got smoke by a civic si on the way home [Archive]

ctkrider

11-06-2001, 11:25 PM

Did you downshift into the right gear? If so, did you rev match when you down shifted? A civic si should not pull on you on the freeway. I can understand if you lost from a stop (if he got a better launch then you..etc..) but on the highway, you should have pulled on him. Unless his car had some pretty decent mods, you shouldn't have lost.

11-06-2001, 11:25 PM

man if your really thinkin about tradin your car just cuz you lost a race.. then, maybe you should http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smile.gif

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LEAVECIVICSINTHEDUST

11-06-2001, 11:29 PM

YOU LOST TO A CIVIC!!!!! WTF??
And by the way, I am moving this topic. lol

BpuTacoma

11-06-2001, 11:31 PM

VTEC= very tiny expensive crap

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yakkosmurf

11-07-2001, 06:09 AM

Do you have an auto GTS? He may have had an engine swap. It either was far from stock, or you suck at driving. http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/biggrin.gif And why do you want to trade your GTS in for something slower if you're upset about losing to an Si?

This message has been edited by yakkosmurf on November 07, 2001 at 09:11 AM

yakkosmurf

11-07-2001, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by BpuTacoma:
VTEC= very tiny expensive crap

This coming from a guy that drives a truck? Have you ever driven a car with an aggressive VTEC system? Just asking.

The Game

11-07-2001, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by BpuTacoma:
VTEC= very tiny expensive crap

WERDTM

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Keyshawn

11-07-2001, 07:29 AM

Gotta remember, Civics have something we don't....an aftermarket. An Si with a turbo or s/c would be able to smoke a GT-S easily. As a Celica owner, that's just something ya gotta live with.

Keyshawn

11-07-2001, 07:31 AM

Maximus,
Trading your car in is one option. Just accepting it is another. Trying to get aftermarket parts made for our car is a third, but there's no guarantees with that one. The choice is yours.

MarkyMark

11-07-2001, 07:36 AM

I'm guessing you have an auto GTS and he had a somewhat modded SI. For the rest of the week you have to wear a paper bag on your head http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Takeoff

11-07-2001, 07:58 AM

No one knows what he had under the hood. I got beaten by a civic and del sol. I know they both weren't stock because they we're loaded w/ stickers. You will never be able to beat everyone so just accept it. Wait for the TC/SC to come out and do some ass whipping. Like someone already said, honda/acura has an aftermarket.

vvtlikick

11-07-2001, 08:24 AM

Kry

11-07-2001, 08:31 AM

sigh~

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11-07-2001, 08:37 AM

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meaning he DID downshift if he floored it. makes it more sad, haha.

rest assured, if you both didn't downshift and did a top gear pull from the speed limit, you'd probably win http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/wink.gif that and you'd win in reverse <IMG SRC="http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smilies/cwm5.gif" border=0>

Miguel GTS

11-07-2001, 12:22 PM

i don't understand why you all some times get so imature and hate on the si i know of one si that is very ****in fast he beat me by a good shot and i consider myself a more than average driver

this guy has I/SS/6puck clutch/and a Type-r head

and he is fast

Rice Rocket

11-07-2001, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by maximus:
I was going today and his civic si came up next to me, and started full up.I try to ignore it but he keep pulling up next to me.
So I step on the gas and started racing in the highway.He smoke my GTS.I'm ashamed I to
trade this car to BMW 325ci or is300 soon.
What do you think??????????

Yeah I lost to SI also. I know how you feel man. That was when I first bought the Celi and had about 150 miles on it. That mofo was powershifting. I didn't even see his ass jerk from shifting or anything. The thing just pulled like an automatic. We raced from a light and went up like 90 on street. Man I just couldn't pull on him. At the stop he gave me a thumbs up. Man that pissed me up even more. I interepreted it as him saying good job keeping up with him.
Well that was last year and I still remember not to mention anger inside me. Ever since man I've been killing SI's at every oppotunity I get. I know the guy lives around my area and I am still looking for his ass now. Man I want rematch badd with that dude. All his gonna hear now is my Kazuma shaking and raping his ass.

yakkosmurf

11-07-2001, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Takeoff:
I know they both weren't stock because they we're loaded w/ stickers.

