New 2ZZ-GE Power Record - 823whp

[monkeywrench]

Update: 823whp now at post #50

We're getting our LSR Celica ready for the 2011 season and I did some tuning last night. Current specs:

MWR built 2ZZ-GE 1.8L
- MWR rods
- Mahle 9:1 pistons
- MWR cams, valves, springs, retainers
- MWR dry sump oil system
- Standard MWR ARP head and main studs
- Stock head gasket
- MWR underdrive pulleys
- NGK BKR7E spark plugs
- Stock coils
- MWR AEM EMS computer

MWR turbo system
- MWR equal length tubular header
- Borg-Warner turbo
- 4" exhaust
- Tial wastegate
- MWR air-water intercooler

MWR E153 transmission
- 3.9 Camry final drive
- Kaaz LSD
- ACT XTG4 clutch
- MWR standard E153 swap lightweight flywheel
- MWR standard E153 swap Celica axles

We've switched over to E98 (98% Ethanol) fuel which allows more boost than the E85 we've run in the past. This fuel requires a higher volume fuel system so we ran out of injector capacity pretty quickly and rather than risking running too lean on the top end I stopped the tuning at 37psi (only!!) and did not rev it to our typical 9000+ rpm. Larger injectors are on order so we can turn it up a bit more. I'm hoping to see 800whp. We are running a 1.8L now for development because we plan to run our special 1.5L at Bonneville later this year to go after that record. For all out power I'd run the 2.0L and that's probably what we'll switch to next year.

http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/images/Dyno/mwrlsrcelica758whp.jpg

[jasonc624]

WOW ON A 2zz thats incredible.

[blacktsport]

That's just outrageous! :eek::D:king:

[zzt231 gr]

This is awesome!Is it a world record?

[lVlemphizStylez]

what BW turbo are you running

[Akita]

holy smoke

[monkeywrench]

what BW turbo are you running

S366. It is efficient to 800whp or so, good for a bit more than that. That's on gasoline too so we should see a bit more on E98.

[the ronin]

Matt, I'm on the dyno tomorrow send me your cam timing and ignition maps....:wiggle:

[purpleharo]

that is awesome!! 2zz is producing better numbers every year!

[UniQgTs]

Congrates Matt and the whole Monkey Wrench Racing team on the new power goals. I was wondering if you guys were still working on your Celica or if you guys have been just working with that new Lotus. Anyways keep up the good work and Ill keep checking to see for when you guys hit 800whp!!!

[monkeywrench]

Matt, I'm on the dyno tomorrow send me your cam timing and ignition maps....:wiggle:

Not sure how much that would help you. The different fuel changes everything for ignition timing. The turbo size (backpressure) and the fuel also have a big influence on the VVT settings.

For those interested, we're running a maximum of 12 degrees of ignition advance at high boost, less through the midrange. Very conservative at the moment. I engage VVL during spoolup (4400 I think) and have the intake cam fully advanced until 6500 or so when I start to retard it a bit. The settings are surprisingly close to the settings for an NA engine except for the early VVL engagement of course. NA and small turbo like later VVL, big turbo likes earlier VVL.

[Smaay]

wow, i better step it up

[Soon2beriding]

hummm i see some competition going on here :)

[mrfunny107]

thats alot of HP for a front wheel drive car. Hope to see more. :D Pics and vids????

[monkeywrench]

wow, i better step it up

No fair using the Supra.

[Omnious]

Zombie Jabesus.... :eek:

[Boosted2.0]

Thats incredible - great numbers Matt! Let me know if you are interested in an intake manifold - I'll send you one on my dime just to see if we can't get you closer to 800 without the stroker.

[Gcxrs05]

Congrats on the badass numbers/Record, looking forward to see that beast on my next visit in March.

