Twin Charging? (Debate)

[crystalalien87]

ok i read a few threads regarding it and wanted to know the benefits to it. saying i was to install the greddy sc and tk.com tc kit?

taking money out the picture and how cool it would look to have it installed :droll:

how hard would it be to tune both the units?
would both be able to fit without major mods? (moving stuff around)
what would each unit benifit from the other?

[ajh1717]

Can you even run a supercharger and turbo on one engine? I know you can do twin turbos but one of each? ??

[keebler197]

Ronin has done it on a lotus

[crystalalien87]

Can you even run a supercharger and turbo on one engine? I know you can do twin turbos but one of each? ??

ummm yeah? there is a guy here in colorado in a mustang who has a turbo,supercharger and nitrous

Ronin has done it on a lotus

yea i saw that...but i wanna see a celica

[edg3h_91]

There is even a car that came from factory with both turbo and supercharger. Nissan Macrh Micra.. yes its possible..

[Gtsjeg04]

You gotta think about the heat it will make too. I dont see a turbo to intercooler to supercharger setup being very effceint. you would have to do a turbo to supercharger to intercooler to keep the AITs down enough to make any decent power. Other than that it wouldnt be to hard to do at all.

[Allance 48]

go to my profile n see my pic !!! i just done twin charger project on my car

[GoatOfRafin]

You gotta think about the heat it will make too. I dont see a turbo to intercooler to supercharger setup being very effceint. you would have to do a turbo to supercharger to intercooler to keep the AITs down enough to make any decent power. Other than that it wouldnt be to hard to do at all.

This is how Ronin did it, right? My question is, how does the supercharger behave when being fed with super hot air from the turbocharger? Do the rotors take the extra heat, or do they gradually wear off and fail? If so, what can be done about it?

[CELICA581]

go to my profile n see my pic !!! i just done twin charger project on my car

what number are you putting down

[Entranced]

doesn't seem that worth it to do it in a celica. yes, ronin did it on his car, and Smaay is in the process of doing it as well, but they both designed their kits and have a large hand into it. There's a lot of custom fabrication that needs to be done to have this work properly. Either way, how much power are you looking to get out of it? Ronin's car is RWD and can handle the power it puts down with his wide ass tires. A celica would be alot harder to control if your looking to put down alot of power. Either way, get an oversized GT30R or something similar that spools relatively quickly but still will get you alot of power. the difference between having 400whp and 600 whp is traction. if you cant hold 400whp, there's no need to go dual charger, bigger turbo, and get more hp for the same wheel spin. :blah:


do it if you can afford your car to have alot of downtime, if not, stick with a properly sized turbo!

[Boosted2.0]

If you are going to try and twincharge a celica with off the shelf kits the Blitz makes a lot more sense.

[many]

go to my profile n see my pic !!! i just done twin charger project on my car

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Image0064.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Image0093.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/10022010096.jpg
Nice work man!

[Mtl_GT]

There is even a car that came from factory with both turbo and supercharger. Nissan Macrh Micra.. yes its possible..

You forgot the Lancias... It even got banned from WRC for being to dangerous i think...And that's a nice setup Allance! How much HP and torque?

[evilthorne]

VW is doing it as well.

You really should intercool after the supercharger. That is how Ronin is doing it on his set up.

[crystalalien87]

couldn't you just run a bigger intercooler?

[JameX]

couldn't you just run a bigger intercooler?

If it isn't after the supercharger, he will still have hot air from the supercharger. Congrats from even trying. Would like to see how it goes, makes me wonder... cool, presurized air coming from the turbo, but then, entering the greddy s/c, at the end its still going to warm up the air entering the engine.

Maybe look at hombre's/Justin's newly designed greddy supercharger intercooler/manifold?

[GoatOfRafin]

So guys, what about the hot air entering the supercharger from the turbo? Doesn't that really affect the longevity of the supercharger?

[Allance 48]

i just setup low boost form turbo, n the hot air come from turbo is cooler by intercooler already!so...dunt worry about it!!

[Boosted2.0]

compressing air heats it. Compressing air at higher pressures heats it more. You need to intercool between ALL F/I devices and the engine. If using the Greddy unmodified like that I would REALLY advise water & methanol injection at the very least.

Coulnt you just get the tripoint kit, or a rotrex or something?

[Zettie]

This is how the 1.4 TSi Volkswagen engine is fed. (1.4 litres - 170hp)

http://www.cubiccapacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/volkswagen-14-tsi-twincharger-450x408.jpg

[tim002]

Hello

Looks to me that Volkswagen system brings les heat in the intake system then when you do it the other way around “Turbo true compressor “.
You can also switch the compressor off what saves power, unlike some other systems.

[szuti]

I have a TTE supercharged 2zzge corolla and i'd like to put a turbo also on the car.Could you give me a few advices about that?Build the engine or not and what about with the transmission?

