty sure the auto can handle the power way better. The power lost in the drive train is ****ty though.

[Robo56]

Well then do the E153 Conversion if he wants to go F/I. And he said he wanted to go N/A so the c60 would be good for a build like that.

[marc]

seriously, I'm not going to call you stupid, but I will say you're not smart for spending all this money to make less power than a stock Camry.

My suggestion - if you want a faster car, sell the Celica, take that cash with the cash you have saved up and get something that can get out of its own way.

[scarface]

xle puts out what 179hp, w 6spd manaul, prolly weights considerably more than the celica.

Not saying im going to drop 7grand on n/a mods. Prolly just do cams, valves, retainers, injectors, and some tuning. The big dollars come in when u splurge for the dd IM, and tundra tb.

Plan C is a black 2005 Infiniti g35 6mt. with 47,000kms, 1000ibs heavier than the celica, but
10.3 :1 comp, 298 hp, 260 IB ft. 7000 rpm redline. runs on min 91 octance, bye bye gas mileage :( Hello rwd :)

Then later on g35 needs borla stainless headers, greddy twin evoIIs out the rear. Seeing about potential trades as i write this.

[marc]

Plan C

[scarface]

I hear ya. The realisation hit me today like a brick to the head. The cost to mod a celica and get good hp out of it is nutts. Then the reliabilty issues come in (risking the pistons, piston rings when boosting a high comp motor) The second realisation hit me, the auto gts with my bolt ons is a great dd. (I have two sets of rims so going to get winter tires for my factory rims, and get some 7m coating done on her). Trade in value sucks, so not going to do up a g35, or cts-v found (one for 26,000 with 36,000 miles on her). That car is gangsta!

Instead, plan d is now in effect. Going to take 5-7gs and find myself a project car. Something thats already turbod. Thinking a rhd 1jz supra tt, or soarer, A levan style corolla would be coo too. Going to see what I can scrounge up. Marc man u all right they call u the cynic, your just the realist.

[ahfunaki]

And plus I rememer Jlit said he lost a piston around 212 whp.

I'm pretty sure almost everyone with a SC is running close to or more than 212hp, so we're all screwed if this is where things start going wrong...

[roaf85]

xle puts out what 179hp, w 6spd manaul, prolly weights considerably more than the celica.

Not saying im going to drop 7grand on n/a mods. Prolly just do cams, valves, retainers, injectors, and some tuning. The big dollars come in when u splurge for the dd IM, and tundra tb.

Plan C is a black 2005 Infiniti g35 6mt. with 47,000kms, 1000ibs heavier than the celica, but
10.3 :1 comp, 298 hp, 260 IB ft. 7000 rpm redline. runs on min 91 octance, bye bye gas mileage :( Hello rwd :)

Then later on g35 needs borla stainless headers, greddy twin evoIIs out the rear. Seeing about potential trades as i write this.

Sell the Celica for around 5,000. Take your 13,000 combined, walk into a Ford dealership in 2 months. Walk away with a Mustang V6 for around 22,000 out the door and finance the rest.

Then enjoy every mod making around 10-15 whp.

[roaf85]

I hear ya. The realisation hit me today like a brick to the head. The cost to mod a celica and get good hp out of it is nutts. Then the reliabilty issues come in (risking the pistons, piston rings when boosting a high comp motor) The second realisation hit me, the auto gts with my bolt ons is a great dd. (I have two sets of rims so going to get winter tires for my factory rims, and get some 7m coating done on her). Trade in value sucks, so not going to do up a g35, or cts-v found (one for 26,000 with 36,000 miles on her). That car is gangsta!

Instead, plan d is now in effect. Going to take 5-7gs and find myself a project car. Something thats already turbod. Thinking a rhd 1jz supra tt, or soarer, A levan style corolla would be coo too. Going to see what I can scrounge up. Marc man u all right they call u the cynic, your just the realist.

A 20 year old turbo charged car is ****ing stupid. Look at a sweet V6/V8. If you are buying used I would look at an older GTO.

[scarface]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone with a SC is running close to or more than 212hp, so we're all screwed if this is where things start going wrong...

Ughh thats u guys with 6spds. Look at how much u need at the crank for an auto to put down 212 whp. Do the math.

V6 mustang?? haha. But.. An old foxy body would be cool.

Id like to find a corolla with 4age motor with itbs. Or maybe find something with a nasty n/a 1uzfe. Theres tons of different routes to go. But no matter what im keeping the celi. Still got much love for the celicas handling.

[many]

Get a MR-S from the states and start working on it's potential if you like the Toyota Brand so much!
NA is expensive!

[00 LSM GTS]

Would you do a 6spd conversion on your car?

[l21l]

I hear ya. The realisation hit me today like a brick to the head. The cost to mod a celica and get good hp out of it is nutts. Then the reliabilty issues come in (risking the pistons, piston rings when boosting a high comp motor) The second realisation hit me, the auto gts with my bolt ons is a great dd. (I have two sets of rims so going to get winter tires for my factory rims, and get some 7m coating done on her). Trade in value sucks, so not going to do up a g35, or cts-v found (one for 26,000 with 36,000 miles on her). That car is gangsta!

Instead, plan d is now in effect. Going to take 5-7gs and find myself a project car. Something thats already turbod. Thinking a rhd 1jz supra tt, or soarer, A levan style corolla would be coo too. Going to see what I can scrounge up. Marc man u all right they call u the cynic, your just the realist.

so you finally realized you have a retarded son and need to get rid of it to get something better. lols just kidding. i think you should get a mk-iv 2jz supra tt. i believe its already 290-310 at the crank rwd. one hott car and the block is notoriously strong for f/i.

[marc]

for most of my car owning career I've always had a nice fuel efficient daily driver (Civic/Miata/AW11 MR-2) and then a crazy fun project car.

[roaf85]

Buying a 5-7 car that is turboed and close to 15 years old is like asking a toddler to play "Cowboys and Indians" with glocks.

V6 mustang?? haha. But.. An old foxy body would be cool.

I was referring to the new 2011 V6 Mustangs that put down close to 300 whp and about 330 at the crank. Again probably a bit out of your price range.

Get the GTO.

[ajh1717]

I agree with roaf and look for a gto. They have nice engines and you can get some serious HP out of them with mods.

And it actually can have some torque, unlike the celica

[marc]

love the GTO except its a GM and I am currently punishing them for stealing from me (and all of you) by refusing to purchase any of their products, new or used.

[roaf85]

love the GTO except its a GM and I am currently punishing them for stealing from me (and all of you) by refusing to purchase any of their products, new or used.

Same here. Could get an old Mustang 5.0. Otherwise I am not purchasing a GM, anyone else can though. Fine with me.

Homeowners should be punished as well.

[JameX]

What? Are you talking about a greddy supercharger? Look for deals here, sometimes you can grab one with low miles and very good conditions. Heck, I got mine for $1600 here. Installed and tuned (with all the extras: gauges, brackets etc) at the end didn't run me more than $3k


Was looking over some prices of the s/c setup, and for the way I wanted to setup was going to cost around $7500 installed and tuned (AEM EMS, + shipping + taxes) on stock motor. And plus I rememer Jlit said he lost a piston around 212 whp. I can afford the $7500 but I can't afford it if this greddy kit breaks or my engine gives out.

So Plan B (less headache than FI...hopefully)

If a guy does valves, retainers and springs, 440cc injectors, stage3 cam, can u rev past 9000 rpms safely on a stock bottom end?? Whats the limit before u bend or break valves??

Is it even possible to go 9000 rpm or more with an auto. Wont the auto just shift as per usual b/c the pfc can't control the shift points if its wired in parallel? I guess same would go for the AEM EMS.

But In M-Mode u could prolly ride out the gears to higher rpm?

I got a good budget now ($7000). Please don't tell me to sell. I love this car. If you had a retarded son you'd still love it too right?

So might be the first one to do the DD IM, tundra Tb combo, on a auto. Tuned either with AEM EMS or PFC. (By the time I pay for boosteds P+P harness + dataloggit, pfc +commander im thinking aem ems may be the way to go) But a good pfc basemap and lots of peeps that can help out go a lon way too.

I can't remember but if u go 3" cai, do u need bigger than 440cc injectors(meaning bigger fuel pump)?

What year tb off the tundra do I need, might be time to go get one at the wreckers.

[reguile]

So you'll have around 22k if you sell your car?
Why not get a c5 Corvette, or c6 if you want to make monthly payments?
That or an 98-02 camaro and mod that out? You can make those handle well w/ enough work lol.

Or if you like imports, I would say get a 350z but they have little potential in the NA regions *I believe.*
Or an RX8 and turbo it? Heard you can get plenty from it. Though they are slow stock.
What about the turbo'ed i4 hyundai genesis if you want boost? Not sure if they came out yet, I'm a bit behind w/ release dates on the newer vehicles.
GTO's are nice too, not really my thing though.
240 w/ srdet swap?
MR-2 are nice too, the old ones.
G35?
Bike?

22k is alot of money if you sold your celica.
I also got a letter from toyota saying they want an 03 celica and will let me trade it in for any 08-10 vehicles w/ a generous trade in value, this is coming from the dealers though and I know they know nothing about being generous.

Hm maybe get boosted's IM / 3''cai / 440 fuel injectors / pfc / lower lift engagement/q45 tb then a tune and call it a day?

[GSBoek]

Save up, commute around in the Celica and in two years buy a FT-86.

[scarface]

Keeping celi as dd and getting a JDM project car. Or possibly a decent 5.0. A gto will be out of my price range. Potential rides, jza70, 180sx, sylvia, levan corolla, or perhaps a skyline. celisor(widebody), aristo(widebody). Drifting in a 4door :)

I agree a jza80 would be tits. or 89 gts-t type m couple skyline with rb25dett swap single gt30r turbo, with mines 300zx tt ecu and q45 tb....Yea corvettes suck! Either way can't afford it.

[GSBoek]

celisor(widebody),Please no. A LS400 will never look good doing anything but cruising around... much worse drifting. Oh BTW, it's Celsior.

[marc]

What about an SC300 ?

they're cheap as hell, gorgeous, and love boost.

[JameX]

Save up, commute around in the Celica and in two years buy a FT-86.

Damn, I forgot about it! Gotta start saving too haha. Hopefully will have a turbo flavored one out of the factory...

[GSBoek]

Don't hold your breath, aparently it's not going to get the boxer engine anymore, as off news today.

[scarface]

What about an SC300 ?

they're cheap as hell, gorgeous, and love boost.

lexus sc300 is n/a v8, the toyota soarer is the 2jz. Did the lexus have 2jz motor as an option??

I got an open mind, and eventually i'll find something at the right price.

[marc]

lexus sc300 is n/a v8, the toyota soarer is the 2jz. Did the lexus have 2jz motor as an option??

I got an open mind, and eventually i'll find something at the right price.

sc300 is a 2jz-ge, its good for 500 hp or so with a turbo.
sc400 is the v8