[parano]

holy f***** wow congrat matt :thumbup:

[Smaay]

No fair using the Supra.


oh no this will be in my celica. if you can do it so can I

[1fastae101]

impresive

[Celica GT Layne]

superb! definitely something to be proud of

[newgrounds8790]

just amazing

[Izzyxrs05]

Flawless victory

[StrikerFury]

Wanna trade your motor for my stock 2zz? :gap:

[vindiCAtor]

Gooooood night! That is incredible!

[Illusive]

Congrats nice results.

[kortik]

Great!!!!

[youngxlos]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/youngxlos/Ijizzinmypants.png

[GSBoek]

Impressive. :AF:

[Magusownz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/youngxlos/Ijizzinmypants.png

x2 x2 x2! :wiggle: for mwr's celica and your sig!

[ikhaffaji]

That's really impressive. I give you guys lots of props for that :thumbup:

[fraugts]

Props...very nice job.

[evilthorne]

Great job Matt. Little disappointed there were no videos though.

[Punkers7465]

amazing work, keep it up!

edit: any video? :)

[1d0_2ZZ]

:bowdown:

[2NDchnceCELI]

oh no this will be in my celica. if you can do it so can I

bitter sweet rivalry between mechanics is always a great way to break records! :laugh:

[fatboys2zz]

just e`ffin amazing

congrats MWR!

[Gootz311]

37psi. :eek:

[lVlemphizStylez]

37psi. :eek:

it's an S366....that's perfectly normal. In fact...running that turbo anywhere under 28-30 psi is just a waste of a lot of turbo

aka big boy turbos

[02celica]

That's weak sh1t.

:chuckles: crazy numbers, congrats guys! Would love to see a video of it on the dyno.

[bt216]

wow, i better step it up
+1 :evil:
I'll send you one on my dime just to see if we can't get you closer to 800 without the stroker.
sure and I have to pay for mine
Is it a world record?
until contested yes.

[Boosted2.0]

+1 :evil:

sure and I have to pay for mine

until contested yes.

Hush - you got yours at $50 below cost.

[the ronin]

Now to see that engine in a front wheel drive Celica on street tires doing more than a 5 sec. dyno pull....... Dude I just wanna see it pull through the gears if it can.....Let's see the video...oh yeah not until things thaw out I know....dam

[xantonin]

This is impressive. I wish I had the money and time to drive my car out to MWR, drop it off and have it beefed up.

[lVlemphizStylez]

Now to see that engine in a front wheel drive Celica on street tires doing more than a 5 sec. dyno pull....... Dude I just wanna see it pull through the gears if it can.....Let's see the video...oh yeah not until things thaw out I know....dam

I'm pretty sure they are going to put it on a drag strip....

[Boosted2.0]

I'm pretty sure they are going to put it on a drag strip....

Yup - thats my understanding as well.

[Celicasaur]

Pretty incredible, being a 1.8 and with still loads more to go.

I think you guys should definately take up Dave's offer on the intake manifold....I'd like to believe that by simply bolting it onto the existing set up and making minimal changes (to bring the map to the same state of tune as it is right now), it should comfortably take you over the 800 mark...

Congrats and well done - keep up the awesome work :)

[SilverStorm]

Man those are some scary numbers in how light our cars are!! :chuckles: Absolutely sick though guys! Keep up the great work!!

[monkeywrench]

I couldn't edit the subject line of the 758whp thread so here's an update.

http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/images/Dyno/mwrlsrcelica823whp.jpg

823whp!!!

I am thoroughly impressed by the 2ZZ engine. Who would have thought that an open deck aluminum engine with a stock crankshaft could make such power without major structural improvements? The turbo race engines that I build for customers all the time are every bit as strong as this one. So much potential.

This is about the limit for the current turbo. The new 2150cc injectors are also maxed out (AGAIN!) so there is really no room to turn the boost up further without more injector. Last, I think we've finally found the limit of the stock coils. At 41psi there is an occasional misfire. At 42psi the spark gets blown out even at 0.020" gap.