Since when is this the definition of not stock?

Rice Rocket

11-07-2001, 07:50 PM

yakkosmurf

11-07-2001, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Rice Rocket:
Yeah I lost to SI also. I know how you feel man. That was when I first bought the Celi and had about 150 miles on it. That mofo was powershifting. I didn't even see his ass jerk from shifting or anything. The thing just pulled like an automatic. We raced from a light and went up like 90 on street. Man I just couldn't pull on him. At the stop he gave me a thumbs up. Man that pissed me up even more. I interepreted it as him saying good job keeping up with him.
Well that was last year and I still remember not to mention anger inside me. Ever since man I've been killing SI's at every oppotunity I get. I know the guy lives around my area and I am still looking for his ass now. Man I want rematch badd with that dude. All his gonna hear now is my Kazuma shaking and raping his ass.

What did you want from him? A thumbs down or a middle finger up? You just took it the wrong way. If he beat you before, I doubt adding just an exhaust is going to help you much. He'll probably just beat you again.

Rice Rocket

11-07-2001, 08:14 PM

No HE IS NOT GONNA BEAT ME AGAIN. Assuming that he didn't Charged his SI.
Mine was stock back then. I didn't know how to drive my Celica to the limit. Heck I didn't even land on the lift when I shifted and I shifted at the redline not 8300. When you push your Celica to the limit it makes a big difference. And I didn't think I was doing that with that SI.
And I know how my car felt before.
Btw I have Injen short ram intake also.

Carboy

11-07-2001, 08:23 PM

First off. Which BMW were you thinking of trading the car in for? If it's the 330 Ci, go for it, at least you know there is a good aftermarket for it. The IS300, get the manual, I believe it puts down a great deal more than the Auto did, and you can't argue about now not having an aftermarket.

As for the Si versus GT-S. I'll tell you this, all things being equal, GT-S has the win. I've won against numerous of GT-Ss, I've lost to more. Don't get too big headed though. Alot of you sound too confident, I'm almost sure that sooner or later you're going to run into an Si that looks stock and sounds stock but will hand you your A$$ on a platter. Not flaming here, but I've see stock looking GS-Rs and SIs(No NOS) walk a Teg R with I/JDM Header and 2.5 high flow cat by 3 car lengths at 80. It looked stock, sounded stock, well, you can hear the intake, but faster than stock. Power isn't everything, speed is found through drivetrain mods also. Hondas are known to be sleepers, hope your ready when you wake a mean one up.

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This message has been edited by Carboy on November 07, 2001 at 11:26 PM

maximus

11-07-2001, 10:30 PM

Well I did not floor the pedals but,I was going 120 mph in the highway.I'm looking at
BMW 325ci maybe I can kick some but with this
car.The civic look stock but you never what they got underneath the engine bay..So thank's for the response.

Stripe GT2

11-08-2001, 05:43 AM

Dammit Arnell, You need to come out sometime and stop staying in your cave you call home. Then your driving wouldn't have been as rusty. http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/biggrin.gif Talk about a guy who lives just a few blocks away and you never see him.<IMG SRC="http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smilies/cwm13.gif" border=0>

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static

11-08-2001, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by maximus:
Well I did not floor the pedals but,I was going 120 mph in the highway.I'm looking at
BMW 325ci maybe I can kick some but with this
car.The civic look stock but you never what they got underneath the engine bay..So thank's for the response.

IF you want to be fast.. you're looking at the wrong cars. YOu might as well get a manual GTS and learn how to drive it. It's faster than Both of those cars you mentioned. Just because it's German, doesn't mean it's a fast car.

