Lancerforum.com talking junk????

[jotan82]

what the hell is up with these trash talkers???

http://www.lancerforums.com/forums/t5421.html

[nyoneway]

That Mike is just being a instigator. He's taking comment from one person and try to use it to represent our whole celica community as a whole. What a a55hole.

[TRDeez Nutz]

Its faster....????
It comes turbocharged. Lets install that stage 3 kit from eip and then we'll talk.

Can't really get tooooo upset about it though...that cars ugly as f*ck :gap:

[CelicaDetective]

I am Chicagomike :)

[TaeMachine]

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on the W8 engine, where does the crankshaft go? are there 2?

[Phil C]

One crankshaft, 4 cams not 3 like the goofball on the other site said. A W8 is essentially two narrow (15 degree) angle V4 engines mated together at a traditional 60 degree V. It's easiest to think of it in terms of VW's other engines and say it is essentially two VR4s (a 4 cylinder version of a VR6) sharing a crankshaft. VW of America has a decent amount of information on the W8 on their web site, although it is geared towards a person who doesn't know what a cylinder is for the most part.

It's small, about the same size physically as a V6, but it is heavy and requires a huge harmonic balancer to try to even out the inherantly unstable design. It's also expensive to build and creates it's own set of problems with intake and exhaust routing.

[alizonmi4u]

mothafu@kerz

[nyoneway]

Mike, stick to your saturn. You don't deserve to own either car.

[CelicaDetective]

Ok, I don't mean to bash Celica's or the users here, but you've got one guy in Racing Stories saying his Celica GTS can beat BMW M3's a Porsches all day long, and man other users with controversial stories .... I wanted the opinion of other drivers, specifically those who drive EVO's overseas.


Celica is a great looking car, it's hot. I love the looks, I love the 6-speed. Performance for speed? Wrong car. Hurts to hear it can be beat by a Dodge Neon with some simple mods.

EVO is not a Celica, but performance wise it kills it. Sorry, that's just the truth. It will beat you. All wheel drive, turbo. Right from the showroom, and not only is it fast, but with some mods you can go well over 300HP.


I love both cars. But the EVO is more for me, being that it will get me too and from work and be a daily driver with not such a high profile look, plus winter driving in the EVO is a big plus - and a great weekend racer for SOLO II and road or whatever I please.

Mike

[nyoneway]

So what if there's a guy with the Celi who claims that he beat those car.

I beat all of the mentioned drivers who drove those cars too.. in a race of drivers, and not race of who's car is better.

Yea well you make it seem like one opionion of one or a few Celica owner represent us all. It does'nt. Don't make our community seem like trash talking ricers.

And where did you get the fact that Celica in general have a lot mechanical problems? Name one?

Originally posted by CelicaDetective
Ok, I don't mean to bash Celica's or the users here, but you've got one guy in Racing Stories saying his Celica GTS can beat BMW M3's a Porsches all day long, and man other users with controversial stories .... I wanted the opinion of other drivers, specifically those who drive EVO's overseas.


Celica is a great looking car, it's hot. I love the looks, I love the 6-speed. Performance for speed? Wrong car. Hurts to hear it can be beat by a Dodge Neon with some simple mods.

EVO is not a Celica, but performance wise it kills it. Sorry, that's just the truth. It will beat you. All wheel drive, turbo. Right from the showroom, and not only is it fast, but with some mods you can go well over 300HP.


I love both cars. But the EVO is more for me, being that it will get me too and from work and be a daily driver with not such a high profile look, plus winter driving in the EVO is a big plus - and a great weekend racer for SOLO II and road or whatever I please.

Mike

[Blue Lucifer]

It is called "welcome to the internet." Basically out here, words are taken literally as if it is true. You wouldn't believe how stupid the world has gotten when people connect. I just can't believe there is some moron out there who spreads word of such stupidity.

[CelicaDetective]

I've been on here since the board went up. I've been tracking the progress of the Celica since 2000.

Over the years, there have been MANY problems discussed. Blown engines, crappy factory radios, interior material scratching, sunroof plastic garbage scratching, lift cams (high cams), etc etc. The majority here has been BAD experience vs. good in the long-term.

