Everyone who owns Celica, look at this sh@t [Archive]

J.C.

07-25-2002, 11:37 AM

That's F U N N Y ....!!! Would he dare say those things with a professional race car driver on a track such as JOHN HOTCHKIS with both cars going head to head...? Stock even...!! Probably not... "unlike the Celica that just looks fast"..... Yeah, say that a couple of times while your trying to hang on to your ASS going around a race track with John Hotchkis full bore in a stock (motor) Celica with our suspension set up...!!! I'll bet he'll post a retraction right after he changed his SH*T STAINED SHORTS...!

J.C.

07-25-2002, 11:43 AM

I will say this though.... The Tiburon did do very well in our initial testing about 6 months ago... But who knows what it will do until we get in there and start tinkering with it.... Only then will we know the tru characteristics of the car on the street or track... But to say those things about the Celica, knowing what mods are out there, plus the latest August issue of SCC "Celica Bash" is just plain LUDICROUS...!

WillyK

07-25-2002, 11:44 AM

They're just jealous

teknophreak

07-25-2002, 03:20 PM

okey... childish stuff.... hmm, I think I know what I'm talking about. 2 of my good friends own GT-S celicas, and one of them actually owns TRD test vehichle, the first celica to recieve their suspention upgrade, and his dad works for TRD.

Man, there must be about 1000 "original, first ever in the history of the world TRD part installation test vehicles" out there if you try and believe all the stuff you read in various places. And everyone has a friend, cousin, dad or other unnamed source who "works for TRD".

RUSHIIII

07-25-2002, 11:08 PM

Yeah my fathers, brothers, cousins former roomate use to work for TRD......hehe, what crap, man they dont even have an aftermarket yet and theyre already talking sh!t. This should be fun for the Celica to put down and prove itself once again.

Laters
Chris

J2KGTS6

07-25-2002, 11:44 PM

hahaha that **** is stupid!!! In the 8 great rides issue they tested the 02' Celica with the lower rev limiter and even commented on the fact that that was a downfall for that year. Needless to say you put equal drivers in a completely stock V6 Tiburon and in a stock Celica GTS 6pseed from 00-01' and i'll put my money on the Celica. Its advantage is its weight. Put them on a road course and I can gaurantee the Celica will leave the Tiburon in the dust. Article after article has complimented on the handling abilities of the Celica on top of the recent issue that tested 4 Celica's on a road course. Overall the Celica is a better performance car then the Tiburon, that explains the price difference. If those people over at the Tiburon boards want to bash the Celica, let them.. they'll feel stupid when they actually pull up to a Celica and lose.

ishido

07-25-2002, 11:49 PM

Numbers don't mean anything unless you can pull them off yourself :)

t2000gts

07-26-2002, 06:30 AM

i think it's time some of you guys invited the new tiburon guys for a few 'friendly' runs to give them the proper perspective on the celicas, sort of like what was done with ClubRSX (and now everyone over there will never cease to tell you how it's a driver's race and the cars are evenly matched).

Golfzilla

07-26-2002, 07:46 AM

What was done at the clubrsx.com? Do you have a link?

yakkosmurf

07-26-2002, 10:06 AM

It just shows that the new Tib can keep with and beat the Celica. It's a pretty close race.

Golfzilla

07-26-2002, 10:10 AM

Damn! I did not know they are that fast... Maybe the GT-S were the 2002 models that were racing the Tib.

Brett

07-26-2002, 10:17 AM

Just curious, what supports your claim yakkosmurf?

Oh, and I did do a friendly race with one of the newtiburon.com gals. It went good, and she was nice, though it was an automatic V6, so it wasnt much of a race.

baNanA_ryCe

07-26-2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by ishido
Numbers don't mean anything unless you can pull them off yourself :)

:werd:

J3adSeed

07-26-2002, 10:51 AM

their cars are cheap because they're HYUNDAI's! please. the inside of them is so freakin cheap. and the resale is probably the worst of any maker. reliablity can't even come CLOSE to toyota. thats why things cost different.

yakkosmurf

07-26-2002, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Brett
Just curious, what supports your claim yakkosmurf?

