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Maelfyn
08-01-2002, 08:12 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid27/pd7e7932d5727924a2786aef509d4ff23/fd750431.jpg
:AF: :ugh:
Camry2000
08-01-2002, 08:15 PM
Owned3D!
kocheroni
08-01-2002, 08:19 PM
nice, gt is such a sturdy car.
How can you misshift a GT!!???!!! the gates ARE VERY VERY far appart! I guess though that **** happens sometimes and you did luck out on the shift. I still would check everything out though.
;)
FriedRice
08-01-2002, 08:58 PM
just when u think maelfyn has done it all in his car...:gap:
t2000gts
08-01-2002, 09:05 PM
the GTS would survive 8900rpm too.
it's just those 11,000 and 12,000rpm misshifts you gotta worry about :D
dx3162
08-01-2002, 09:32 PM
t2000, gts might survive 9k, but i dont think my misshift went any higher then that (my tach didnt bury) and mine is ****ed up....
t2000gts
08-01-2002, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by dx3162
t2000, gts might survive 9k, but i dont think my misshift went any higher then that (my tach didnt bury) and mine is ****ed up....
i dunno, even 9500 might be too much for the oil pump or valves depending on how fast it revved up and stuff. just cuz the tach didn't bury doesn't mean it stopped at 9000...maybe 9000 is safe and 9200 isn't, who knows. i'm just 90% sure a GTS can survive a rev to 9000 or 8959 in this case without ill effect.
good luck getting yours fixed.
DaksGT
08-01-2002, 10:22 PM
Yup my baby has been over 8 as well not that high but over 8, how did you get ther pic?
Maelfyn
08-01-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by DaksGT
Yup my baby has been over 8 as well not that high but over 8, how did you get ther pic?
With an S-AFC you just hold the up button and it shows all maximum values for each field.
Maelfyn
08-01-2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by t2000gts
i dunno, even 9500 might be too much for the oil pump or valves depending on how fast it revved up and stuff. just cuz the tach didn't bury doesn't mean it stopped at 9000...maybe 9000 is safe and 9200 isn't, who knows. i'm just 90% sure a GTS can survive a rev to 9000 or 8959 in this case without ill effect.
good luck getting yours fixed.
Okay, I think you guys are missing the point. My point is not "Hey look a 1ZZ went to 9k and didn't break, I bet your 2ZZ can't do that!". My point is my engine went to an RPM 22% higher than it was designed to do and it didn't even flinch. To do the same on a 2ZZ we are talking about roughly 10,248 rpms. 9,000 rpms on a GT is much worse than 9,000 rpms on a GT-S.
Comparing 9,000 rpms on a 1ZZ to 9,000 rpms on a 2ZZ is apples and oranges.
MSR27
08-01-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by BRAK
How can you misshift a GT!!???!!! the gates ARE VERY VERY far appart! I guess though that **** happens sometimes and you did luck out on the shift. I still would check everything out though.
;)
You can mis shift in a GT, trust me. I mis shifted my GT and blew my engine.
HilfigerCelica
08-01-2002, 11:58 PM
Z6joker9 misshifted in his GT.
xi KiNG ix
08-02-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by HilfigerCelica
Z6joker9 misshifted in his GT. actually i remember him saying a friend did
CelicaNamja79
08-02-2002, 10:13 AM
I misshifted a lot in my GT cuz this is my first stick car.... no damages whatsoever... i remember my tach buried and my engine is still strong.... I've check my valves while I was gettin some warranty work done and the dealer said my valves were fine.
I guess I am somewhat lucky...
Brett
08-02-2002, 11:53 AM
Didnt you already have you engine replaced once Maelfyn?
Baldhead_J
08-02-2002, 11:56 AM
Joe was soo excited when he did that he pulled me from Bills house to show me the SAFC reading. Good going Joe!
