Newbie here...

[CeliRollaPR]

Hey guys!!! Im Josue from Puerto Rico. I study mechanical engineering at University of PR in Mayaguez. Im 22 and I drive a '06 Corolla CE. I'm also registered in a couple of forums for a couple of years and I ain't new to Toyotas and mods... I have a CAI, ported celica gt manifold, no cats and 2.25" custom axleback exhaust with a Magnaflow muffler. I also got a couple of more things outside but I'm currently searching for a Celica GT head to PnP and fit it to my 1zz-fe Corolla block. Will it fit? I know the Celica valves are a little bigger than the 'Rolla's, but I'm not 100% sure if the block is exactly the same. I'm planning for now keeping it N/A to have a lil' fun kicking some H a$$ until summer when i pay it off and then I'll convert it from auto to GT 5spd and then do turbo.

Soo... will the GT head fit the 'Rolla block?? Thanks in advance and greetings from PR!!! This forum is really famous here and also in the other forum where I'm at...

[GSBoek]

Welcome to the board. I took the liberty to move your thread here, Off Topic is not a place for this and certainly not for a newbie. :chuckles:

The head from the Celica will fit just fine. Not sure you'll be beating many cars though in an auto Corolla. :D

[hulkster]

welcome.good luck with your build.lets see some pics.

[ajh1717]

Welcome to the board. I took the liberty to move your thread here, Off Topic is not a place for this and certainly not for a newbie.

Dam, I was looking for this in OT lol.

[lajlijthoj]

Or you could save and get the XRS(2zz) motor and piece it together while you drive your CE. They're identical swaps except one has more ponies, but the auto wouldn't really help much either.

[CeliRollaPR]

Dam, I was looking for this in OT lol.

You told me to post in OT... thanks bro... good one

Or you could save and get the XRS(2zz) motor and piece it together while you drive your CE. They're identical swaps except one has more ponies, but the auto wouldn't really help much either.

I study full time. I dont have the money nor the time to do an engine swap. I'm making the most of the 1zz and they have so much potential that I love it. Also for turbo I like this engine better than the 2zzge.

welcome.good luck with your build.lets see some pics.

I'll post some when I figure out how to. This forum is somewhat weird in its organization lol...

Welcome to the board. I took the liberty to move your thread here, Off Topic is not a place for this and certainly not for a newbie. :chuckles:

The head from the Celica will fit just fine. Not sure you'll be beating many cars though in an auto Corolla. :D

Thanks man. I plan to swap the GT's 5spd and also I've beat a couple of cars with my auto... It moves surprisingly good for the mods it has and it has gathered quite some attention here...

Also: Thanks for the comments!!!

[tony1w]

sup newb... me too

[Joey03_VVT-I]

:wave:-Welcome to NewCELICA.org!

[CleanLinen]

Welcome to the forum, there are a lot great guys and threads on everything you may ever need to know about the 1zz.

[ajh1717]

I study full time. I dont have the money nor the time to do an engine swap. I'm making the most of the 1zz and they have so much potential that I love it. Also for turbo I like this engine better than the 2zzge.

Thanks man. I plan to swap the GT's 5spd and also I've beat a couple of cars with my auto... It moves surprisingly good for the mods it has and it has gathered quite some attention here...

Also: Thanks for the comments!!!

Really?

[boothten]

Really?
:chuckles:

[atrac7GTS]

my celica can go up to 100 mph beat that

[GLERINK]

The valves are bigger in the Celica? I didn't know that

[evolutionz]

wow this my first I see a person prefer the 1zz then the 2zz

[GLERINK]

And is that valve difference make a huge hp difference enough to be noticible

[CeliRollaPR]

Really?

Yes ;)

my celica can go up to 100 mph beat that

My 'Rolla does too lol...

The valves are bigger in the Celica? I didn't know that

Yes I think they are 1mm oversize on intake and 1.5mm on exhaust.

wow this my first I see a person prefer the 1zz then the 2zz

I just prefer it for turbo power... The 2zzge is more fragile and honestly, I'm a N/A purist. I'll buy a Xrs later but it'll stay N/A. Here in PR we have some pretty awesome 2zzs, but the ones that get the most attention are 1zzs. I always recall a 2001 'Rolla with the 1zz w/vvt-i. they got it to 475whp, auto trans and did 11.7 in the 1/4. I just love this engine a lot. Also it has never broken or anything ;)

[ajh1717]

I just prefer it for turbo power... The 2zzge is more fragile and honestly, I'm a N/A purist. I'll buy a Xrs later but it'll stay N/A. Here in PR we have some pretty awesome 2zzs, but the ones that get the most attention are 1zzs. I always recall a 2001 'Rolla with the 1zz w/vvt-i. they got it to 475whp, auto trans and did 11.7 in the 1/4. I just love this engine a lot. Also it has never broken or anything

There is so much wrong with this post that I'm not even going to address it.

[CeliRollaPR]

There is so much wrong with this post that I'm not even going to address it.

why? what's wrong with it?

[ajh1717]

I just prefer it for turbo power... The 2zzge is more fragile and honestly, I'm a N/A purist. I'll buy a Xrs later but it'll stay N/A. Here in PR we have some pretty awesome 2zzs, but the ones that get the most attention are 1zzs. I always recall a 2001 'Rolla with the 1zz w/vvt-i. they got it to 475whp, auto trans and did 11.7 in the 1/4. I just love this engine a lot. Also it has never broken or anything

The 2zz is a better engine for performance, period. Whether it be N/A, or forced induction. Also, I have no idea what you are saying here. You say you are a N/A purist however you want to go turbo eventually.

The only thing the 1zz is good for is gas mileage. If you were to take identical cars(brand new, both manual, same exact mods) but the only different is one has a 1zz and one has a 2zz, the 2zz would win. The 1zz is not a better engine for anything other than fuel economy.

End of the day:

1zz < 2zz for anything performance related.

[CeliRollaPR]

The 2zz is a better engine for performance, period. Whether it be N/A, or forced induction. Also, I have no idea what you are saying here. You say you are a N/A purist however you want to go turbo eventually.

The only thing the 1zz is good for is gas mileage. If you were to take identical cars(brand new, both manual, same exact mods) but the only different is one has a 1zz and one has a 2zz, the 2zz would win. The 1zz is not a better engine for anything other than fuel economy.

End of the day:

1zz < 2zz for anything performance related.

I said I was a purist for N/A if I had a 2zzge. If you read fine you now that I plan on buying a Xrs and leave it N/A. But my 1zz will be turbo. Of course mod vs mod the 2zz wins, but at what cost?? the money I save from buying a 2zz, I put it in the 1zz, it'll kick 2zzs ass. Period. Also, throw 2nd gear bad on a 2zz and boom, no more 2zz... I see all forums people crying because they broke their 2zzs and I don see anyone crying because their 1zz is... You just can't accept that the 1zz is a good and strong engine for performance also. If you're ashamed of your 1zz, bad for you. I love mine...

Have a good day mister.

PD... I like 2zz-ges a lot!! they kick sooo much H @$$...

[Joykillur_DP]

havent seen alot of crying about 1zzs breaking..
but theres plenty of crying when it comes to 1zzs being slow.
just saying.
and turboing either one is going to cost you alot of money.. period.

[ajh1717]

I said I was a purist for N/A if I had a 2zzge. If you read fine you now that I plan on buying a Xrs and leave it N/A. But my 1zz will be turbo. Of course mod vs mod the 2zz wins, but at what cost?? the money I save from buying a 2zz, I put it in the 1zz, it'll kick 2zzs ass. Period. Also, throw 2nd gear bad on a 2zz and boom, no more 2zz... I see all forums people crying because they broke their 2zzs and I don see anyone crying because their 1zz is... You just can't accept that the 1zz is a good and strong engine for performance also. If you're ashamed of your 1zz, bad for you. I love mine...

Have a good day mister.

PD... I like 2zz-ges a lot!! they kick sooo much H @$$...

You do realize that N/A on our cars hardly does much unless you throw every mod possible at it right? Whether it be 2zz, or 1zz.

Why would you spend 5k plus turboing a 1zz? Why not save, buy the xrs (or just buy a 2zz engine for less?) and then turbo it? Your logic makes no sense. You say mod for mod a 2zz wins, yet you still are set on turboing a 1zz when you can just save that money and get a 2zz engine or xrs than save a little more and turbo it.

To me it sounds like you want to rush into your engine bay and throw a turbo at it. Have you check compression? valves? Heads? Head Gasket? Do you know how much a turbo system cost? Then you have to get a stand alone ecu, tune it, dyno it + the increase wear on your engine if your engine can even hold the extra power a turbo makes.

Why not buy a piece of **** 2zz from a junkyard then rebuild it? You can get a much stronger, powerful engine than a stock 1zz/2zz that will be able to handle a turbo and be set up for it.

You cannot call a motor weak if someone blows it because they can't shift. That is driver error, not the strength of an engine.

I have never heard of anyone on this forum saying they would rather turbo a 1zz over a 2zz. :confused:

[CRBCelica]

:faint: this guy and the guy who posted up he wanted a sri on the performance sect.

i feel bad

[CeliRollaPR]

You do realize that N/A on our cars hardly does much unless you throw every mod possible at it right? Whether it be 2zz, or 1zz.

Why would you spend 5k plus turboing a 1zz? Why not save, buy the xrs (or just buy a 2zz engine for less?) and then turbo it? Your logic makes no sense. You say mod for mod a 2zz wins, yet you still are set on turboing a 1zz when you can just save that money and get a 2zz engine or xrs than save a little more and turbo it.

To me it sounds like you want to rush into your engine bay and throw a turbo at it. Have you check compression? valves? Heads? Head Gasket? Do you know how much a turbo system cost? Then you have to get a stand alone ecu, tune it, dyno it + the increase wear on your engine if your engine can even hold the extra power a turbo makes.

Why not buy a piece of **** 2zz from a junkyard then rebuild it? You can get a much stronger, powerful engine than a stock 1zz/2zz that will be able to handle a turbo and be set up for it.

You cannot call a motor weak if someone blows it because they can't shift. That is driver error, not the strength of an engine.

I have never heard of anyone on this forum saying they would rather turbo a 1zz over a 2zz. :confused:


That's it right there. Here I can build a turbo kit for less than $3k :) Here a 2zz with trans costs about $1200 and everyone here knows their potential so they're really not available in good condition. The thing is that I only make $150 a month and u have to subtract gas money and things for college. I have my car like it is because I'm good bargaining with other people. I assume that because of your third paragraph you dont know anything about your engine right?

Let me clarify some things for you pal... The 1zzfe holds 10psi of boost with stock internals without a sweat. U can tune it with a AEM FI/C(piggyback, $500) and get very good results. A friend of mine with stock internals, aem fic, and "ebay" turbo made 229hp and 199 lbs/ft on a auto trans, he just added a oil cooler(he only used 3k for everything, we are good mechanics here). I've seen my fare share of these engines and they have potential. Also, 2zz-ges also hold 10psi on stock internals and they get about 220-240hp with that setup. I know because I live next to a Toyota oriented garage. U guys must heard about Mr. Redliner9k from PR right?? I live a couple of minutes from their garage ;) So i know what I'm talking about. Don't be a 2zz wannabe and you'll be surprised at what your 1zz can do with a little money in it.

[ajh1717]

That's it right there. Here I can build a turbo kit for less than $3k Here a 2zz with trans costs about $1200 and everyone here knows their potential so they're really not available in good condition. The thing is that I only make $150 a month and u have to subtract gas money and things for college. I have my car like it is because I'm good bargaining with other people. I assume that because of your third paragraph you dont know anything about your engine right?

Let me clarify some things for you pal... The 1zzfe holds 10psi of boost with stock internals without a sweat. U can tune it with a AEM FI/C(piggyback, $500) and get very good results. A friend of mine with stock internals, aem fic, and "ebay" turbo made 229hp and 199 lbs/ft on a auto trans, he just added a oil cooler(he only used 3k for everything, we are good mechanics here). I've seen my fare share of these engines and they have potential. Also, 2zz-ges also hold 10psi on stock internals and they get about 220-240hp with that setup. I know because I live next to a Toyota oriented garage. U guys must heard about Mr. Redliner9k from PR right?? I live a couple of minutes from their garage So i know what I'm talking about. Don't be a 2zz wannabe and you'll be surprised at what your 1zz can do with a little money in it.


A kit yes, then you need the ECU and then the tune. That comes out to around 5k. If you only make $150 a month, you should not even be considering doing anything to your engine like that.

I know plenty about my engine, it was made for fuel economy.

I'm not going to sit and argue with your stupidity. Everyone knows, beside you, that a 2zz engine is far better for any performance upgrades.

[CeliRollaPR]

A kit yes, then you need the ECU and then the tune. That comes out to around 5k. If you only make $150 a month, you should not even be considering doing anything to your engine like that.

I know plenty about my engine, it was made for fuel economy.

I'm not going to sit and argue with your stupidity. Everyone knows, beside you, that a 2zz engine is far better for any performance upgrades.

I'm done with YOUR stupidity. I only see you arguing with me. Maybe because everyone understands that I never said 1zz>2zz. I only said that I prefer the 1zz for turbo and 2zz for N/A. I mean, are u sure you're in college man?? read first, then talk or write. I'm done with you mister.

[themuffinman]

.........Welcome....







:chuckles:

[ajh1717]

I'm done with YOUR stupidity. I only see you arguing with me. Maybe because everyone understands that I never said 1zz>2zz. I only said that I prefer the 1zz for turbo and 2zz for N/A. I mean, are u sure you're in college man?? read first, then talk or write. I'm done with you mister.

Quoted so stupidity cannot be edited.

[GSBoek]

Alright fellows, quit the back and forth already, this isn't the newbie section for nothing. :)

I have to address a few things though for the newbie :D


The 1zzfe holds 10psi of boost with stock internals without a sweat.You do understand that it's not boost that breaks an engine but horsepower? 10psi on a dinky turbo is not the same as 10psi on a big one. With one you'll be adding 30 whp with the other you might as well be adding 200 and break the toothpick rods the 1ZZ has.



I see all forums people crying because they broke their 2zzs and I don see anyone crying because their 1zz is... User error. A lot more people abusing the 2ZZ compared to those with the 1ZZ. It really is as simple as that. Now run a search of how many people broke their 1ZZ driving normally and you'll be opened to a whole new world.

Also, throw 2nd gear bad on a 2zz and boom, no more 2zz... I don't know where you get that from. The only way you can throw 2nd gear bad is if you misshift, which again is user error. Misshift going balls to the wall with a 1ZZ and it's equally gone. :shrugs:

the money I save from buying a 2zz, I put it in the 1zz, it'll kick 2zzs ass. Period.No it won't, unless you can turbo your 1ZZ for $1800. Throw $1800 to a N/A 1ZZ and watch a bonestock 2ZZ still walk you.

Also it has never broken or anything Consider yourself lucky that Toyota addressed the oil consumption issues of the 1ZZ by the time it made it into the Corolla.


The 2zzge is more fragile Not at all, if anything the 1ZZ is the more fragile of the two.

[ajh1717]

^ You are going to be labeled a 1zz hatar!!!11

[evolutionz]

Well this is just too funny lol!! Yall guys will keepgoing back n forth.

[GSBoek]

You are going to be labeled a 1zz hatar!!!11 It's a perk I live with when I correct erroneous information. The 1ZZ is a good engine, the 2ZZ is just better. Both can make serious power if you throw the book at them, the 2ZZ will just make more anytime.

Top dawg 1ZZ was sitting at 550 whp if I'm not mistaken. Top dawg 2ZZ is sitting at 758whp. Both had the book and a lot of money thrown at them.

[Joykillur_DP]

maybe in puerto rico... its backwards.. and you two are agreeing with eachother



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[GSBoek]

We are, that's why I didn't address the power production capabilities in post 29, just the parts that weren't correct.

[boothten]

Both had the book and too much money thrown at them.
Fixed.
:o:

[Joykillur_DP]

lol

[GSBoek]

It's their money anyways. :)

[CeliRollaPR]

It's a perk I live with when I correct erroneous information. The 1ZZ is a good engine, the 2ZZ is just better. Both can make serious power if you throw the book at them, the 2ZZ will just make more anytime.

Top dawg 1ZZ was sitting at 550 whp if I'm not mistaken. Top dawg 2ZZ is sitting at 758whp. Both had the book and a lot of money thrown at them.


of course man. I completely agree with you. I love both engines. Right know I have the 1zz, so i'll work on it. For the money it will cost me to find a 2zz here, install it, have no car for like a week, and then turbo it, it's just not possible. With the 1zz i dont have to yank the engine, there are parts aplenty for it and i can turbo it in a couple of days. I don't want any problems and we're all here to learn. Also, nobody expects a Corolla, much less a 1zz to run hard... ;)

Thanks for the comments.

[ajh1717]

of course man. I completely agree with you. I love both engines. Right know I have the 1zz, so i'll work on it. For the money it will cost me to find a 2zz here, install it, have no car for like a week, and then turbo it, it's just not possible. With the 1zz i dont have to yank the engine, there are parts aplenty for it and i can turbo it in a couple of days

A swap can be done in hours. The 2zz swap is a direct swap/bolt up.

[ajh1717]

Also, what I just realized is that with the mods you have done, you could have been somewhere around half the cost of a used 2zz. The mods you are planning also would put you pretty close to the cost of used 2zz.

Seriously, save for the dam 2zz. It stock makes more power than your 1zz with the mods. I'm not ''dissing'' you or your car, just telling you straight up. It isn't worth the money that you are putting into it.

[Joykillur_DP]

just drop a wrx sti engine in.. and then put evo rims on the front.. then you could call it an celievorollabaru sti.

[CeliRollaPR]

yes I would've been half of the 2zzge swap, but i would have a stock Corolla and I wouldn't enjoyed it as much as I have. But thanks for the suggestions and I will have my 2zz one day, but not now. Also, I'm still paying it.

[RTZCeli]

:wave:

[ajh1717]

yes I would've been half of the 2zzge swap, but i would have a stock Corolla and I wouldn't enjoyed it as much as I have. But thanks for the suggestions and I will have my 2zz one day, but not now. Also, I'm still paying it.

i never knew an auto 1zz can be so fun, in a rolla

[CleanLinen]

The only way a 2zz could be even remotely used for performance would be in a exige PERIOD.