Oh, and I did do a friendly race with one of the newtiburon.com gals. It went good, and she was nice, though it was an automatic V6, so it wasnt much of a race.
Just looking at the spectrum of times for the two cars. There's a lot of overlap. The GTS does have some faster times, but there are a lot that are the same. Advantage GTS, but not a clear win everytime.

nyoneway

07-26-2002, 11:42 AM

Actually Hyundai come with 100,000 mile warranty. A-lot better than the 36,000 miles that come with the Celi.

yakkosmurf

07-26-2002, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by nyoneway
Actually Hyundai come with 100,000 mile warranty. A-lot better than the 36,000 miles that come with the Celi.
Except that it's not transferable. Fine for the original owner, but no one else.

Griffin

07-26-2002, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by nyoneway
Actually Hyundai come with 100,000 mile warranty. A-lot better than the 36,000 miles that come with the Celi.

thats a 100K powertrain warranty. Celicas powertrain warranty is 60K not 36K. And the REASON they HAD to make that warranty was because no-one was willing to inverst any kind of money in a hyundai otherwise because of their past reliability issues. Its all relative. I'll say this tho - if one of those Tiburons get misshifted what do YOU think the odds are that Hyundai is gonna fork over a new engine for "goodwill"?

Griffin

xi KiNG ix

07-26-2002, 02:14 PM

:rofl: hyndai owns u

t2000gts

07-26-2002, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Golfzilla
What was done at the clubrsx.com? Do you have a link?

TRD Liquid Silver and i think someone else set up a race with some cool people from over there, and the wins were mostly split evenly. basically whoever messed up lost, so it did show that it's a real driver's race, the cars are very close in straight line performance, despite what mags say (i guess the only thing the mags ended up showing is that it's harder for them to launch the GTS which has less torque in weird places than the smoother powerband Type S).

if you search their forum, you might be able to find the original posts.

also i think guys like mirconrice and EzRidA ('02 GTS) posting videos of races where they handily beat average-driven Type S(s) or Type Rs with just I/E helped.

t2000gts

07-26-2002, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Just looking at the spectrum of times for the two cars. There's a lot of overlap. The GTS does have some faster times, but there are a lot that are the same. Advantage GTS, but not a clear win everytime.

spectrum of what times? if you mean mag times, you're probably right.

i didn't realize any of those guys already had real timeslips from tracks. i've been looking forward to getting more info on that.

yakkosmurf

07-27-2002, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by t2000gts

spectrum of what times? if you mean mag times, you're probably right.

i didn't realize any of those guys already had real timeslips from tracks. i've been looking forward to getting more info on that.
I get zero car magazines, so you won't find me quoting many magazine times unless someone asks me to look them up. I was referring to what some of the real world times being posted for both cars were. The Tiburon average is a few tenths higher than the GTS, but if you look at the range of most of the times, there's a good deal of overlap. I was surprised myself. I haven't driven the new Tiburon, so I won't comment on that. But I wasn't very impressed with the interior or comfort level when I sat in one at the auto show.

po9i

07-28-2002, 02:51 AM

hyundai is a sh!tty name...we win....our car is better quality also

RedNOSceli

07-28-2002, 05:25 AM

I like tibs, i hate ignorant a-holes like that

t2000gts

07-28-2002, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

I get zero car magazines, so you won't find me quoting many magazine times unless someone asks me to look them up. I was referring to what some of the real world times being posted for both cars were. The Tiburon average is a few tenths higher than the GTS, but if you look at the range of most of the times, there's a good deal of overlap. I was surprised myself. I haven't driven the new Tiburon, so I won't comment on that. But I wasn't very impressed with the interior or comfort level when I sat in one at the auto show.

what times though? last time i checked, nobody on the tiburon forums had any real timeslips for the manual GT V6 model. do you have a link?