Bottom line is several bits of the current setup are at their limit right now. We don't really need more power for the type of racing this car does so I think it'll stay at this power level for a while. Of course if someone puts up a bigger # we'll have to reconsider :)

I'm editing the video file right now.

The car's specs remain the same:

MWR built 2ZZ-GE 1.8L
- MWR rods
- Mahle 9:1 pistons
- MWR cams, valves, springs, retainers
- MWR dry sump oil system
- Standard MWR ARP head and main studs
- Stock head gasket
- MWR underdrive pulleys
- NGK BKR7E spark plugs
- Stock coils
- MWR AEM EMS computer

MWR turbo system
- MWR equal length tubular header
- Borg-Warner turbo
- 4" exhaust
- Tial wastegate
- MWR air-water intercooler

MWR E153 transmission
- 3.9 Camry final drive
- Kaaz LSD
- ACT XTG4 clutch
- MWR standard E153 swap lightweight flywheel
- MWR standard E153 swap Celica axles

[celica760]

:bowdown: Thats just crazy.

[jdmravi]

:eek::burnout:

[partyball]

I just came

[celica760]

waiting for videos

[Blade_gt]

Amazing!!! Congrats :thumbup:

[x310gtsx]

damn :thumbup:

[blacktsport]

Ho-Ly shieeeet

That is all. :bowdown:

[UniQgTs]

:faint:.....Once again nice job

[Punkers7465]

awesome!!! congrats!!!

[Smaay]

Mother of GOD!

[monkeywrench]

YouTube - Monkeywrench Racing LSR Celica - 823whp dyno pull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDMJSIk8P00)

[youngxlos]

HOLLY $HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
congrats MWR!

[MonsterManDingo]

What Borg Warner turbo are you using on this setup.

[bt216]

Holy sh!t. Doesnt look like a very drivable powerband though :chuckles:

:thumbup: I'm glad you guys keep pushing the envelope.

[vindiCAtor]

:eek:

You guys are wrecking havoc - keep it up!!!

[bt216]

sorry I had to add...

200whp@5000 rpms to over 800whp in ~2500 rpms :chuckles: that is just fvcking nuts :thumbup:

[fatboys2zz]

cool beans!

[Magusownz]

insane! :AF:

You've helped our community alot

[fraugts]

Nice job, guys.

[The__J__Factor]

Pretty awesome - but **** trying to drive that around

[lilmexicanoboi]

"By golly, I think he's got it!"

You guys are Jesus...

[monkeywrench]

What Borg Warner turbo are you using on this setup.

S366. It's a very efficient turbo that makes great power especially at high pressure ratios but it's not exactly streetable. We're getting into their new EFR turbos now which are simply amazing for spoolup and power production.

[GSBoek]

:thumbup:

[purpleharo]

very nice guys!! lets see that thing at the strip

[2NDchnceCELI]

Holy freakin christ batman! That is just insane! Great job Monkey Wrench Team!

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[the ronin]

Dude cool but can you show a 15 sec. 4th gear pull from 2,500 rpm to 8,500 rpm video....?

:AF:Doesn't look like this could ever be driven on the road or any track with turns....

[monkeywrench]

Dude cool but can you show a 15 sec. 4th gear pull from 2,500 rpm to 8,500 rpm video....?

:AF:Doesn't look like this could ever be driven on the road or any track with turns....

That's not the point. I should have some 0:30 to 2:00 minute videos of 6k-9k pulls later this year though.

It wouldn't be my first choice but could definitely be driven on any kind of track except an autocross, at lower boost of course. If you let revs drop below 6k with a 2ZZ in any racing situation you're doing something wrong.

[the ronin]

Really..?????...... Maybe you have never driven in the canyons or a real road course with a E153 gearbox....... If you have no boost or torque below 4,000 rpm it's time to go home and add a supercharger.....
With the tall gears of the E153 you need boost below 3,500 rpm.... But what do I know since I drive my car in the canyons and on track with turns....Tall gears and monster turbo and you are screwed big time...peaky power and wheelspin get you no where fast..