REdGsR94
08-02-2002, 12:29 PM
My car survived over 9000 rpm misshift.. acually went so far i didnt even know what rpm it was averaging. gauges show up to 9000 and it past that. My car is still living with over 144k miles. :D
HilfigerCelica
08-02-2002, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by xi KiNG ix
actually i remember him saying a friend did
That's right.
RunCelica
08-02-2002, 01:23 PM
When I first drove home when I bought the car I had 2 huge misshifts where the tach went up to 9000 and no problems at all. I was so pissed though cuz I thought I was gonna destroy my car.
Maelfyn
08-02-2002, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Didnt you already have you engine replaced once Maelfyn?
They replaced my block once because it caused some damage when their service tech forgot to put oil in the car. Not a misshift issue.
The Game
08-02-2002, 02:34 PM
Thats impressive Maef, I misshifted my GT to 8100RPMs and its still going strong!!!! The 1ZZ ownz the 2ZZ :chuckles:
Brett
08-02-2002, 05:51 PM
Ahhh I see
MSR27
08-02-2002, 05:51 PM
When I mishshifted my car, the tech at Toyota said I was probably about 13,000rpm. Too bad I didnt have an AFC then....
heltor2
08-02-2002, 06:51 PM
The GT-S won't survive much. The slightest overrev and your engine is making tapping noises from bent valves. It's ridiculous how fragile the 2ZZ-GE is. I really like the body and the acceleration of the car, but the engine integrity is not there. After a while variable lift stops kicking in and you have to have bolts in the engine replaced! What is up with that? The reason the GT survives is that it does not have variable lift. Toyota is just not on par with Honda when it comes to high-revving engines, variable lift and reliability. And I used to hate Hondas!
The Celica GT-S engine wins my award for engine most likely to break under stress.
Heltor
ArchangelX
08-02-2002, 06:59 PM
Wha?
My car is a 99' September built 00 Celi GT-S, and I scare the freak outta of men, women, and children when I hit lift in the wild and dirty streets of Tacoma!!!
:gap:
But seriously..umm..my lift is DEFINETLY working still.
I hit lift EVERY single time I'm in the car...heh. Do you own a Celica? Cuz you don't sound like it....
I don't think ANY car when it's overrevved to 13,000 rpms will survive, either....Honda or Toyota.
EDIT: Looks like you do own a Celi, my bad, my bad.
heltor2
08-02-2002, 07:24 PM
Hey ArchangelX
Do you have the shifter springs installed on your shifter or do you have the original stick? And how many miles do you have on it?
My lift stopped kicking in consistently at around 41000 miles. I did have the engine replaced at 3 thousand miles though.
Heltor
4PASNU
08-02-2002, 11:29 PM
Well, I accidently mis-shifted last saturday. It happened the same way it did 2 years agao when I floated the valves, just spirited driving. This time I caoght it. When I got home I did a compress check and oil presure check. After everything checked ok I looked at the rpms on afc and rsm. It showed 9410. All I saw was dollar signs and my wife a gun pointed at me and my toy. We are building our first house and I still wonder what would have happened if I didn't catch it. The gods were with me that day. So it is safe to say that MY 2zz handled a 9410 mis-shift. I'm still shaken by the experience.
Dan
I believe that the 2zz is capable of handling 9000 rpm's for a while..... obviously the stress would break the engine eventually but I think it's capable.... I think the 2zz is built strong but obviously not as strong as some of toyota's motors of the past.
t2000gts
08-03-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Maelfyn
Okay, I think you guys are missing the point. My point is not "Hey look a 1ZZ went to 9k and didn't break, I bet your 2ZZ can't do that!". My point is my engine went to an RPM 22% higher than it was designed to do and it didn't even flinch. To do the same on a 2ZZ we are talking about roughly 10,248 rpms. 9,000 rpms on a GT is much worse than 9,000 rpms on a GT-S.