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11-08-2001, 10:42 AM

Why is it so hard to believe that an SI can't beat a GTS? It's true that a GTS would win most of the races stock, but find a tuned SI and you'll see they'll be right there with you or ahead of you. Yes, in the past I've stated that there's no SI that I've lost too, but there's a lot that's given me a good run. I ran one a week ago on the freeway and he pulls besides me and drops it w/o waiting, so I play catch up. My mistake was I rev-match from 6th to 3rd instead of D.C. into 3rd. By the time I get into 3rd he's got 3 cars on me and at the end of 3rd@8200 I pull car and half behind him and pull to the right to try and pass in 4th and I pull to his rear wheel @105mph and had to stop cause of a slower car and pulled behind him again and he flashes his lights cause there's traffic ahead. The Si from what I heard and saw had I/E/lowered. I've ran Turbo and SuperCharged Si's at the track and that's not even close. Si's can be Rocket's too and they're not just all show and if you lived in SoCal you'll see them everywhere like you do Camry's.

Where's KleeftonSi in this thread?? It's a damn SI post..

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CL MaNTis 21

11-08-2001, 10:42 AM

i smoked the crap out of a si this past weekend with my GST. (eclipse)

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Oo DaRk StAr oO

11-08-2001, 11:49 AM

People seem to think that because something says HONDA or VTEC or Si or R that its better. SH-T ima pit an Si Sticker on my car must get 10hp extra a Letter... LOL!

Face it people WE HAVE NO AFTERMARKET!!!

Once we do well be laughing at them. Actually the sad thing is that stock GT and GTS's can keep up with Riced out Hondas.

Give it time!

VTEC= Very Timid and Exhausted Civic

yakkosmurf

11-08-2001, 02:24 PM

It's not just Hondas that are riced out. I've seen my share of new Celicas on this board and on the street that were pretty heavy on the white stuff. Sorry, but no stock and most modified GTS's aren't going to keep up with my "riced out" Honda.

11-08-2001, 04:54 PM

this thread is pointless, read what he wrote:

Well I did not floor the pedals but,I was going 120 mph in the highway.I'm looking at
BMW 325ci maybe I can kick some but with this
car.The civic look stock but you never what they got underneath the engine bay..So thank's for the response.

sounds like he had an auto and wasn't even flooring it. well, sorry to break it to you, but the Si probably was flooring it, and shifting quickly. maybe if you kept the pedal down ALL the way the entire time, and maybe used your sportshift too, it would've been a race instead of a cruising highway match.

i doubt changing the car will let you beat that Si. at least not anything on that list. maybe you should go for an LS1-powered car.

Supralicious

11-09-2001, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf:
Sorry, but no stock and most modified GTS's aren't going to keep up with my "riced out" Honda.

Oh really? Has this been set in stone? In my world, ITRs are small change...

TRD StreetRacing

11-09-2001, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Keyshawn:
Gotta remember, Civics have something we don't....an aftermarket. An Si with a turbo or s/c would be able to smoke a GT-S easily. As a Celica owner, that's just something ya gotta live with.

good point cuz i got a civic SI around my way that has been worked up the balls and he is running 21lbs boost and runs low 12'z.. that car is f*cking sick......i seen him take a M3 by like 1 car lenght<IMG SRC="http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smilies/cwm31.gif" border=0>

cbr600drm

11-10-2001, 09:07 AM

I now guy who has a civic hatch hybrid. He has a GSR engine in it and all kinds of other ****. There is no telling what all could have been done to that Si.

yakkosmurf

11-10-2001, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Supralicious:
Oh really? Has this been set in stone?

Pretty much. With equal mods, the GTS is not faster. No need to start on the handling issue.

LudeSpeed

11-11-2001, 02:42 PM

Hmmm, I'm not Honda's biggest fan anymore because of my Prelude problems, but you guys are talking about the B16 like it's worthless. A B16 with bolt-ons is NOT slow. Slap on a S/C you have a 13 second car. I don't like Civics anymore than most of you, but just because it's a Honda Civic doesn't mean you'll always win. If you really think you should always beat Civics I've got a friend with a T3/T04 turbo LS/VTEC who would have no problem proving you wrong.