Brett

07-28-2002, 11:26 AM

I checked there board and a guy got a best of 15.6 with like intake and exhaust. I personally think the GTS beats it out in just about every performance aspect. But hey thats just my opinion, the Tiburon is still a worthy contender, and looks good too.

t2000gts

07-28-2002, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Brett
I checked there board and a guy got a best of 15.6 with like intake and exhaust. I personally think the GTS beats it out in just about every performance aspect. But hey thats just my opinion, the Tiburon is still a worthy contender, and looks good too.

that's cool. i wonder how yakko made the connection between 1 guy hitting 15.6 with I/E and a ton of people hitting mid-high 14s or better with I/E.

even the mags got almost as good times out of the toyota matrix (15.7) :chuckles:

Tibfighter

07-28-2002, 10:55 PM

Gssshhhh.... again... you guys read way to much into what people are saying on other boards. I'm an admin and co-founder of NewTiburon.com.... for the most part, the people on that board understand that while they are in the same class as the RSX/Celica, their cars still lag behind in many categories. To think that a Tiburon 6spd V6 could consistently beat a Celica GT-S at the 1/4 mile is absurd. Forget for a minute that the Tibby has a 40lb. ft. more torque, it weighs 500lbs. more.... that's the killer right there. BYE BYE Tibby...... but again, everybody on this board and on NewTiburon is in the tuning game, they aren't here to talk about their experience driving their stock car to get Pepsi and Dohnuts... so stock numbers just don't mean that much in the longrun. The 7th gen Celica is a top notch sport compact car and deserving of all of the accolades it receives. The 2k3 Tiburon is Hyundai's first attempt at building a well-rounded sport compact car... and in that, they've done an exceptional job in most every aspect.

If people on NewTiburon get to cocky, I'm the first person to put them in their place.... don't let the idiotic opinions of a few reflect on an entire community. That's a rediculous and unfair thing to do.

BTW, I don't find the 2k3 Tiburon interior that cheap. You want a cheap interior, go sit in a Sunfire.

Griffin

07-28-2002, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Tibfighter
Gssshhhh.... again... you guys read way to much into what people are saying on other boards. I'm an admin and co-founder of NewTiburon.com.... for the most part, the people on that board understand that while they are in the same class as the RSX/Celica, their cars still lag behind in many categories. To think that a Tiburon 6spd V6 could consistently beat a Celica GT-S at the 1/4 mile is absurd. Forget for a minute that the Tibby has a 40lb. ft. more torque, it weighs 500lbs. more.... that's the killer right there. BYE BYE Tibby...... but again, everybody on this board and on NewTiburon is in the tuning game, they aren't here to talk about their experience driving their stock car to get Pepsi and Dohnuts... so stock numbers just don't mean that much in the longrun. The 7th gen Celica is a top notch sport compact car and deserving of all of the accolades it receives. The 2k3 Tiburon is Hyundai's first attempt at building a well-rounded sport compact car... and in that, they've done an exceptional job in most every aspect.

If people on NewTiburon get to cocky, I'm the first person to put them in their place.... don't let the idiotic opinions of a few reflect on an entire community. That's a rediculous and unfair thing to do.

BTW, I don't find the 2k3 Tiburon interior that cheap. You want a cheap interior, go sit in a Sunfire.

I gotta agree - for a first all-out attempt they did a pretty good job. Plus the Tib looks cool. If they continue this trend the next Gen will probably be pretty damn close to giving Toyota and Honda a run for their money on a stock to stock basis.