Still nice numbers for a 5 sec. 5,000 rpm start and a 8,600 rpm finish front wheel drive dyno queen.....On the street it will be a fucckin joke and a danger...


Not Hatin just Statin...:wiggle:

[tranmk]

Really..?????...... Maybe you have never driven in the canyons or a real road course with a E153 gearbox....... If you have no boost or torque below 4,000 rpm it's time to go home and add a supercharger.....
With the tall gears of the E153 you need boost below 3,500 rpm.... But what do I know since I drive my car in the canyons and on track with turns....Tall gears and monster turbo and you are screwed big time...peaky power and wheelspin get you no where fast..

Still nice numbers for a 5 sec. 5,000 rpm start and a 8,600 rpm finish front wheel drive dyno queen.....On the street it will be a fucckin joke and a danger...


Not Hatin just Statin...:wiggle:

i'd say take your videos and stay on the track buddy. we all know that you drive safe as possible. but one mishap and you'll drive off of the cliff, or mechanical failure and hurt someone. :wiggle:

[GSBoek]

I merged the threads and added an update line on the first post.

[the ronin]

i'd say take your videos and stay on the track buddy. we all know that you drive safe as possible. but one mishap and you'll drive off of the cliff, or mechanical failure and hurt someone. :wiggle:
That goes without sayin for everyone here...you don't have to go more than 40 to wreck bad...... But think of the torque steer when a high output Celica lights em up in traffic or on a road course.....Out of control and dangerous with anything close to MWR power...

Just sayin..

[kortik]

Wow that just crazy

[monkeywrench]

Really..?????...... Maybe you have never driven in the canyons or a real road course with a E153 gearbox....... If you have no boost or torque below 4,000 rpm it's time to go home and add a supercharger.....
With the tall gears of the E153 you need boost below 3,500 rpm.... But what do I know since I drive my car in the canyons and on track with turns....Tall gears and monster turbo and you are screwed big time...peaky power and wheelspin get you no where fast..

Still nice numbers for a 5 sec. 5,000 rpm start and a 8,600 rpm finish front wheel drive dyno queen.....On the street it will be a fucckin joke and a danger...


I'm not sure why you'd think this was a street or canyon car... I think this car's purpose has been laid out pretty plainly. For drag racing or LSR racing the powerband is plenty wide.

For other applications like road course racing you'd obviously want a gear-dependent boost controller like the AVC-R plus some driving skill and grip proportional to the power level. If you're getting uncontrolled wheel spin or are losing control of the vehicle you need to run less boost in that gear or modulate throttle better. Simple. You'd size the turbo for your max power level. If you wanted 500whp you'd run a GT30R which is at full boost around 4k rpm, even earlier with a stroker. Very drivable on the street or track.

In competition on a road course a 2ZZ should never see 3500rpm. With or without a supercharger you'd be losing the race. Cruising through the canyons is different. With a 9k rpm rev limit you can keep revs at 6k+ around a road course with an E153 shifting like a pro. Not too bad. If you're really in a competition environment and want tighter ratios it's as simple as adding the Kaaz close ratio gear set to the E153.

I'm sure many people think your car is a danger on the street Frank :) To each his own.

[Boosted2.0]

Incredible numbers Matt - Kudos!

I can't wait to see how well it holds together. I have my fingers crossed that come next winter we're all marveling over how well its been holding together.

[Boosted2.0]

Really..?????...... Maybe you have never driven in the canyons or a real road course with a E153 gearbox....... If you have no boost or torque below 4,000 rpm it's time to go home and add a supercharger.....
With the tall gears of the E153 you need boost below 3,500 rpm.... But what do I know since I drive my car in the canyons and on track with turns....Tall gears and monster turbo and you are screwed big time...peaky power and wheelspin get you no where fast..

Still nice numbers for a 5 sec. 5,000 rpm start and a 8,600 rpm finish front wheel drive dyno queen.....On the street it will be a fucckin joke and a danger...