11-11-2001, 03:01 PM

Pretty much. With equal mods, the GTS is not faster. No need to start on the handling issue.

you forgot to mention equally capable drivers :p

khmer_VVTLi

01-03-2002, 12:50 PM

civics are something not to mess with, even if it looks stock, but most of those faukers are a bunch of punk azz people thinking their car is fast just because its a civic and they have body kit and crap on it

t2000gts

01-03-2002, 01:10 PM

since this thread has now been brought back from the dead...i re-read it.

Darkstar...you have an auto GT, no? how're you smoking Si(s)? i'm assuming this is before you got a turbo (i dunno if the turbo is even on your car yet, is it? how is that goin?)

AssFauLt

01-03-2002, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by t2000gts
since this thread has now been brought back from the dead...i re-read it.

Darkstar...you have an auto GT, no? how're you smoking Si(s)? i'm assuming this is before you got a turbo (i dunno if the turbo is even on your car yet, is it? how is that goin?)

thats what i was wondering. theres no way any capable driver that was actually trying to race in a civic si would lose to an auto gt. an auto gt would run a mid 16 AT BEST. probably high 16s. dont SI's run in the 15s stock, or at least low 16s.

hell, a civic ex manual would probably beat an auto gt, stock or not, let alone an SI.

Gaps

01-03-2002, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Rice Rocket
No HE IS NOT GONNA BEAT ME AGAIN. Assuming that he didn't Charged his SI.
Mine was stock back then. I didn't know how to drive my Celica to the limit. Heck I didn't even land on the lift when I shifted and I shifted at the redline not 8300. When you push your Celica to the limit it makes a big difference. And I didn't think I was doing that with that SI.
And I know how my car felt before.
Btw I have Injen short ram intake also.

According to your last post you had 150 miles on the car when you raced this Civic? You ran the car to redline with 150 MILES on it!!?? Why do I think we will soon be reading about how you blew the POS motor? BTW, your Celica had some miles to go before full performance could be expected.... though I doubt it runs any better now than it did that day.

WillyK

01-04-2002, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by t2000gts
since this thread has now been brought back from the dead...i re-read it.

Darkstar...you have an auto GT, no? how're you smoking Si(s)? i'm assuming this is before you got a turbo (i dunno if the turbo is even on your car yet, is it? how is that goin?)

I have been wondering this too since I started reading it. Kinda like how Xanatos was boasting that he was "killing Type R's" left and right with his auto gt. Ah well.

My friend has an SI with I/H/E and I have trouble beating him sometimes in my GTS 6 speed. We are usually pretty even with me maybe just a hair ahead up until 3rd gear when I start walking away from him. He wants to put a supercharger in it and when he does I know I won't stand a chance.

HilfigerCelica

01-04-2002, 07:42 AM

Rice Rocket, just face it dude, you got beat by a sleeper.

Bolaber

01-04-2002, 08:37 AM

man~ stop insulting auto! :mad: .. i'll just spend some extra money than ya'll and i'd still be able to smoke your asses,

Tom D

01-04-2002, 09:10 AM

damn this thread is old as ****. Arnell started this thread like 2 months ago and it's still here. He doesn't even have the celi anymore.

Keyshawn

01-04-2002, 09:46 AM

t2000gts,
I don't think the turbo kit is on DarkStar's car yet. I too am wondering how an auto GT can smoke a Civic Si?

DarkStar,
Can you please explain? Also, I thought you had a turboed Civic SiR before the Celi? Did you own that before or after your IS 300? Sorry for all the questions. Just curious.

ZIGGY GTS

01-04-2002, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
I have a GT and I've SMOKED!!!! Civic Si's before. He problly got you because he had the momentum going up and you were ignoring him so you slammed on it with ur momentum neutral and he slammed on it already going foward. Don't worry... Any Celica should be able to beat any Civic thats not Turbo'd or NOS'd out. An IS. I traded my IS for my Celica... LOVE THE CELICA!!! Be patient when the Turbo and other come out for our car... its going to be probly one of the fastest cars on the aftermarket.