Comparing 9,000 rpms on a 1ZZ to 9,000 rpms on a 2ZZ is apples and oranges.
comparing apples to oranges would be 1.8L i4 to 5L v8...2ZZ to 1ZZ is apples to apples. albeit an apple with fancy oil cooling, different cams, a mmc bore, and the rest of the engine parts varied slightly to account for the high rpm stuff. :)
you might have a point. maybe the 2ZZ can stand 10,000rpm. we'll never know. the oil pump can definitely not last that long. all i know is, the valves and oil pump go before anything else. and that's over 9000rpm.
chameleon
08-03-2002, 09:45 PM
Maelfyn, don't assume that becuase your car is running fine right now that no damage was done from that near 9,000 rpm misshift.
inline4
08-04-2002, 04:28 AM
Your car will be fine Maelfyn... I too have mishifted my GT about a year ago and have just done a compression check about a month ago. Average of 175-178 psi on all 4.
larryd
08-04-2002, 04:40 AM
learn how to drive pansie :)
Keyshawn
08-04-2002, 09:14 AM
I guess nobody can say that " the ONLY people that misshift are people that can't drive" anymore.
ringthree
08-04-2002, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by heltor2
The GT-S won't survive much. The slightest overrev and your engine is making tapping noises from bent valves. It's ridiculous how fragile the 2ZZ-GE is. I really like the body and the acceleration of the car, but the engine integrity is not there. After a while variable lift stops kicking in and you have to have bolts in the engine replaced! What is up with that? The reason the GT survives is that it does not have variable lift. Toyota is just not on par with Honda when it comes to high-revving engines, variable lift and reliability. And I used to hate Hondas!
The Celica GT-S engine wins my award for engine most likely to break under stress.
Heltor
Haha, ask Kaioshin how strong the 2ZZ is. He has 80,000 in less than two years and hits lift every second.
The slightest overrev implies that you may have misshifted. It maybe time to look in the mirror to find the culprit for the engine damage there, buddy.
Haha, You think that the RSX's aren't misshifting? HAHAHA, and Honda isn't covering them either.
heltor2
08-04-2002, 11:30 AM
I went to the Acura dealer, sat in a brand new RSX Type S 6 speed and played with the shifter. A shift from 3rd to 2nd does not feel in any way like a shift to 4th. With the 2000 Celica's original shifter you could pull from 3rd to second without having to move down and then over, you could just do one straight motion into 2nd. That is where the problem lied with that.
Did Acura update their shifter also? If that's true then I can understand the mis-shifts in the earlier models. I was looking at a new one on the showroom floor and you have to move down and then over to get to 2nd gear from 3rd.
And what I'm saying about engine strength is that the Celica GT-S does not handle a mis-shift followed by an overrev well compared to other cars. 94gsr on this site said he overrevved his car and had no problems. You've heard right here that the GT seems to survive overrevs. I don't know what is causing the misshifting on GSRs and GTs as I haven't had any experience with their shifters but when they are misshifted for whatever reason they seem to survive. I haven't heard many stories about the GT-S surviving besides the one on this thread which seems to be more of an exception rather than the rule. I don't know about the RSX and how strong it's engine is, but I do know that the Celica GT-S engine cannot handle much of anything out of the ordinary without breaking.
Heltor
t2000gts
08-04-2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by heltor2
I went to the Acura dealer, sat in a brand new RSX Type S 6 speed and played with the shifter. A shift from 3rd to 2nd does not feel in any way like a shift to 4th. With the 2000 Celica's original shifter you could pull from 3rd to second without having to move down and then over, you could just do one straight motion into 2nd. That is where the problem lied with that.
Did Acura update their shifter also? If that's true then I can understand the mis-shifts in the earlier models. I was looking at a new one on the showroom floor and you have to move down and then over to get to 2nd gear from 3rd.