Mike

[nyoneway]

Originally posted by CelicaDetective
I've been on here since the board went up. I've been tracking the progress of the Celica since 2000.

Over the years, there have been MANY problems discussed. Blown engines, crappy factory radios, interior material scratching, sunroof plastic garbage scratching, lift cams (high cams), etc etc. The majority here has been BAD experience vs. good in the long-term.

Mike

Mike you don't know what you are talking about.

The problems you discuss happens on a case to case basis. Blown engines are the fault of the driver. RSX and S2000 drivers blow their engine just like ours.

We do not have crappy factory radio. You smoking crack.

Material Scratching is not a mechanic problem. Sunroof are design to be light and that's why materials are lighter and easier to beak.

Our lift cams are fine.

The majority here have NO mechanical problems. You only post when you have a problem right? Do you post when you don't have a problem?

You goto a hospital and find that most people there are sick, does that mean most of the human population are sick?

You generalize about Celica, yet you don't own one.

People who blow their engine, tend to blow it again and have other problems because they can't drive.

Let me ask you again, what mechanical problems do we have?

[CelicaDetective]

I put this together from the year 2000, posts made here:

2000 Celica GTS problems list

1. Interior easily scratches, cheap plastic. Seatbelt scratches door when released unless door is open and sunroof is NOT glass.

I'm disappointed with the new Celica and apart
from the noise, my main gripe is the cheap,
sleazy plastic they used on the dash and doors.

well hey, what can i say, i agree partially with you that yah, the car is kinda too plasticky. but i mean there's good stuff too it. i love the body style, that i can't argue with. but i myself have some dislikes about the car too, that
1. you're paying so much, you should at least not get all plastic in the car.
2. what's up with the cardboard sunroof?
3. a 2000 car and you don't even get powered antenna?
4. the gas tank is placed too low...personally i think it should be right above the fender.
We all seem to be in agreement on the plastic deal...what we need to do is to gang write a letter to Toyota and ask whats' up with this. Don't think they will do much for us early adopters of the Celica but we might have a say on future models. The seat belt scratches are one thing but the bezel on my watch has completely wrecked the side where I have reached into the map pocket. Without even realizing it, I have carved, not scratched, 1/4" valleys in several places. This is the cheapest plastic...no sub-plastic I have ever seen...I am waiting for the owner of the dealership to be back in town to take this up in person.

As for the headliner and moonroof conver...don't even look at this as the material is the most depressing I have ever seen...and somehow I didn't even notice in the dealership before I bought....intoxicated by the new car smell I guess..Sheeesh!

I guess if indeed the motor is a $14,000 replacement part as seen in other messages, this does not leave too much for quality plastic????

yea, i think most people have the same problem with the seatbelt scratches, i know i do. and most people's cd players skip a bit, so your problems are normal.


2. Leather fades and wrinkles, very thin and cheap.

the interior leather is pretty cheap. You use the wrong kind of cleaner or conditioner, the dye comes out making your leather look faded especially on the most wrinkled up areas. So be careful when you use put on the conditioners.

The leather cover on my back seats don't fit snuggly. It's pretty loose. Another thing for the dealer to fix along with the rattles and loose door handle

The leather on the seats is on the "seating surfaces" of the front seats ONLY. Everything else is vinyl or "pleather" if you please. I would have preferred and paid for actual leather all around, but hey, it's no Bimmer.

I bought my celica two weeks ago and the driver seat leather was getting really wrinkled up everywhere on the part where you sit down. So I used eagle one leather conditioner in hopes that mosturizing theleather would make the leather not wrinkle up so much. But instead of rejuvinating the leather the dye seems to have came off onto the towel. Now it looks worse than before. It looks faded. Does anyone have a similar problem with their leather. Is there some kind of warranty on the leather?

3. Shift gates dangerously close together

[CelicaDetective]

Want more? Chipping paint, yes it happens, but ABNORMALLY on the Celica. Also, read Repair/Maintenence .. look through it and read the posts, you'll find mechanical problems.

[nyoneway]

Look man... the whole 2 page you listed.......

Which one of them fits in the car's reliability and mechanical problem.

This is a quote from you: "1. It's not as reliable as the new Celica (I know this can't be true, the Celica has had lots of mechanical problems). "

Poor interior quality, CD Player problems, Paint Chips, fits into mechanical reliabilty?

What does power antenna have to do with anything? It adds weight. If the Celica had better material (added weight), more luxury items (power antenna), it would weight as much as a RSX. But the car is design to be light and light is usually more flimsy. I can live with that.

Shift gate being to close together, for a car freak like me, its a good thing. If you can't drive, buy a auto.

So far you have'nt mention a single mechanical problem that ruins a celica's reliablity.

[nyoneway]

You say "a lot", but you failed to point out even ONE.

[CelicaDetective]

If you drive your car hard, I bet you'll never see 90,000 miles.

I'm done with this thred. Bye.

[WillyK]

All this coming from a guy who wants to buy a Mitsubishi....the Ford of Japan.

[PaCelicaGTS]

umm CelicaDetective, I drive my car DAMN hard, ask anyone who's followed me. I currently have almost 60,000 miles on the car and its still going strong. Any turn i find I try and take as quick as I can to test my suspension. I have too, its addictive. I believe this car will last over 100,000 miles and keep going. I love the car and I'm almost ashamed that I thought about getting rid of it. I bought my car early November of 1999, It has all of the original "defects" that the GTS supposedly had. The main problem i've ever had is the plastic, which i'm not completely satisfied with BUT the overall performance of the car severely overshadows the quality of PLASTIC. I could care less about the plastic, I bought the car b/c it looked damn good and performs better than the car I had before it, and i'm grateful that i can constantly make it better.

[djm221]

I would rather have a 2500lb car with a cheap, plastic interior and no power antenna vs. 2700lb car with pretty interior and power antenna (and other useless "luxuries")

Ah, forget it, you (CelicaDetective) are just being an ass. No
sense arguing.

And W8 description is classic :chuckles:

[F22-Raptor]

I love that when people are agreeing with him he stays on the site (Lancer site) But when people are civilly disagreeing with him he can't take it and runs. And your precious EVO??? Dude you are going to have problems with that as well. I will bet you money that I work hard for, you will have more than the celica. When you get into big hp you are going to start breaking stuff really quick. And when you do you are going to be aghast at the price. Everyone with a celica looks at modding their car and complains about 700 headers or whatever. You get into a car like the Evo and you are looking at lot higher prices. Plus I don't think Mitsu is going to be nice and give you another engine if you misshift like Toyota does..You are looking about 37k for the Evo and you are lookin at 19-23k for a GTS For that 14k I can mod the GTS to whip the Evo in every category especially looks. Period. Plus I am sure they are out there but how many people do you here about saying I just finished 500,000 or 600,000 miles in my mitsu and it still runs strong....I can point to people I know that have had Toyota's and Hondas past 1 million miles. Thats not a typo. My father had a 78 Tercel that went 400,000 before the body rusted out around it. But the engine was still running. There is nothing like Honda and Toyota Quality I have a WRX and it is nowhere near as tight as my Celica.

[Brett]

No car is perfect. its give and take, even with the EVO.

Sure people have had problems with the Celica. Me being one of them. But I like to think I am a minority rather than the majority. Your problem, Celica Detective, is that you only look at the bad aspects of the car. You take an extremly small percentage of the bad and make it out to be the majority. I'm sorry but you need to give the Celica a little more credit.

[CelicaDetective]

I give the Celica credit where it is deserved. Read my reply to the RSX - Celica comparison just posted

[nyoneway]

You seem to do a lot of research online and not have any real world experience. Now that do you know about RSX?

All your opionions are second hand, go out and buy your car already.