VTEC= Very Timid and Exhausted Civic

"any celica should be able to beat any civic thats not turbo'd or NOS'd out" are u on crack , Matt? Seems like u belive in ur celica way too much....I have friends in cerritos who have finely tuned all motor Bseries powered honda's...do u wanna meet us up and bring some celica's? These guys dont run NOS or turbo! If u are gonna knock another car or make...make sure u know enough about them...U dont sound very knowledgable!!!

larryd

01-04-2002, 08:00 PM

haha.. i was like where the hell did this post come from..wow its old ;)

gsport

01-04-2002, 10:33 PM

99-2000 si is heavier than the celica with 20 less hp. i had a 99 si and the best i ran was 15.7 @ 90 mph. all i had was I/H/E and a act clutch.

ZeroGTS

01-05-2002, 03:21 PM

an Si can kick our asses. it has more aftermarket.

if they want to be faster they can. they just need enough money.

we hit our mod limit preetty quick. i just hit the current N/A limit.
unless bullfrog cam's actually do work. in which case.....guess what...noone actually cares enough to get em

we all like the rice. i dunno why.

t2000gts

01-05-2002, 04:56 PM

99-2000 si is heavier than the celica with 20 less hp. i had a 99 si and the best i ran was 15.7 @ 90 mph. all i had was I/H/E and a act clutch.

maybe it was the track where you ran, weather, and/or elevation.

an Si with those mods is capable of hitting nearly a second faster, but only slightly higher trap (i.e, you apparently had the power, but your launch and/or driving might be the culprit).

ZZT 231

01-06-2002, 05:14 AM

i think it has soemthing to do with u'r downgear skills
or do u drive auto?

yakkosmurf

01-07-2002, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by t2000gts

you forgot to mention equally capable drivers :p
At this point I figured that was a given. We're talking about the hardware, not the drivers.

yakkosmurf

01-07-2002, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by AssFauLt

thats what i was wondering. theres no way any capable driver that was actually trying to race in a civic si would lose to an auto gt. an auto gt would run a mid 16 AT BEST. probably high 16s. dont SI's run in the 15s stock, or at least low 16s.

hell, a civic ex manual would probably beat an auto gt, stock or not, let alone an SI.
An auto GT will not make it out of the 17s stock. The auto GTS is lucky to.

AssFauLt

01-07-2002, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

An auto GT will not make it out of the 17s stock. The auto GTS is lucky to.

yeah, i meant an auto gt would run mid 16s at best, thats with like i/e/h, safc, and like stripped interior, it would still be lucky to get mid-high 16s, which isnt quite good enough to "smoke" SI's.

i own an auto gt with i/e, and i know my place on the food chain (way down at the bottom), but believe me, i dont go running around telling everyone i smoke si's, although i have beaten quite a few auto civic ex's with mods.

CelicaNamja79

01-08-2002, 06:51 AM

we have no "AFTERMARKET"..................:D
besides... SI is not a slow a$$ civic... it gave me darn good races...i've won some and lost some.....

okiee this is out of the topic...
IMO our celica has more punch/better torque response than VTEC cars.... i've driven ITR, GS-R, PRELUDE, SI, and many other VTEC cars.. i only hear loud a$$ sound once in VTEC but no significant punch increase compared to GT-S......:yawning

best modification is to learn how to drive :D

t2000gts

01-08-2002, 08:08 AM

to put an end to this. KleeftonSi who hangs out in the racing forum occaisonally, went to a local track and ran 14.6 @ 93 in his I/H/E Si with full interior and no spare i think.

now someone lock this god forsaken topic that refuses to die

yakkosmurf

01-08-2002, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79

okiee this is out of the topic...
IMO our celica has more punch/better torque response than VTEC cars.... i've driven ITR, GS-R, PRELUDE, SI, and many other VTEC cars.. i only hear loud a$$ sound once in VTEC but no significant punch increase compared to GT-S......:yawning

It doesn't sound like you've driven many Hondas. The ITR has a very noticeable VTEC punch. I wasn't expecting it first time I ran the engine up that high. The GSR and Prelude do not have this kick. As for torque response, the Type R and GSR have more useable torque in the midrange rpm compared to the Celica. That's very noticeable when you drive both cars back to back. Something else it sounds like you haven't done.