Not Hatin just Statin...:wiggle:

Dude - this is in a race only drag car. Who the hell cares what it would be like on the street as a daily driver? You don't DD a car like this....

You might as well rag on a car thats set up for autocross or road course for not being a great drag car - Whats the point?

[the ronin]

Its a known fact that autocross and drag cars suck.....sorry but it is a fact...Why would anyone put tons of money into a car for 10-45 seconds of fun only to have to rebuild it when it goes to shiet half way down the 1/4 mi.

Sorry but you can not keep a E153 happy on a road course at 6,000rpm with only 3,000rpm to play with.....That's total bull shiet.......Now put short gears in and what the fucck do you do for traction?..
My old group B's were in the 4.500-9,000rpm range with 600-900hp with monster turbos, they were 4x4 and always in the total fucckyou in the asses zone when you gave it the full monty.....

Nice numbers Matt but totaly a waste of time and money...... I think I know more about this ****e than anyone here when it comes to puttin the R$D bucks on the line......

Alcohol belongs in a tall stem glass with an olive....

[grumpy]

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one and some insiit that their's is the only one that smells "sweet". No matter what anyone else thinks.

[bt216]

I think matt shouldn't have defended it for anything other then lsr/strip performance.

[evensen007]

Its a known fact that autocross and drag cars suck.....sorry but it is a fact...Why would anyone put tons of money into a car for 10-45 seconds of fun only to have to rebuild it when it goes to shiet half way down the 1/4 mi.

Sorry but you can not keep a E153 happy on a road course at 6,000rpm with only 3,000rpm to play with.....That's total bull shiet.......Now put short gears in and what the fucck do you do for traction?..
My old group B's were in the 4.500-9,000rpm range with 600-900hp with monster turbos, they were 4x4 and always in the total fucckyou in the asses zone when you gave it the full monty.....

Nice numbers Matt but totaly a waste of time and money...... I think I know more about this ****e than anyone here when it comes to puttin the R$D bucks on the line......

Alcohol belongs in a tall stem glass with an olive....

This old grouch has to be the biggest hater on the site. Boggles my mind that he wastes his time worrying about a Celica forum.

[bt216]

If you can't see franks side you're an idiot.

[monkeywrench]

It's too bad some people don't have a more open mind about performance modification. I love our yellow Lotus V6 which spends most of its time on the street and runs some autocross and track days. I love our MR2-S that is mainly just for street and an occasional autocross. I love the LSR Celica because it's so outlandish and because it gives us such a great opportunity to really push the limits of the 2ZZ platform. I love our customers' dedicated road race Toyotas and Lotuses that we build and/or maintain.

Having built everything from dedicated autocross cars to hardcore road race cars to drag and LSR cars to street only cars gives us a lot of different experience to draw from. Sometimes you learn something from a road race car that can be applied to a drag car, etc. You'd be surprised.

Frank and I speak on the phone every now and then. It's always a friendly conversation .

[Boosted2.0]

Its a known fact that autocross and drag cars suck.....sorry but it is a fact...Why would anyone put tons of money into a car for 10-45 seconds of fun only to have to rebuild it when it goes to shiet half way down the 1/4 mi.

Sorry but you can not keep a E153 happy on a road course at 6,000rpm with only 3,000rpm to play with.....That's total bull shiet.......Now put short gears in and what the fucck do you do for traction?..
My old group B's were in the 4.500-9,000rpm range with 600-900hp with monster turbos, they were 4x4 and always in the total fucckyou in the asses zone when you gave it the full monty.....

Nice numbers Matt but totaly a waste of time and money...... I think I know more about this ****e than anyone here when it comes to puttin the R$D bucks on the line......

Alcohol belongs in a tall stem glass with an olive....