Griffin

Tibfighter

07-29-2002, 12:35 AM

Exactly man... new entries like the 2k3 Tiburon do nothing but give established companies like Toyota extra incentive to build innovative and fresh new sport compacts (rather than resting on their lauryls they'll strive to better their own offerings to keep an edge on the competition)....

yakkosmurf

07-29-2002, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by t2000gts

that's cool. i wonder how yakko made the connection between 1 guy hitting 15.6 with I/E and a ton of people hitting mid-high 14s or better with I/E.

even the mags got almost as good times out of the toyota matrix (15.7) :chuckles:
Point out where I said anything about a Tib running mid to low 14s. Hell, only a handful of Celicas can do that! The Tib owners I was conversing with on Clubrsx were saying they are running mid to high 15s in stock trim. Most 6-speeds GTS's run low to mid 15s in stock trim. The overlap is what I was talking about. The GTS advantage is less than 0.5 sec with average drivers. That's all I was saying.

t2000gts

07-29-2002, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Point out where I said anything about a Tib running mid to low 14s. Hell, only a handful of Celicas can do that! The Tib owners I was conversing with on Clubrsx were saying they are running mid to high 15s in stock trim. Most 6-speeds GTS's run low to mid 15s in stock trim. The overlap is what I was talking about. The GTS advantage is less than 0.5 sec with average drivers. That's all I was saying.

ok cool, now i understand.

but those tib owners are probably lying. few if any of them have even been to the track and posted timeslips. a lot that do end up being 16+ (even with V6 and manual). although i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and time to learn how to properly drag race their cars.

the only mid-high 15 second times other than 1 or 2 people on that board, are from the magazines.

the same thing has been happening on my toyota matrix/pontiac vibe site (www.matrixvibe.net), only seen 16+ timeslips so far because these guys are new to these kinds of cars and can't launch or shift properly yet. although i know it can run 15s, i've ridden in one with I/H/E, and it definitely does have the power, and said friend can actually drive it right (used to own a celica). plus the mags did it too.

yakkosmurf

07-29-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by t2000gts

the same thing has been happening on my toyota matrix/pontiac vibe site (www.matrixvibe.net), only seen 16+ timeslips so far because these guys are new to these kinds of cars and can't launch or shift properly yet. although i know it can run 15s, i've ridden in one with I/H/E, and it definitely does have the power, and said friend can actually drive it right (used to own a celica). plus the mags did it too.
I don't really buy that argument. These guys probably have more miles on their Matrices than I ever did on my Type R when I took it to the track. I'd never driven a Teg before I bought mine. Yes, practice can help, but I think you have to be a piss poor driver if you can't run good times after 2k miles or so. I was even daily driving an MR2 at the time, so I was constantly going back and forth.

sammythebull

07-29-2002, 11:03 AM

yo...i've beat 3 v6 tiburon's on the street...they took me at the line..not by much...thats cause of the v6 im guessing..but after that... vvtli kck came ino tthe equastion and went right by at the top end of 2nd gear... bottom line 6 cylinders = extra weight
GTS all the way!!

Hungster

07-29-2002, 05:52 PM

First of all a tiburon might be a tad faster on a 1/4 mile, but the celicas werent built for drag idiot. They were built for autocross. That means turns and stuff. If you take a tiburon to a track against a celica. The celica would smash around turns and smoke your tiburon. On top of it look at what brand you are buying its a freakin Hyundai. I told my parents when i bought a new car that i dont want a DAEWOO, KIA, or a freakin HYUNDAI. they are all in the same category in cars...

ConceptVBS

07-29-2002, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Hungster
First of all a tiburon might be a tad faster on a 1/4 mile, but the celicas werent built for drag idiot. They were built for autocross. That means turns and stuff. If you take a tiburon to a track against a celica. The celica would smash around turns and smoke your tiburon. On top of it look at what brand you are buying its a freakin Hyundai. I told my parents when i bought a new car that i dont want a DAEWOO, KIA, or a freakin HYUNDAI. they are all in the same category in cars...

You'd be surprised.

Tibfighter

07-29-2002, 10:31 PM

Ignorant posters like the person above make the whole Celica community look bad. Hyundai is not Kia or Daewoo, just like Hyundai is not Toyota. I'v said it before, the new Tiburon is not a Celica, but it is closer than most people like to think... especially on the track where it gets the oppurtunity to put it's big brakes and gobs of torque to use.