CelicaNamja79

01-08-2002, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

It doesn't sound like you've driven many Hondas. The ITR has a very noticeable VTEC punch. I wasn't expecting it first time I ran the engine up that high. The GSR and Prelude do not have this kick. As for torque response, the Type R and GSR have more useable torque in the midrange rpm compared to the Celica. That's very noticeable when you drive both cars back to back. Something else it sounds like you haven't done.

I've drove cars listed above on prior post. I drove GS-R and Preludes the most. I've driven many hondas not to mention accord and many other acuras etc......... As far as I am concerned, I did not feel too much of difference with ITR and Prelude's VTEC... it is just loud.... GS-R's midrange torque sucks compared to GT-S. I know, i've driven enuf GS-R...now i dont know about ITR cuz i really did not drive them too much....... GS-R and prelude, for some reason, when in high cam, even when VTEC engages, I really didnt feel too much of punch differences, only thing noticed is that it got loud just like GT-S..... ITR have pull and good punch, but compared to GT-S, it isnt all that.... Basically, IMO... VTEC, at high cam, there aint significant increase of power or punch but really loud.. VVTL-T at high cam, you can feel the punch and pull.... Yakko don't get mad, I am not trying to degrade your ITR man... personally Integra is my favorite car man, but due to personal reasons, i bought Celica.....:D

DaksGT

01-08-2002, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79

I've drove cars listed above on prior post. I drove GS-R and Preludes the most. I've driven many hondas not to mention accord and many other acuras etc......... As far as I am concerned, I did not feel too much of difference with ITR and Prelude's VTEC... it is just loud.... GS-R's midrange torque sucks compared to GT-S. I know, i've driven enuf GS-R...now i dont know about ITR cuz i really did not drive them too much....... GS-R and prelude, for some reason, when in high cam, even when VTEC engages, I really didnt feel too much of punch differences, only thing noticed is that it got loud just like GT-S..... ITR have pull and good punch, but compared to GT-S, it isnt all that.... Basically, IMO... VTEC, at high cam, there aint significant increase of power or punch but really loud.. VVTL-T at high cam, you can feel the punch and pull.... Yakko don't get mad, I am not trying to degrade your ITR man... personally Integra is my favorite car man, but due to personal reasons, i bought Celica.....:D

I've been in a Prelude tons of times and own a 93 civc hatch with a b18c1. And how can u say that the vtec swicth in the lude isn't noticable it ****ing throws u back in the seat. I've driven and been driven in the gt-s and the lift does not ingage as hard as the vtec in the lude, my oppinion. I drove a type r twice in my life and will have to say that without a doubt its the greatest factory fwd car I've driven to date that is available in north america. I prefer the clio williams over it though.
As far as the midrange torque of the gsr compared to the gt, nowhere near the gt, but top end is a different story.

Diesel949X

01-08-2002, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by larryd
man if your really thinkin about tradin your car just cuz you lost a race.. then, maybe you should http://www.newcelica.org/ubb/smile.gif

Hahaha...look at Larry trying to pimp a Celi off someone. :D

yakkosmurf

01-10-2002, 07:33 AM

Namja,

We agree the GSR and Prelude have no significant crossover. However, the reason the GTS has such a jump at 6k is the dip in power from 4500 to 6000. You can see it on most dyno plots. That's why the bump is so large, and it feels like you are accelerating so fast.

t2000gts

01-10-2002, 09:28 AM

the nature of the "kick" when the big cam comes on depends on the profile of the lift cam lobes, rather than what's controlling it (VTEC or i-VTEC or VVTL-i).

so it's by engine, not VTEC vs. VVTL-i. look at the S2000 or ITR, vtec can have a crazy switchover. and toyota can make a vvtl-i engine with a grandma switchover if they so desired.

SO...say 2ZZ vs. B18 vs. H22 vs. B16 or something. because VTEC vs. VVTL-i is a whole 'nother argument.