Sorry dude, going to have to disagree again. This is why they make garages that hold more than one car. I have a truck to pull my trailer. Its not my daily driver - my tC is. Its not my family hauler of choice - my Sienna is. These vehicles all have different purposes and do what they are intended to do very well.

Once you really get into a particular motorsport and you get competitive with it, trying to run a daily driven car in it is hard to do. The most competitive cars are always purpose built.

Matt's car will smoke yours down a drag strip and in a top speed competition. Yours will smoke him in the canyons or on a track.

This is OK - they have different purposes. Yes, your setup is awesome and allows your car to be useful for a number of applications, but by your logic an F1 car sucks because it can't be daily driven and handles like **** before the aero kicks in....

[Punkers7465]

Its a known fact that autocross and drag cars suck.....sorry but it is a fact...

http://files.myopera.com/drlaunch/albums/94593/thumbs/no-not-rly001.jpg_thumb.jpg

[lilmexicanoboi]

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one and some insiit that their's is the only one that smells "sweet". No matter what anyone else thinks.

I'm sorry, but that was absolutely terrible.

[the ronin]

Come on ladies can't you feel someone pullin your leg ?
I'm pissed my car isn't 800+ hp and if it were I'd be drivin it in the canyons till it killed me and that's a fact....
If you don't think I respect the R$D that Matt put into this project you're an fucckin idiot.....;



Lighten up ladies life gets shorter every day..:wiggle:

[2NDchnceCELI]

:laugh: Ronin you crack me up, you dont do this too often thats why people took you serious!:wiggle:

matt those numbers are amazing and im sure you'll hit 900+hp once you stroke it and g/l!:thumbup:

[lpphreakx06]

Nice work!

[Boosted2.0]

Come on ladies can't you feel someone pullin your leg ?
I'm pissed my car isn't 800+ hp and if it were I'd be drivin it in the canyons till it killed me and that's a fact....
If you don't think I respect the R$D that Matt put into this project you're an fucckin idiot.....;



Lighten up ladies life gets shorter every day..:wiggle:


Pull the other one, its got bells on :naughty:

[the ronin]

Great chicks with three legs and dangly bits...:eek:

[TRlPPlN]

Great chicks with three legs and dangly bits..
LMAO...thats just not right.

damn 800+ hp is nuts.

[Genomaxter]

I always assumed Ronin was always critical in a "I like you enough to kill you last" sorta way. Nothing to be taken serious until your the last man standing.

[the ronin]

Hey Saully I lied....:D


Matt what kind of discharge temps are you seeing with your chargecooler that looks a lot like mine.?.:D

Have you been able to keep it at sustained loads on the dyno in order to get things up to land speed temps ?

[Smaay]

Hey Saully I lied....

It was Sully, and what happened to him?.......I let him go.....
http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/commando.jpg

[bluhawk]

:headbang: is there a video? :drool:

[smart_rocket]

before posting BS in a awesome thread of MWR you should think twice, respect MWR and be thankful what all they've done for us.. w/o MWR the 2zz scene wouldn't rock half the way it does

MWR

=

823whp

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:king:

[GSBoek]

^Uhm...at who was that directed? I have a feeling you didn't read the whole thread.

[Smaay]

before posting BS in a awesome thread of MWR you should think twice, respect MWR and be thankful what all they've done for us.. w/o MWR the 2zz scene wouldn't rock half the way it does

I was here before MWR, learn it, live it, know it!

[vip09]

Very impressive! There are only a handful of 3S-GTE's making this kind of power. Congrats MWR!

[monkeywrench]

Come on ladies can't you feel someone pullin your leg ?
I'm pissed my car isn't 800+ hp and if it were I'd be drivin it in the canyons till it killed me and that's a fact....
If you don't think I respect the R$D that Matt put into this project you're an fucckin idiot.....;


Frank's just setting you all up for when he posts his 1000whp dyno chart :) Just need to add a second turbo and second supercharger...

[the ronin]

shhhhhhhh......it's a secret...dam now everyone knows.....:wiggle: