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Curt
02-08-2011, 01:46 PM
I've come up with a way to bump the base fuel pressure with our OEM fuel pressure regulator from the stock ~43 psi up to 55 psi. It's generally referred to as "crushing" the FPR.

By way of background, when WEB 3.0 was Rotrexing Grumpy's 2ZZ Spyder (over 4 years ago), he realized that in spite of a Walbro 255 and 630cc injectors, he'd run short of fuel/duty cycle at the top end. Bill was reluctant to "experiment" with his preferred solution - trying to crush Grumpy's FPR - so he shimmed it (how he did that is another story for another time). When I was deciding what to do with the fuel system for my stroker Rotrex'd 2ZZ Spyder I considered a return system (as Sammy Sandbag and WYOWRX have chosen to do), but instead opted for shimming as Bill had done for Grumpy in order to achieve a 55 psi base pressure (which when combined with my 630's and Walbro haven't yet hit the 80% duty cycle point yet - but only 90% tuned at this point). Not quite as elegant as a full return system (from a purist's perspective), but a heck of a lot more economical (I don't even want to guess how much MWR charges for a complete return system, plus a bunch of work to install).

The method for shimming was to run a small gauge stainless wire thru the FPR to basically bind up a couple coils of the spring in there. But that's a bit shade-tree and I was still curious about the possibility of a more permanent crush method. After some research on outfits selling aftermarket supercharger kits for other cars and who supplied with their kit a simple, foolproof FPR crush tool, and I could see for myself how it was supposed to be done, I figured I could probably find a way to make such a tool. And with Corky's generous help, I was able to. I picked up a couple of used FPR's from Car-Parts.com and started experimenting, and I was able to nail it.

So here's the good part that some of you reading this want to know: It's FREE (well, almost). Send me your OEM FPR and I'll crush it to that 55 psi figure so it'll be a slick plug-n-play (except that you'll need to re-tune your ECU/EMS). Include in the package $5 for Priority Mail return postage, and I'll turn it around and get it off to you in one day. Santa Claus came late this year guys! I won't loan this tool (so don't ask) and it would be too much hassle to try to make and sell them. And for $5 and using the 630 injectors and the Walbro 255, where are you going to get a fuel system that'll support a RWHP in the low 300-range.

PM me if you're interested.

youngxlos
02-08-2011, 04:42 PM
OMG how much power do you think could be made at 55psi over the 43?
I was in the market for a return line system, and this could save me some money :)

Shizuma
02-08-2011, 05:01 PM
Hey, not that this isn't a good idea but you need to contact this site's administrator (larryd) before offering a vendor service like what you're describing. I won't take any moderator action right now so the thread doesn't die and people can ask questions so long as you nix the "mail order" segment of your post until you talk to Larry.

larryd
02-08-2011, 05:35 PM
Meh, I don't really see that you're selling anything. Just offering a service for the price of shipment.

Shizuma
02-08-2011, 07:04 PM
^Works for me :gap:

Curt
02-08-2011, 07:30 PM
OMG how much power do you think could be made at 55psi over the 43?
I was in the market for a return line system, and this could save me some money :)

That'll depend on a whole bunch of things, how the engine is modified and not the least of which will be the injectors and fuel pump you use.:AF:

Batojiri
02-08-2011, 07:56 PM
for mild setups its not a bad idea but for the extreme a vac/psi referenced FPR and a return line is the best setup. you can run low PSI fuel pressure at idle and once you start making boost pressure the PSI correlates almost to how much added fuel pressure you will receive over the idle fuel pressure plus atmospheric pressure.

an example would be your fuel pressure is set to 50 PSI at idle you have a boost reference of 15 PSI at full load full boost, your final fuel pressure would be approx. 75 PSI accounting for atmospheric pressure.

lVlemphizStylez
02-08-2011, 08:53 PM
OMG how much power do you think could be made at 55psi over the 43?
I was in the market for a return line system, and this could save me some money :)

really not something you should consider unless you're running out of fuel...

youngxlos
02-08-2011, 09:15 PM
really not something you should consider unless you're running out of fuel...
stock fuel system wont handle 20+ psi

Curt
02-09-2011, 02:58 AM
for mild setups its not a bad idea ........

As I said, it handles 300-325 RWHP just fine with a Walbro 255 and 630cc injectors (and that was with about 13-14 psi of boost at the top end). That's the sort of power ceiling-target that would meet most guys' goal. If someone's serious about going higher than that, one of the variables is larger injectors. One of the nice (elegant) things about a manifold pressure referenced return system is that it allows you to maintain a constant differential of fuel pressure across the injectors (i.e., the pressure in the fuel rail plus-or-minus the pressure/vacuum in the intake manifold). However, unless you have a compulsion to blow a lot of money unnecessarily and simple solves it, why not.
Here's a cross-reference to my thread on Spyderchat so guys on both forums can share in each others inputs:
http://spyderchat.com/forums/showthread.php?45327-Fuel-System-Mod&p=748789#post748789

lVlemphizStylez
02-09-2011, 05:47 AM
stock fuel system wont handle 20+ psi

fuel systems aren't rated by psi.... I would hold off and actually see what your fueling demands look like

Shizuma
02-09-2011, 07:22 AM
Wow, this is twice this week I've agreed with Memph...wait and see what your inj duty cycles look like...are you even tuned yet?

Smaay
02-09-2011, 07:36 AM
i wouldnt put my faith in that at all. a return system is much more efficient and reliable. and MWR isnt the only shop that provides them. If you searched, I invented the return system on the celica. it actually can be done much cheaper then you think. you need a rail that you can get through me or MWR. a FPR thats roughly $140 for a good aeromotive. and maybe another $50 in fittings.

when i first produced return systems, i made it a complete plug and play system with all new parts and it was really expensive. but if you are to do it yourself you can safe a few hundred dollars.

youngxlos
02-09-2011, 07:45 AM
Wow, this is twice this week I've agreed with Memph...wait and see what your inj duty cycles look like...are you even tuned yet?

Its not dyno tuned, Jesse did spend about 3 hours street tuning it.
If I remember correct he said the injector duty was around 60% at 16 psi
I have a 255 lph fuel pump and 700cc mwr injectors

lVlemphizStylez
02-09-2011, 07:56 AM
you got plenty injector left...go see what happens when you are actually finishing the tune. I personally don't agree with crushing the FPR for 12 more psi of fuel pressure..