Drove the RSX Type S and this is wierd......

[Drag'nGT]

I got to drive the car and I must say it handles well and would be a nice replacement to my Celica. But I noticed something odd in the RSX book that the salesman gave me.

Oh. And the customer service and salesmen were more knowledgeable than the Toyota gurus I've ran into at their service department. Not that that matters much. ;)

Look at the specs:

RSX------------------160hp @ 6500
RSX Type S --------200hp @ 7400

RSX------------------141lbs @ 4000
RSX Type S --------142lbs @ 6000

RSX Redline---------------6800 rpm
RSX Type S Redline------7900 rpm

Compresion:
RSX------------------9.8:1
RSX Type S---------11.0:1

The RSX Type S is 73 lbs heavier.

Does this mean that yet another underpowered base car has the <I>potential</I> to beat the more expensive sibling once it's turbo'd?

Looking at the torque figure, the Type S has only <B>1</B> more pound of torque at 2000 rpms more than the base RSX. What's up with this? This to me means that the Type S has a better top end than the base RSX and just a smidge more power.

And with the same displacement in the base RSX it has the potential to handle more boost since the compresion is much lower thus... it could out perform the Type S????:confused:

I don't know the exact specifications, but looking at this it seems like the Type S gets it's power from the higher compresion. Similar to the GT-S. It also has "lift" or i-vtec for the Acura guys like the GT-S.

But is this engine just plain stronger in the Type S form than the GT-S and that's why a simple bolt on turbo kit is available for the car?

But NO I'm not getting this car. My eyes are elsewhere. :naughty: My little secret.

Oh. And it has a 3-rocker vtec to get the extra performance over the base model. I thought there was only 2. What's the 3rd one?

[Chui]

"... but looking at this it seems like the Type S gets it's power from the higher compresion."

Nah, increased compression ratio adds little in the way of peak power. Relatively speaking. The increase in bhp is due to the optimization of the cylinder head for higher engine operating speed.

[Da Kine Guy]

The "S" is using the three rocker system? You sure about that? I'm pretty damn sure it's two, Honda used the three rocker on like only one car I think. What it was I don't know, NSX maybe.

[oo_snoopy]

One rocker is for idle, then the second one for low to mid, and the thrid rocker switchs over at higher rpm.

[Drag'nGT]

It's a 3 rocker system. It says so right in the book.

And snoop... I just wasted 5 min. reading that dumb sig. I hope you're proud of yourself. :nono:

[yakkosmurf]

The lower model being a better candidate for a turbo is nothing new. The Integra was the same way. The Type R is not as good of a candidate for boost since it has a higher CR. When an engine is setup to make good HP N/A, it usually doesn't do too well turboed. But the same thing is true of turbo engines. They don't do very well if you take the turbo off. Engines are designed to perform well in their factory state (for the price range). Changing that always requires some work.

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
The lower model being a better candidate for a turbo is nothing new. The Integra was the same way. The Type R is not as good of a candidate for boost since it has a higher CR. When an engine is setup to make good HP N/A, it usually doesn't do too well turboed. But the same thing is true of turbo engines. They don't do very well if you take the turbo off. Engines are designed to perform well in their factory state (for the price range). Changing that always requires some work.

:werd:

[insunan]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
The lower model being a better candidate for a turbo is nothing new. The Integra was the same way. The Type R is not as good of a candidate for boost since it has a higher CR. When an engine is setup to make good HP N/A, it usually doesn't do too well turboed. But the same thing is true of turbo engines. They don't do very well if you take the turbo off. Engines are designed to perform well in their factory state (for the price range). Changing that always requires some work.

I know the Type-R engine didn't respond as well to forced induction as the GS-R engine did, but what about the GS-R engine vs the LS engine?

[yakkosmurf]

Off the top of my head, I can't recall the compression ratio of the LS/GS engine. I do know many people prefer a well ported LS/GS head over the GSR head with the VTEC system. I've never looked much into turboing a Teg. If I wanted a turbo car, I would have bought one. My next purchase probably will be. I don't see the point of a big turbo on a FWD car. But that's just me.

[insunan]

I agree with you, Yakko. I've always felt the Type-R (as well as the GT-S) should remain N/A.