You drive a Saturn, anything is better. lol

[CelicaDetective]

I agree, my Saturn sucks. I have SOLO II'ed, I have gone on many test drives, and I have road raced. I only go online from work, I do not own any computers minus a ton of Commodore stuff from "back in the day". Anyway, you have to give me credit, I do all this when I can, while also supporting 300 users and 15 jobsites ALONE ... I am going on vacation now, see ya next week. Bye

Mike

[nyoneway]

Enjoy your vacation. Try not to think about cars or computers while you are gone.

[Brett]

The least you could do is respect our message board and its users. I'd like to think that most of the people on this message board are pretty open minded. Some of the stuff you said on that site really gave us a bad image, one that was not deserved. I dont see why you went over there and based our message board on 2-3 comments that someone made about the Celica.

[Maelfyn]

Originally posted by CelicaDetective
If you drive your car hard, I bet you'll never see 90,000 miles.

I'm done with this thred. Bye.

See you later. A large majority of us are rather content with our Celica. You can't make all the people happy all the time. Have fun with your Lancer. I hear those drivetrains have a history of reliability, eh?

Don't get me wrong. It's a great car to drive... or push.

[Deftech]

Hey about that sunroof, Look at a Lexus or Acura and you will find the same material and construction. Those are supposedly more Luxurious cars right.

That and well I have had 0 problems with the car mechanically.

[apexsw20trd]

the celica is a nice car, overall in performance and handling yet i am dissappointed about the power output and also the front wheel drive aspect of it. the reason for such a dissapointment is because i had a 1991 celica turbo all wheel drive back in high school with of course the 3sgte engine and of course the all wheel drive and i have to say that the 91 celica is a true performance vehicle. i would always take the long way home and i loved it. the feel of all wheel drive and also the 3sgte was superior and much more advance then its time. yet of course when the 91 turbo mr2 came out i had to get that also yet i still loved the celica awd turbo. of course now its very rare to see a celica turbo awd being sold.

when you compare a evo to a 2000 gts well , i would still have chosen teh gts over the evo. but if the 2000 and up celica's came with rear wheel drive and a beefed up more advanced 3sgte engine then there will be no doubt in my mind what i would get.

just my thought, i personally dont like the look of the evo. the celica on the other hand looks nice.

[ArchangelX]

Welps...I've been around since the early beginning, and although there has been some problems, most of the time I see positive posts and constant exposure to people being amazed by what a great car is.

I might post much, but I've been around since we all figured out LarryD was a helluva lot younger than we thought he was..heheh.

Anyways...my car is almost at 37,000 miles now...and I' haven't had a single damn problem besides moisture in a headlight (which got replaced no charge) and a bad MAF due too much oil in my Injen CAI.

The car is incredible.

And after I get that Hotchkis Tuning Total Vehicle Suspension kit, I'll be right up there with the bad boys.. :D

That's my next mod by the way....heheh...just got the approval from my wife!!! WOOT!

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by ArchangelX
Welps...I've been around since the early beginning, and although there has been some problems, most of the time I see positive posts and constant exposure to people being amazed by what a great car is.

I might post much, but I've been around since we all figured out LarryD was a helluva lot younger than we thought he was..heheh.

Anyways...my car is almost at 37,000 miles now...and I' haven't had a single damn problem besides moisture in a headlight (which got replaced no charge) and a bad MAF due too much oil in my Injen CAI.

The car is incredible.

And after I get that Hotchkis Tuning Total Vehicle Suspension kit, I'll be right up there with the bad boys.. :D

That's my next mod by the way....heheh...just got the approval from my wife!!! WOOT!

assuming you can drive well like john hotchkis :thumbup:

this entire thread is funny, if anyone considers those lists of problems as serious defects, they should look up the problems that some mitsubishis experience on 'average'. and i would doubt the serious intentions of such a person to actually race seriously...i guess if you want a car you don't have to treat like a race car, but can still be quick if you flog on it moderately, an EVO will do it for ya.

the EVO is a car bred for racing. all these 'problems' listed for the celica most likely weren't even a concern for mitsubishi, while they were for toyota. that's all i gotta say.

and if all you do is autox, you could probably beat the snot out of a lot of people with just a CRX and some practice. if you're moving into road racing, well, even then, some kid with just a celica and a great suspension and a lot of practice will probably piss you off one day.