And what I'm saying about engine strength is that the Celica GT-S does not handle a mis-shift followed by an overrev well compared to other cars. 94gsr on this site said he overrevved his car and had no problems. You've heard right here that the GT seems to survive overrevs. I don't know what is causing the misshifting on GSRs and GTs as I haven't had any experience with their shifters but when they are misshifted for whatever reason they seem to survive. I haven't heard many stories about the GT-S surviving besides the one on this thread which seems to be more of an exception rather than the rule. I don't know about the RSX and how strong it's engine is, but I do know that the Celica GT-S engine cannot handle much of anything out of the ordinary without breaking.
Heltor
let me make it simple for you. in both Acura RSX Type S, and Celica GT-S, misshifts 90% of the time are from 3 to 2nd...at redline (in a rush, and miss 4th) or a downshift from 5 or 6 to 2 (miss 4th again)...
...what happens is the transmission forces the engine to spin to upwards of 11,000-12,000rpm.
got that?
yeah. that will break your engine. it does on the rsx, and it does on the S2000, and it does on the celica.
a 9000rpm misshift will probably not break anything, you might have some slightly bent valves, or @#$%ed up oil system at most. but you never hear about 9000rpm misshifts, because that almost rarely happens. it probably happens when they do a normal misshift, but put the clutch back in. and of all the posts i've read where this has happened, the majority reported no problems afterwards.
the GSR, Si, etc. do not misshift as hard as these newer cars do, if at all. when they do, it's one of those slight 9000rpm misshifts.
RiCeY GtS
08-04-2002, 08:13 PM
hmm.. i learned stick on my gt-s.. havent misshifted yet.. then agian.. ive only had my car for 4 months.
on a sidenote, wut about domestic cars... if they go to 8k will they blow their engine? since the rpm is so low..
heltor2
08-05-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by t2000gts
let me make it simple for you. in both Acura RSX Type S, and Celica GT-S, misshifts 90% of the time are from 3 to 2nd...at redline (in a rush, and miss 4th) or a downshift from 5 or 6 to 2 (miss 4th again)...
...what happens is the transmission forces the engine to spin to upwards of 11,000-12,000rpm.
got that?
yeah. that will break your engine. it does on the rsx, and it does on the S2000, and it does on the celica.
a 9000rpm misshift will probably not break anything, you might have some slightly bent valves, or @#$%ed up oil system at most. but you never hear about 9000rpm misshifts, because that almost rarely happens. it probably happens when they do a normal misshift, but put the clutch back in. and of all the posts i've read where this has happened, the majority reported no problems afterwards.
the GSR, Si, etc. do not misshift as hard as these newer cars do, if at all. when they do, it's one of those slight 9000rpm misshifts.
I'd like to start off by thanking you for that press-stopping info on how a mis-shift causes an overrev.
I'll admit, that I don't know much about what it takes for the engine to break in the RSX and S2000. I never said that they had strong or well-designed engines.
What I do know is that there is no reason to mis-shift an RSX while the GT-S had known problems with the shifter. Like I said you could pull straight to 2nd from 3rd gear without moving down then left, then down. You could simply pull straight into 2nd.
To correct this problem shifter springs were released for installation as a TSB for 2000 models, factory installation for 2001, and the transmission and shifter were redesigned for 2002.
There was a joke on the boards when the 2000 Celica GT-S 6 speed first came out:
The question is not "Will I mis-shift?", but "When will I mis-shift?"
Toyota's "Goodwill" policy on replacing the engines is simply a thinly disguised recall that allows them to blame the problem on the consumer and at the same time avoid a class-action suit while coming up with a solution for the poorly designed shifter.
Heltor
oo_snoopy
08-05-2002, 09:35 PM
I've never misshifted not even once. :)
Maelfyn
08-06-2002, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by Keyshawn
I guess nobody can say that " the ONLY people that misshift are people that can't drive" anymore.
Shifting accurate and shifting fast... two different things :p hehe
heltor2
08-06-2002, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by oo_snoopy
I've never misshifted not even once. :)
You have an automatic.
Heltor
DJChad03
08-06-2002, 11:55 AM
Joe is my idol
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