[Smaay]

I have a TTE supercharged 2zzge corolla and i'd like to put a turbo also on the car.Could you give me a few advices about that?Build the engine or not and what about with the transmission?

best advise, dont do it. unless you want to spend about 10 grand. you need up build your engine to support it, fuel mods, exhaust mods, etc.

[jin602_05]

best advise, dont do it. unless you want to spend about 10 grand. you need up build your engine to support it, fuel mods, exhaust mods, etc.


Advise from the pro! just stick with a single FI. turbo/or supercharger. :)

[szuti]

best advise, dont do it. unless you want to spend about 10 grand. you need up build your engine to support it, fuel mods, exhaust mods, etc.

ok,i understand,but sorry i'm crazy enough to do that:-)

So now my setup is TTe supercharger with smaller pulley and e-manage ultimate,with FMIC.I have ppe header and exhaust system also.So i need a stroker kit first and after try to install turbo.


My friend talked about you Smaay you made 3sgte tranny with 2zzge:-)))

Could you tell me secret about this?Cause i always use my car at track days and i always have problem with my transmission.

Belive i use my car very hard so if you can help me i could pay You a drink:-)))

[the ronin]

Smaay didn't make anything..duhhh he just bolts on parts..jeezzzz you'd think he had an original idea..:eek:

[xantonin]

Isn't the only point of a dual set up with a super charger to offer better performance in lower RPMs? A super charger offers power right from start, but a turbo needs to spool up and exhaust more gas to get increased power.

I can't see adding in both devices as amplifying each other's power...

[szuti]

Smaay didn't make anything..duhhh he just bolts on parts..jeezzzz you'd think he had an original idea..:eek:

Ok,but you have that setuop what i need!Supercharger and turbocharger also.
Show me secrets how can i do something like yours with only 300Hp in 2zzge corolla:-))

[the ronin]

There is no need for a compound setup if your target HP is only 300. It would be a waste of time and money....
Just add a proper turbo and drive the snot out of it.....GT 28R would spool up just right and give you room to grow...
If you track your car you will never be below 4,000 rpm so there is no lag to worry about....Lower your lift point to 4,600 rpm and you'll be fine.

[the ronin]

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Image0064.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Image0093.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/medium/10022010096.jpg
Nice work man!What the fuccck is this setup ?
You're blowin into the supercharger after the intercooler are you nuts...[I'm being kind]. The supercharger will put out over 260 degree air temps on a 80*f ambient day at 9 psi. add boost before and who knows what the hell is goin in....:AF:

This is compound stupid, what you get is a fuccckin retard setup...

[szuti]

There is no need for a compound setup if your target HP is only 300. It would be a waste of time and money....
Just add a proper turbo and drive the snot out of it.....GT 28R would spool up just right and give you room to grow...
If you track your car you will never be below 4,000 rpm so there is no lag to worry about....Lower your lift point to 4,600 rpm and you'll be fine.

Now my lift point is 4800 about the supercharger.where do i need to put the chargecooler?Do you have some pictures about it?I see after the supercharger need the chargecooler,cause of the heat not good for the turbo.

[the ronin]

I have posted everything I've done on www.monkeytuner.com all photos are there... For just a SC I would have the lift point at 4,600 rpm so that you can take advantage of the mid range torque....

[szuti]

I'll Check.Thank you!

[Boosted2.0]

ok,i understand,but sorry i'm crazy enough to do that:-)

So now my setup is TTe supercharger with smaller pulley and e-manage ultimate,with FMIC.I have ppe header and exhaust system also.So i need a stroker kit first and after try to install turbo.


My friend talked about you Smaay you made 3sgte tranny with 2zzge:-)))

Could you tell me secret about this?Cause i always use my car at track days and i always have problem with my transmission.

Belive i use my car very hard so if you can help me i could pay You a drink:-)))

The TTE system is similar to the blitz system right? (Air exits S/C goes to intercooler and then to intake)

If that is the case you can just add a turbo and have it blow directly to the supercharger inlet. You may just need to upsize the intercooler slightly. You will also need a standalone, return system, fuel pump, injectors, and Mahle pistons at the least.

[Allance 48]

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[Allance 48]

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[Illusive]

Looks like someone needs to get used to ronnins critcism. Just ignore the brash comments and cursing. He was trying to say the routing on your set up could use some work. 1200* intake temps pre sc that's nuts!

[szuti]

The TTE system is similar to the blitz system right? (Air exits S/C goes to intercooler and then to intake)

If that is the case you can just add a turbo and have it blow directly to the supercharger inlet. You may just need to upsize the intercooler slightly. You will also need a standalone, return system, fuel pump, injectors, and Mahle pistons at the least.


TTe is the same like blitz without intercooler and e-manage ultimate.

I have intercooler and e-manage ultimate and smaller pulley for give more boost for the supercharger,but that's not enough for me.I can adjust the boost olnly with a smaller pulley.Maybe i need pistons or stroker kit.I think 2.L stroked engine gives more 20HP with my setup right?