as for myself, i love the EVO. it's one of my favorite cars. i'd take my celica over any car any day (at least anything new within $20k of my car), except the EVO. i love it that much. but it doesn't mean you can't 'keep it real'.

and since some crazy nut is gonna do it sooner or later to start a flame war, and i really enjoyed this thread so far:

SCC August Issue:

Hotchkis Celica laps Buttonwillow @ 56.47 seconds (mods: hotchkis suspension, trd exhaust)

mostly 'stock' Lancer EVO VII laps same course, Buttonwillow @ 57.44 seconds in their previous issue (comparison with the WRX, which wasn't fair to me, it should've been compared to the STi, but i bet the EVO would still come out on top).

SCC states:

"In fact, Hotchkis tells tales of dicing toe-to-toe with a current-model BMW M3 at the same track we performed this test. To verify, we dug up the lap times produced by the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII we tested last month at the same track. Turns out, Hotchkis' Celica is damned fast, cranking out lap times nearly a second quicker than Mitsubishi's supercar (56.47 sec. vs. 57.44 sec). We're believers"

was this guy the guy you were talking about who was talking about beating BMW M3s in the Racing Forum? :D Hotchkis himself?

the only reason i bring this up is that i think you're bringing up lame excuses for no reason at all to defend getting an EVO over a celica. when there's no reason to be defensive. it's an EVO, i'd still take it any day over a celica, there's no reason to even talk **** like this. but when you say you're doing it for pure racing, then i gotta call BS. i dunno how much work you're gonna put into the EVO, but all you need is a hotchkis suspension (and a bit of suspension know how) and a **** load of time behind the wheel with an instructor to be lapping quicker than EVOs at some popular tracks. if you want the EVO to just be quick without bothering, then just leave it at that, nobody's questioning your decision.

[SlasherX]

who the **** cares?

[GTS808]

Originally posted by CelicaDetective
If you drive your car hard, I bet you'll never see 90,000 miles.


If you drive ANY car hard it the odds of it seeing 90,000 miles isn't as good if you don't drive it hard. I'm pretty sure a turbocharged car if driven hard the turbo will have to replaced by 90,000 miles. There is also a higher chance of catastrophic engine failure with a turbocharger.

[soceur]

On NewCelica.org:

"The Celica GTS can turn faster lap times than a BMW M3 and most Porsches."

"The Ferrari has bad brakes, the Celica has better brakes."


Good lord, sign me up for an EVO NOW!!!!! I don't want to be part of that no-clue club!

Mike

Then stay the hell out!! Loser

[iDRIVE]

With all the problems posted up top, most of them are cosmetic.

Come on now, when toyota puts a "LEXUS" badge on the celica thats the time ill be disappointed with the cheap interior.

Im guessing that you hate the'98 ITR's since they dont come with AC. How about those $100000+ supercars that dont come with radio?

Dont say your buying the EVO for racing purpose then rant about how the celica's leather fades, cheap plastic interior and what not.

I wouldnt say the celica is the best bang for the buck or the greatest car, we all know you can buy a civic hatch and stuff a b18c w/ turbo for less than the celica and EVO and itll be ALOT faster.

EVERY car have their fair shares of problems.

I hate it when people start mentioning HOTCHKIS everytime somebody bashes on the celica. Jeez, how fair is it to compare a modded car to a stock car??? Dont get me wrong, i like the HC celica.

[chico]

OK the guy that started the thread drives a saturn, then those idiots drive 120hp POS cars that god knows why mitsu labeld LANCER, they figure the real stupid ones wouldn't know the difference, blah, LANCER= sh!t

[beajd]

Hey, go easy on the saturn, i drive one too. It's fun to pull up to eclipses and integras, blow them away, and then have them come up to you and be like "holy ****, is that REALLY a saturn?". There's a lot of hidden potential in those cars, plus it's a great sleeper. Anyways, why are you comparing a GTS with an RSX-S if you've never owned either one? Even if you've test driven them you still can't give a fair comparison to either one unless you've owned one and really gotten to know the car.

[racinjason]

The paint chips on ALL cars!!! The Celica is actually better than alot of my friends 3G's, Civics, Neon, and other newer cars out. The paint is no better or worse than anyone elses.

The interior material is somewhat disapointing. But Thicker plastics, headboard material etc. Would have resulted in a heavier car. They put that plastic in there because it was cheaper, recycled, and lighter than the older 27K+ celicas from 94-99. Once you get enough coats of 2001 on there it's fine. The plastic actually hardens up after all those coats as well. I don't even have that problem anymore.

All model cars have a few head unit problems. Most (99.9%) don't have problems.

The leather is not bad at all either. I use moisturizers and have never had a problem with it. My seats have normal wear on them like any of my other cars with leather seats. I agree it's doesn't feel as high a quality of leather though.

6 Speed tranny isn't a problem for most. But many 6 speed trannys in cars have misshift problems. It's been unanimously agreed that it's a driver problem not a tranny problem.

The front end is made of plastic and can't rust. The wheels are made of aluminum and can't rust either. Probably some type of over bake or salt corrosion on the paint from the trip over seas. This problem is HIGHLY uncommon.

The lift in the engine is not a problem but a highlight of the engine. I love it when it does that. The VTEC systems switch over is weak and definately non-insipiring for me.

All in all Toyota has the best quality record of any auto manufacturer in the WORLD!!! This includes the Celica! Mitsubushi is fairly far behind in this catagory. So I would say it is pretty safe to say the quality will be better.

The car should use better interior materials due to it's 36K+ price that will be asked for the cars.

stock for stock the EVO is in another league. But if you look at the value or what you get for the dollar. the Celica is a better buy in some areas. And with the cash you'd save on buying a GT-S over an EVO. You could mop the floor with it in a straight line and in the twisties (Turbo kit-5k, Suspension&wheels-5k) And still look better(IMO)

The Celica has already proven with with the turbo bolt on it's an easy candidate to run 12's. And with about 4-5K invested in the ride of the Celica you can easy out handle and brake most cars on the planet let alone a EVO VII. (see Hotchkis Tuning Celica results)

[ArchangelX]

LOL!!!

assuming you can drive well like john hotchkis

Ya...good point...I thought I added that..but I guess I didnt..heheheh.

Fuk...I'll need about 20 years of racing porsches...jeez..where the hell am I gonna find someone let me drive a porsche?

[97gpGT]

(Turbo kit-5k, Suspension&wheels-5k)

You forget the costs for AWD conversion and chassis stiffening for the hardcore offroading that the Evo is designed for. It is not a drag racer and, without obscene amounts of money, time, and effort, will never be an incredible drag racer, but the AWD will still give it an edge off the line over almost any similarly powered FWD or RWD car. The Celica is still a good car, but it was designed with a different goal in mind than the Evo designers had. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Stock for stock, the Evo is the more capable performance car, and it should be, with a sticker price that will be higher than that of a Celica.

And, before someone plays the reliability card again, how reliable do you think a turbocharged Celica is going to be? The engine in the Celica was never meant to be turbocharged, and adding one only increases your chances of having problems, especially if the engine is not built up first. Building up the engine costs quite a bit of money, meaning that you are going to pay about as much for the turbo'd, suspension mod'd Celica as you would for an Evo and still not have the AWD or chassis stiffness that comes with the Lancer. Just remember, there's a reason why the Lancer Evo will cost much more than Celicas, and it's not just because of Mitsubishi executives' greed.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by 97gpGT


You forget the costs for AWD conversion and chassis stiffening for the hardcore offroading that the Evo is designed for. It is not a drag racer and, without obscene amounts of money, time, and effort, will never be an incredible drag racer, but the AWD will still give it an edge off the line over almost any similarly powered FWD or RWD car. The Celica is still a good car, but it was designed with a different goal in mind than the Evo designers had. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Stock for stock, the Evo is the more capable performance car, and it should be, with a sticker price that will be higher than that of a Celica.

