Considering purchasing a Celica

[Ryan JD]

Hi there, I've sold my previous car and am looking for a replacement.
I've found a 2000 Celica GT, 5 spd. It looks very nice and has 114k miles on it.
The guy wants $4,100 for it. I offered him $3,800 but haven't gotten a response yet. Do you guys think it's worth it? Should I even get a Celica that isn't a GTS? Your input is appreciated.

Thanks.

[n2oVVTL-i]

The only way I would do that is if you plan on driving it to the grocery store and home. Give it a week after you purchase it and you'll be wishing you had a GTS.
I have ridden in a few GTs and I drive a GTS daily and there is a large top end power difference. There isn't a large after market to choose from in regards to Celicas so making it go fast will cost you a lot more with a GT. Don't handicap yourself from the start.

[GSBoek]

As long as you understand that it's gonna be a bit slower than the GT-S you'll be fine. These cars require some money thrown at them to move decently quick but they otherwise work well as fun runabouts.

Welcome to the boards.

[krazieboy]

also know that the 00-02 gt's have oil consumption problems. do some research.

[03 Celica Gts]

count me as a "no dont buy"

reason:

1. GT no go
2. GTS own
3. If you buy a gt you will regret later

but hey its your car, and some people do go for gt then gts, but if you want gt go for an auto lol.

[03GTSTRD]

Hi there, I've sold my previous car and am looking for a replacement.
I've found a 2000 Celica GT, 5 spd. It looks very nice and has 114k miles on it.
The guy wants $4,100 for it. I offered him $3,800 but haven't gotten a response yet. Do you guys think it's worth it? Should I even get a Celica that isn't a GTS? Your input is appreciated.

Thanks.

What are your intentions for the car? If you are just looking for a decent daily driver with a few bolt ons or a car that you plan to heavily modify? If you are wanting a decent daily driver get the GT. It is cheaper on insurance and gas. It can also be modified to handle just as well as the GT-S and that is the Celicas main strength anyways.

If you are wanting to build/race your car get a GT-S 6 speed. Good luck!

[boothten]

If you are wanting a decent daily driver get the GT. It is cheaper on insurance and gas. It can also be modified to handle just as well as the GT-S and that is the Celicas main strength anyways.

If you are wanting to build/race your car get a GT-S 6 speed. Good luck!
:werd:

[Skooter]

All I'll say is I've test driven an automatic GT and a manual GT-S and personally, it's a world of difference... I can see myself getting bored and dull with a GT, my GT-S 6 speed never ceases to entertain me.

I held out for several months to find a decent GT-S for sale, and it was well worth the wait.

[n2oVVTL-i]

What are your intentions for the car? If you are just looking for a decent daily driver with a few bolt ons or a car that you plan to heavily modify? If you are wanting a decent daily driver get the GT. It is cheaper on insurance and gas. It can also be modified to handle just as well as the GT-S and that is the Celicas main strength anyways.

If you are wanting to build/race your car get a GT-S 6 speed. Good luck!

A GTS is faster and will be able to accelerate out of turns faster. It's way more fun than a GT. Either get that 5sp GT or hold out for a 6sp GTS. DON'T get an automatic GTS because this 5sp GT would walk all over it.

[Fingjosh]

get the gts.

[03GTSTRD]

A GTS is faster and will be able to accelerate out of turns faster. It's way more fun than a GT. Either get that 5sp GT or hold out for a 6sp GTS. DON'T get an automatic GTS because this 5sp GT would walk all over it.

Sure as GT-S is faster but on a mountain run or autox it would make no difference that the GT-S has more HP. You are not in lift during turns and the GT makes basically the same amount of torque and power as the GT-S does before lift. While I agree the GT-S is more fun a GT can still handle just as well if modified equally. I own a GT-S but have driven a GT on mountain runs as well so I have personal experience with both cars.

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

Sure as GT-S is faster but on a mountain run or autox it would make no difference that the GT-S has more HP. You are not in lift during turns and the GT makes basically the same amount of torque and power as the GT-S does before lift. While I agree the GT-S is more fun a GT can still handle just as well if modified equally. I own a GT-S but have driven a GT on mountain runs as well so I have personal experience with both cars.

Why arent you in lift in turns? The celica doesnt have traction breaking power. I hit lift through sweeping turns all the time. You definitely wont be in lift as often nor on every turn, yes. But that doesnt mean it will be a tie.

[n2oVVTL-i]

Sure as GT-S is faster but on a mountain run or autox it would make no difference that the GT-S has more HP. 1 You are not in lift during turns and 2 the GT makes basically the same amount of torque and power as the GT-S does before lift. While I agree the GT-S is more fun a GT can still handle just as well if modified equally. I own a GT-S but have driven a GT on mountain runs as well so I have personal experience with both cars.

1: I am! Why aren't you?

2: The GT has more low end grunt than the GTS

[edg3h_91]

What are your intentions for the car? If you are just looking for a decent daily driver with a few bolt ons or a car that you plan to heavily modify? If you are wanting a decent daily driver get the GT. It is cheaper on insurance and gas. It can also be modified to handle just as well as the GT-S and that is the Celicas main strength anyways.

If you are wanting to build/race your car get a GT-S 6 speed. Good luck!
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if you have the option go for the gts 6 speed.. they are both capable in turns which is where the celica shines... but if you want to go fast then don't consider the celica.. gt or gts none have the support aftermarket wise to go fast..

[ateens4]

the only reason to get a GT is if your a teenage girl





seriously if you're not into modding,racing,or having the pride of owning a GT-S then get a GT. no problem with that

[03GTSTRD]

Why arent you in lift in turns? The celica doesnt have traction breaking power. I hit lift through sweeping turns all the time. You definitely wont be in lift as often nor on every turn, yes. But that doesnt mean it will be a tie.

Through sweeping turns sure but I was talking about hair pin corners and tight mounatain corners. All in all I do agree the GT-S is a better car which is why I bought one over the GT.

1: I am! Why aren't you?



I am sure you are.;)
if you have the option go for the gts 6 speed.. they are both capable in turns which is where the celica shines... but if you want to go fast then don't consider the celica.. gt or gts none have the support aftermarket wise to go fast..

:werd: not without breaking the bank anyways.

[krazieboy]

the only reason to get a GT is if your a teenage girl





seriously if you're not into modding,racing,or having the pride of owning a GT-S then get a GT. no problem with that

if ur into power, speed, racing.... get another car.

[RomanTaylor]

I have GT and I love it. Of course it's slow and all, but it's perfect daily driver. If I wanted fast car, Celica (GT or GT-S doesn't matter, both are slow) wouldn't even be on my list at all. My wallet is very happy about gas consumption rates of GT :).

[Hayvan]

^^^^

Same here, GT owner and proud of it :).
The GT-S might be faster indeed but it isn't all about speed now is it?
As mentioned before, I've been able to keep up with GT-S's mainly thanks to the "lift lag".

[n2oVVTL-i]

@RYANJD

Well I guess you got some good information here on your first post. The GTS drivers defend their GTS's and the same with the GT's. I think it's safe to say "to each his own". Take your potential GT out for a test drive and decide for yourself I guess. Good luck to you in purchasing a Celica.

[Steve3212]

the only reason to get a GT is if your a teenage girl





seriously if you're not into modding,racing,or having the pride of owning a GT-S then get a GT. no problem with that

X2,

thankfully I'm a teenage girl that is not into modding, racing, or having the pride of owning a GT-S like the rest of the GT owners on this forum.

[swhitey917]

I own a GT also and think it is a great daily driver. You can drive it balls out and it still gets excellent gas millage. Not the fastest car out there but still fun to drive. Just dont get an auto. GT 5spd or GTS 6spd are the only way to go.

[GSBoek]

2: The GT has more low end grunt than the GTS No it doesn't. Go check a few dynos, they are exactly the same below 4000 rpm (low end). The GT has a 2-4 wtq advantage between 4-6K rpm, above that the GT-S handily beats it.

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

No it doesn't. Go check a few dynos, they are exactly the same below 4000 rpm (low end). The GT has a 2-4 wtq advantage between 4-6K rpm, above that the GT-S handily beats it.

But I believe the GT will reach it sooner. Either way, thats a silly point to argue. If you dont start the car, it will always lose. Get what I mean?

[GSBoek]

Correct, the GT reaches peak in the midrange, GT-S reaches peak in the toprange. Anything other than those two they are dead even.

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

I am just saying it doesnt change much. The GTS has a clear power advantage.

[n2oVVTL-i]

No it doesn't. Go check a few dynos, they are exactly the same below 4000 rpm (low end). The GT has a 2-4 wtq advantage between 4-6K rpm, above that the GT-S handily beats it.

I'm not speaking from a paper perspective. I'm saying that I have lined my GTS up against my buddy's GT on an ideal back road MORE than once while they were both stock to see the difference. His 5 speed GT slightly pulled on me until I hit lift.

When I speak of low end power on the Celica I'm denoting all of the rpms below 6000. In a my V-8, I can feel the midrange power. When I drive the Celica, it's either slow or less slow and I really don't feel an in between. I'm either in lift or I'm not. There's such a small range of hp that is granted to the wheels in pre-6000 rpm it is really hard to distinguish.

I understand this is a generalization based off of the same two cars. I'm not trying to be a d!ck, but will you send me a link to those dyno sheets. I like to check things out for myself and I couldn't find them. You have to understand my reasoning here. I have seen this happen on the road. I apologize for any misleading information I put on here.

[GSBoek]

When you talk about low end it's the rev range used in normal driving and acceleration. That rev range is 4000 rpm and below.

When we had this discussion a couple of years back I took the time to go through the dyno sheets available in the dyno database menu and made a thorough comparison of stock and similarly modded GT and GT-S. I have most saved on my home computer but I honestly don't feel like going through all that again.

The reason why the GT pulls away initially is because of the midrange torque advantage it has, not because of the low end. It hits peak sooner but then the GT-S catches up and passes in lift. If both cars are launched properly however the GT never jumps ahead.

Here's a couple of GT dynos, check out where the torque comes on en check the numbers:
http://dyno.newcelica.org/driffkntroll/dyno.jpg
http://dyno.newcelica.org/daksgt/dyno1.jpg


Compare now to similar GT-S dynos:
http://dyno.newcelica.org/keyshawn/dyno1.jpg
http://dyno.newcelica.org/officemonkey/dynorun.jpg

[n2oVVTL-i]

Thanks for the info

[hulkster]

Hi there, I've sold my previous car and am looking for a replacement.
I've found a 2000 Celica GT, 5 spd. It looks very nice and has 114k miles on it.
The guy wants $4,100 for it. I offered him $3,800 but haven't gotten a response yet. Do you guys think it's worth it? Should I even get a Celica that isn't a GTS? Your input is appreciated.

Thanks.

for under 4 grand, a pretty good deal although the oil issue with those years can be problematic.the whole gt and gts debate to me only comes in to play if you have a choice at the time with the both of them with near equal prices. but neither are anything special.

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

I'm not speaking from a paper perspective. I'm saying that I have lined my GTS up against my buddy's GT on an ideal back road MORE than once while they were both stock to see the difference. His 5 speed GT slightly pulled on me until I hit lift.
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So he pulls on you for like, 2 seconds? If a Viper only shifted at 2000 RPM, I would win. That is a senseless argument. What GS is saying is that the difference is negligible. Who cares? When speaking torque, we are all speaking naively.

[00toyogts]

pardon me for going a bit off topic and maybe irrelevant or not but looking at the above charts for the GTS i remembered hearing someone talk about there being a "drop" before lift kicks in...can anyone explain this? is that the drop before 6K on the charts?

[Speck102]

Don't listen to these wackos telling you that you must get a GT-S. First, ask yourself this question; how often do you plan on being above 6k RPM?

For most people, not too often, and unless you find a killer deal on a GT-S, not worth the premium it will cost you over a GT.

The rear disc brakes and suede seats are not worth the price difference for most people either. Of course if you have the cash, go turbo or supercharged 2zz.

[elbaldwino]

Don't listen to these wackos telling you that you must get a GT-S. First, ask yourself this question; how often do you plan on being above 6k RPM?

For most people, not too often, and unless you find a killer deal on a GT-S, not worth the premium it will cost you over a GT.

The rear disc brakes and suede seats are not worth the price difference for most people either. Of course if you have the cash, go turbo or supercharged 2zz.

This. And you can always do a brake swap on a gt....you have to look at your driving style your budget and what you want. Everybody on this forum loves their car for their own reasons....you have to make your own reasons and then buy YOUR car :)

[hulkster]

Don't listen to these wackos telling you that you must get a GT-S.


true. but i wouldnt just settle for a gt right off the bat unless you need a car right away and the deal is very good.both the gt and gts go for the same price for the most part. ive yet to notice much difference at all between prices when they are dealer sold or private.the mileage and condition of the car pretty much dictates that.so everything being equal you pick the gts. why not get that extra power even if it it isnt much and wont be used 90% of the time. after all you really arent paying any extra for the gts. its more about patience then anything else.and the gt seem to be plentiful. the gts requires a little more looking and some,(not all)people need that immediate gratification, and go for the gt and later regret it.

[GSBoek]

pardon me for going a bit off topic and maybe irrelevant or not but looking at the above charts for the GTS i remembered hearing someone talk about there being a "drop" before lift kicks in...can anyone explain this? is that the drop before 6K on the charts?That's the dip you see right before 6K. It can literally be felt on stock and lightly modded GT-S with the factory ECU.

[00toyogts]

That's the dip you see right before 6K. It can literally be felt on stock and lightly modded GT-S with the factory ECU.

yeah i could always feel that right before going into lift and wondered what that was about.

[GSBoek]

I believe the rumors that Toyota did it on purpose. There's no other explanation cuz it's easily tuned away on a PFC.

[JameX]

I believe the rumors that Toyota did it on purpose. There's no other explanation cuz it's easily tuned away on a PFC.

I think you are right. That was to impress the ricers into thinking they had a mini turbo - afterburner hahaha.

[n2oVVTL-i]

So he pulls on you for like, 2 seconds? If a Viper only shifted at 2000 RPM, I would win. That is a senseless argument. What GS is saying is that the difference is negligible. Who cares? When speaking torque, we are all speaking naively.

I understand what you guys are saying.

I don't know about that whole Viper thing though man.
http://www.reefcorner.com/images/DynoRunSmooth5.gif
LoL That's a far cry

[GSBoek]

If the Viper shifted at 2K it would still lose despite having 3x more torque, it's called gearing and torque multiplication.