And, before someone plays the reliability card again, how reliable do you think a turbocharged Celica is going to be? The engine in the Celica was never meant to be turbocharged, and adding one only increases your chances of having problems, especially if the engine is not built up first. Building up the engine costs quite a bit of money, meaning that you are going to pay about as much for the turbo'd, suspension mod'd Celica as you would for an Evo and still not have the AWD or chassis stiffness that comes with the Lancer. Just remember, there's a reason why the Lancer Evo will cost much more than Celicas, and it's not just because of Mitsubishi executives' greed.

yeah, but if you look at all the modded WRXs running around tearing up the drag strip, i think it could be a capable drag car without much effort.

[Griffin]

I put a new thread up on their board and set em straight I think :) - in a very calm, rational and civilized away.

Griffin

[amazed]

you can drive any car hard and it will last it is all how you maintain it

[97gpGT]

yeah, but if you look at all the modded WRXs running around tearing up the drag strip, i think it could be a capable drag car without much effort.

true, but there are better cars on the market for the same amount of money that can be made into much more capable drag cars (Trans Am WS6/Z28, Mustangs, 350Z, etc.)

[nccelica]

well if you pay 15k more for a car (base vs base) i would hope you would get better interior, faster engine, and a better suspension

[97gpGT]

15k more? My uncle got a Z28 for 23k, its about the same as a rex, and one of my good friends just got a 2001 Mustang GT automatic (it was the last one they had so he was sorta stuck w/ the auto) for 21k. The Cobra is 15k more, and the special version of the Z28 is about 10k more, but the normal Z28 and GT are about the same cost as the WRX. Of course, you don't get AWD, the ability to offroad, or the ability to use it in the winter (around here, anyway) so it all depends on what you want.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by 97gpGT


true, but there are better cars on the market for the same amount of money that can be made into much more capable drag cars (Trans Am WS6/Z28, Mustangs, 350Z, etc.)

the 350Z would not be a better drag car. a LS1 f-body or mustang might. but even then, AWD is better for launching with higher power anyway. i honestly think that the WRX at least since it doesn't have all those fancy torque control gizmos like the EVO is one of the better platforms out there for drag racing, period. the AWD system on there is very robust, and so is the engine.

[nccelica]

im referring to celica vs lancer... 15k difference...

[jotan82]

OWN3D

:wiggle:

[97gpGT]

im referring to celica vs lancer... 15k difference...

And the 15k difference is reflected in the final product, the Evo is the more potent performance machine and should be, for that amount of money. I'm not trying to bash the Celica, in fact, I think it's a great car for its price. When any car is compared to another that is out of its price range, however, it is found to be lacking. Compare the Evo to the Skyline GT-R and you'll see what I mean.

[pepsiman]

Just ignore them~
you know how many people came up to me and said " your car is so nice~" " is that new celica? GT-S? WOW~" "6spd GT-S? wow~"

i bet lancer guys never hear stuff like that~ Celica vs lancer
no competition~ n by the time lancer evolution hits us market~ ill be runnin on turbo.. hehe

[steckelberg]

About the Lancer out otperforming the Celica. In the SCC issue with the 3 tuned celicas it broke 2/3 handling records. AND if you read it you'll notice that the hothkins(sp?) celica beat the EVOVII on the SAME track by by several seconds. And with those suspension mods the celica is still cheaper than a Lancer. I guess you were wrong- our performance is better is some areas. As for staight line times- EIP equiped celica would be sick...

[97gpGT]

Usually when I talk about cars I'm talking stock-for-stock. To get the same handling and same straight line times (same performance) as the Evo, you would have to put enough money into the Celica (Hotchkins + EIP) that the cost difference would be negligible. And the Evo would still have a warranty, and you still couldn't offroad... The Celica would still look better though IMHO. Iit's all a matter of whether you want a nice looking, sporty car or a raw, performance-above-all-else rally car. Remember, your cars were not made to be true performance machines. That's what the Supras are for, a more fair comparison would be the new Supra vs the US spec Evo when the two cars hit the streets. Now if they only made an AWD Supra I could use in the winter....